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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I think I found out anouther inconcistancy betwenn LN and James Lawsuit.
There is a HUGE difference between the Hawaii interview in LN and James lawsuit where it is also mentioned.

This says the LN script:

Michaels voice:
*"We're in the air on our way home from Hawaii, thousands offeet in the air on a DC10. I've had a wonderful time with Jimmy" '

Jimmy says:
*"Are*you taping?"

*Michael says;
*"sure, you can ask anything

Jimmy says:
*"How did you like Hawaii, what was your like best thing?"

*Michael says:
*"My best thing about Hawaii? Being with you"

Jimmy says;
*"how do you feel about, aum.. performing and stuff, do you likeit?"

*Michael says:
*"I love performing, it is the greatest thing in the world,becauseaauummm I feel at home on stage, I could live on stage, I'm the mosthappiest when I'm on stage and when I'm with Jimmy and Safechuck."
"The bestcommercial, of all the Pepsi commercial it's the one that you and I did. I'mnot just saying that, that's the best one.. Cause it has heart, every time Isee it, it makes me smile. And I*hope to be*you*us friends for*a long..forever, for a long time. Goodbye, signing off. Bye."

The interviewversion in James complain you can read under this link on page 8 in point 18:

https://de.scribd.com/document/324761203/James-Safechuck-September-19-2016-Second-Amended-Complaint

Did they use an voice impresator(s) in LN?
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
That is old news though, isn't it? I remember reading about this a month or maybe longer ago.
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Yeah I think is was covered in one of the mean machine videos as welI I belive.
But it would explain why they aired a childporngraphic NAMBLA fiction movie to nomalize Pedophilia.
What is when the co founder is a NAMBLA member?
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Yeah I think is was cobvered in one of the mean machine videos as welI I belive.
But it would explain why they aired a childporngraphic NAMBLA fiction movie to nomalize Pedophilia.
What when the co founder is a NAMBLA member?
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Exactly. They are slowly trying to normalize it and it's incredibly scary. Today I read this.

https://www.cchrint.org/2017/12/21/american-psychiatric-association-pedophilia-adisordernotacrime/

As for the tabloids now covering Wade shopping a book, hey the news is old as hell and we've been sending it to them since the start of this, but better late than never! You'd think with those kind of revelations now coming out that sooner rather than later many more people will start to side with the truth?

On Twitter just now someone said that even if Wade and James were to admit that they all lied, some people would still see them as victims. And it's true, some people truly are so far gone into their ridiculous hatred for the man.
 
I've been away on Holiday for a week and refused to read up about anything Michael related when I was away, mostly for my own sanity lol! It seems that progress has defo been made which is refreshing and I think more people now are turning against the two accusers which is good.

I was on Holiday in Gran Canaria which is part of Spain but near Africa and I heard Michael on the radio a lot over there, nearly every day in-fact. I heard TWYMMF, APOM and Beat It and a few others so that was nice. Tribute acts were still being advertised over there as well in some of the restaurants and bars
 
I don't know how old the story is, BUT The Associated Press is reporting it today. This is my first time hearing this story and I find it very interesting.
 
TMZ just mentioned how HBO has shutdown the rumors of taking down the Movie. TMZ "cant believe" that people arent reacting to MJ the same as R Kelly smh.
After Part 1 of the movie aired they interviewed taj and they said when part 2 airs they would like to interview him again. No surprise, that 2nd interview never happened. Taj destroyed Wade in the first interview. Taj and Brandi would own Harvey and Charles if they had the chance. Mainstream Media is a joke. Again, Defamation of the dead should not be legal. Its sick.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I think I found out anouther inconcistancy betwenn LN and James Lawsuit.
There is a HUGE difference between the Hawaii interview in LN and James lawsuit where it is also mentioned.

This says the LN script:

Michaels voice:
*"We're in the air on our way home from Hawaii, thousands offeet in the air on a DC10. I've had a wonderful time with Jimmy" '

Jimmy says:
*"Are*you taping?"

