Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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But the reports were correct - the movie was supposed to be on "On Demand" until September, now it's only gonna be there until Wednesday. HBO basically just confirmed this with their statement. They are just trying to spin.......
Ok.
I wished the fans would’ve mentioned the date and not have it seem like it was coming off this week.
I wonder will they still show it on their main channel or is it just going to be on their streaming site.

So Oprah did pull hers down because when I type Oprah on YouTube and Michael’s name I see videos of the news about her pulling her videos down and the only video of Michael that I still see is where he spoke about his vitiligo.
I also went to her OWN and I see nothing about LN.
 
We only speculate a little bit without spreading anything.

But it can really be a great idea for the estate and the Jackson family to try to get their hands on the saved Neverland security film matirial from the ages 1988 til 1996.
This could really absolutly vindicate MJ from the accusations of LN!!!

That is not how security cameras work. The tape records over itself after a period of time. They do not have security footage of every single minute of every day that the cameras were recording.
 
As you can tell from Oprahs interview with Noah she still clearly believes them.

In my opinion, Oprah is too deeply involved at this point, she'll ride it out for as long as she can. I suppose, but folks ain't stupid. Once upon a time, folks would follow Oprah, no questions asked, but those days are gone. Especially in the Urban/Black Community. I'm not an Oprah fan, so I didn't know what she did to Monique (a comedian), until this HBO thing came up.

SHE DID MONIQUE DIRTY, and that's when the Urban/Black Community started cancelling her.

One thing is for sure, Oprah may have known that she would be receiving "some" backlash, but she was not prepared for the AVALANCHE OF HATERATION she did infact receive. Her friends and associates in Hollyweird may love her and continue to lift her up, but regular, everyday folks - Not So Much Anymore.
 
I have an Oprah problem and I will be the first to admit it.

But the fact that all things that have come out have not budged her thinking one iota, says alot. It says, as we have long maintained, that once an accusation is made people make up their minds and very little can change that.

This is why I think we need to put the information out there and expend our energies on those who are willing to listen and engage and keep an open mind.

For whatever reason Oprah is invested in Michael being a child molester. *Shrug* And she certainly needs to ensure that there is no tarnish on her legacy (cause she has had she never wants to end up like Michael). Those of you on social media need to query this - why - despite all that has been revealed - does she not least have questions? Turn back on her. Make a question about the quality of her judgement, ethics and morality.

She should at least have questions!
 
David LaChapelle has a picture of MJ as an angel on his Instagram and MJ stands on top of the devil.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwGeC1sl2AM/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ekw5crdqvcsn

One of the people that likes it is Pamela Anderson . Good on Pam!

Some of the comments though.... "please tell me my favorite photographer isn't a sexual abuse denier." those people need to **** right off. Good on David for standing up for truth.
 
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She should at least have questions!

She's jealous of Michael's success, always was, and always will be. In my opinion.

She knows that she will NEVER reach the heights of his success.

Oprah may be something in the United States of America, but outside of America, she's just another leaf on a tree!!!!
 
That is not how security cameras work. The tape records over itself after a period of time. They do not have security footage of every single minute of every day that the cameras were recording.

Hm.... this could be right BUT we know from MJs Home videos that he seames to like to save much of the footage for himself.
I think the most Neverland outdoor footage we can see there were from this security cameras not from extra hand cameras.

When he liked to save speial moments with the help of the outdoor cameras he will used to not let the cameras directly record over the tapes.
But this is something like a familymember like Taj would have known.
So it is possible that some of the recorded security matirial from the years is somewhere.

It could also be possible that the FBI used the security cameras to supervise MJ by their own.
It could be possible that they had for example an agent in MJs security team to do this.

James also said himself in his lawsuit that MJ had cameras instaled in front of his bedroom door.
This cameras I would absolutly expect from the FBI to use to supervise him and save the recordings!
 
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One of those employees from Shonen Jump got a Michael Jackson figure with anime plushies.

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I have an Oprah problem and I will be the first to admit it.

But the fact that all things that have come out have not budged her thinking one iota, says alot. It says, as we have long maintained, that once an accusation is made people make up their minds and very little can change that.

This is why I think we need to put the information out there and expend our energies on those who are willing to listen and engage and keep an open mind.

For whatever reason Oprah is invested in Michael being a child molester. *Shrug* And she certainly needs to ensure that there is no tarnish on her legacy (cause she has had she never wants to end up like Michael). Those of you on social media need to query this - why - despite all that has been revealed - does she not least have questions? Turn back on her. Make a question about the quality of her judgement, ethics and morality.

She should at least have questions!

After certain things she has said I'm rather suspicious of her myself now. First her covering up for Weinstein, which raises a huge red flag but especially some things she said during After Neverland. That reeks of Dan Reed. And that video Dona posted here shows it.
 
