Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

That particular user seems fixated on bringing Michaels children up and criticising them repeatedly. Very disrespectful.

Yes.... the best possibility for them to stand up fo their father and speak up against the accusaitions is in Tajs documentary.
And I am sure after listen to Michael Jackson Innocent Project Podcast with Taj that they will do this.

They have to do it not more then in this ONE most powerful effective way.

Why should the children help the evil media to sell storys after what they did to their faher when they want that the media stops reporting about LN?
 
It's getting ridiculous really.

Dailymail are refusing to accept any comment I make on any of their MJ articles. They only accept negative hating apparantly. And I am posting friendly messages only. I hate this censoring of social media thats happening and silencing us.
 
Sheesh :-(

Taj got slaughtered in this podcast.

The interviewer Nihal Arthanayake was complete a moron, asking ignorant questions, but anyway.

Which date is it from? I hope its old and not new, Taj really missed out on everything, he seemed to panic more or less and did not give enough details in his response, instead kept repeating irrelevant stuff. For example he failed to explain the civil case was going to go along before the criminal case in 1993. I almost punched my computer screen...this is why litigators should have done the PR tour.

I think I have seen the interviewer Nihal Arthanayake on twitter being very vocal slandering Michael before, but I am not 100% sure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p...8M2fRxxoMhJ_BHUmv-zY_g573SFKkM95OtNzkktEE9o4I

ITS A PODCAST! So I cannot post the content in text.

Ummm, I just listened to it and I thought he did great. The questions were maybe tough but nothing out of the usual for an interview. He wasn't slaughtered at all.
 
Dailymail are refusing to accept any comment I make on any of their MJ articles. They only accept negative hating apparantly, I hate this censoring of social media thats happening and silencing us.

We should really make this worldwide demonstration for Michael against the media on verdictday June 13!

Something must change in this systm.
Some Companys and media outlets are too powerful.

You saw the graphic someone posted a few weeks ago about the U.S media system...

It looks not better here in Germany.
 
Another of Mark Lesters daughters speaks out: - their statements have been very heartfelt.

"Michael Jackson's British goddaughter, 27, breaks her life-long silence to reveal she believes he is innocent of sex abuse claims made against him
Lucy Lester, 27, knew Michael Jackson through her Oliver! star father Mark, 60
She spent time with the star growing up and said he was a 'lovely family man'
Single mother has broken silence to defend Jackson against sex abuse claims
Wade Robson, 36, and James Safechuck, 40, claim Jackson molested them

Michael Jackson's British goddaughter has broken her life-long silence over the controversial singer to claim he is innocent of the sex abuse claims made against him.

Lucy Lester, 27, was close to the pop star through her father Mark Lester, the former child actor who became famous for playing the title role in Oliver! in 1968.

The single mother, of Gloucestershire, said she and her siblings thought of Jackson's children as cousins and even spent a Christmas together.

Her father, 60, now an osteopath in Cheltenham, has recently defended Jackson in the press against claims of sex abuse made by Wade Robson, 36, and James Safechuck, 40, in the documentary Leaving Neverland.

But Miss Lester said she is convinced he is innocent and never saw anything to suggest he was capable of child abuse.

She said: 'One hundred percent I never saw anything to suggest anything like that.

'I never had the slightest inkling, saw or heard anything that made me feel uncomfortable.

'I do not believe he did it and there are other factors to consider such as monetary gain from the people who accused him.

'Having to hear people say things about him when they don't know him is probably the most difficult thing of all. I can speak from personal experience and all I can say is that I never thought there was anything untoward. Michael was a lovely family man.

'I don't get into arguments about it. There's no point. But there is nothing that has made me feel like it could possibly be true. The person described in the newspapers who allegedly did these things was so far from the Michael I knew.

'All I can say is that I racked up a lot of hours with him and I never ever saw anything to suggest anything like that.'

Miss Lester said Jackson was a good friend to her family, including siblings Harriet, 25, Olivia, 23, and their 19-year-old brother Felix.

She said Jackson tried to teach her to moonwalk and was helping to plan her 18th birthday when he died in 2009.

Although he was always in the background, Miss Lester did not meet the star face to face until she was about 12.

She said: 'Dad met Michael when he was 18, long before I was even born so for me [knowing him] it's always been pretty normal.

'It's only now looking back that it sounds pretty surreal, as if you are describing someone else's life not your own. But it was just normal at the time.'

Her sisters, who now live in Oxford and London, used to go to Jackson's Neverland ranch in California but it never worked out with her school holidays and she said she had to listen to stories such as the time they were on a train and a giraffe put its head through the window.

