Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

I liked their interpretation. Yeah, sure there was a love story after all. But it is clear that the girl who was cheating him, she was not honest with him. She lied to him. :(

I love "Who is it?". One of my favorite songs of the album "Dangerous". The video clip is very beautiful and mysterious.​
Yes, but, I didn't mean to imply that this woman who broke his heart in "Who Is It?" is the same woman who is the object of all of the latest love songs. I think there are two women involved in this story. Actually, more than just two, but two pivotal women. One broke his heart severely, but there was another that he may not have known about at that point, that "someone in the dark" who was about to help heal his broken heart.
 
Yes, but, I didn't mean to imply that this woman who broke his heart in "Who Is It?" is the same woman who is the object of all of the latest love songs. I think there are two women involved in this story. Actually, more than just two, but two pivotal women. One broke his heart severely, but there was another that he may not have known about at that point, that "someone in the dark" who was about to help heal his broken heart.


You're right. I recall now, and really are two women involved. But in fact it is only a woman who has double personality. I'm right or wrong? A woman is good and the other a bad girl? By day she was one way and another of the night? :scratch:​
 
You're right. I recall now, and really are two women involved. But in fact it is only a woman who has double personality. I'm right or wrong? A woman is good and the other a bad girl? By day she was one way and another of the night? :scratch:​
Oh, yes, in the song. I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. When I said, "love story" I meant this entire "love story" on which this thread is based. I'm thinking that maybe this "entire" love story on which this thread is based began with heartbreak from one person and is ending with healing from another person. Hope that helps.
 
Oh, yes, in the song. I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. When I said, "love story" I meant this entire "love story" on which this thread is based. I'm thinking that maybe this "entire" love story on which this thread is based began with heartbreak from one person and is ending with healing from another person. Hope that helps.

Hmmm ending with the healing of another person? Why Michael was free of woman who lied to him all the time? Yes, that although she's his life after he discovers it and he is alone in the final. Or am I wrong? :scratch:

Some videos of Michael are mysterious and makes us interpret the whole story. Our thoughts go away, because each person has a different interpretation. This is very interesting. It is a great thread. :)
 
Yes, but, I didn't mean to imply that this woman who broke his heart in "Who Is It?" is the same woman who is the object of all of the latest love songs. I think there are two women involved in this story. Actually, more than just two, but two pivotal women. One broke his heart severely, but there was another that he may not have known about at that point, that "someone in the dark" who was about to help heal his broken heart.

:D yay its great to read your intreptations Mysterious!! :yes:
 
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queen g, Riveting. Honest. Provocative. Heartfelt. Amazing. Deep.


Truly the Best Interpretation yet Of this Song, I've read so far!


Bless you and your sweet gentle soul for this one!
 
for anyone who doesn't know, here is the spoken verse in the middle of the song. there is lots of crying going on, lots pain and anger and emotion.


*don't try to make me

don't try to do it, i can't quit.

i never was, we never were,

it just won't stop.

don't bother me

don't bother me.*


here's one more perspective for the song:

the constant FEAR that there is someone else, whether there is or not. obviously there is pain, and it is only assumed there must be someone else; it is unfathomable to think why else she would go away - without any explanation at all. and so the inspiration for this song then would be based on the fear and the assumption and lack of explanation.
 
I agree with MimiK about the song being about various fears (because it is also about the unknown), and with much of what queen_g said. And speaking of Can't Let Her Get Away, I do wonder what he's saying at the very end through what sounds like more pain, anger and emotion just as in, Who Is It.

This may seem a bit nitpicky but I do want to point out that in Who Is It the lyric seems to be, "I gave my money, I gave my time" which can be seen as he mouths the lyric in the Oprah bit...but on to weighter matters

I agree with queen_g that this song seems to be saying the same kinds of things as Can't Let Her Get Away. I feel one reason CLHGA is not an overwhelming 'fan favorite' is because it may have been designed to be "heard" by some 1, rather than everyone (although it is quite the jam when you get into it) because I notice amid so much undistiguishable, fast-ranting, he says, "she gone, she gone, she gone hear it" and how many others of us can "hear" that? lol.

I also agree that he felt she had lied to him (meaning in his absence of information as indicated by all his questions, he presumed this) because in Who Is It he says, "a promise so untrue" and in CLHGA he says, "is it just a lie" (the promise?) In Who Is It he is trying to figure out why in creation "she just up and ran away" and is guessing and trying to figure it out. In CLHGA he is guessing, eg., "I got a feeling ...this...and I got a feeling...that. If you listen very carefully you'll notice that toward the end it sounds like he says (really fast so you have to listen 'fast') that she "prolly never thought I seen her get away" and if he in fact did watch her leave, Lord, this certainly would add to the pain which could explain why it was stuck in his mind all the way up through the writing of Don't Walk Away.

