Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

AllforMJ, I can't wait to see what you're going to do with the list!
Still working on it. I keep coming up with different things because he's feeling different things. I've been typing out what's coming to me until it stops so I can narrow it down. He's been through a lot...peaks and valleys.

by the way, allformj, you know you have TWO assignments, right? one is already faaaar overdue! you started a story, left everyone hangin', and you really should finish it...along with what was in that list! i'm interested in seeing both. i know, time is precious, and family comes first. but you have homework to do!
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This is a DOOZY of an assignment, MimiK! MJ is a very deep person and diving into this long list of songs is like trying to swim the Pacific Ocean! But, I'm still swimming. I haven't stopped yet. LOL

Oh, and I know the story has to be completed. Sorry for the delay, peeps. If that limo door never closed in real life and had stayed open as long as it has from me getting caught up in so many other things, MJ never would have made "Thriller" because he would be sitting in a parking lot!
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Well, back to the assignment! I'll come up for air when I can! LOL
 
Again anything in life is possible...but...in this instance...No in my opinion this is not an imaginary woman...

:angel:

I don't think he would EVER use the real name of a woman in a song. I'm pretty much shure that Susie is a synonym. Inspired by a real girl, but still a fictive person that he uses to illustrate a girl in these specific songs.

Untill someone can make a good statement against this, I'm not gonna change my mind about it! :p
 
No? So you believe that "Susie" really existed? "Susie" is a pseudonym? Hmmmmmm But in reality we can not know what is true, we have some assumptions that create and imagine that it has been that way, we can not know as was the case with Michael to create this music. We do not know where or what he thought and where was your inspiration to create. Only Michael knows. Will always be a mystery to us. Michael mysterious man... :wub:​

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Question: No? So you believe that "Susie" really existed? "Susie" is a pseudonym?

Answer: Yes, Susie really DOES EXIST and is NOT a pseudonym...

Question: Hmmmmmm But in reality we can not know what is true, we have some assumptions that create and imagine that it has been that way, we can not know as was the case with Michael to create this music. We do not know where or what he thought and where was your inspiration to create.

Answer: Are you sure about that? How can you be so sure?

Comment: Mr.Jackson is not as complecated as everyone seems to think he is. Just like the rest of us he is a "real" human being that is not perfect, has thoughts, feelings, and falls in love...so why wouldn't he sing about a "REAL" person named Susie..?

:angel:Heal The World~~~

:angel:Smiles~~~
 
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Question: No? So you believe that "Susie" really existed? "Susie" is a pseudonym?

Answer: Yes, Susie really DOES EXIST and is NOT a pseudonym...

Question: Hmmmmmm But in reality we can not know what is true, we have some assumptions that create and imagine that it has been that way, we can not know as was the case with Michael to create this music. We do not know where or what he thought and where was your inspiration to create.

Answer: Are you sure about that? How can you be so sure?

Comment: Mr.Jackson is not as complecated as everyone seems to think he is. Just like the rest of us he is a "real" human being that is not perfect, has thoughts, feelings, and falls in love...so why wouldn't he sing about a "REAL" person named Susie..?

:angel:Heal The World~~~

:angel:Smiles~~~

Well how can YOU be so shure!??
It could be a really bad behavior towards this girl if he just used her name in a song. The only person i would name in my songs are my mom and dad (named as mom and dad) and the man that I marry, and that only if the world knew about him.

Ofcourse Michael is a real human being. I would'nt adore he's character so much if he was flawless!
 
Well how can YOU be so shure!??
It could be a really bad behavior towards this girl if he just used her name in a song. The only person i would name in my songs are my mom and dad (named as mom and dad) and the man that I marry, and that only if the world knew about him.

Ofcourse Michael is a real human being. I would'nt adore he's character so much if he was flawless!

When one has been a great admirer, helped out for decades, being involved/work in the music industry...you tend to learn about things...

With no disrespect intended, Not everyone would choose to do what you would do about compositions.

Not all people think Mr.Jackson is a real human being that has flaws, they think of him as some sort of super human that is always perfect...

:angel:Heal The World
 
I'm sorry if I dug up a can of worms with that question and my opinion.
 