Hm.... this could be right BUT we know from MJs Home videos that he seames to like to save much of the footage for himself.
I think the most Neverland outdoor footage we can see there were from this security cameras not from extra hand cameras.

When he liked to save speial moments with the help of the outdoor cameras he will used to not let the cameras directly record over the tapes.
But this is something like a familymember like Taj would have known.
So it is possible that some of the recorded security matirial from the years is somewhere.

It could also be possible that the FBI used the security cameras to supervise MJ by their own.
It could be possible that they had for example an agent in MJs security team to do this.

James also said himself in his lawsuit that MJ had cameras instaled in front of his bedroom door.
This cameras I would absolutly expect from the FBI to use to supervise him and save the recordings!

I think you'll find there was absolutely zero security camera footage in Private Home Movie's.

And there's no indication that the FBI did anything like that. It seems that the FBI did not conduct their own investigation into the allegations. They simply assisted the police and prosecutors with several things.
 
When I look now into the footage from Michael Jackson Home videos I realize that it debunkes the fabricted story that MJ would repalce Wade or James for Brett or Mc when they becamed too old or reached puberty cause....

IN THE MICHAEL JACKSON HOME VIDEOS IS FOOTAGE FROM MJ AND MC IN 1990 WHEN WADE WAS ONLY 7 AND JAMES WAS ONLY 12!

See here at 4:30

 
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I have LN listed on HBO 4/18-it shows at 2.15am. It lists only part 2.
Oprah's part is still listed on 4/18. It has her showings on 4 times.
4/17 there are 6 showings of both parts-1 and 2.
 
by a german journalist

Leaving Neverland: Who is afraid of the black man?
https://www.fischundfleisch.com/ste...ec-zSHfJ-4ffWhM8WqtaLN3APvugTLd9vNdU_mchguWzk

"We do not see things as they are, but as we are." From the Talmud

I'm not a Michael Jackson fan, nor was I ever one. In my eyes, he was an eccentric pop star who had a thing for little boys he probably also sexually abused. A psychologically conspicuous man whose home was found to contain child pornography and strange images of handcuffed children, who silenced his victims by millions and bleached his skin to look like a white man.

My impression of Jackson got cracks when the pop star died in 2009. In the following days I wanted to make a more differentiated picture of Jackson, off the medial narrative and found not only a bunch of fist thick medial lies (actually had Jackson, as he also emphasized, the skin disease vitiligo, which at the latest at the autopsy Certainty), but also tons of inconsistencies concerning the allegations of sexual abuse in 1993 and 2005. Although the seed of doubt was sown, I continued to believe the allegations and my motivation to play detective here was to end, because Jackson did not matter in my life.

It was not until this year, in 2019, when the documentary »Leaving Neverland« was born, that I wanted to know for sure. Wade Robson and James Safechuck accuse the King Of Pop of sexually abusing them for years. The documentary struck like a bomb, because now he was finally here: The proof that Jackson was always guilty. Apart from a few media that drew a more nuanced picture here, that was the mainstream canon and to be honest, that's exactly what I thought. So I did not go to work so enthusiastically and just wanted to finish it for myself.

But what shocked me even more than the documentation itself was that you did not have to be Columbo to find obvious inconsistencies in the personal background of the two and in the story they were telling. These things are open and are only a few clicks away in times of the internet. This article is not about listing all the inconsistencies (and there are innumerable ones) in Wade Robson and James Safechuck's story, but the display of the present media power, which defines what truth has to go down in history. In summary, I would like to say in advance that my weeklong journey into human abysses, which not only dealt with the current allegations of abuse, very soon shifted the focus away from Jackson and to the alleged victims, in the end to focus on ourselves.

What does it mean when the otherwise absent father of the alleged victim Jordan Chandler in 1993, even before he drugged his son to obtain a confession, had already spoken in recorded telephone conversations weeks earlier that he was destroying the Jackson family? and after Jackson refused to pay him a $ 20 million film? What does it mean when Jordan Chandler, after Jackson paid him off (Jackson wanted the process to prove his innocence, but was persuaded by the management and Elizabeth Taylor to settle the matter with money Jackson was then in debt and he would have his due to the process, he would probably have lost his beloved Neverland Ranch), broke off contact with his mother and father, and has not spoken to his mother to this day (his father died a few months after Jackson died) around)?