The first time she personally met Michael Jackson face to face was when he flew her father and all four children out to the Four Seasons Hotel in Las Vegas so he could cement the links between the two families by becoming their godfather and making Mr Lester godfather to his three children.

She said: 'We flew over for the naming ceremony but the thing I remember most was that it was Hallowe'en, which is really big in America, and we went trick or treating with Michael and the kids.

'I remember children walking past with their parents and saying "Look it's Michael Jackson" and then somebody else would say "Don't be ridiculous, it's someone dressed up as him for Hallow'een".

'It was so funny because nobody believed it was him.'

After that the families met up every time Jackson came to England and the Lesters formed a strong bond with his children Prince, Paris and Blanket.

Then in 2005 Jackson rented a sultan's palace in Bahrain and put the Lesters up in the nearby Ritz Hotel so they could all spend Christmas together.

She said: 'I remember the car picking us up and taking us there. It was only about 10 minutes away but the drive to the house must have been about a mile long and there were all these rose gardens and water features. It was amazing.

'When we went inside, it was massive. The ceilings must have been 50 foot tall and the Christmas tree reached the top.

'It was huge. I've never seen a tree that big and on Christmas Eve a Toys 'R Us truck full of presents pulled up. It was like a film and it seemed so magical at the time.'

Jackson hired two violinists to play over Christmas dinner and then the Lesters opened numerous presents from the star which included laptop computers, MP3 players, expensive perfume and Chanel make-up.

She added: 'When we went back at the end of the holiday there was so much stuff that me and my dad had to go to the lobby to buy duffel bags to put it all in.

'It was crazy. There was so much we could not take it all back and had to to have half the presents shipped back to Cheltenham.

'I remember my dad looking at a big inflatable bouncy castle and saying "that'll never fit into our back garden in Cheltenham".'

During Jackson's final few years he was a frequent visitor to Britain and every time he asked the Lesters to visit so the children would spend time with Prince, Paris and Blanket.

Most of the time he stayed at the Dorchester Hotel in London and the Lester children often had to get past screaming fans trying to get a glimpse of the singer.

She said Jackson once played a joke on her by asking her to open his curtains and then laughed when she jumped back after being confronted with an army of hysterical fans who thought it was the star making an appearance.

Miss Lester added she was never put off by his change in appearance over the years.

She added: 'I think by that time all the work had been done so that's all I had never known him as.

'In real life it does not look as dramatic as the papers make it out to be. Maybe that's because that's what I'd always known him as.'

'Obviously if we went out there would be security and hordes of people taking pictures but as soon as we were back inside it was just two normal families together.

'My dad and Michael would be chatting and we would hang out with the kids. We would order pizza, chips and ice-cream on room service and sit around talking and watching TV and films.

'We grew up together and spent so much time together we referred to each other as cousins.

'There was one time when we were really, really bored and Michael cleared it his with security to take me, Prince and Paris to the cinema.

'Nobody knew what the kids looked like because they usually wore masks when they went out, but this the one time Michael said they didn't have to and we went to see Bolt in 3D.'

Miss Lester said word got around in Cheltenham that she knew the star and she would be asked by friends for autographs.

Then in 2007 Jackson visited the family while in the UK to negotiate a deal with Sony for the Beatles' back catalogue.

She said the family were attending Prince's birthday party when Mr Lester invited Jackson to visit and he took him up on the offer 'there and then'.

Miss Lester said: 'They rocked up in a security car and sneaked into the house. We shut the blinds but people started to gather outside almost straight away.

'People knew who my dad was so when a car with blacked out security windows parked in the street they wanted to to know if it was him.

'Dad asked what everybody wanted to eat and Michael said he'd like to try fish and chips.

'Someone went to the chippie and we all sat around the table together eating fish chips and mushy peas. Michael said he loved it.'

Miss Lester said she is hurt when she hears people attacking Jackson or reads negative comments online, she rarely tackles them head on because experience shows it does no good.

She added she will remember the 'lovely' father who would do ordinary things like eat popcorn in front of a film or offer her a piece of Hubba Bubba chewing gum as they travelled in his car.

Miss Lester said: 'He's made out to be this big character but maybe that's a stage persona and people are different backstage.

'As soon as he saw us he would give us a big hug and just start talking about normal stuff like how we were getting along in school? He was very down to earth and he'd just talk about the family and everyday things.

'It's weird because the media make him out to be wacky and eccentric, but for me he was just a family friend. A friend of my dad's.'

On March 5, 2009 Jackson, who by this time was dogged by financial problems and had not toured or given an interview for years, announced 'This Is It', a 10-concert residency at the O2 arena in London.

