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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

ksat9 said:
I knew that we had to check before we make any comments.
We cannot afford to take any steps back after making progress.
Now watch the media report on the movie still being on HBO while ignoring the train station story.
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Fans need to verify things before they start talking. Otherwise we are just doing the same thing that we accuse the media of doing.
 
WildStyle said:
Fans need to verify things before they start talking. Otherwise we are just doing the same thing that we accuse the media of doing.
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This.
We have to be very careful with what we put out. Now look at people rush to report this while ignoring the train station, Grand Canyon, Dan Reed basically ruining his narrative, etc.
 
Yes, please before posting anything outside of this forum double check that info is confirmed before sharing outside of this place.. Everyone that believes Wade and James are looking for anything to take away credibility from our stance..

For people to be open to facts, they ALL have to be facts.. One slight non truth make people tone us out.. stressful yes, but it's how it is.
 
But Quentin Schaffer, HBO’s Executive Vice President of Corporate Communications, said that the report is untrue, and that the network will continue to show the documentary through April 17. It will also remain available to watch on HBO Now and HBO Go.


Their 'denial ' is a confirmation it will be on demand only until 17 April not until September as initially planned. They are manipulative liars.
 
I worried that this rumour of it being pulled was purposely a red herring HBO threw our way to actually get the MJ fans to do the publicity for them because it just made others who hadn’t seen it or haven’t gotten to it - to go to see if it was there and if it was, would watch now in case it was going to be pulled
 
Soundmind;4254442 said:
But Quentin Schaffer, HBO’s Executive Vice President of Corporate Communications, said that the report is untrue, and that the network will continue to show the documentary through April 17. It will also remain available to watch on HBO Now and HBO Go.


Their 'denial ' is a confirmation it will be on demand only until 17 April not until September as initially planned. They are manipulative liars.
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It does not matter, they still look stupid and supporting liars as all the lies are coming out on these guys. This trash leaves tuesday. HBO still go down as supporting liars and it flopped.
 
Soundmind;4254442 said:
But Quentin Schaffer, HBO’s Executive Vice President of Corporate Communications, said that the report is untrue, and that the network will continue to show the documentary through April 17. It will also remain available to watch on HBO Now and HBO Go.


Their 'denial ' is a confirmation it will be on demand only until 17 April not until September as initially planned. They are manipulative liars.
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No one wants to see this trash for the next few days. It did not get looked at much in the beginning.
 
I don’t know how to post twitter posts, but Oprah TRIED IT with the James train station lie.

I’m “this close”’ to losing my cool and going off. I’ve tried being civil and thinking optimistic and still think everything will come through, but I’m about the abandon the whole “when they go low we go high” approach.
I just know for sure when we get THAT ONE proof, I’m not taking the Jacksons highroad.

I never thought in my life that I would side with Donald Trump on the news.
 
davidroest said:
Speaking of Oprah, she took the interview with the 2 assholes offline this evening. The HBO documentary is under fire right now after the estate put their counterdocumentary online.
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I didn't heared anything about a documentery from the estate. Don't spread fake news!

KOPV said:
Yes, please before posting anything outside of this forum double check that info is confirmed before sharing outside of this place.. Everyone that believes Wade and James are looking for anything to take away credibility from our stance..

For people to be open to facts, they ALL have to be facts.. One slight non truth make people tone us out.. stressful yes, but it's how it is.
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Problem is.... some people have also uploaded some videos with this false news

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Please continue to report every upload on YouTube of LN and also videos with links to download or steamimg plattforms.
LNs childponographic is not for childen!
 
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Sheesh :-(

Taj got slaughtered in this podcast.

The interviewer Nihal Arthanayake was complete a moron, asking ignorant questions, but anyway.

Which date is it from? I hope its old and not new, Taj really missed out on everything, he seemed to panic more or less and did not give enough details in his response, instead kept repeating irrelevant stuff. For example he failed to explain the civil case was going to go along before the criminal case in 1993. I almost punched my computer screen...this is why litigators should have done the PR tour.

I think I have seen the interviewer Nihal Arthanayake on twitter being very vocal slandering Michael before, but I am not 100% sure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p...8M2fRxxoMhJ_BHUmv-zY_g573SFKkM95OtNzkktEE9o4I

ITS A PODCAST! So I cannot post the content in text.
 
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Lightbringer said:
ITS A PODCAST! Sound only. There is no text to copy and paste.
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I directly want to stop it when I hear this evil quote fom Dan Reed in the beginning!
Its an evil attack from the interviewer to challenge Taj with this directlly in the beginning of the interview before he can say anything against this movie.
When I hear this, I can imagine how the rest of the interview will be.

When this interview was recorded a few weeks ago..... I can absolutly understand Taj that he and Brandy semes to only went now to MJ supportive platforms for intrviews.

I love how they pay tibutes to the MJ supporters in this way.
Michael would love that.
When he would be alive now I think he would be very thankful to this platforms as well, go to them and pay tribute in giving interviews.

He really loved his fans!