What does it mean if the Arvizos were well known for their collective raids long before their allegations? What does it mean when Jackson, when he became acquainted with the Arvizos, was warned in advance of this family by several celebrities (Jay Leno, Chris Tucker, George Lopez, ...), because they themselves had made acquaintance with them and their cheeky demands However, Jackson ignored these warnings, which he then bitterly regretted in 2005? What does it mean if the plaintiffs who used the same psychiatrist and lawyer as the Chandlers in 1993 became involved in such serious, even ridiculous contradictions in court, as if they had not even thought it over in advance? The acquittal was straightforward, and if you look at Gavin Arvizo's testimony to the police on video, you will not see a victim there, but a bored child with no signs of trauma or shame, and in between when the police leave the room, too likes to prove his basketball skills with a crumpled piece of paper and a trash can.

Today, when all police and FBI files are publicly available, one first becomes aware of how strongly Jackson's medially drawn image deviated from reality. For example, the alleged child pornography content in the 2005 trial included four completely legal and harmless art books, three of which also contained pictures of naked children, from a collection of 10,000 completely unsuspicious books. And the "deviant pictures" referred to a (!) Picture in a (!) Book, which did not market aberrant art, but artistically worked up childish traumas - something with which, the child Michael Jackson beaten to unconsciousness had more than enough experience , The nude photo of a child was again a photo of a child in infancy of a boy who always insisted on Jackson's innocence, etc., etc.)

What about the current allegations? Here is the history that led to this documentary, much more interesting than the documentation itself. Please read this confirmed monkey circus Robson on his lawsuit against the Jackson Real Estate by and then ask yourself if this man a reliable witness.

Wade Robson, who was sent to cross-examination by Jackson's lawyer in 2005 as a 23-year-old boy after Jackson abused him as a child for seven years at any opportunity. Wade Robson, who, after exposing his allegations, set up a charity organization where he claimed on his homepage that his wife Amanda was also a victim of sexual abuse, which clearly denies them in the documentary shown (a mistake, Robson immediately corrected, but there are screenshots). Wade Robson, who wanted to marry his wife Amanda at Neverland Ranch, the place where he was abused for seven years. Wade Robson, who scattered roses all over the place, asking for a Jackson tribute show in 2011 and Jackson, after refusing to write a book about Jackson's abuse in 2012 that does not have a publishing house wanted. Wade Robson, who changed the story of his abuse tens of times since 2012, to finally tell her in 2019 in incredible detail obsession. Wade Robson, who questioned his mother in e-mails about the truth of a story he had snatched up, exposing them as a lie ("Wow, none of that is true"), and then incorporating them into his allegations anyway. Wade Robson, who melodramasically burns his fan devotions in "Leaving Neverland," which are all counterfeits because he proved he sold the real items back in 2011 due to monetary problems. Wade Robson, who studiously concealed his $ 100 million lawsuit against Jackson Real Estate. Wade Robson, who completely forgot to mention in the documentary, that Jackson, at his request, made him acquainted with his niece Brandi Jackson, into which he had a crush on himself exactly at the time he loved Michael Jackson and almost him abused daily, anal penetrated bloody and taught him to hate women.
Wade Robson, who quite forgot to mention that he "went out" with said Brandi Jackson from that point on and developed into a serious 8-year relationship, which finally ended in 2002, when Robson and his girlfriend Brandi with several women, u.a. Britney Spears cheated. Wade Robson, who felt intimidated by Jackson having lunch with his family, was forced to say the untruth at the trial in 2005, although the lunch actually took place after (!) The trial, as confirmed not only by the Jackson family, but also and other witnesses, such as Brett Barnes, who, in turn, together with Macaulay Culkin, took the place of Robson and Safechuck on the side of Jackson, when they were too old. Both defend Jackson to this day and Barnes is preparing a lawsuit against HBO because the documentary suggests he was abused by Jackson.

James Safechuck, who was implored by Jackson to testify and feel his anger when he said no, even though Safechuck did not appear on any witness list and never, in any way, was relevant to the process in any way. James Safechuck, who realized only in 2013 that he was abused by Jackson, whose mother danced with joy in 2009, when Jackson died. James Safechuck claims to have been abused in the Neverland train station, although it was not completed until 1994. At this time, Safechuck was already 16 years old and the alleged abuse was already over for 2 years.

Imagining these inconsistencies inevitably raises the question of how to spread the accusations that are served in Leaving Neverland so unchallenged. Either a journalist does not know these things, then he is unfit for his job. Or he knows these things and still writes tendentious articles to the detriment of Jackson, then this contradicts all journalistic standards and he is unsuitable for his job. Or he knows these things and scandalized Jackson against a better monster, then he is a liar and unfit for his job. Although I'm not sure if the latter is not even a requirement for some open journalist posts. For the director Dan Reed this is certainly true, for example when he shamelessly shortens the documentary by 45 minutes in order to clear it of all vulnerable statements.