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I'm sorry if I dug up a can of worms with that question and my opinion.

What question? and what opinion?

If you are refering to Susie Question (s) I really wouldn't sweat the small stuff...

The truth of my intergrity all these years stand (s) all on its own...

:angel:Heal The World~~~
 
I should probably also clarify that one post that no one seemed to notice..lol. I do not think that Michael Jackson is any less or more human than anyone else. I think that he is a person with a calling. But I think we probably all have a calling from God, but they are as unique as we all are. I think his calling is something on a larger scale than most, to reach more people. That doesn't say that he is more special or he is a superhuman or a god or an angel, it just says that I think God chose him for a specific purpose that is probably (what many people would consider) on a grander scale than the average calling. To reach more people. Or why would he be in the position he is in. He has already done so much and reached so many.


Susie I know what you are thinking regarding it all, and who am I to say you are right about it or wrong. It is possible and I suppose you would know more about it than I do. I hope that you are alright about whatever the truth is. Do you see yourself in those songs, or was it a stretch to see? You don't have to answer that... but if you want to you can.

edit: Yes I meant asking you about the Susie songs and also sharing what I thought about it.
 
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When one has been a great admirer, helped out for decades, being involved/work in the music industry...you tend to learn about things...

With no disrespect intended, Not everyone would choose to do what you would do about compositions.

Not all people think Mr.Jackson is a real human being that has flaws, they think of him as some sort of super human that is always perfect...

:angel:Heal The World

You know, it's sad that everyone is not like me because I'm really intelligent and cool and I know a lot about psycology! And my heart is filled with love and acceptence really..

Almost as perfect and flawless as Michael Jackson!!

I have a big flaw though - I tend to be ironic a lot..

:zombie:

But anyway shall we move back to the topic of this thread folks?
 
I should probably also clarify that one post that no one seemed to notice..lol. I do not think that Michael Jackson is any less or more human than anyone else. I think that he is a person with a calling. But I think we probably all have a calling from God, but they are as unique as we all are. I think his calling is something on a larger scale than most, to reach more people. That doesn't say that he is more special or he is a superhuman or a god or an angel, it just says that I think God chose him for a specific purpose that is probably (what many people would consider) on a grander scale than the average calling. To reach more people. Or why would he be in the position he is in. He has already done so much and reached so many.


Susie I know what you are thinking regarding it all, and who am I to say you are right about it or wrong. It is possible and I suppose you would know more about it than I do. I hope that you are alright about whatever the truth is. Do you see yourself in those songs, or was it a stretch to see? You don't have to answer that... but if you want to you can.

edit: Yes I meant asking you about the Susie songs and also sharing what I thought about it.

I am absolutely, positively, and totally comfortable with who and what I, WE are all about...

:angel:psalm 37
 
You know, it's sad that everyone is not like me because I'm really intelligent and cool and I know a lot about psycology! And my heart is filled with love and acceptence really..

Almost as perfect and flawless as Michael Jackson!!

I have a big flaw though - I tend to be ironic a lot..

:zombie:

But anyway shall we move back to the topic of this thread folks?
lol you silly. Yes it is a shame that everyone is not like you ;)

Susie would you like to share what you are all about? Sorry if I am being forward and blunt. I thought it would be nice to ask you instead of just reading and assuming what you mean.
 
ok shall we make another thread call'ed "sdeidjs = Susie - The explanation" ? Because this thread is about analyzing songs and speculating for fun and this "look at me I'm Susie and I'm perfectly fine about it" attitude is startin to bug me a bit, being in this thread..

and now that everything is so religion fixated - May you find the spirit of god and godess in your heart, and may you recognize them in the life that surrounds you :angel:

sorry if I'm like a sour apple guys ..
 
Hey Ape:

Was the movie you're thinking of Nighmare on Elm Street, a Freddy Kruegger movie?

Hello, I got busy yesterday so I had to leave mid visit here.
Ok that makes total sense! I took it wrong. I thought he meant that he is with God but is far away from God. You've changed my perspective. :) Thank you Poe. wow I like it even more now.