Miss Lester said he was so nervous about announcing his comeback that he asked her father to attend the much publicised launch of the concerts which sold out so fast that 40 more dates were added.

That April was the last time they saw each other and he gave his godchildren Mac computers and gift vouchers as late Christmas presents before flying back to America.

'The last time I spoke to him was three days before he passed away,' said Lucy. 'He was in rehearsals in America and on the phone to my dad a lot.

'I happened to be around my dad's once and as usual he asked to be put on to me so he could say hi. He was asking how things were going and what I was up to.

'I was telling him I wasn't sure what to do for my 18th birthday and he said he would reserve front row seats for me and a couple of friends at one of the concerts and we could go backstage afterwards.

'The plan was that he was going to rent somewhere half hour from the stadium that had a guest house in the grounds so that our family could stay there.'

Days later a friend messaged her to turn on TV and she saw the conflicting and confusing reports coming out of America saying Jackson had been rushed to hospital.
As her father tried to frantically find out the truth on the phone, she spent the rest of the night at her nearby home glued to the TV, flicking through the channels hoping to hear it was a big mistake.

She said: 'I waited until 7am when I knew everybody would be up to go to my dad's.

'I had been up all night and was like a zombie. When I turned the corner into his street there were news vans and TV crews swarming all over my dad's house.

'I just wanted to get in and speak to my dad but they were asking me all sorts of questions. My brothers and sisters had only found out that morning and were in complete shock.'

Miss Lester struggled to accept that her godfather was dead and for a long time afterwards could not eat hoping to hear it was a mistake or hoax.

She said: 'He passed away on 25 June and it was my 18th birthday on July 15. I went out with some friends and obviously a lot of the clubs were playing his music as a tribute.

'One of his songs came on, I think it was You are Not Alone, and I had a complete and utter breakdown in the club.

'I hadn't cried until then but I went out in a ball of tears. I don't know if it was because it had finally hit home and hearing music made me think how I would never see him again, but I had a meltdown.'

She added one of the hardest things to accept is losing touch with Prince, Paris and Blanket who were whisked away by the Jackson family shortly after the star's death.

After Jackson died Miss Lester said people tried to contact the family through social media pretending to be Paris so so they changed profiles and developed a series of questions only she would know. Sadly none of them turned out to be the real Paris.

Miss Lester sent a message to what she believes is Paris's real Instagram page and although it's not been opened, she lives in hope that Jackson's daughter will remember the time they were close enough to swap friendship bracelets and watch films together.

She added: 'Since then I've had a child, and it's really sad that I couldn't tell her about such a big thing in my life.

'She was a massive family person and adored her brothers so I know she would have loved to meet Jake.

'It would be lovely to catch up again like old friends but it's not that easy. You can't just message them on Facebook and ask if they want to meet for a coffee like you can with your other friends.

'It's understandable that the family want to shield them and obviously she has her own life in America now, but I hope that one day she will reach out to me and we can catch up.'

After Jackson's death it emerged that Lucy's father was one of a number of sperm donors Michael used to father his children with nurse Debbie Rowe.

It led to widespread speculation that Paris is actually Lucy's sister. Mark has always said it is up to Paris to take a paternity test if she wants to find out who her father is."
 
Good article.... but then comes the end.^^
I would love when they finally stop being so greedy and ego in saying this!
That labels them one of the many MJ backstabbers who are also after money and fame!
Those people are not the right ones in defending Michael for me.
 
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Tabloids now clinging onto that testimony of Safechuck's father. That news is like what... a month old now? Just another day for them.

Yeah ... its old news.
But we should save the testimony from James father somewhrere.
It is the only part from the testemony of the Safechcks we have from 1993/94.
We can point out that the conversation the father mention there with James was not mention in James lawsuit or in LN.
They again let everthing out what condredict their story.

Looks it not bad that the media who obviously got exess to the testemonys of the two familys weeks ago only release this testimony but seames to hide the other ones and also the compleate CNN interview with the robsons from 1994???

Should we maybe try to make presure on them with a pedition?
 
There is nothing Prince or Paris could contribute to this other than to feed the media frenzy. They weren't even born when these events were alleged to have taken place. You can be sure the vultures in the media will be looking to destroy them like they did their father. They've already tried with Paris. They'll speak out in their own time. Stop obsessing on what you think his children should or should not be doing a grow up.
 
Dailymail are refusing to accept any comment I make on any of their MJ articles. They only accept negative hating apparantly. And I am posting friendly messages only. I hate this censoring of social media thats happening and silencing us.