One could pass on endlessly and contrary to the opinion of the media, according to which various Michael Jackson fan pages are painting their parallel world of conspiracy theories, excellent and highly respectable detective work is done there, which makes the vast majority of journalists, whose job this research should actually be, look pale. There you can find the facts. In "Leaving Neverland," just the accusations without the spark of proof. This raises the question: how is it possible that the media propagate this story completely unreflective and their articles usually only act on whether you can separate the music of Jackson from the monster Jackson? Here we come to the heart of my article, which will inevitably be shorter after the initiation has been longer than expected.

For one thing, Michael Jackson was and is an easy victim. Which adult man surrounds himself most of the time with strange children and lets them sleep in his bedroom? For another, Jackson, despite his wealth, was simply a pop singer with no political weight. Did you know, for example, that in the 1996 Dutroux scandal in Belgium, 27 witnesses lost their lives before they could testify in court? Probably not, because when it comes to the political establishment - and it is obvious that influential forces were behind this child molester scandal - the media prefer to hold back in anticipatory obedience. Did you know that a huge pedophile scandal is currently surfacing in the UK, involving high-ranking politicians, judges, police officers, and probably even intelligence officials, or at best, you've read it "further down the drain"?

Jackson's harmless way of dealing with children has a strange effect on us within our cultural norms, and yet there is a psychological explanation for this aside from sexual interests. If we blame Michael Jackson unthinkingly for these things, that says more about us than about Michael Jackson. Carl Gustav Jung called it the shadow that we do not want to see in ourselves and therefore project it onto others in order to hate you for it. Do you still know which girls were perceived as "sluts" or "snooty" in your youth? What did all these girls have in common? They were pretty! And so the less great guys had to depreciate them because they knew they would never get them to bed and the less pretty girls had to depreciate them to stabilize their self worth. This is a classic shadow of youth. Our collective shadow in Jackson's case is not a pedophile offender, but it reflects our unquestionable cultural norms that make it obvious that we have lost all connection to innocent access to children, and even lost our inner child, which is now pathological has, for example, when we are already startled, when a strange man even addresses our child or even censors the sexual parts of babies on television. This is our illness and Jackson has pointed it out to us in an extreme way, which is why we have to label him as a pervert in order to perceive ourselves as healthy.

We do not even realize that with Michael Jackson we re-stage the basic structure of a myth that we all know is the Christ Allegory. Unlike Jackson with his human errors, Christ is the archetype of the innocent human being. He did not provoke a specific shadow in the human reaction but all the shadows. As a man without sin, according to the myth, his sheer existence was unbearable for his environment - it reminded people of their own sinfulness. Some recognized their shadows through Christ, repented and followed his example. Others, in their search for sins in this symbol of purity, plundered and conspired against him. Unlike Jackson, Christ did not resist the accusations, but took on the shadow of the angry people projected on him and was crucified by them. With this act of self-abandonment, Christ reflected all shadows back on their originators, so offered no attack surface and thus forced the people to become aware of their evil sides and to face them. Christ did not die for our sins, but because of our sins. With his crucifixion, we crucified everything we hated of ourselves, which is why the elevated cross should always remind us of our own sins and therefore became a symbol of repentance and repentance.

Actually, we must be grateful to Wade Robson and James Safechuck for giving them the chance to reopen the entire media-distorted history of Jackson, and I have this strange feeling that it could end this time with a bang, the Jackson forever cleanses. I make no secret of the fact that I think Michael Jackson is now completely innocent and he has wrested in the course of my research a lot of respect, for all the good that he did to other people. This man, who never recovered from the allegations in 1993 and won a Pyrrhic victory in 2005 as a broken man and finally broke it, was a victim of our cultural shadow. It was a crusade against a shy, fragile and sensitive man who could only be himself in the presence of children who meant everything to him. A man betrayed by money-hungry parents and crucified by the media under the applause of onlookers because of the belief in "the pure goodness of humankind," as Wade Robson wrote in a 2009 article after Jackson's death ("he is [ ... one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind "), some seem unbearable.
 
David LaChapelle has a picture of MJ as an angel on his Instagram and MJ stands on top of the devil.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwGeC1sl2AM/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ekw5crdqvcsn

One of the people that likes it is Pamela Anderson . Good on Pam!

Some of the comments though.... "please tell me my favorite photographer isn't a sexual abuse denier." those people need to **** right off. Good on David for standing up for truth.

Some one in the comments stated LN part 1 has been watched 7.5million times. Second most watched video on HBO. Any one know if that's true. I thought the viewing figures were crap?
 
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After certain things she has said I'm rather suspicious of her myself now. First her covering up for Weinstein, which raises a huge red flag but especially some things she said during After Neverland. That reeks of Dan Reed. And that video Dona posted here shows it.