Who Is It is about a lack of information coupled with fear that his greatest of fears were somehow so. (meaning, eg., his brother...his friend...the really painful stuff humans fear, perhaps from seeing it happen to others).

The song doesn't say, nor do his questionings indicate there was some other man involved, or that she intended to "abandon" him for that matter because we know there are always at least two sides to every story. We have only HIS story going by the music.

What are the chances that she (whether rightly or wrongly) felt that he had disconnected from her, spiritually? Maybe she misjudged something? Felt dissappointment of her own? Was going through something unrelated to him that no one ever knew?

I feel that, without exception, when people hurt other people they are themselves hurting. The degree of pain felt by the one is the degree of pain felt by the other. That being the case, and in the absence of actual information, her making the grave mistake of not talking to him, she could have been going through God knows what having nothing to do with anyone for all anyone knows, least of all, him.

Assuming for a moment that the songs up to the HIStory album are about the same woman, it seems that by the time he released You Are Not Alone, he realized on a certain level of awareness that it might have actually had nothing to do with him, and had developed compassion rather than just pure pain, dissappointment, fear, anguish and anger, because now compassion is what we hear, although he didn't have any more information than before (eg., "someone tell me why").

Speaking of fear, could it be that fear is one thing they had both been battling in relationship to eachother all along? His fear that there could be "someone else" - her fear that he'd not be willing or able (for whatever reasons) to bear her "burdens" ... and maybe by the releasing of YANA he realized this was her concern?

If it is indeed the same person, then could it be that perfect love was realized in the end, where it counted, and is now working itself out in this relationship, by and by, to cast fear out once and for all, forever?

I do know that the enemy of love is seeking to devour. If this is the same person, then it would seem there must be a tremendous degree of power for doing God's will, tied up in these two people actually being together or else the enemy/ies of love wouldn't have worked so hard to keep them apart.

This could indeed constitute a "mountain" to be overcome. I guess that's why it would take a really strong joint purpose to declare, "MOVE mountain Move'

In the end maybe one thing this relationship is about is faith.
 
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So much said, and so much to respond to. I have to make mention of queen g's post which was really intense and special, thought provoking, all that.
But I am so tired I don't know if I can think of what to say other than I really appreciate her posting that as it would take courage to post. It was one that I read and thought "wow" to.

I have an idea of something I'd like to post but I am so tired that I don't think I would explain it well.. but I might anyways.

I really like what you have said also SOS, and at the end, your mention about it being from God and that their enemies would work hard to keep them apart. Could we maybe pray for this couple? That their enemies will not have a hand on them and that anything their enemies would try to do, will be futile and ineffective. That Gods will be done. That their own eyes be opened to the truth and let nothing come between them.

Mysterious Phoenix it was nice to see you posting in here :) I liked hearing your input.
Safira your interpretation was nice to have here as well, and MimiK for sharing what was spoken in that song, and I know I missed people but I wanted to just say that it's been really nice with all this input from everyone, so thank you to Everyone!

I'll try to figure out what feels like something new to add, but isn't really formulated yet. Just something I had noticed and thought about before.
 
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all through the years

all through the decades

there is one thing

that is just so aggravating...


the silent treatments!


they are told about through song

they are sung about in anger

is it that she feels

that it keeps her out of danger??

what does she despise?

how will she surprise?


waiting for the answer...

but i know love is there.
 
aggravatingly insane!

it's so frustrating

but at the same time i know that the love will never leave. it's got too much power. it's got power behind it beyond what anyone can think or imagine. no matter how far away or close by she is, both physically and spiritually, the love power is there, for all time.
 
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Well, this brings up the question, just how easy would it have been for her to contact MJ? He's not the easist guy to get a hold of...I tried the other day and it didn't work.

*jokes*

Also, I want to ask why didn't he just contact her? But then I think I remember hearing one line at the end of CLHGA during the fast adlibbing, "I get the feeling that she doesn't want to talk to me."

Hmm. This is making me wonder of there were Two situations of her leaving. First a physical one, but still after that he could sense her through their spiritual connection. And second, the time came when he felt the spiritual connection being cut off.

Double whammy. That can't feel nice.

Yeah, mimiK, he probably was gettin' a tad aggravated with her.

you're good. :)
 
all through the years

all through the decades

there is one thing

that is just so aggravating...


the silent treatments!


they are told about through song

they are sung about in anger

is it that she feels

that it keeps her out of danger??

what does she despise?

how will she surprise?


waiting for the answer...

but i know love is there.


i just wanted to add..."aggravating" is definitely an understatement for what was going on during that time!
 
Wow, nice goin', guys! Really enjoying reading your interpretations. All of your interpretations are really, really nice! Bravo!!

You know, from listening to MJ's love songs, specifically the ones where you can tell that he's been hurt, it seems like one of the things that he does on a regular basis, when he feels let down, is turn to God for answers. You can hear biblical words in his songs and you hear him mentioning praying. You can tell that he looks inwards when he feels abandoned.