Yes I've noticed too.
The only way to get a pro-MJ comment approved is to NOT criticise the DM's reporting or even the media in general. Also don't make it long. Don't provide links. Don't insult somebody.

Of course that means any rebuttal you provide is not convincing in any way.

Even with the advice above the chances are high your comment won't be approved. They cultivate a troll culture on that site.
 
Also **** Trevor Noah, what a idiot. He believes in LN and he didn't push Oprah in his interview at all.

Also this.... wow Oprah, wow.

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Thurs or Wed? Really @Oprah ?! This isn’t about that!! It’s about saying you were abused in a place that didn’t even EXIST! And court docs prove his timeline!!! Your deflection speaks volumes!! Keep laughing and trying to cover your tracks...cuz you ain’t seen “hateration” yet! https://t.co/6JCIXb4XNG
 
For anyone coming for Michael's children and calling them disrespectful or whatever...NAH. That is so unspeakably out of order. We do not know the half of what they've been through. We have CHOSEN to be MJ fans, but they did not choose any of this. They do not owe anyone this constant fighting back. These kids saw their dad's lifeless body, they were basically orphaned and now the whole world is harrassing them and hurling bricks at them and their family...if they chose to handle this by going away and never speaking to anyone ever again..frankly I'd be more than happy for them. Any fans who think otherwise are selfish IMO sorry.
 
As far as the Lesters, it's nice that they are speaking out about who Michael really was, but other than that they seem as nutty and hungry for attention as many of the people that clung on to Michael. How can they be surprised that Paris doesn't want anything to do with them after their father goes on TV and gives million interviews saying he is her real father? These are the people Michael had to deal with.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned, I flicked back a few pages and didn't see it. Photographer David LaChappelle has defended Michael on his instagram page, in pretty bold fashion as well. He put 3 of his created MJ images up along with arguments in the captions/comments
 
Yes I've noticed too.
The only way to get a pro-MJ comment approved is to NOT criticise the DM's reporting or even the media in general. Also don't make it long. Don't provide links. Don't insult somebody.

Of course that means any rebuttal you provide is not convincing in any way.

Even with the advice above the chances are high your comment won't be approved. They cultivate a troll culture on that site.

This remembers on darkest times like the NS era where there was a censorship and it was no critizism or freedom of opinion allowed.

CBS who belongs togeter with HBO did definitly something simular in delating Pro MJ comments under their videos to LN and critic comments towards them and HBO.
This is also a censorship
I think CBS maybe was the main reason why my over 10 year old YouTube accound becamed delated and I am not allowed to make a new one cause I expressed huge critizism towards them and the media in my comments.
 
For anyone coming for Michael's children and calling them disrespectful or whatever...NAH. That is so unspeakably out of order. We do not know the half of what they've been through. We have CHOSEN to be MJ fans, but they did not choose any of this. They do not owe anyone this constant fighting back. These kids saw their dad's lifeless body, they were basically orphaned and now the whole world is harrassing them and hurling bricks at them and their family...if they chose to handle this by going away and never speaking to anyone ever again..frankly I'd be more than happy for them. Any fans who think otherwise are selfish IMO sorry.
To be clear.
I'm not a fan of MJ children. I don't care about their life.
They choose to be in a mute situation, despites the medias write every day about their father.
I'm only a fan of MJ.
 
To be clear.
I'm not a fan of MJ children. I don't care about their life.
They choose to be in a mute situation, despites the medias write every day about their father.
I'm only a fan of MJ.

Grow up. PLEASE
 
To be clear.
I'm not a fan of MJ children. I don't care about their life.
They choose to be in a mute situation, despites the medias write every day about their father.
I'm only a fan of MJ.

You don't need to be a "fan" of his children. I'm not a "fan" of his children. But as a fan of Michael I show them respect and wish them to be healthy and happy in life. Maybe you should just accept that you don't necessarily know what is best for them to do. The snarky comments about them are not helping anything.
 
To be clear.
I'm not a fan of MJ children. I don't care about their life.
They choose to be in a mute situation, despites the medias write every day about their father.
I'm only a fan of MJ.

I know what you mean.
I was never a fan of the Jackson Family in general before they start to give interviews in this LN situation!
But now I am looking forward to every interview they gave and enjoying them very much!
My opinion was before, that Michael was simply unique and so much different from everyone else including his family members.
But now after listen to so muuuuuch long interviews with Taj and Brandi and getting to know them better through it I must realize that this is not really true.
I see a lot of the things I saw in Michael in them and I am very glad and thankful about it cause this is still alive and will live on to make this world a better place and unite people of all nations!

I hope 3T will find the courage soon to release their second album where MJ had worked with them.
They have now the rights back from Sony. Taj said that in one of the interviews.
 