*Michael says;
*"sure, you can ask anything

Jimmy says:
*"How did you like Hawaii, what was your like best thing?"

*Michael says:
*"My best thing about Hawaii? Being with you"

Jimmy says;
*"how do you feel about, aum.. performing and stuff, do you likeit?"

*Michael says:
*"I love performing, it is the greatest thing in the world,becauseaauummm I feel at home on stage, I could live on stage, I'm the mosthappiest when I'm on stage and when I'm with Jimmy and Safechuck."
"The bestcommercial, of all the Pepsi commercial it's the one that you and I did. I'mnot just saying that, that's the best one.. Cause it has heart, every time Isee it, it makes me smile. And I*hope to be*you*us friends for*a long..forever, for a long time. Goodbye, signing off. Bye."

The interviewversion in James complain you can read under this link on page 8 in point 18:

https://de.scribd.com/document/324761203/James-Safechuck-September-19-2016-Second-Amended-Complaint

Did they use an voice impresator(s) in LN?
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i don't think so. Greed just cut it to make it sounds creepy
 
Trinity303 said:
Sorry, but is anyone else just really annoyed right now??
I can't wait til all this gets exposed and all these hypocritical celebs come out and say how they're Michael's "biggest fan"
Give me a break. I just can't believe the hypocrisy.
Like, I get it. We're in the "me too" era. You have to "believe all victims" or whatever.
But all these celebs who were claiming to be "fans" have no respect from me.
They care about their own reputation. They couldn't care less about MJ.
If you can't defend someone who you claim is your biggest inspiration because you're scared of backlash then I don't wanna hear from you.
Where's Zac Efron and Justin Timberlake? Where's Mariah Carey? Rihanna?
Even Ellen Degeneres told Liza Minelli she was a "big fan" of Michael. Yea right.
Or these people who claim to be "big fans" but clearly AREN'T because if they were they would have been done research about this whole thing ages ago.

I just can't deal with it. So fake, so hypocritical.
And when the truth comes out, everyone's gonna act like it was some big secret when it's literally been all over twitter for weeks.
I don't wanna see any of these celebrities come out on MJ's birthday with their "Happy Birthday MJ! You're a legend!" tweets
I'm so over the media. So over all these celebrities.

If you can't stand by someone when they're being dragged through the mud, then don't stand by them ever.
I remember how everyone turned their back on Michael in 2005, and then when he died everyone and their mother was his "best friend"
And they all had stories about him. They probably only listen to Billie Jean and watch the Thriller video on Halloween.

I'm so glad Diana Ross and the other VERY FEW celebs that actually have come out and supported MJ PUBLICLY did it when things were terrible.
When things start getting exposed and other people start making statements, I hope no one gives them the time of day.
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Yeah I can't deny that I'm really disappointed in many celebs. I definitely expected Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie etc to speak out. On the other hand Taj said in a recent interview that he even told some people to not do it, not draw any attention to it. So I guess there's that.

I don't really remember anymore, but how was it when MJ was arrested and when the trial started? Were these celebs just as silent then too?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yeah I can't deny that I'm really disappointed in many celebs. I definitely expected Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie etc to speak out. On the other hand Taj said in a recent interview that he even told some people to not do it, not draw any attention to it. So I guess there's that.

I don't really remember anymore, but how was it when MJ was arrested and when the trial started? Were these celebs just as silent then too?
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In regards to celebs not speaking out, it mostly just seems to be B listers who believe those two aside from Ellen and Barbra Streisand most people who belive the two accusers are probably jumping on the bandwagon to stay relevant.
 
Dudex said:
i don't think so. Greed just cut it to make it sounds creepy
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No ..... there are maaaany details different.
For example James question about Hawaii did not appear in his complaint where this exhibit is covered.