The other thing that he seems to do is continue trying to believe in love...never letting go of it...never fully believing that he will not find love that is true and he's been looking all over the world for it.

With him being a person that travels the globe, he is actually able to look for love all over the world. It is not a figure of speech for him. And with him being a man that loves all nationalities and all nationalities of women having feelings for him, his options have been wide open.

We often hear him speak of promises. Wanting promises to be kept. You know, promises are often made verbally. It is very disappointing when he can't find someone that will keep their word. He needs to be able to believe that someone will actually do what they say and say what they do. Let him believe them. Let him trust them. Let it be ongoing.

Until that happens, he won't know if he can fully give himself to someone. How can MJ ever fully open up to someone if he's not being allowed to believe them and trust them wholeheartedly without worrying and wondering if the love is real?

It seems like he's been continuously trying to hold on to love, and something has always gotten in the way. But, since he refuses to give up on love, he waits. He's got all this love inside. It's stored up and waiting for that one person that will allow him to be him and let that out without wondering if he will get hurt again.

Right now, it seems like he feels that he's found someone that has not let him down. The love has been put to the test and this has caused the tone of his recent love songs to change. He is singing to his lady friend in a tone that has not been heard in a while.

So the love story is continuing, as the mystery unfolds. It is unfolding to a beautiful melody.
 
one more chance...or a dozen chances...to fall again

never give up on love...never

that force has got a lot of power

keep the faith

let love shower

all through the dark

and all through the light

she will never (and always)

be out of sight.
 
^ brilliant observation! If these two have this much personal proclivity toward drama, this makes all the sense in the world.



What was that face for? The idea that she will (always) be out of sight? If that's what that face is for I have to say I made the same face lol which brings me to another thought ...



is it possible that MJ wants her to stay out of sight? like maybe he prefers it this way? would she not be willing to do whatever in the world he actually wants? does she know exactly what that is? (if she's receiving all his communication through poems set to music is she good at figuring things like this out?) could there be something 'satisfying' about the 'out of sight' form of love? is she getting that same 'satisfaction'? by it not being purely physical? I put 'satisfaction' in quote marks because of wondering just how satisfying it could be for the mystery to become history and for them to actually BE together



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queen_g, speaking of If You Don't Love Me, did they write eachother back and forth and her line of communication dropped? Did he write her a letter? If that's not something he does/did (and she'd hoped if she was special to him that he would), could she have been feeling the same things as he? Let down? "Abandoned"? Would she have hoped he'd write her even using a different name if it made him more comfortable? (sorry, random thought lol)



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can you imagine when she finally sees him? *wonders how long its been since he's been held so tight he falls over with a hug*



Wish I had time to respond to more right now...



clearly what this relationship has had (as Paul Newman said in Cool Hand Luke) is "a failure to communicate" on both these peoples' parts, unless he was expecting her to be so vain as to think every song is about her rotfl



just some random thoughts...



lol wish i had time for more ... y'all keep it rolling

oh one last thought ... speaking of something driving someone insane ...

could this girl be going stark raving mad trying to understand what he's saying to her through music? Her life can't be going along smoothly if she finally did figure it out. I say the girl could still use a bit more consideration going back to looking at it from that perspective. Can you imagine how long it would take to figure out what he's saying? Do you know that people have to take time to do things like that? Lots of songs, lots of time.

Imagine that! I mean LOTS of time... its got to have some redemptive value in the end....its just got to, Lord help these two folks redeem all this time and everything else that's been lost.
 
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^ ... afterall .... love is a good thing. AllforMJ, yes, he does seem to be singing happier songs, so there's probably not a whole lot to worry about in the end. The good news is he now KNOWS he is a loved individual. Fiercely loved by some 1 in the dark.

y'all keep it rolling
 
aggravatingly insane!

it's so frustrating

but at the same time i know that the love will never leave. it's got too much power. it's got power behind it beyond what anyone can think or imagine. no matter how far away or close by she is, both physically and spiritually, the love power is there, for all time.



Yep!!! I completely agree with this! Michael himself has told us this very thing, he told us through song, in his own personal poems and reflections. He's been sharing this same sentiment to us for years.

It's so good to see others coming in and trying their hands at interpretating. You guys are doing an awesome job.
 
one more chance...or a dozen chances...to fall again

never give up on love...never

that force has got a lot of power

keep the faith

let love shower

all through the dark

and all through the light

she will never (and always)

be out of sight
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meaning she will never be out of his sight, but always be out of ours, or the limelight type thing?
These feelings stays in a child and stays in the grown child too. For the adult Michael they show themselves as these dark emotions of being damned and dead. Because he STILL havent found the place in this world where he feels connected and understanded and where he's life is as he want it to be. But he found this woman that he saw an angel in. In he's mind she was everything he needed and had ever needed. He was so buesy making everything right for her. Making their path as they walked so that he was shure that everything would go well. He would not take any chances with this queen in he's life.

