Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Annie Are You Ok]

I can't imagine the estate losing this. I mean HBO was very clearly breaching their contract. I'm no expert in legal matters but what reason could there be that the estate loses this?

As for them pulling LN, couldn't it possibly have to do with copyright issues too? I mean they do use footage from other people from what I've read on Twitter.

Yes it's most likely the copyright issues.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

How have I never seen this! ?

It sure is great eh? I mean that guy is like "oh heyyyy Mike" and Mike is like...."oh...ok..wow, let me just get out of here real quick." hahaha.

 

[ozemouze]

https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1116056819216949248
John Ziegler
@Zigmanfreud
Finally! An American media outlet acknowledges one of the many key problems in #LeavingNeverland
Let’s reward some rare truth-telling by sharing this story.

And the article:
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1116053364008030208
https://www.dailywire.com/news/4581...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter
It not just reports the timeline discrepancy but gives context to it as well (by quoting from Ziegler's great Mediaite article).

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm back with a definitive article on the Neverland train station saga, which puts an end to all doubt <a href="https://t.co/JQkEjm334t">https://t.co/JQkEjm334t</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1115950925393350658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Love to read these kinds of tweets ... &#128512; <a href="https://t.co/ZBJBMVQFoZ">https://t.co/ZBJBMVQFoZ</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1115777192783298560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ive always wanted to live in a world surrounded by <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a> artwork. Im in awe of this new piece in the magnificent city of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Liverpool?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Liverpool</a> another great reason to visit!Can we have more around the country <a href="https://twitter.com/paulcurtisart?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@paulcurtisart</a>? <a href="https://twitter.com/LivEchonews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LivEchonews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RachaelMcEcho?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RachaelMcEcho</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJINNOCENT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJINNOCENT</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/aCHtKkaF5j">pic.twitter.com/aCHtKkaF5j</a></p>&mdash; Think Fathers (@SeanyKane) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanyKane/status/1115743121911029765?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> T shirt today! <a href="https://t.co/APlROlSeTx">pic.twitter.com/APlROlSeTx</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1115697682587107329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEVERLAND: An acclaimed director taking on a loaded dice like Michael Jackson accusers with revised claims to me is clear he is a director &amp; not a journalist. I don't know what MJ did or did not do, but NEVERLAND smacks of attempting to make the facts fit the narrative.</p>&mdash; Jeffrey James (@jeffreyjamestv) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeffreyjamestv/status/1116010256956411904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">HBO Pulls Plug On Neverland Documentary, Oprah Deletes Interviews With Accusers From Her YouTube <a href="https://t.co/e1KefVj1oO">https://t.co/e1KefVj1oO</a></p>&mdash; zellie (@zellieimani) <a href="https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1115947600497213440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I worked with Michael many times over the years &amp; got to know him. He was a lovely kind human being with a pure spirit. Sadly when people die they can't defend themselves &amp; its easy for others to jump on the bandwagon. This programme should not have been allowed to have been made</p>&mdash; Dr. Karl Beattie (@realkarlbeattie) <a href="https://twitter.com/realkarlbeattie/status/1115968513737359360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EP 54 of the <a href="https://twitter.com/nowwhatpod?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nowwhatpod</a> -MICHAEL JACKSON - &amp; why i changed my mind. this took weeks of research, learning and understanding the nuances of each case. learned a lot about myself in this process. hope y’all enjoy. let me know! <br><br>watch and listen here <a href="https://t.co/rZCq3IG3U3">https://t.co/rZCq3IG3U3</a></p>&mdash; feeno (@ArianFoster) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArianFoster/status/1115600390806884355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So Arian had always believed that Michael Jackson was guilty, however when he watched the film, he didn't feel convinced. So he RESEARCHED for weeks, and here does a 2 hour podcast on each and every allegation, and why he thinks MJ is innocent. Big thanks to <a href="https://twitter.com/ArianFoster?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ArianFoster</a>! <a href="https://t.co/AhBKTx32Hf">https://t.co/AhBKTx32Hf</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1115707203476807681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My book was Not written to prove anything, my book was written to give MJ fans a glimpse to who he was and what he endured. Those that are Not fans of MJ never were and never will be. I will not waste unnecessary time on those that only seek controversey.</p>&mdash; Bill Whitfield (@MJBODYGUARDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJBODYGUARDS/status/1115843043633106944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The same media outlet that’s taking my book out of context is the same media outlets that offered me $$$$$ to slander Mr. Jackson. I know how they work, now they know how I work! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/****them?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#****them</a></p>&mdash; Bill Whitfield (@MJBODYGUARDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJBODYGUARDS/status/1115847568360128513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finally! An American media outlet acknowledges one of the many key problems in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <br><br>Let’s reward some rare truth-telling by sharing this story. <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tjjackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJackson82</a> <a href="https://t.co/yxrk20ThQP">https://t.co/yxrk20ThQP</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1116056819216949248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Way You Make Me Feel KODA 99.1 Texas Radio still Ampliflying <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> .. YEP YEP <a href="https://t.co/eZu5g0dHQB">pic.twitter.com/eZu5g0dHQB</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1116040854777372672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;HBO Pulls Plug On Neverland Documentary, Oprah Deletes Interviews With Accusers From Her YouTube&quot; via <a href="https://twitter.com/939WKYS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@939WKYS</a><a href="https://t.co/FrfnLV8kZR">https://t.co/FrfnLV8kZR</a></p>&mdash; Juliens Auctions (@JuliensAuctions) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliensAuctions/status/1115997864629379072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> send message to authorities to fix <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> star via following link and RT. Ty<a href="https://t.co/P6yBeqEIHo">https://t.co/P6yBeqEIHo</a> <a href="https://t.co/dfCLWZG5PF">pic.twitter.com/dfCLWZG5PF</a></p>&mdash; Esma Malik (@EsmaMalik12) <a href="https://twitter.com/EsmaMalik12/status/1116055556123516938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Hmmm.... <a href="https://t.co/hinvcGh8F2">https://t.co/hinvcGh8F2</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1116000892841484289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hmmm... is there a way to confirm this?</p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1116012892338266112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Arckangel]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm back with a definitive article on the Neverland train station saga, which puts an end to all doubt <a href="https://t.co/JQkEjm334t">https://t.co/JQkEjm334t</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1115950925393350658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Anna]