It is absolutly criminal to falsify an exhibit in that way!
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Exactly. They are slowly trying to normalize it and it's incredibly scary. Today I read this.

https://www.cchrint.org/2017/12/21/american-psychiatric-association-pedophilia-adisordernotacrime/

As for the tabloids now covering Wade shopping a book, hey the news is old as hell and we've been sending it to them since the start of this, but better late than never! You'd think with those kind of revelations now coming out that sooner rather than later many more people will start to side with the truth?

On Twitter just now someone said that even if Wade and James were to admit that they all lied, some people would still see them as victims. And it's true, some people truly are so far gone into their ridiculous hatred for the man.
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Well people who think that way are revealing something about themselves. I do not care about people like that. That is also jealousy some people have towards MJ. We all have people like that around even us. They wait on something bad to happen to you so that they can have something to say even if it is lies and will try to find justication for it even if it is proven to be lies but they know it is a lie but wont admit it.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
No ..... there are maaaany details different.
For example James question about Hawaii did not appear in his complaint where this exhibit is covered.

It is absolutly criminal to falsify an exhibit in that way!
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you can spot three dots in complaint, that means some part of interview was not included in the transcript
 
Dudex said:
we need to compare existing parts side by side
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When someone would put screenshots from the interview in the complaint and copy the transscript in one post we can do this.
But you wil see even in the parts which are in the Complaint AND in the LN transcript are toooo many inconistacies in the details.

The LN version is manipulated and fasefied by Dan Greed maybe in using the same MJ voice impresator to falsify the birthday message for Wade which made no sense to record an half year before his birthday..

I want to know when Joy Robsons birthday is.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yeah I can't deny that I'm really disappointed in many celebs. I definitely expected Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie etc to speak out. On the other hand Taj said in a recent interview that he even told some people to not do it, not draw any attention to it. So I guess there's that.

I don't really remember anymore, but how was it when MJ was arrested and when the trial started? Were these celebs just as silent then too?
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Taj is doing a great job and everything, but I'm not buying the whole "it'll draw more attention to it" argument.
How much more attention can be drawn??? Everyone knows about the doc by now.
And the people who don't know about it....well I highly doubt they're the kind of people who would find out about it from some celebrity tweet.

My main issue is most of these people have no problem supporting Michael when it benefits them or their careers. That's what annoys me the most.
I remember in 2005 he was like a pariah or something. A laughing stock. I don't remember anyone coming to his defense except people like Geraldo Rivera,
and a lot of people thought he was crazy for supporting him. I don't remember any of MJ's celebrity "friends" defending him at all.

The thing I like about Diana Ross is that when things were hard for Michael, you know she was there for him behind the scenes.
In interviews she didn't really discuss him and I really respected that.
Even after he died when he was accepted by the public again, she didn't make some grand appearance at his funeral. She was truly heartbroken!
I have major respect for her now too, because she came out publicly and stood by him on twitter. You can just tell her friendship with him was real.
She didn't use their relationship to her advantage when she needed it unlike some people (WADE ROBSON).

These others basically shunned him in 2005, BUT THEN after he died in 2009, these are the SAME PEOPLE showing up at his funeral as if he was their BFF.
Talking about him in interviews, sharing stories about him, etc. And now when things are hard again, they can't even tweet their support?? Get outta here.
I respect Will.i.am, too. I can tell he actually was a big fan of Michael's. He never betrayed him and he's stood by him.

I just can't believe the audacity of Oprah and Ellen either. Interviewing MJ's children and family members and now acting like they don't even exist.

I don't wanna hear anything from any of these celebs after this all blows over. It's just so hypocritical.
Don't wanna see any MJ tributes or anything like that either. If you can't stand by him now, then just forget it.
 
Oprah Winfrey has disappointed me deeply. I will never support her channel or shows again. I actually used to have a decent level of respect for her, but after witnessing this debacle I now see she's a total liar and opportunist with zero integrity.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yeah I can't deny that I'm really disappointed in many celebs. I definitely expected Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie etc to speak out. On the other hand Taj said in a recent interview that he even told some people to not do it, not draw any attention to it. So I guess there's that.