And when she left him he felt so betrayed. But he felt betrayed not so much by her as by himself and the life he's been given.

I really see this song as the feelings of anger towards himself and he's life, rather than the feelings of anger towards her.
I enjoyed your post and thoughts. This part I cut out here made me wonder... if he was taking time to prepare everything and make it right, in his eyes, fit for a queen, then maybe she did feel abandoned by him as well. Maybe she felt that he had left her, but the reality was that he was only trying to make things perfect for her and them together. Wouldn't it have been a tragedy that the thing he was doing specifically for her, and him together, was the thing that had distanced them from each other? Due to misinterpreting things. Especially if he wanted it to be a surprise so he kept things from her, and maybe in her mind it felt like he was putting a distance between them. Just a thought. If she felt that way, maybe she would try to just make things easier for him by leaving, thinking it was what he wanted but didn't have the heart to say. (Now that story would make a great tragedy, whether true or not I think)

is it possible that MJ wants her to stay out of sight? like maybe he prefers it this way? would she not be willing to do whatever in the world he actually wants? does she know exactly what that is? (if she's receiving all his communication through poems set to music is she good at figuring things like this out?) could there be something 'satisfying' about the 'out of sight' form of love? is she getting that same 'satisfaction'? by it not being purely physical? I put 'satisfaction' in quote marks because of wondering just how satisfying it could be for the mystery to become history and for them to actually BE together
Oh gees, could you imagine? That would honestly suck. Maybe he only would prefer it that way if he didn't fully believe in it. Wanted what they had now because if they were to be together, they'd not last? I understand the fear, but it wouldn't make sense if he fully believed in them together. In a relationship, both peoples wishes would be important, and I don't know about you, but I would personally not feel fulfilled with just a long distance relationship, no matter how strong and powerful and loving it was. And if, like you say, she doesn't even know clearly his wishes, maybe then she'd just move on with her life, not even knowing that he wants her in his. Though that scenario does seem a bit out there. Still could be possible I guess. There is usually some sort of let down when one builds something up to so much and it becomes a reality, or it is over. I think that would be the fear, that it would be over. But it's like if you always wanted to go to Disneyland and dreamed of it for so long, then finally it was going to be a reality for you. You've made plans to go. Each day is like torture to wait for it. You are so excited to finally do what you've always dreamed of, and then you get there and it is just amazing and wonderful and even more than you'd dreamed it could be. It feels like heaven and you wish you would never have to leave. OR... it wasn't what you thought it would be, and are a bit let down. Maybe both of them would be worried of the latter outcome. Also, I was going to say, you get to go to Disneyland and everything is wonderful, then if you have to go, or it can't last, then it's such a disappointment to leave, and is then a letdown there. (ok I have been distracted by phone calls and everything here and can't keep my train of thought... ) Anyways, that is the only reason I could ever see him wanting to keep things apart, or if he has doubts that she is the one for him or that it will work out in the end and wants to be 100% certain because he doesn't want to be hurt again.


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queen_g, speaking of If You Don't Love Me, did they write eachother back and forth and her line of communication dropped? Did he write her a letter? If that's not something he does/did (and she'd hoped if she was special to him that he would), could she have been feeling the same things as he? Let down? "Abandoned"? Would she have hoped he'd write her even using a different name if it made him more comfortable? (sorry, random thought lol)



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can you imagine when she finally sees him? *wonders how long its been since he's been held so tight he falls over with a hug*



Wish I had time to respond to more right now...



clearly what this relationship has had (as Paul Newman said in Cool Hand Luke) is "a failure to communicate" on both these peoples' parts, unless he was expecting her to be so vain as to think every song is about her rotfl



just some random thoughts...



lol wish i had time for more ... y'all keep it rolling

oh one last thought ... speaking of something driving someone insane ...

could this girl be going stark raving mad trying to understand what he's saying to her through music? Her life can't be going along smoothly if she finally did figure it out. I say the girl could still use a bit more consideration going back to looking at it from that perspective. Can you imagine how long it would take to figure out what he's saying? Do you know that people have to take time to do things like that? Lots of songs, lots of time.

Imagine that! I mean LOTS of time... its got to have some redemptive value in the end....its just got to, Lord help these two folks redeem all this time and everything else that's been lost.
Well look at how long it's taking US all to decipher things, and also "being so vein" (though I know it doesn't quite work in this situation..lol) as to think that certain things have to do with this thread topic. Why would she think it's for her over any other number of ladies as well, if he wasn't clear and was vague and only clear in his music. Lots of assumptions I've made but this is the love/romance/mystery thread..lol. It's a part of it.
 
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