The Jackson family can't absolutly not trust the media.
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I directly want to stop it when I hear this evil quote fom Dan Reed in the beginning!
Its an evil attack from the interviewer to challenge Taj with this directlly in the beginning of the interview before he can say anything against this movie.
When I hear this, I can imagine how the rest of the interview will be.

When this interview was recorded a few weeks ago..... I can upsolutly understand Taj that he and Brandy semes to only went now to MJ supportive platforms for intrviews.
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OK. I saw now it was from the 5th march, thank god. I guess Taj has learned alot of facts since then, at least I hope so since I have heard him explain things much better than in this interview.

I get your point - but this interview would have been OK if Taj had given the correct answers, you can not pick the questions, so he has to be prepared. I would have put every answer pretty much different from how Taj did it.
 
somewhereinthedark;4254425 said:
I agree, is the person really a fan who posted the negativity about Bill or a hater trying to,cause dissent. If it’s a fan, why be negative of someone who supports MJ. It doesn’t make any sense and I say ignore the dissenter trying to persuade us to go against Bill.
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Please. Ive been on this board longer than i bet some have you have been alive. met mj several times. Etc etc. I take offence to anyone who writes tell all books (cascio him anyone else) especially people who were around for 2 mins.as i said he wasnt wayne. I worked in security had collegues who worked for huge stars. And writing books etc about private things that you get to hear and see in a privilage postion is very much looked down apon. He also made himself look like an attention seaker the other week by making those comments about the photos. Something he knew nothing about but felt the need to give his "educated" opinion.
 
Lightbringer said:
Sheesh :-(

Taj got slaughtered in this podcast.

The interviewer Nihal Arthanayake was complete a moron, asking ignorant questions, but anyway.

Which date is it from? I hope its old and not new, Taj really missed out on everything, he seemed to panic more or less and did not give enough details in his response, instead kept repeating irrelevant stuff. For example he failed to explain the civil case was going to go along before the criminal case in 1993. I almost punched my computer screen...this is why litigators should have done the PR tour.

I think I have seen the interviewer Nihal Arthanayake on twitter being very vocal slandering Michael before, but I am not 100% sure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p...8M2fRxxoMhJ_BHUmv-zY_g573SFKkM95OtNzkktEE9o4I

ITS A PODCAST! So I cannot post the content in text.
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At least he's not like MJ children. He speaks in media to defend his uncle.
I know two persons, their father is treated unfairly by media (+ Dan Reed and Oprah) but they are watching that without a word.
 
I wish Kathrine Jackson would read James lawsuit and would relase a statement maybe together with LaToya about the Time MJ spend with the Safechucks when he lived at Heyenhurst and what they can say about his relationship to them.
This could clear up a few things.
Its time that someone from the Jackson Family who knew the Safechucks to speak up against James after Taj, Brandy and Siggi spoke up against Wade, they know.
 
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elusive moonwalker;4254457 said:
Please. Ive been on this board longer than i bet some have you have been alive. met mj several times. Etc etc. I take offence to anyone who writes tell all books (cascio him anyone else) especially people who were around for 2 mins.as i said he wasnt wayne. I worked in security had collegues who worked for huge stars. And writing books etc about private things that you get to hear and see in a privilage postion is very much looked down apon. He also made himself look like an attention seaker the other week by making those comments about the photos. Something he knew nothing about but felt the need to give his "educated" opinion.
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Sounds as if we are the same age, I have been defending Michael for 35+ years and know all of the ins and outs of what we are going through this time around. I have no problem with Bill’s book. He has always been supportive and respectful of Michael and that’s what matters to me. He could easily have taken money and wrote horrible things about Michael. As of this moment, he has not. IMO, it is silly to attack him. Let’s pick our battles and this is NOT one of them. Hopefully, he ignores the negativity against him and not flip because of harradment from fans.😕
 
1nn5;4254458 said:
At least he's not like MJ children. He speaks in media to defend his uncle.
I know two persons, their father is treated unfairly by media (+ Dan Reed and Oprah) but they are watching that without a word.
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Michael’s children don’t need to say anything at the moment. Taj is doing a great job because he was there during all of these hoax’s/scams, etc. I’m glad it is him and Brandi, instead of the older Jacksons.
 
That the Media is offering people something (what we heared many times now and in the past ) to talk bad about Michael Jackson and say they think he is guilty, should we always keep in mind when we see an celbretie or anyone else supported by the media is doing this.
They can be hiared and paid for it!
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4254331 said:
I told you that I was veeeeery dissapointed from the german "Aufwachenpodcast" who labeled Michael as guilty and LN as credible and the truth in a over 3hour special in this episode.

[video=youtube;ET27C0vBlBc] https://youtu.be/ET27C0vBlBc[/video]

It is possible to conquer and debunk LN in one of their next episodes cause they give their listeners always the possility to react on their episodes in sending audicomments which have a big possiblity that they will play them in the end of their next episodes.
So you can send them an three minutes long Audio commentary where for example debunk LN in a the way like Perl Junior did it in this video:

[video=youtube;keWnHXD43uY] https://youtu.be/keWnHXD43uY[/video]

In reading for example fastly the Fact thread in this forum.

