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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I really hate the spam everyday from downloadlinks of LN downloadlinks on Youtube in verious languages.
Maybe this is also part of the propganda machine.
Becaus in the massive spam, flut of reation Videos and Media Propaganda videos to LN, the informative debunking videos gets overlooked from the puplic.
We really should all together report this spam downloadlink videos to youtube with the Uploader.
Same with full uploads from LN which are not for children.
 
If you think about it this whole "mute MJ" shit is ridiculous anyway. For one it's based on a one sided mockumentary that is rather damn easy to discredit but yeah... the media isn't exactly helping with that. But what about Elvis on the radio? I'm sure there are other artists who actually DID pull disgusting shit unlike MJ and they aren't muted.

Let's look at movies, why do we still celebrate Polanski at these award shows? Why aren't his movies banned or whatsoever? Woodie Allen? And there are many other ones and yet they aren't muted. It really just has to be a temporary reaction I'm guessing. Sadly my local supermarket who always used to have Billie Jean and WBSS in their playlist now don't play it anymore. It's bullshit.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Oooh my bad. Yeah this thread goes fast on a daily basis, I sometimes miss things. Things are now really starting to add up for sure. It means several big and powerful companies are behind it.

I now want to say the Jacksons should have never done that, but I'm sure the powers that be would have found a different way.
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- The same Lawfirm "Melveny & Mayers LLP" which now represents HBO against the estate is the same Lawfirm which represented AEG in the AEG Trail in 2013 were Wade Robson in the middle of this trail suddenly decided go public with his allegations what influenced this trail.

- Amanda Robson is an actress who has two movie data base credits besides LN.
Chantal Robson is an actress who has three movie data base credits besides LN.
Wade Robson is an actor since childhood days.
James Safechuck is an professional actor since childhood days.
Both call LN a MOVIE in which normally actors work and telling in general fabricated storys the real and beliveable for the viewer as possible!

- The composer/company who created the Music to LN created also the music to surviving R Kelly!

- James father died in the same year they start filming LN.
Thats the reason why he is not in it.
When the father bought the family the most/important income they whould have anouther motive for being part of this mocementary and making money out of it!
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
If you think about it this whole "mute MJ" shit is ridiculous anyway. For one it's based on a one sided mockumentary that is rather damn easy to discredit but yeah... the media isn't exactly helping with that. But what about Elvis on the radio? I'm sure there are other artists who actually DID pull disgusting shit unlike MJ and they aren't muted.

Let's look at movies, why do we still celebrate Polanski at these award shows? Why aren't his movies banned or whatsoever? Woodie Allen? And there are many other ones and yet they aren't muted. It really just has to be a temporary reaction I'm guessing. Sadly my local supermarket who always used to have Billie Jean and WBSS in their playlist now don't play it anymore. It's bullshit.
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Give it a month or two. They will put it back on. And yes, Polanski who was CONVICTED and NEVER served time was nomintated for a Oscar. That is some of the reason Cosby stuff was pulled off tv for a moment but people were outrage in the double standard and Cosby was put back on tv and doing great.
 
Does for you guys also Chantal and Joy Robson sounds in LN more sick as they would have a cold during the recording of the interviews then sad?
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Dan's recent tweet really makes me think he is legitimately just a moron.
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What did egghead say?

terrell said:
Give it a month or two. They will put it back on. And yes, Polanski who was CONVICTED and NEVER served time was nomintated for a Oscar. That is some of the reason Cosby stuff was pulled off tv for a moment but people were outrage in the double standard and Cosby was put back on tv and doing great.
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Yeah it's crazy, but good that they at least don't ignore the complaints. It's just crazy that this filth can just air and with radio stations pulling music and other ridiculous and drastic stuff. Then again, it's MJ, it's always been crazy.

Today when I did some reading on Pelicano and found out how much filth tabloids have been spreading when he was still alive but also long after he died, it's just insane. They just never really gave up at all.

I also watched a video by Razorfist about The Golden globes and how hypocrit as hell Oprah is. With her speech about women coming forward during MeToo and what not, but what is her stance on Weinstein? It's pathetic really. And what Razorfist says about that these actresses only came forward about him after their movies had come out, like Olivia Munn and all that. It's all about money.
 