I don't really remember anymore, but how was it when MJ was arrested and when the trial started? Were these celebs just as silent then too?
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Well in 2003 and 1993 , both times most of the industry fell silent , i remember 93 his tour was cut short in aug 1993 and headlines quickly changed from close up pics of " michaels face falling off " and " this is the nose."( i curse the ****s who wrote those two "storys" which made ridiculous tabloid headlines back in those days ..) to the serious allegations . horrible times , and 2003 i remember that pic with the hand cuffs... no celeb at the time - was speaking out, , thats why its such a ....deep feeling when most the industry do show that support so passionately. and when some we finally get some positive news articals . times are slowly changing :)

...Bitter sweet tho , cos m is not here to see that one thing, that one turn around in media, he was fighting half his life, for , people to not read the garbage ...to burn all tabloids .
in 2003 ,.. i clearly remember Eminem making pointless tabloid fun in one of his videos , at one of the most hardest time ..., it always seemed we stood alone untill ... dare i say it , the internet brought fans and celebs together and now we can start to raise our voices as one , finally ...
 
Trinity303 said:
Taj is doing a great job and everything, but I'm not buying the whole "it'll draw more attention to it" argument.
How much more attention can be drawn??? Everyone knows about the doc by now.
And the people who don't know about it....well I highly doubt they're the kind of people who would find out about it from some celebrity tweet.

My main issue is most of these people have no problem supporting Michael when it benefits them or their careers. That's what annoys me the most.
I remember in 2005 he was like a pariah or something. A laughing stock. I don't remember anyone coming to his defense except people like Geraldo Rivera,
and a lot of people thought he was crazy for supporting him. I don't remember any of MJ's celebrity "friends" defending him at all.

The thing I like about Diana Ross is that when things were hard for Michael, you know she was there for him behind the scenes.
In interviews she didn't really discuss him and I really respected that.
Even after he died when he was accepted by the public again, she didn't make some grand appearance at his funeral. She was truly heartbroken!
I have major respect for her now too, because she came out publicly and stood by him on twitter. You can just tell her friendship with him was real.
She didn't use their relationship to her advantage when she needed it unlike some people (WADE ROBSON).

These others basically shunned him in 2005, BUT THEN after he died in 2009, these are the SAME PEOPLE showing up at his funeral as if he was their BFF.
Talking about him in interviews, sharing stories about him, etc. And now when things are hard again, they can't even tweet their support?? Get outta here.
I respect Will.i.am, too. I can tell he actually was a big fan of Michael's. He never betrayed him and he's stood by him.

I just can't believe the audacity of Oprah and Ellen either. Interviewing MJ's children and family members and now acting like they don't even exist.

I don't wanna hear anything from any of these celebs after this all blows over. It's just so hypocritical.
Don't wanna see any MJ tributes or anything like that either. If you can't stand by him now, then just forget it.
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Steve Harvey stood by him during this time and Missy Elliott. There were others.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Yeah I can't deny that I'm really disappointed in many celebs. I definitely expected Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie etc to speak out. On the other hand Taj said in a recent interview that he even told some people to not do it, not draw any attention to it. So I guess there's that.

I don't really remember anymore, but how was it when MJ was arrested and when the trial started? Were these celebs just as silent then too?
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There were some that supported him publicly. This blog page lists a bunch of people that spoke in his favor from 2003-2005 and even back in 1993. It's a bit outdated now though since Robson is listed. -_-
https://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/support-for-mj-during-allegations/

As for Taj telling some not to speak out, I thought they were telling him they were afraid to speak out? Or is it a mix of both? I know during his interview with Razorfist he said there were some people he spoke to in private that said they still believed Michael but were afraid to say anything publicly.
 