It would be great when you record the Audicommantary in German but the Podcast has very youg listeners and viewers who manly can understand english, so it is possible that they would also play an audicommentary in english.
Please record only a good understandable audio not a video!
You can send the commentary with whats app to signal: null15156091706

The channel has 178.743 subscribers and their pocast episods gets in the moment over 30.000 views, so it is very possible that your audiocommentary will reach many people.

You can also spread the facts under their video in german or in english which will also reach the staff members of the podcast ( who all can understand english) and other people cause maaaaany listeners read the comments under videos of the episodes as well.

There next episode will be recorded tomorrow or on friday. I don't know it exactly.
So it would be great when you record the audio today as soon as possibleand send it to them!
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I want remind you on this post from yesterday. Please take the chance.
I have no whats app.

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4254357 said:
Good!
Here is the last very good part of the article:

"Smallcombe also claims some of the testimony given by another*Jackson accuser Wade Robson in the documentary can be disproved.

Speaking with the*Mirror, he questions the*Australian-born dancer’s account*of being molested by the superstar in 1990 while his family visited the Grand Canyon.

Wade said he was left alone with Jackson for five days at the star’s Neverland Ranch in California.

But the youngster and his mother both defended Jackson while speaking to investigators in 1993 after 13-year-old Jordan Chandler accused the entertainer of sexual abuse.

Smallcombe claims it is this testimony that proves that Wade is not telling the truth.

He said: “His mother, Joy Robson, testified under oath in a deposition in 1993/1994 in relation to the Jordie Chandler case that Wade had actually gone with them on that trip to the Grand Canyon, before the entire family returned to Neverland for the second time the following weekend.

CHANGING STORIES

“Joy Robson had no reason to lie about this; she openly admitted that Wade stayed with Jackson alone on other occasions.”

Smallcombe added: “Her words in that deposition were, ‘We went to the ranch for the first weekend, and then we left and went to the Grand Canyon, and we toured. We came back to the ranch for the following weekend’.

“She was asked to elaborate on who had gone to the Grand Canyon, and she said ‘my family’. There was no mention of Wade staying behind.”

Jackson’s biographer then claims Joy said Wade had not stayed alone with Jackson at Neverland until 1993.

Wade Robson also testified in defence of Jackson during the Billy Jean songwriter’s 2005 trial in which he was cleared of molesting youngster Gavin Arviso.

In this court room testimony, the choreographer said that the only time he had stayed at Neverland without Joy was in either 1992 or 1993 along with other Jackson companions Macaulay Culkin and Chandler.

Smallcombe points out that Wade said that his sister had stayed in the same bed as him “the entire time” they were at Neverland the first time.

He says Joy corroborated that account when giving evidence in the same trial."

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Wade always said that EVERY abuse of MJ did only happen when he was compleatly ALONE with Michael.


This staying at neverland with Joy the entire time except from 1992 or 1993 when Wade stayed with other children includes sleepover for me as well.
So no molestation can have happened in Neverland cause when Wade stayed with Joy ( who was in love with Michael, maybe left Australia and her husband for him, want always be with Michael sometimes in his bed) there Wade was not ALONE with Michael!.
When Wade stayed and had sleepover with other children in Neverland no molestation can have happened then cause Wade was also not ALONE with Michael!

So all his entire abuse storys which should have taken place in Neverland are now prooven to be compleate lies for me!!!

We need only put this in a great video!

The videoseries from the "Michael Jackson Innocent Project" Debunking Leaving Neverland 'Lie by Lie' fits perfect for me.
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!!!!!!!
 
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Some newsite called Millbank Monitor are posting news from the sundance film festival as it happened TODAY. The site has been starting to re-post everything about Leaving Neverland, obviously it sells, or they have been instructed to do so!
 
somewhereinthedark;4254463 said:
Michael’s children don’t need to say anything at the moment. Taj is doing a great job because he was there during all of these hoax’s/scams, etc. I’m glad it is him and Brandi, instead of the older Jacksons.
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Michael Jackson have children.
Taj isn't his child.
Are Prince and Paris eating popcorn while watching medias treating their father like a guilty !
 
Lightbringer said:
Some newsite called Millbank Monitor are posting news from the sundance film festival as it happened TODAY. The site has been starting to re-post everything about Leaving Neverland, obviously it sells, or they have been instructed to do so!
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It's getting ridiculous really.
 
somewhereinthedark;4254463 said:
Michael’s children don’t need to say anything at the moment. Taj is doing a great job because he was there during all of these hoax’s/scams, etc. I’m glad it is him and Brandi, instead of the older Jacksons.
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That particular user seems fixated on bringing Michaels children up and criticising them repeatedly. Very disrespectful.
 
AG5050 said:
That particular user seems fixated on bringing Michaels children up and criticising them repeatedly. Very disrespectful.
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What !
The real disrespectful is what Prince and Paris are doing now.
I will ask you a simple question: Can you keep silence when someone/media is talking badly about your father ?? Me NO.
It's true, I don't respect Paris and Prince since they are mute after LN.
I think they loved the popcorn.
 
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