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I for one think it's great Michael's children don't speak about the documentary at this point. Michael's children are also no spokes people for their father or the Estate! We all know they love their father but every word they will say will not make a difference to the general public, because they will be looked at as biased and they were not alive during the time the "abuse" took place. It only would give more attention to the documentary and the lies. I think they are very aware of this!

People should also be aware the Estate will fight these claims during the appeal that is coming and should also not be speaking too much about it in public cause if they give away too much details Wade&James can change their story again for their own gain.
 
I for one think it's great Michael's children don't speak about the documentary at this point. Michael's children are also no spokes people for their father or the Estate! We all know they love their father but every word they will say will not make a difference to the general public, because they will be looked at as biased and they were not alive during the time the "abuse" took place. It only would give more attention to the documentary and the lies. I think they are very aware of this!

People should also be aware the Estate will fight these claims during the appeal that is coming and should also not be speaking too much about it in public cause if they give away too much details Wade&James can change their story again for their own gain.

I agree with this absolutly.
No defense who is involved in a court case can open up complatly before.
They did open up as much as they possible could.
They maybe must keep some surpise attacks they plan secretly.
When Wade and James would have droped the appeal before the sundance announcement the stragy from the estate would be maybe diffferent but because there are these courtcases against HBO they have for me a big possibilty to win and the courtcases against the accusers to fight they must keep things secretly like every other defense would do this in this situation.
 
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Maybe Prince, Paris and Blancket can't talk, maybe someone at the estate asking them to not talking to medias?
 
I agree with this absolutly.
No defense who is involved in a court case can open up complatly before.
They did open up as much as they possible could.
They maybe must keep some surpise attacks they plan secretly.
When Wade and James would have droped the appeal before the sundance announcement the stragy from the estate would be maybe diffferent but because there are these courtcases against HBO they have for me a big possibilty to win and the courtcases against the accusers to fight they must keep things secretly lie every other defense would do this in this situation.
I agree. It is not good to reveal everything. Also did you all see the actor who WON defamation from a woman who accused him and the media trashed him. His name is Jeffery (I can not rememberr his last name). People are sick of this rush to judge and try to ruin people because the metoo has gone too far with many and assumeing people are guilty without facts.
 
When you are interesting in to see some videofootage from the german protest against LN you can watch the beginning of this german media video.
It is a very negative video but you can hit them with facts and rebuttle videos in the comment section!


https://youtu.be/JMSh3cdnm_0

And tell them that LN is NOT a documentery and that they have to stop to call MJ this racistic name you all know.

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This is the short version of the video:
https://youtu.be/teYiGz3Os6Q
Its the same footage. So you have to only give the first video a view when you interestined in to see and listen what they are saying and only spred the facts in the second one without giving it a view.
 
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Also **** Trevor Noah, what a idiot. He believes in LN and he didn't push Oprah in his interview at all.

Also this.... wow Oprah, wow.

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Thurs or Wed? Really @Oprah ?! This isn’t about that!! It’s about saying you were abused in a place that didn’t even EXIST! And court docs prove his timeline!!! Your deflection speaks volumes!! Keep laughing and trying to cover your tracks...cuz you ain’t seen “hateration” yet! https://t.co/6JCIXb4XNG

She will try to justify it any way she can. This is where the interviewer needs to challenge her but they are as hopeless as her and seem to be in awe of her. Which is probably why she went on his show, an easy ride.

For the life of me I never could understand why the US holds her in high esteem. I mean some idiots wanted her to run for President!
 
Did you guys see those tweets by this guy called Marty Weiss? From what I understand on Twitter is a convicted paedophile and he's trying to deflect from himself by saying Corey Feldman should come out and be honest about Mike. One woman asks him what the truth is. Seriously bitch, you're gonna ask a convicted paedophile the truth? Hey who cares about the mountains of facts and proof you can find pointing to MJ's innocence. Let's ask a paedophile.
 
Did you guys see those tweets by this guy called Marty Weiss? From what I understand on Twitter is a convicted paedophile and he's trying to deflect from himself by saying Corey Feldman should come out and be honest about Mike. One woman asks him what the truth is. Seriously bitch, you're gonna ask a convicted paedophile the truth? Hey who cares about the mountains of facts and proof you can find pointing to MJ's innocence. Let's ask a paedophile.

These are those people who want to use LN and MJ to normalisise and legalize pedophillia.

I find some people in comment sections who support LN from who I think they are pedos. In the last "Aufwachen Podcast" episode after the epidode I posted about LN was also someone who spoke in the audiocomments from who I think is a Peodo.
 
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