I find it in this context also very interesting what oprah said in the beginning of the interview to Dan Reed....maybe I will quote it later.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oprah and Trevor Noah's refusal to look at BOTH sides of the claim are irresponsible, reckless and frankly, an abuse of power. <a href="https://t.co/12F2azCFdg">https://t.co/12F2azCFdg</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1116344818332889096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">REPORT: ‘Leaving Neverland’ Discrepancy Found In Key Part Of Film Denouncing Michael Jackson <a href="https://t.co/VaDNlT4vv0">https://t.co/VaDNlT4vv0</a></p>&mdash; The Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1116053364008030208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="de" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> Michael is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/superinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#superinnocent</a> &#9994;&#127995;<a href="https://t.co/cn40F8DOXs">https://t.co/cn40F8DOXs</a> <a href="https://t.co/r6tN0yjHAt">pic.twitter.com/r6tN0yjHAt</a></p>&mdash; Monika (@boAgienessy) <a href="https://twitter.com/boAgienessy/status/1116371128124149762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you so much for standing up for Michael Jackson. &#128522;<br><br>It's the truth and integrity that ultimately matter! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/6gQqiZqU4w">https://t.co/6gQqiZqU4w</a></p>&mdash; Megha Sridhar (@MeghaSridhara) <a href="https://twitter.com/MeghaSridhara/status/1116390284483366912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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I find it in this context also very interesting what oprah said in the beginning of the interview to Dan Reed....maybe I will quote it later.

Yeah I'd like to see that because I haven't watched her little show, or am I gonna.

It's just crazy, her speaking for a boy of seven, she can't ever say such a thing. And a abuser can be good? She's just as bad as Reed with how he says things, makes them all look very Pro nambla too.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We live in this new way of life where being first is better than being correct! They slandered his name, they tried to ruin his image, they wanted the ratings, they wanted the likes and… <a href="https://t.co/s1AZMc8in3">https://t.co/s1AZMc8in3</a></p>&mdash; Stephanie Mills (@PrettyMill1) <a href="https://twitter.com/PrettyMill1/status/1116101354718625792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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We live in this new way of life where being first is better than being correct! They slandered his name, they tried to ruin his image, they wanted the ratings, they wanted the likes and clicks and all they got was embarrassed and humbled for being ambulance chasers! #HBO, #Oprah and all involved, owe my friend #MichaelJackson, his family and friends an apology for what they did. I really want y’all to have that same energy to right what y’all know was so wrong when y’all took the word of two individuals that had zero credibility when y’all sat down with them. You can’t blame them for trying, however when the pros go low...we go high! #GodDontLikeUgly...and he ain’t that cool with pretty either. What y’all did was unprofessional and ugly! We have got to do better and we have to stop with the assignation of people who are no longer here to defend themselves. I love and miss you Michael. Go ahead my friend and Moon Walk into your greatness. Because NO weapon formed against you shall prosper&#128591;&#127998;&#128591;&#127998;&#129332;&#127997;&#129332;&#127997;&#127908;&#127926;

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I sincerely wish Oprah could have afforded my former boss, Mr.Jackson, the same respect. At the very least, she could have gotten the facts straight. She certainly enjoyed all the comforts of Neverland when I saw her and her crew in the kitchen in 1993, the day of the interview.</p>&mdash; Judi Brisse (@JudiBrisse) <a href="https://twitter.com/JudiBrisse/status/1116029621479198721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mo’Nique Slams Oprah For Interviewing Michael Jackson Accusers: ‘That Man Welcomed You To Into His Home’<a href="https://t.co/IrCMbhTvyC">https://t.co/IrCMbhTvyC</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Harris (@JohnnyAi) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnnyAi/status/1116147214756319232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shout out to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFAM?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFAM</a> still going hard and fighting every day to defend Michael against these con artists. <br><br>I had to take a break for my own sanity. Progress has definitely been made, but it's still too much at times. It's frustrating to say the least!</p>&mdash; ithl123 (@ithl123) <a href="https://twitter.com/ithl123/status/1115903606664912896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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I think people are making too many assumptions on why LN run has been reduced or that they no longer believe in it. As you can tell from Oprahs interview with Noah she still clearly believes them.

It's not doing us any good throwing around wild theories in that it could be due to the FBI or whatever. Just be glad it's removed and if we find out why then we can possibly comment.

There are still lots of people who believe those idiots.
To a point now, i am glad Oprah said this on Noah, NOW, it is going to open people up to see what that is all about. She talks about TRAMA, well, how can someone have "trama to forget and mix up" YET still wanted to hang around that person and defend then for many more years even though there was 24/7 coverage talking about that person and a trial years later? See why her comment is stupid.
 
Oprah is being crucified in the Yahoo comments section. She has removed the snake smiley and other negative smilies from her comments options. I don't know what to say, but it does seem she is getting a lot of backlash for what she has done and it does seem the 'hate' she is receiving is not from mi's fans alone.
 