*Makes movie that tries to normalise child abuse*

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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
If you think about it this whole "mute MJ" shit is ridiculous anyway. For one it's based on a one sided mockumentary that is rather damn easy to discredit but yeah... the media isn't exactly helping with that. But what about Elvis on the radio? I'm sure there are other artists who actually DID pull disgusting shit unlike MJ and they aren't muted.

Let's look at movies, why do we still celebrate Polanski at these award shows? Why aren't his movies banned or whatsoever? Woodie Allen? And there are many other ones and yet they aren't muted..
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And there's a lot more, almost all of them were treated in a very different way, and even more cases were just ignored to the point people aren't even aware of them. E.g. in the classic rock & roll era "rock heroes" weren't called out on their relationships with underage groupies, on the contrary, it was considered just a r&r thing, even sort of cool and enviable - or were swept under the carpet.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to pass judgement on these cases now, and I'm against the "cancel culture" anyway, but there's this huuuuge double standard here that indeed suggests that MJ is used as a distraction/universal scapegoat. Also it shows how blindly the general public follows the media's guide on what they should be outraged about while are clueless about anything else.
 
Dan Reed didn't need many people to actually watch his trash. These celebs are spreading the garbage in it to unaware people just by opening their ignorant mouths.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
*Makes movie that tries to normalise child abuse*

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Yeah it is interesting how everthing becamed twisted around and people try to make of Michael a compleare other person.

MJ often talked and sung very passionated about his many personal needs which mostly went in one or two direction.

That his sexual needs very clearly went only in the direction towards woman people should knew when they have listen to the most of his songs and A-Capells, saw his videos, performances etc....
But now people becamed brainwashed and forget about this.

Now MJ should be the evil criminal,
compleate liar and faker his wole 50 year life in everything he did when it is much more obvious that Wade, James and Reed are the ones.
 
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What did egghead say?



Yeah it's crazy, but good that they at least don't ignore the complaints. It's just crazy that this filth can just air and with radio stations pulling music and other ridiculous and drastic stuff. Then again, it's MJ, it's always been crazy.

Today when I did some reading on Pelicano and found out how much filth tabloids have been spreading when he was still alive but also long after he died, it's just insane. They just never really gave up at all.

I also watched a video by Razorfist about The Golden globes and how hypocrit as hell Oprah is. With her speech about women coming forward during MeToo and what not, but what is her stance on Weinstein? It's pathetic really. And what Razorfist says about that these actresses only came forward about him after their movies had come out, like Olivia Munn and all that. It's all about money.
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I agree. As for Pelicano, he did not make those comments about having dirt on MJ. That was tabloid saying that about him. I do not trust him since he is getting out of jail but then again, he may turn out to be a blessing. We will see.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
*Makes movie that tries to normalise child abuse*

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Dan Reed is one to talk. Streisand is pretty much parroting him there. The way he describes horrible acts are just as disturbing as she did. What an idiot.

ozemouze said:
And there's a lot more, almost all of them were treated in a very different way, and even more cases were just ignored to the point people aren't even aware of them. E.g. in the classic rock & roll era "rock heroes" weren't called out on their relationships with underage groupies, on the contrary, it was considered just a r&r thing, even sort of cool and enviable - or were swept under the carpet.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to pass judgement on these cases now, and I'm against the "cancel culture" anyway, but there's this huuuuge double standard here that indeed suggests that MJ is used as a distraction/universal scapegoat. Also it shows how blindly the general public follows the media's guide on what they should be outraged about while are clueless about anything else.
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Oh absolutely, David Bowie comes to mind and yet we barely hear a thing about that. The hate for MJ has always been insane by the media. But also some people in general, he was eccentric, that meant for some already that he was suspicious or even guilty. But I'm going off topic a little here. The cancel culture is ridiculous and I hope I will be hearing MJ soon on the radio at my supermarket again.

