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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

The fact that we are emotional creatures is a blessing and a curse. The haters/Ignorant ones will let their emotions dictate what is true even when evidense proves otherwise. You think some clown on twitter trashing MJ knows him more than Diana Ross? Paris? Brandi? Taj? Of course not. Facts and evidense dont compute for ignorant people.
 
That's very true guys. I'm just flabbergasted that some of these people act like they knew MJ when they are talking to someone (Diana) that has known him for many many years, they don't know shit.

It's probably a good example of why not more celebs openly support him. Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder etc. It's not that I believe they aren't in support of him but it would be nice to see it. Show that you're not afraid to get bullshit hate comments towards you.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
That's very true guys. I'm just flabbergasted that some of these people act like they knew MJ when they are talking to someone (Diana) that has known him for many many years, they don't know shit.

It's probably a good example of why not more celebs openly support him. Akon, Chris Tucker, Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder etc. It's not that I believe they aren't in support of him but it would be nice to see it. Show that you're not afraid to get bullshit hate comments towards you.
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I agree. But many of these people seem to love drama as well and seek it.
 
volitional;4251474 said:
He seems the sort of person who gets offended if you disagree with him and so comes gun blazing after you. A big bully. Look how he went after Piers Morgan when he was questioned which wasn't even a tough interview. They've always come after the fans in the past as well because we are throwing facts at people.
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He is more of a Wussy, than a bully. People like him don’t intimidate Me. I view him as a pathetic, child porn/NAMBLA sympathizer. FTR, I bet he never imagined he would be met with a force like MJ fans. Boy, did he underestimate the MJ fandom.
 
Yeah, Terrell. We cannot let small-minded people who relish in mess faze us! We just can't.

There are some really awful people in the world and we wont be able to change them.

We have to be careful to not become addicted to being upset and overwrought about what small-minded think.

We put the facts out there, we focus on those who are positive and open minded and we will turn the tide.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
Yeah, Terrell. We cannot let small-minded people who relish in mess phase us! We just can't.

There are some really awful people in the world and we wont be able to change them.

We have to be careful to not become addicted to being upset and overwrought about what small-minded think.

We put the facts out there, we focus on those who are positive and open minded and we will turn the tide.
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I agree and I still say this media driven. They do not want the story to go but see that is going to backfire. Let this story stay, the more will be expose of these liars. I look at the gymist story.she clearly does not want it to be the focus and it has nothing to do with if she still like MJ or not. I believe she does but again does not want it to be the focus so Jamie Lee can shut up with her tweet.
 
Sadly, Streisand's comments are making people come out of the woodwork to condemn her and Michael Jackson by proxy of taking her words down.
 
You should get over straisend.
It will happend in the next weeks all the time that celbreties and normal folks will give their opinion on LN to be relavant and that the anti MJ comments will became reportet as much as possible cause this is part of the brainwash aganda of the propganda media to ruin MJ and his lifetime worka and rewhrite ( black) history!
The celebreties have nothing more to gain from MJ anymore since he is dead.
They can not hope that he would choose them for a colbration what would bring them money and fame, so they can throw him under the bus with no conciquences what bring them attention fame and maybe some money from tabloids.

LEAVING NEVERLAND AND EVERTHING WHAT SUEROUNDS IT IS ABOUT GREED!
A deathsin.

The world and the society we live in will be much more darker when this year is over and someone like MJ, a strong sybolism of hope like nationunity who always shined his bright warm, pure light on people to ispire them to do good thinks what makes this world a better place will lost his meaning together with his music for many people and their progeny.
Many of his important massages like that we must lern to love each other to find pece and make this world a better place for everyone, will maybe find no ear anymore besides MJ Fans.
 
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terrell said:
I agree and I still say this media driven. They do not want the story to go but see that is going to backfire. Let this story stay, the more will be expose of these liars. I look at the gymist story.she clearly does not want it to be the focus and it has nothing to do with if she still like MJ or not. I believe she does but again does not want it to be the focus so Jamie Lee can shut up with her tweet.
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It has been 26 years since the Chandlers came up with their allegations and they still have not been exposed what makes you believe these two will be exposed? They are very much protected by the media and Hollywood. I hope you are not counting on Weistman to expose the truth.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Another tweet by Jamie Lee Curtis. Here she is praising a gymnast that removed MJ's music since LN aired. I actually thought that Jamie would be smarter than this, she also clearly ignores any tweets providing her with facts. What is it with these people?