Amaya said:
There were some that supported him publicly. This blog page lists a bunch of people that spoke in his favor from 2003-2005 and even back in 1993. It's a bit outdated now though since Robson is listed. -_-
https://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/support-for-mj-during-allegations/

As for Taj telling some not to speak out, I thought they were telling him they were afraid to speak out? Or is it a mix of both? I know during his interview with Razorfist he said there were some people he spoke to in private that said they still believed Michael but were afraid to say anything publicly.
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Absolutely loved reading that. Love Love Love Macaulay Culkin, Emanuel Lewis , Aaron Carter , and Sir Teddy Riley.
i noticed wade was talking about himself and his " career" :troll1:ffs. ....Ugh ..

Has Madonna spoken out this time anybody know?:flowers:
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4254623 said:
Yeah I can't deny that I'm really disappointed in many celebs. I definitely expected Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie etc to speak out. On the other hand Taj said in a recent interview that he even told some people to not do it, not draw any attention to it. So I guess there's that.

I don't really remember anymore, but how was it when MJ was arrested and when the trial started? Were these celebs just as silent then too?
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Yes most were silent too.
TMes said celebrities were afraid to defend him in fear of their career. That’s why he was so happy to see Chris Tucker and Macaulay defend him during 2005.
 
Robbsaber01;4254618 said:
TMZ just mentioned how HBO has shutdown the rumors of taking down the Movie. TMZ "cant believe" that people arent reacting to MJ the same as R Kelly smh.
After Part 1 of the movie aired they interviewed taj and they said when part 2 airs they would like to interview him again. No surprise, that 2nd interview never happened. Taj destroyed Wade in the first interview. Taj and Brandi would own Harvey and Charles if they had the chance. Mainstream Media is a joke. Again, Defamation of the dead should not be legal. Its sick.
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They are so full of shit and they have a clear agenda.
They ignored the train station story, they ignored the Grand Canyon story, and they’ve ignored all of the other inconsistencies yet they want to report on HBO pulling the movie.
I would love to see Siggy go with them and interview with TMZ.
 
Even though I don't post very often, I love coming here.

I'll bet Dr. Maya Angelou would be turning over her grave if she saw what Oprah's doing right now. Her quote still stands today: "If someone shows you who they are, believe them." And boy, a lot of true colors are being exposed! I don't give these people the time or day. Also, I wish people would stop saying "Your truth." That's a bunch of lies! What is "Your truth?" How about "THE truth?!" I don't understand it. We all knew the media was a bunch of hypocrites since day one.

Michael, your soldiers of love are still marching!
 
travis3000;4254632 said:
Oprah Winfrey has disappointed me deeply. I will never support her channel or shows again. I actually used to have a decent level of respect for her, but after witnessing this debacle I now see she's a total liar and opportunist with zero integrity.
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Yeah, I only watch “20/20” on OWN if I couldn’t find any shows, but now because of Oprah crucifying Michael by hosting the interview to Robson and STABchuck, I refuse to watch that channel again, I wish that channel was removed like Crave and TMN Encore channels were blacked out/removed from cable at my hometown.
 
1nn5;4254608 said:
The construction was finished in december 1991.
I think the castle story will be like the train station story.
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Is everyone forgetting that someone(can’t remeber name right now) recently said the the second floor of the train station is nothing except a huge VERY OPEN LOFT with no doors, no alarms and no bed. It is at the very top of the stairs and people were in and out all the time. This person was at Neverland all the time. Not only is SafeCHECK lying about the train station, he is lying about the so called “room”. Every word uttered from his and ROBson’s mouth is a lie.
Orca is a liar and will never admit that she knew that this entire fiasco was contrived and a HOAX, and she is a part of the plot and agenda. I hate her even more, If that is even possible. I’m going to keep up the heat on her and not let up. That’s what we all need to do. We have worked too hard to give this @#$&* any reprieve, and just let her slide and act as if she didn’t know about the contents of this fraudomentary.She knew, and she should NEVER be forgiven for that.
 
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