Oprah is being crucified in the Yahoo comments section. She has removed the snake smiley and other negative smilies from her comments options. I don't know what to say, but it does seem she is getting a lot of backlash for what she has done and it does seem the 'hate' she is receiving is not from mi's fans alone.

Good! Hope more hate will follow. Better yet, she along with her buddies should be investigated. I can't get it out of my head the things she has said. There are things you just don't say as a human being, but she did. I used to laugh it off when I saw videos on YouTube with "Oprah a pedophile" and now I'm not laughing anymore.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently, not cancelled. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TodayInHollywood?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TodayInHollywood</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFAM?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFAM</a> <a href="https://t.co/AfdBYvZIK3">pic.twitter.com/AfdBYvZIK3</a></p>&mdash; Chino (@Chino_J706) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chino_J706/status/1116143800101904384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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I think you'll find there was absolutely zero security camera footage in Private Home Movie's.

And there's no indication that the FBI did anything like that. It seems that the FBI did not conduct their own investigation into the allegations. They simply assisted the police and prosecutors with several things.

Which is more than enough. What could have they done more when Sneddon got 100+ plus search warrants? maybe search the seven computers seized from Neverland for the keyword "gay" and sleep on the (0) results found until after he died. If they found 'gay' material, he is watching male on male sex he is a paedophile. when they found nothing, the honourable FBI slept on the evidence for years and kept it hidden from the defence.
 
Who is Judi Brisse ?
Did she really worked in Neverland, and what was her Job there ?
 
Paris78;4254551 said:
by a german journalist

Leaving Neverland: Who is afraid of the black man?
https://www.fischundfleisch.com/ste...ec-zSHfJ-4ffWhM8WqtaLN3APvugTLd9vNdU_mchguWzk

"We do not see things as they are, but as we are." From the Talmud

I'm not a Michael Jackson fan, nor was I ever one. In my eyes, he was an eccentric pop star who had a thing for little boys he probably also sexually abused. A psychologically conspicuous man whose home was found to contain child pornography and strange images of handcuffed children, who silenced his victims by millions and bleached his skin to look like a white man.

My impression of Jackson got cracks when the pop star died in 2009. In the following days I wanted to make a more differentiated picture of Jackson, off the medial narrative and found not only a bunch of fist thick medial lies (actually had Jackson, as he also emphasized, the skin disease vitiligo, which at the latest at the autopsy Certainty), but also tons of inconsistencies concerning the allegations of sexual abuse in 1993 and 2005. Although the seed of doubt was sown, I continued to believe the allegations and my motivation to play detective here was to end, because Jackson did not matter in my life.

It was not until this year, in 2019, when the documentary »Leaving Neverland« was born, that I wanted to know for sure. Wade Robson and James Safechuck accuse the King Of Pop of sexually abusing them for years. The documentary struck like a bomb, because now he was finally here: The proof that Jackson was always guilty. Apart from a few media that drew a more nuanced picture here, that was the mainstream canon and to be honest, that's exactly what I thought. So I did not go to work so enthusiastically and just wanted to finish it for myself.

But what shocked me even more than the documentation itself was that you did not have to be Columbo to find obvious inconsistencies in the personal background of the two and in the story they were telling. These things are open and are only a few clicks away in times of the internet. This article is not about listing all the inconsistencies (and there are innumerable ones) in Wade Robson and James Safechuck's story, but the display of the present media power, which defines what truth has to go down in history. In summary, I would like to say in advance that my weeklong journey into human abysses, which not only dealt with the current allegations of abuse, very soon shifted the focus away from Jackson and to the alleged victims, in the end to focus on ourselves.

What does it mean when the otherwise absent father of the alleged victim Jordan Chandler in 1993, even before he drugged his son to obtain a confession, had already spoken in recorded telephone conversations weeks earlier that he was destroying the Jackson family? and after Jackson refused to pay him a $ 20 million film? What does it mean when Jordan Chandler, after Jackson paid him off (Jackson wanted the process to prove his innocence, but was persuaded by the management and Elizabeth Taylor to settle the matter with money Jackson was then in debt and he would have his due to the process, he would probably have lost his beloved Neverland Ranch), broke off contact with his mother and father, and has not spoken to his mother to this day (his father died a few months after Jackson died) around)?

What does it mean if the Arvizos were well known for their collective raids long before their allegations? What does it mean when Jackson, when he became acquainted with the Arvizos, was warned in advance of this family by several celebrities (Jay Leno, Chris Tucker, George Lopez, ...), because they themselves had made acquaintance with them and their cheeky demands However, Jackson ignored these warnings, which he then bitterly regretted in 2005? What does it mean if the plaintiffs who used the same psychiatrist and lawyer as the Chandlers in 1993 became involved in such serious, even ridiculous contradictions in court, as if they had not even thought it over in advance? The acquittal was straightforward, and if you look at Gavin Arvizo's testimony to the police on video, you will not see a victim there, but a bored child with no signs of trauma or shame, and in between when the police leave the room, too likes to prove his basketball skills with a crumpled piece of paper and a trash can.