Boy is she gonna feel stupid once the real truth is revealed in public. Anyway, the tweet:



This is how you CAN DO something about NOT supporting pedophiles. The serenity prayer is perfect here.
God, grant me serenity to ACCEPT the things I CANNOT change, COURAGE to CHANGE the things I can and WISDOM to know the difference. #LeavingNerverland https://t.co/bILwJs9H8Y
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It is pathetic and despicable that Jamie Lee Curtis doesn't have the brains to figure out, to question or do the research that this is a one-sided documentary, with contradictions and lies that has been exposed by social media, with no evidence but rather claims and hearsay anyone can come up with, twisting and editing words by Michael and his lawyers to make them look evil and leaving out important detail about Wades relationship with Brandi. :ranting::grrrrrr

How the hell can a one-sided documentary supersed and overrule the FBI investigation that found no evidence, 2005 trial that lead to acquittal, criminal investigation in 93 that 2 Grand Jurys refused to come up with indictments? The police, prosecutors and FBI agents could not find at least something about abuse against Wade and James but Dan Reed could do so?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4251520 said:
It looks like that forum is the old version of Neogaf but I'm not sure. He is a gamer though and I recall seeing that username before on a forum. I can't place it exactly though. It's quite interesting either way.

I saw a woman reply to Diana Ross and, sigh.... where to find the words.... If this cow respects her so much, didn't she even for one second considered doing some research? Some people are so hellbent on believing these proven liars, my guess is this woman already thought of MJ as guilty. Tje tweet:

I’ve always loved & respected you. You realize a person can simultaneously B 2 things at once? He can have been the person you knew&loved & a dangerous, abusing, pedophile too? They hide in plain sight. Fact:people of your generation protect abusers=why we are where we are
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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rip-michael-jackson-1958-2009.366312/page-209#post-241819023

here you go.

I haven't posted in here since 2011 so it feels very strange to start the discussion with a link. Unfortunately I don't have time to write what I really think about this whole mess but I will do so when I have the time, cause I have so, so, so much I want to rant about. But I saw this post and wanted to give you the exact reference to that screenshot.

Anyway, uh... hello again MJJC lol.
 
Arvizo invited zonen amongst others to his wedding. His father was not in on the allegations.didnt support them one bit as he had been accused of exactly the same thing by janet. And arvizo only recently was lieing under oath again to protect his brother during his court case for atracking etc his girlfriend

Agree the estate should be sending out public statements to ba ba amongst others. Calling out the ignorant stupidity. The excuse that it will give it attention does not fly as its everywhere anyway. It just makes you look weak and guilty that you sit and say nothing. We saw that for the last 25 years already.
 
Thanks so cav. So now wade was liking mj things on F.B upto 2016! Total arrogance. Mind you hes right the media dont give a f!@#

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@hannapauses
More receipts. Wade Robson liking Facebook posts of positive experience with Michael Jackson in 2016. Years after he claimed to have understood he was abused by him.

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Joy liked four positive Facebook posts on MJ after her son told her about their abuse two in 2013 and two in 2015 and the media is dead silent on this.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Arvizo invited zonen amongst others to his wedding. His father was not in on the allegations.didnt support them one bit as he had been accused of exactly the same thing by janet. And arvizo only recently was lieing under oath again to protect his brother during his court case for atracking etc his girlfriend

Agree the estate should be sending out public statements to ba ba amongst others. Calling out the ignorant stupidity. The excuse that it will give it attention does not fly as its everywhere anyway. It just makes you look weak and guilty that you sit and say nothing. We saw that for the last 25 years already.
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Actually it isn't. If I didn't visit this site or my Twitter feed, I wouldn't hear about NL since it first aired outside of TMZ, which I never watched. My mom does and she doesn't even mentions it.
 