That's what I thought before about maybe he's talking about a pure, God blessed love. About the dreams....I really have no idea. I just know years ago I was curious as to whether that was something that had been studied or known to happen and came across a study done. It was interesting. They were dreams shared by people who knew each other. There was no way to test the possibility of dreams shared by those who had never met. I've always been fascinated by dreams, and since watching some movie on dreams when I was a child, I found it even more fascinating. I wish I could remember the name of the movie but it was about this group of test subjects who were induced into a shared dream and one guy was evil and would kill others in their dreams and then because they died in the dream, they were dead in real life (I think... hard to remember. I think I was probably 5 or so) but since then I would try to have dreams that were shared by someone else and I tried controlling my dreams to an extent as well. So I find dreams very interesting, whether my own or someone elses.
Sure I've fallen or I'd not be here..lol. Fallen for him and his fans.. something about this MJ world is alluring..well..him, the people attracted to him, the music and creativity, the romance like in this thread. It is all really special and he is very special too, and so are so many of the people I have met..special to me. So yes, I am not immune to the charm and magic.


lol ;) you tease you :p See, I even this. I forgot to add some of the things that have that allure and are a part of it... humour and mystery too, and so much else!

I don't think that he or Poe is saying that it is about the children, but was inspired by the children. As someone else said, he sees God in the face of children and that pure innocent joy. When you see the creation of the creator, and it just hits you, it can be so powerful, and I suppose that's how the inspiration came about for this song. He may not have even fully remembered what actually happened just prior to his writing this, or maybe both things did and he was recalling back to how he felt watching the children playing and experiencing that good innocent fun that he could experience vicariously by watching them. It makes sense that it is about God and inspired by God through the moment of seeing His goodness in that moment through those children.

Yes, like this. :)

Oh! you were the one who said it about seeing God in the face of children. Yes I agree. I see the light! lol. I understand now and it makes sense. I used to think I was wrong to think it was about God, because of those two things I mentioned, but I just needed to change my perspective and see the other meaning. LOL MJ loves to do that hey? Say or write things that can be taken more than one way. He doesn't even bother to elaborate to clarify. Just lets us see it how we see it. Probably because depending on how you see something, it says something about the viewer. Well I can't speculate his reasoning for doing that, but it's something I've noticed about him.
 
Wanna come in Random Thoughts threads with me instead and take a break from in here?

Edit: Love.him: No though I had seen that as well. It was before that. Dreamscape maybe? It was really interesting. Actually my description of it does remind me of nightmare on Elm street.. which terrified me. I couldn't watch that one. It gave me nightmares. My brother would always say "it's just a movie, it's not real" but it still scared me.
 
Guess we're starting to see why it is best to avoid the names!
:lol:

Well, going back to my assignment. Thanks, Mimik! This is sooooo complicated, but interesting!
Mike is a very sexy man. Lovin' these lyrics.
:wub:

*taking deep breath before diving back in the MJ ocean"
 
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I appologize for my ilter temper tonight..

Does anyone have an idea if the song "She's out of my life" is something that Michael can really relate to? I think that he did'nt write this song himself but I'm not shure? But if he did'nt then it would be the only song that he did'nt write himself in he's entire carreer right? Either he see's himself in the lyrics or he just find the song so beautifull that he had to rent it? :)
 
You know, it's sad that everyone is not like me because I'm really intelligent and cool and I know a lot about psycology! And my heart is filled with love and acceptence really..

Almost as perfect and flawless as Michael Jackson!!

I have a big flaw though - I tend to be ironic a lot..

:zombie:

But anyway shall we move back to the topic of this thread folks?

Its all good...I whole heartedly agree you are very intelligent...

:angel:
 
lol you silly. Yes it is a shame that everyone is not like you ;)

Susie would you like to share what you are all about? Sorry if I am being forward and blunt. I thought it would be nice to ask you instead of just reading and assuming what you mean.

No need to feel that you are being forward or blunt...

With me...I ask for nothing and expect nothing in return...what you see is what you will always get...I am very proud of who I am, what I have accomplished, and what kind of human being I have become.

I will always be...me just being me~~~

On that note...
All one has to do is go to myspace.com/sdeidjs and you will find everything and anything one would desire to know about me, my family, my friends, and most importantly...who and what I have always been about...!