Today, when all police and FBI files are publicly available, one first becomes aware of how strongly Jackson's medially drawn image deviated from reality. For example, the alleged child pornography content in the 2005 trial included four completely legal and harmless art books, three of which also contained pictures of naked children, from a collection of 10,000 completely unsuspicious books. And the "deviant pictures" referred to a (!) Picture in a (!) Book, which did not market aberrant art, but artistically worked up childish traumas - something with which, the child Michael Jackson beaten to unconsciousness had more than enough experience , The nude photo of a child was again a photo of a child in infancy of a boy who always insisted on Jackson's innocence, etc., etc.)

What about the current allegations? Here is the history that led to this documentary, much more interesting than the documentation itself. Please read this confirmed monkey circus Robson on his lawsuit against the Jackson Real Estate by and then ask yourself if this man a reliable witness.

Wade Robson, who was sent to cross-examination by Jackson's lawyer in 2005 as a 23-year-old boy after Jackson abused him as a child for seven years at any opportunity. Wade Robson, who, after exposing his allegations, set up a charity organization where he claimed on his homepage that his wife Amanda was also a victim of sexual abuse, which clearly denies them in the documentary shown (a mistake, Robson immediately corrected, but there are screenshots). Wade Robson, who wanted to marry his wife Amanda at Neverland Ranch, the place where he was abused for seven years. Wade Robson, who scattered roses all over the place, asking for a Jackson tribute show in 2011 and Jackson, after refusing to write a book about Jackson's abuse in 2012 that does not have a publishing house wanted. Wade Robson, who changed the story of his abuse tens of times since 2012, to finally tell her in 2019 in incredible detail obsession. Wade Robson, who questioned his mother in e-mails about the truth of a story he had snatched up, exposing them as a lie ("Wow, none of that is true"), and then incorporating them into his allegations anyway. Wade Robson, who melodramasically burns his fan devotions in "Leaving Neverland," which are all counterfeits because he proved he sold the real items back in 2011 due to monetary problems. Wade Robson, who studiously concealed his $ 100 million lawsuit against Jackson Real Estate. Wade Robson, who completely forgot to mention in the documentary, that Jackson, at his request, made him acquainted with his niece Brandi Jackson, into which he had a crush on himself exactly at the time he loved Michael Jackson and almost him abused daily, anal penetrated bloody and taught him to hate women.
Wade Robson, who quite forgot to mention that he "went out" with said Brandi Jackson from that point on and developed into a serious 8-year relationship, which finally ended in 2002, when Robson and his girlfriend Brandi with several women, u.a. Britney Spears cheated. Wade Robson, who felt intimidated by Jackson having lunch with his family, was forced to say the untruth at the trial in 2005, although the lunch actually took place after (!) The trial, as confirmed not only by the Jackson family, but also and other witnesses, such as Brett Barnes, who, in turn, together with Macaulay Culkin, took the place of Robson and Safechuck on the side of Jackson, when they were too old. Both defend Jackson to this day and Barnes is preparing a lawsuit against HBO because the documentary suggests he was abused by Jackson.

James Safechuck, who was implored by Jackson to testify and feel his anger when he said no, even though Safechuck did not appear on any witness list and never, in any way, was relevant to the process in any way. James Safechuck, who realized only in 2013 that he was abused by Jackson, whose mother danced with joy in 2009, when Jackson died. James Safechuck claims to have been abused in the Neverland train station, although it was not completed until 1994. At this time, Safechuck was already 16 years old and the alleged abuse was already over for 2 years.

Imagining these inconsistencies inevitably raises the question of how to spread the accusations that are served in Leaving Neverland so unchallenged. Either a journalist does not know these things, then he is unfit for his job. Or he knows these things and still writes tendentious articles to the detriment of Jackson, then this contradicts all journalistic standards and he is unsuitable for his job. Or he knows these things and scandalized Jackson against a better monster, then he is a liar and unfit for his job. Although I'm not sure if the latter is not even a requirement for some open journalist posts. For the director Dan Reed this is certainly true, for example when he shamelessly shortens the documentary by 45 minutes in order to clear it of all vulnerable statements.