Hopefully Amazon have actually seen sense and permanently pulled the physical release. But maybe Reed is just trying to get a clean slate for reviews, since about 90% of them were 1 star.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Hopefully Amazon have actually seen sense and permanently pulled the physical release. But maybe Reed is just trying to get a clean slate for reviews, since about 90% of them were 1 star.

Hm thats possible. Lets have an eye on amazon if LN will appear again there.
But I hope amazon had realized that they don't wanna spread child pornogrophy and support pedophillia with NAMBLA fiction love storys between adults and children.

 

[1nn5]

Will Prince or Paris talk in public about LN in 25th June ?
Actually we don't know.
But I don't expect that from them.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Will Prince or Paris talk in public about LN in 25th June ?
Actually we don't know.
But I don't expect that from them.

Yeah reed would love that.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Bill Whitfield
@MJBODYGUARDS
My book was Not written to prove anything, my book was written to give MJ fans a glimpse to who he was and what he endured. Those that are Not fans of MJ never were and never will be. I will not waste unnecessary time on those that only seek controversey.

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Hes an attention seeker and now its bitten him on the ass. Just like going on about those pictures a few weeks back making himself look stupid. He worked for mj for two mins yet thinks his book gives a look into mjs world. Does he think hes wayne nagin or something. Writing a book after being in such a postion. A professional privilaged postion is disrespectful and tacky.

 

[Word Smith Sr]

If I see those DVD's in stores I am not joking.. I will make sure they are not bought! it's not like many places actually carry many DVD's anyways.. maybe on it's release date, or day after I will drive around my area to see if I can find any.

Congratulations, man. You scared them. Hahaha !

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hmmm... is there a way to confirm this?</p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1116012892338266112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Will Prince or Paris talk in public about LN in 25th June ?
Actually we don't know.
But I don't expect that from them.

I think they will only speak in Tajs documantary about LN and past accusations.
I am veeeeeery sure they are part of it!

Taj said in the podcast with the Michael Jackson Innocent Project about his documantary "when people have seen it they will know who Michael Jackson was and they will know his heart."

That means to me they will definitly show what an incredible father he was and include his children in the documentary.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Bill Whitfield
@MJBODYGUARDS
My book was Not written to prove anything, my book was written to give MJ fans a glimpse to who he was and what he endured. Those that are Not fans of MJ never were and never will be. I will not waste unnecessary time on those that only seek controversey.

775
07:04 - 10. Apr. 2019
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Hes an attention seeker and now its bitten him on the ass. Just like going on about those pictures a few weeks back making himself look stupid. He worked for mj for two mins yet thinks his book gives a look into mjs world. Does he think hes wayne nagin or something. Writing a book after being in such a postion. A professional privilaged postion is disrespectful and tacky.

Hmmm, isn't this a little overly negative about the man? I appreciate that he's been supportive of him ever since this crap started, and from what I understand is that his book isn't about sensationalism or any of that stuff. On Twitter today he said he was offered lots of money to throw MJ under the bus but he never was going to do that. I'm just glad MJ also had trustworthy folks working and looking out for him, and sadly there were plenty snakes and yes men too.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

It is a mybe a little bit off topic but I want to share this video as well from "inaworldoflove".

There are veeeeeery interesting speculations about it in the comment section.

 

[analogue]

Someone posted this on Twitter, and I had to share it here

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

It is a mybe a little bit off topic but I want to share this video as well from "inaworldoflove".

There are veeeeeery interesting speculations about it in the comment section.

Yeah I saw that video too. I couldn't really hear what he was saying though.