:angel:Keep Helping to Heal The World~~~
 
First off.. I AM sorry, I don't mean to get so off track here and I'll try to add something about the thread after...
No need to feel that you are being forward or blunt...

With me...I ask for nothing and expect nothing in return...what you see is what you will always get...I am very proud of who I am, what I have accomplished, and what kind of human being I have become.

I will always be...me just being me~~~

On that note...
All one has to do is go to myspace.com/sdeidjs and you will find everything and anything one would desire to know about me, my family, my friends, and most importantly...who and what I have always been about...!

:angel:Keep Helping to Heal The World~~~
ok Thank you. The thing is, I CAN'T see. Online I can only see what people say, not what they do, so I can't see who they are or what they are totally, especially when someone is being vague. This isn't meant to be a dig at all, just honestly I can't tell online what you (or anyone for that matter) has accomplished, who a person is, etc etc. I can only go by what they say, which, if they don't usually say much, it's even more difficult to tell what a person is like or their spirit. I don't care who is who online, I just care about the individual and appreciating what I see from them. Since no one can really tell who is "who" online, it doesn't really matter. Just gotta accept what someone says about themselves with the knowledge that it could be false, but for now since you can't tell, just accept them as they are. ..and really "Who" any of us are, isn't really important is it? What we do and what we are inside is important. What others think of us can be important, but if they have a false belief, you can't worry yourself over it.

I did try to read through some of your things on myspace after we talked that one time in chat Susie, but to be honest, there is just so much there that I couldn't get through it. Lots of it I didn't see what you see. I have not experienced your experiences to know how things are for you though and to see things from your eyes. I am not saying it's not real or true, what you have experienced. I am just saying I can't tell from where I am.

This isn't just about you, but I don't know if I see the point in hinting at things. Saying without saying. Even if it is no ones business but your own and anothers. It's not something anyone has to tell others, but then why hint if you aren't going to tell? It seems like teasing.

Then again, if you don't say something concrete and outright, you can kind of hide behind that. I am not always a fan of vague.
 
I don't think that he or Poe is saying that it is about the children, but was inspired by the children. As someone else said, he sees God in the face of children and that pure innocent joy. When you see the creation of the creator, and it just hits you, it can be so powerful, and I suppose that's how the inspiration came about for this song. He may not have even fully remembered what actually happened just prior to his writing this, or maybe both things did and he was recalling back to how he felt watching the children playing and experiencing that good innocent fun that he could experience vicariously by watching them. It makes sense that it is about God and inspired by God through the moment of seeing His goodness in that moment through those children.

Yes, like this. :)

Oh! you were the one who said it about seeing God in the face of children. Yes I agree. I see the light! lol. I understand now and it makes sense. I used to think I was wrong to think it was about God, because of those two things I mentioned, but I just needed to change my perspective and see the other meaning. LOL MJ loves to do that hey? Say or write things that can be taken more than one way. He doesn't even bother to elaborate to clarify. Just lets us see it how we see it. Probably because depending on how you see something, it says something about the viewer. Well I can't speculate his reasoning for doing that, but it's something I've noticed about him.

I got what Poe and you all meant about the inspiration part...I'm just saying that to ME PERSONALLY...that still "kills" the song. Sorry, I can't help it. Like I said, that's just me. I know a lot of things can inspire loads of things that in the end doesn't even necessarily have to do anything with one's own personal life, feelings or experiences. That's so great about art....it can almost be like a "play" on paper. You know, actors act out emotions....poets or songwriters can sometimes "act out" feelings on paper. Play characters on paper. And no one will ever really know what inspired all those feelings, ideas, etc. because it can often be a lot of things. And that's why songs are so great, because one song can have so many different meanings to so many different people. And Speechless has a meaning to me, which I like to keep. And if I think it has to do with kids...it loses it's meaning to me. I know and understand MJ could have felt totally happy after having watched kids play and that happiness inspired him. But still, getting too much into it would kill the song for me personally. If that makes any sense? :scratch: :lol: But maybe it's because, like I said, I have my own reasons why I love it and why I can relate to the song. May not be what MJ had in mind or intended, but it doesn't matter really, because I think that's what is great about art is that it can be interpreted any way one wants..to inspire, to move you, etc. One can try to guess what the artist intended to say with it....or one can take it as it is and make it about your own life. There is no right or wrong way, in my opinion. :)


Again anything in life is possible...but...in this instance...No in my opinion this is not an imaginary woman...