And I gotta admit, I can't even blame it all on some people that have their doubts. Today once again I saw how totally insane the media coverage has been pre trial, during the trial and after the trial. There are plenty of people that don't bother with research but they do see all this crap coverage and slowly but surely that sways them towards the hating side. It's insane how these tabloids have been so persistent with their bullshit stories about child porn, secret rooms etc. Some people read that, they already think of MJ as weird, eccentric, off, and there we go. :(

terrell said:
I agree. As for Pelicano, he did not make those comments about having dirt on MJ. That was tabloid saying that about him. I do not trust him since he is getting out of jail but then again, he may turn out to be a blessing. We will see.
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Yeah, see, that's why I think as well. That Tabloid The Hollywood Reporter just made up those quotes. They very likely never interviewed him in jail. It certainly doesn't make sense at all either. He's in jail (last year during alleged interview) invites that tabloid, tells them he has dirt on MJ and the reason he quit the case (he told the world a total different reason why he quit.) also said to them that he was offered 500k by tabloids and he refused them.

Why ask The Hollywood Reporter to come to him in jail in the first place? Makes zero sense to me.

Also, yep he's getting out of jail but that doesn't necessarily mean he needs money. Wasn't he already doing quite decently financially before he was arrested? I'm not sure if he has a wife waiting at home, but I doubt he's poor. Worst case scenario is he does come with crap about Michael and probably claim he found this out after he quit working for him. Because before he quit he clearly stated that he believed MJ to be innocent completely.

That would go against what these tabloids are claiming he said though. He said he quit the case because he discovered truths far darker than what he was alleged of.
 
The Estate needs to send barbara a statement to shut up and do not judge a case she clearly knows nothing about and mind her own business.
 
Helena from VindicateMJ replied on the Pelicano article. She thinks either the media twisted his words, or he was joking during that prison interview. She's leaning towards the former and I do too. Also that stuff from the daily beast is very suspicious to say the least, on their part that is. She says the whole crap about that he allegedly said he quit the case because of far darker truths is total nonsense.
 
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Check out @armymedic80’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/armymedic80/status/1109565495374569472?s=09
In regard to the '05 trial, someone posted a comment from someone who had contact with the Arvisos and according to him he admitted his parents made him do it. His username is the same on twitter. If we can get more info then that would be great.

Edit: Here is his Twitter Check out Jeff Michael | ��45 (@ZeoVGM): https://twitter.com/ZeoVGM?s=09 url=https://postimages.org/]
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terrell said:
The Estate needs to send barbara a statement to shut up and do not judge a case she clearly knows nothing about and mind her own business.
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Yeah .... MJs children or the estate should wrote and spread an open letter to all celbreties and normal people which refuse to do enough resarch before they spoke their verdict on MJ.

I would love it when some of the
Sites who works for MJs defense like vidicate MJ or The Michael Jackson Allegations would create a special section on their homepage with a big video collection to LN.
 
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Robbsaber01;4251503 said:
Check out @armymedic80’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/armymedic80/status/1109565495374569472?s=09
In regard to the '05 trial, someone posted a comment from someone who had contact with the Arvisos and according to him he admitted his parents made him do it. His username is the same on twitter. If we can get more info then that would be great.
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Oh wow, that is quite something. Also, I recall the look of that forum. I can't place it though. We don't have the name of that forum/board?
 
I swear I have homicidal tendencies every time i see Dan Reeds face xD. Dude makes me uncomfortable
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Oh absolutely, David Bowie comes to mind and yet we barely hear a thing about that. The hate for MJ has always been insane by the media. But also some people in general, he was eccentric, that meant for some already that he was suspicious or even guilty. But I'm going off topic a little here.
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It's indeed off topic, so sorry about that, but I think to some extent Bowie is also used as a distraction: he is strangely singled out after his death, while there are still living members of his "rock generation" with similar (and even more grounded) questionable deeds.

E.g. the "ex-groupie" who claimed having sex with him while underage (it wasn't accusation BTW, more like boasting) had a well documented relationship with other rock musicians (unlike with Bowie). So why is the focus on the latter, why not confronting those who are still there and whose association with her is actually proven?

I suspect they had to "sacrifice" someone as people started to question this whole "groupie culture", and they chose Bowie as he's not here anymore and as such anything can be said about him. Now if people think about this topic Bowie comes to their mind, while there are much more suspect cases out there that are not common talk.
 