Someone posted this on Twitter, and I had to share it here

I love this!

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

I wanna ask this question again to the experts of the Jordan Chandler case:

Did Jordan or any of his Familymembers ever claim that Jordan was molested by Michael at the Neverland Ranch?

I want an 100 Percent sure answer on this question to debunk the story Wade tells about Michael and Jordan in LN!

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Bill Whitfield
@MJBODYGUARDS
My book was Not written to prove anything, my book was written to give MJ fans a glimpse to who he was and what he endured. Those that are Not fans of MJ never were and never will be. I will not waste unnecessary time on those that only seek controversey.

775
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Hes an attention seeker and now its bitten him on the ass. Just like going on about those pictures a few weeks back making himself look stupid. He worked for mj for two mins yet thinks his book gives a look into mjs world. Does he think hes wayne nagin or something. Writing a book after being in such a postion. A professional privilaged postion is disrespectful and tacky.

Bill Whitfield has always respected and supporter Michael. He could have thrown Michael under the bus 10 years ago and didn’t. Maybe I missed something, but why the negativity against Bill?

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Hmmm, isn't this a little overly negative about the man? I appreciate that he's been supportive of him ever since this crap started, and from what I understand is that his book isn't about sensationalism or any of that stuff. On Twitter today he said he was offered lots of money to throw MJ under the bus but he never was going to do that. I'm just glad MJ also had trustworthy folks working and looking out for him, and sadly there were plenty snakes and yes men too.

I agree, is the person really a fan who posted the negativity about Bill or a hater trying to,cause dissent. If it&#8217;s a fan, why be negative of someone who supports MJ. It doesn&#8217;t make any sense and I say ignore the dissenter trying to persuade us to go against Bill.

 

[Amaya]

PRINCE HARRY will work with Oprah Winfrey as co-creators and executive producers on a mental health documentary, Kensington Palace announced today.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...oprah-winfrey-documentary-royal-family-latest

How fake from all of them! Oprah and documentary regarding mental health! Prince Harry lost a lot since he married MM and became a celebrity!

Wow... one has to wonder what his mom would think...

I agree, is the person really a fan who posted the negativity about Bill or a hater trying to,cause dissent. If it’s a fan, why be negative of someone who supports MJ. It doesn’t make any sense and I say ignore the dissenter trying to persuade us to go against Bill.

Apparently Bill had said a few weeks ago that the faxes to the Robsons were fake which is... not very helpful, hence the rant above. I'm glad he's still standing by Michael and even clarified that he wasn't at Neverland back then so he wouldn't be the person to ask about the train station.

 

[terrell]

The nerve of Oprah huh... she tweeted about the unfair treatment by the press of Megan Markle. The hypocrisy is insane. She isn't allowed to ever talk about any kind of unfair treatment. ****ing bitch.

I said the same. She was unfair to MJ.

 

[davidroest]

Speaking of Oprah, she took the interview with the 2 assholes offline this evening. The HBO documentary is under fire right now after the estate put their counterdocumentary online.

 

[KOPV]

What counter documentary from the estate? There was actually one from the estate?

 

[Lightbringer]

Speaking of Oprah, she took the interview with the 2 assholes offline this evening. The HBO documentary is under fire right now after the estate put their counterdocumentary online.

The estate has not put any counter-doc out. A private person named Liam interviewed Brandi & Taj, thats all.

 

[ksat9]

Speaking of Oprah, she took the interview with the 2 assholes offline this evening. The HBO documentary is under fire right now after the estate put their counterdocumentary online.

Are we sure she pulled her videos and are we sure about HBO?
I would hate to spread these and then the big media debunks it making us look crazy.
We already don’t have them on our side at all and I would hate to add more fuel.

PRINCE HARRY will work with Oprah Winfrey as co-creators and executive producers on a mental health documentary, Kensington Palace announced today.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...oprah-winfrey-documentary-royal-family-latest

How fake from all of them! Oprah and documentary regarding mental health! Prince Harry lost a lot since he married MM and became a celebrity!

They are all so damn fake.
How dare you do a special on mental health yet she (and others in that industry) has no regard for Michael’s kids mental health with their lies.
The comments that they’ve received and the comments that they’ve seen about their father from grown ass adults have always disgusted me.
They treat them like they’re not humans with any type of feelings or emotions. They seem to forget that his kids also can be affected mentally by their abuse and bullying.
That lets me know they never cared for these topics of discussions.
Because if they did, they would’ve fact checked and realized spreading serious false accusations about someone can mentally, emotionally, and spiritually affect their well-being.

 

[Smooth72]

I just read HBO confirms they did not pull the doc.

 

[KOPV]

Yup, they are denying pulling the doc.. I'm glad I did not help spread that rumor lol

 

[ksat9]

I knew that we had to check before we make any comments.
We cannot afford to take any steps back after making progress.
Now watch the media report on the movie still being on HBO while ignoring the train station story.