Ramona122003 said:
Actually it isn't. If I didn't visit this site or my Twitter feed, I wouldn't hear about NL since it first aired outside of TMZ, which I never watched. My mom does and she doesn't even mentions it.
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It is heavily covered online. How it is not everywhere? Yesterday alone there were tens of articles on Barbara comments. Since she attacked MJ today there will be more to come today.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Arvizo invited zonen amongst others to his wedding. His father was not in on the allegations.didnt support them one bit as he had been accused of exactly the same thing by janet. And arvizo only recently was lieing under oath again to protect his brother during his court case for atracking etc his girlfriend

Agree the estate should be sending out public statements to ba ba amongst others. Calling out the ignorant stupidity. The excuse that it will give it attention does not fly as its everywhere anyway. It just makes you look weak and guilty that you sit and say nothing. We saw that for the last 25 years already.
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Exactly. Sitting around not saying anything hasn't helped in the past and it certainly isn't helping now. Does the estate not fully understand the extent of the backlash?

Being silent right now is not the answer.
 
This is just so absurd when I look at other tweets from @hannapauses.
Wade claims to be unable to continue with his professional in dance after the emotional breakdown and sudden realization of being abused by Michael in his lawsuit.
And yet Brian Feldman posted Wade did held "The Main Event" back in August last year??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sv"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just in case, they know each other and worked together as recently as 2018. Also, Brian wished <a href="https://twitter.com/JanetJackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JanetJackson</a> happy birthday in May 2017, the same week he posted a BFF picture of himself and Wade. None of this is fake or photoshopped. <a href="https://t.co/cwnwjNZTVJ">pic.twitter.com/cwnwjNZTVJ</a></p>&mdash; &#129304;&#127998;Thong Song: The Opera&#129304;&#127998; (@hannapauses) <a href="https://twitter.com/hannapauses/status/1109603429796720640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23 mars 2019</a></blockquote>
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john13th;4251558 said:
This is just so absurd when I look at other tweets from @hannapauses.
Wade claims to be unable to continue with his professional in dance after the emotional breakdown and sudden realization of being abused by Michael in his lawsuit.
And yet Brian Feldman posted Wade did held "The Main Event" back in August last year??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sv"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just in case, they know each other and worked together as recently as 2018. Also, Brian wished <a href="https://twitter.com/JanetJackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JanetJackson</a> happy birthday in May 2017, the same week he posted a BFF picture of himself and Wade. None of this is fake or photoshopped. <a href="https://t.co/cwnwjNZTVJ">pic.twitter.com/cwnwjNZTVJ</a></p>&mdash; &#129304;&#127998;Thong Song: The Opera&#129304;&#127998; (@hannapauses) <a href="https://twitter.com/hannapauses/status/1109603429796720640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23 mars 2019</a></blockquote>
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The answer is ready they still love him and care about him. Victims cope in different ways. ****ing sociopaths. He groomed them so much even Joy liking Pro mj posts will be dismissed as still being groomed and seduced by mj.
 
DangerUs'91 said:
Sadly, Streisand's comments are making people come out of the woodwork to condemn her and Michael Jackson by proxy of taking her words down.
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Well she's now issued an apology on her Instagram for any offence and 'respects and admires them for telling the truth'

I wish these celebs would just f#ck off. It's like let's pick on a dead guy then they will leave us alone and our own dirty laundry.

The Estate really needs to slam these people for only looking at one side. Just like in 2005 with the press. It's was only because the jury were given both that MJ was acquitted.
 
volitional said:
Well she's now issued an apology on her Instagram for any offence and 'respects and admires them for telling the truth'

I wish these celebs would just f#ck off. It's like let's pick on a dead guy then they will leave us alone and our own dirty laundry.

The Estate really needs to slam these people for only looking at one side. Just like in 2005 with the press. It's was only because the jury were given both that MJ was acquitted.
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Indeed. They should have made the proper research of just shut up! Barbara now still owes Michael's family an apology.
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:

To the people OF YOU WHO HAVE SEEN LEAVING NEVERLAND COMPLEATLY:
Can it be possible that pictures of an MJ impresator who is in the friends list of the Robsons in Facebook, looked so simular to MJ (who only wants to work with the best people) that he maybe have worked as bodydouble for MJ (because of the second picture in th video which can be the impresator standing in front of a big audiance of fans) are in LN?

Can it be possible that they have hied him to stage some pictues like the Hitler Picure in LN?

Please do your investigation about the impresator secrerly and not puplically.
When he is friends with the Robsons he can also delate everthing.
I am sadly not on Facebook.