One could pass on endlessly and contrary to the opinion of the media, according to which various Michael Jackson fan pages are painting their parallel world of conspiracy theories, excellent and highly respectable detective work is done there, which makes the vast majority of journalists, whose job this research should actually be, look pale. There you can find the facts. In "Leaving Neverland," just the accusations without the spark of proof. This raises the question: how is it possible that the media propagate this story completely unreflective and their articles usually only act on whether you can separate the music of Jackson from the monster Jackson? Here we come to the heart of my article, which will inevitably be shorter after the initiation has been longer than expected.

For one thing, Michael Jackson was and is an easy victim. Which adult man surrounds himself most of the time with strange children and lets them sleep in his bedroom? For another, Jackson, despite his wealth, was simply a pop singer with no political weight. Did you know, for example, that in the 1996 Dutroux scandal in Belgium, 27 witnesses lost their lives before they could testify in court? Probably not, because when it comes to the political establishment - and it is obvious that influential forces were behind this child molester scandal - the media prefer to hold back in anticipatory obedience. Did you know that a huge pedophile scandal is currently surfacing in the UK, involving high-ranking politicians, judges, police officers, and probably even intelligence officials, or at best, you've read it "further down the drain"?

Jackson's harmless way of dealing with children has a strange effect on us within our cultural norms, and yet there is a psychological explanation for this aside from sexual interests. If we blame Michael Jackson unthinkingly for these things, that says more about us than about Michael Jackson. Carl Gustav Jung called it the shadow that we do not want to see in ourselves and therefore project it onto others in order to hate you for it. Do you still know which girls were perceived as "sluts" or "snooty" in your youth? What did all these girls have in common? They were pretty! And so the less great guys had to depreciate them because they knew they would never get them to bed and the less pretty girls had to depreciate them to stabilize their self worth. This is a classic shadow of youth. Our collective shadow in Jackson's case is not a pedophile offender, but it reflects our unquestionable cultural norms that make it obvious that we have lost all connection to innocent access to children, and even lost our inner child, which is now pathological has, for example, when we are already startled, when a strange man even addresses our child or even censors the sexual parts of babies on television. This is our illness and Jackson has pointed it out to us in an extreme way, which is why we have to label him as a pervert in order to perceive ourselves as healthy.

We do not even realize that with Michael Jackson we re-stage the basic structure of a myth that we all know is the Christ Allegory. Unlike Jackson with his human errors, Christ is the archetype of the innocent human being. He did not provoke a specific shadow in the human reaction but all the shadows. As a man without sin, according to the myth, his sheer existence was unbearable for his environment - it reminded people of their own sinfulness. Some recognized their shadows through Christ, repented and followed his example. Others, in their search for sins in this symbol of purity, plundered and conspired against him. Unlike Jackson, Christ did not resist the accusations, but took on the shadow of the angry people projected on him and was crucified by them. With this act of self-abandonment, Christ reflected all shadows back on their originators, so offered no attack surface and thus forced the people to become aware of their evil sides and to face them. Christ did not die for our sins, but because of our sins. With his crucifixion, we crucified everything we hated of ourselves, which is why the elevated cross should always remind us of our own sins and therefore became a symbol of repentance and repentance.

Actually, we must be grateful to Wade Robson and James Safechuck for giving them the chance to reopen the entire media-distorted history of Jackson, and I have this strange feeling that it could end this time with a bang, the Jackson forever cleanses. I make no secret of the fact that I think Michael Jackson is now completely innocent and he has wrested in the course of my research a lot of respect, for all the good that he did to other people. This man, who never recovered from the allegations in 1993 and won a Pyrrhic victory in 2005 as a broken man and finally broke it, was a victim of our cultural shadow. It was a crusade against a shy, fragile and sensitive man who could only be himself in the presence of children who meant everything to him. A man betrayed by money-hungry parents and crucified by the media under the applause of onlookers because of the belief in "the pure goodness of humankind," as Wade Robson wrote in a 2009 article after Jackson's death ("he is [ ... one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind "), some seem unbearable.

Helps to read longer articles backward sometimes. The bolded part rings so true to me. I'm so grateful that at least this LN sh*t show prompts some individuals to dig deeper into the allegations only to resurface as fans.
 
Oprah is being crucified in the Yahoo comments section. She has removed the snake smiley and other negative smilies from her comments options. I don't know what to say, but it does seem she is getting a lot of backlash for what she has done and it does seem the 'hate' she is receiving is not from mi's fans alone.
Co-Sign!!!

She is also getting hammered on all of the Urban Blogs I visit. I really thought it would have died down, but NOPE!!! Folks are going hard on her and folks are mad.

Oh and regarding Oprah, that dang SNAKE EMOJI is running rampant!!!!!!

P.S. I also believe that the call to "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH," has also been working. I've seen so many people say that they "did a little Goggle search," and it changed their mind regarding Michael.
 
Oprah will find an explanation for everything.

I don't see how she can climb down from this horse, not without disgracing herself.
 
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