:angel:

Yeah, he is singing about you! :wild: Everyone, let's face it... Susie is MJ's secret lover! :yes: But what about Sefra and Sue...? They'll be jealous!! :(

Susie is easier to sing and "flows" better in a song than for example Ulrika, Erica, Catherine, Henrietta, Olivia, etc. Just a thought. :agree:

and the beat goes on.....yeah the beat goes on LOL

:lol: :popcorn:
 
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Summer that makes sense, yes. Art is in the eye of the beholder?

Sefra = Safira? Sue = Susie? (ok I need to hush now hey? lol sorry)
 
Summer that makes sense, yes. Art is in the eye of the beholder?

Sefra = Safira? Sue = Susie? (ok I need to hush now hey? lol sorry)

if that is the case then: no.
I was really just irritated before! :)

blablabla ok

ahem shall we now PLEAZzzzzzeaaah return back to the origin topic of this thread?

is it ok if I just repost a previous question that was never answered because of all this idiotic discussion!!

"Does anyone have an idea if the song "She's out of my life" is something that Michael can really relate to? I think that he did'nt write this song himself but I'm not shure? But if he did'nt then it would be the only song that he did'nt write himself in he's entire carreer right? Either he see's himself in the lyrics or he just find the song so beautifull that he had to rent it? "
 
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lol thank you. I should be grounded from this thread and sent to live in Random Threads section, I keep taking it off track.

There are quite a lot of songs that he did not write himself. From what I hear, people think that he won't pick a song written by another unless it has meaning to him or he can relate to it somehow. (please correct me if I am wrong).
 
lol thank you. I should be grounded from this thread and sent to live in Random Threads section, I keep taking it off track.

There are quite a lot of songs that he did not write himself. From what I hear, people think that he won't pick a song written by another unless it has meaning to him or he can relate to it somehow. (please correct me if I am wrong).

:eek: what songs did he not write himself besides she's out of my life?
 
Question: Hmmmmmm But in reality we can not know what is true, we have some assumptions that create and imagine that it has been that way, we can not know as was the case with Michael to create this music. We do not know where or what he thought and where was your inspiration to create.

Answer: Are you sure about that? How can you be so sure?

Comment: Mr.Jackson is not as complecated as everyone seems to think he is. Just like the rest of us he is a "real" human being that is not perfect, has thoughts, feelings, and falls in love...so why wouldn't he sing about a "REAL" person named Susie..?


What I said is a "chance" and I never said "I am sure" about it. And all that is being discussed about who is "Susie" chances are that we do not know what is true about the "Susie", then we can not say anything, only Michael himself. But as you said, "so sure" that Susie actually exists, then you should know...

And I know that Michael is a normal person like any other: it is not perfect... yes, that nobody in this world is perfect and people are made of defects and quality, has flaws and qualities as a human being, has thoughts, he is an incredible and special human being and falls in love.:cheeky:
 
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lol thank you. I should be grounded from this thread and sent to live in Random Threads section, I keep taking it off track.

There are quite a lot of songs that he did not write himself. From what I hear, people think that he won't pick a song written by another unless it has meaning to him or he can relate to it somehow. (please correct me if I am wrong).

you are correct.

and there have been many others. you are not alone by r. kelly is among them. much of off the wall album was written by others, although most of those were collaborations specifically for that purpose. she's out of my life was written by another person but it carried a load of meaning, so it was recorded, used on the album, and has been a great success.

but if a song carries no personal meaning in some way, it is not chosen.

therefore, every song included on an album (and most unreleased material, as well) has personal meaning, whether through own written hand, or someone else's pen. they are not put there by chance. they are very, very carefully selected.

MIMIK
 
btw please do not go off on names used in the songs. as you can see it only creates strife. it is everything else that is important in the songs.
 
But I wonder.. does EVERY song really have a personal meaning to him?

Maybe he can choose a song because he likes the beat or the rhyme... I don't know...
 
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