You can see that the picture is in LN in this, upload of the movie at around 0:26:30.

https://youtu.be/VXW1pJWYbY4

They make it look like in the movie as it was MJ sitting in James nursery together with next pictures of the impresator/MJ they are showing there with the same MJ poster in the backround.

What is the name of the impresator at facebook which is in the Robsons friendslist?

I would love to ask the uploader of exposing video if she can give us the facebookadress of the impresator which is the Robsons friendslist but I sadly have no youtube account at the moment.
You can see the uploader facebook name in the video.

Can someone ask her if she can give you the facebook adress of the impresator which is in the Robsond Facebook list to be sure it is this impresator she showed in her video and not pictures of LN who maybe showed MJ?
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I am more sure now that the foto is not showing Michael sitting in James bedroom.

You can see little James sitting in his nursery on his bed in this video
https://youtu.be/VXW1pJWYbY4
at 0:21:50.
The nursery who MJ or the impresator sits on the floor at 0:26:30 looks compleatly different with different hanging.
They also datet this Photo in LN in the year 1987 before James jointed MJ with his family at the Bad tour in Summer 1988.
But the official bad tour poster in the backround is dated June 5th, 6th, 7th 1988 Bad tour Rotterdam.
It is impossible that the poster was hanging there before James joined the tour in 1988.

It doesn't matter if this is an impresator or not on the picture
They definitly lied again.
MJ is not sitting in James bedroom and the picture was not taken at the timepoint they claimed it was made in LN.
 
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RedMaryFlint said:
He posted the same story just recently (Jan 2019) on ResetEra.
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I'm guessing he got banned there after posting that eh? I've been permabanned there merely for asking people to not jump to conclusions and I then posted facts and was accused of inflammatory dismissal of sexual abuse allegations, lol.

ASIS said:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rip-michael-jackson-1958-2009.366312/page-209#post-241819023

here you go.

I haven't posted in here since 2011 so it feels very strange to start the discussion with a link. Unfortunately I don't have time to write what I really think about this whole mess but I will do so when I have the time, cause I have so, so, so much I want to rant about. But I saw this post and wanted to give you the exact reference to that screenshot.

Anyway, uh... hello again MJJC lol.
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Oh wow, it is indeed Neogaf huh, but look he's banned there. Yeah it figures. These forums don't accept anything remotely positive about Michael. Unbelievable.
 
Apparently Miley Cyrus has shown her BAD tattoo on social media recently. Big ups to her for that. **** ignorance and haters and especially **** standing up for fake victims.

Naomi Campbell liked Diana Ross's post.

By the way guys, just see this clip

https://twitter.com/RAZ0RFIST/status/1109659810914394114?s=08

How do people fall for this shit? The acting is so crystal clear here and boy is is horrible.
 
DangerUs'91 said:
Sadly, Streisand's comments are making people come out of the woodwork to condemn her and Michael Jackson by proxy of taking her words down.
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Yes, first I was just like :fear: at how dumb her comment was, but now thanks to her stupidity it's making headlines again. And it doesn't make me feel any better that she kills her own carrier as well at the same time. How DUMB some people can be, really??

elusive moonwalker said:
Shes doing weinstein and geffens bidding.
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But she's even too dumb to do that! Unless she was eager to sacrifice her own carrier as well for the sake of those.
 
ozemouze said:
But she's even too dumb to do that! Unless she was eager to sacrifice her own carrier as well for the sake of those.
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She hasn't sacrificed anything. She's apologised and agreed MJ is a child molester. She's back in line with the rest of the idiots. They will over look her earlier remarks.

I still can't comprehend her original statement though. What was she thinking.

Looking at the comments to Diana Ross tweet it is a mixed bag. It really is you can't question/shame the victims, which is what your doing by supporting MJ or even due process. What has this world come to. Shall we go back to the lynching of people accused of any crimes.
 
volitional said:
She hasn't sacrificed anything. She's apologised and agreed MJ is a child molester. She's back in line with the rest of the idiots. They will over look her earlier remarks.

I still can't comprehend her original statement though. What was she thinking.
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Sure, but it was certainly bad PR for her. And I agree at the "What was she thinking" factor. Unreal.
 
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