Another tweet by Jamie Lee Curtis. Here she is praising a gymnast that removed MJ's music since LN aired. I actually thought that Jamie would be smarter than this, she also clearly ignores any tweets providing her with facts. What is it with these people?

Boy is she gonna feel stupid once the real truth is revealed in public. Anyway, the tweet:



This is how you CAN DO something about NOT supporting pedophiles. The serenity prayer is perfect here.
God, grant me serenity to ACCEPT the things I CANNOT change, COURAGE to CHANGE the things I can and WISDOM to know the difference. #LeavingNerverland https://t.co/bILwJs9H8Y
 
terrell said:
The Estate needs to send barbara a statement to shut up and do not judge a case she clearly knows nothing about and mind her own business.
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She managed to get herself into some real mess, isn't she? :doh:
 
somewhereinthedark;4251470 said:
Striesand is old, dumb, not reading facts and friends with David Geffen and the rest of the “Gay Mafia”. That’s what these people were called in the media. Btw, how old is she anyway? People like her are too damn lazy to look for facts, she just goes along with the flow of her rich friends. The ironic thins is NONE of these people would be saying this if Michael was alive. They think they can say anything because he’s not here to defend himself. Btw, Robson and Safechuck would never have made these false allegations if Michael was here. They would have been too afraid. Gutless cowards!!
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Well, foxnews is eating her up and not about her comments either. They know she is full of it as well. It gets me when a few media outlets want to act like there is a lot of fury over. They take the comments of a few people want u to think all and everyone is upset. Look at some of negative comments, those people are connect to MJFActs that lying site. I am more convince their is an agenda but it wont work in the end.
 
When I was younger and foolisher, I used to think that celebrities were more intelligent, tolerant, rational, philosophical, moral than non-famous people.

But I have come to realise that, in fact, they can be just as stupid, intolerant, judgemental and narrow-minded as regular folks.

Nothing they say or do surprises me any more. All I am doing is taking note of the names of the clowns who may end up eating their hat.

They are 'cancelled' for me.
 
Robbsaber01;4251515 said:
That, im not sure of. It would be a really strange story to make up.
Heres his Twitter : Check out Jeff Michael | ��45 (@ZeoVGM): https://twitter.com/ZeoVGM?s=09
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It looks like that forum is the old version of Neogaf but I'm not sure. He is a gamer though and I recall seeing that username before on a forum. I can't place it exactly though. It's quite interesting either way.

I saw a woman reply to Diana Ross and, sigh.... where to find the words.... If this cow respects her so much, didn't she even for one second considered doing some research? Some people are so hellbent on believing these proven liars, my guess is this woman already thought of MJ as guilty. Tje tweet:

I’ve always loved & respected you. You realize a person can simultaneously B 2 things at once? He can have been the person you knew&loved & a dangerous, abusing, pedophile too? They hide in plain sight. Fact:people of your generation protect abusers=why we are where we are😢
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Another tweet by Jamie Lee Curtis. Here she is praising a gymnast that removed MJ's music since LN aired. I actually thought that Jamie would be smarter than this, she also clearly ignores any tweets providing her with facts. What is it with these people?

Boy is she gonna feel stupid once the real truth is revealed in public. Anyway, the tweet:



This is how you CAN DO something about NOT supporting pedophiles. The serenity prayer is perfect here.
God, grant me serenity to ACCEPT the things I CANNOT change, COURAGE to CHANGE the things I can and WISDOM to know the difference. #LeavingNerverland https://t.co/bILwJs9H8Y
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The gymist has been doing MJ for two years. She did not move it because she do not like MJ or because she think anything less of him. It is what going now (that does not mean people would not have liked it still). So Jamie can sit down and shut up. This will pass and MJ will be ok. This is temporary in a FEW places. Again, the media is driving this more than anyone. Oh yeah, MJ music played today.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4251520 said:
It looks like that forum is the old version of Neogaf but I'm not sure. He is a gamer though and I recall seeing that username before on a forum. I can't place it exactly though. It's quite interesting either way.

I saw a woman reply to Diana Ross and, sigh.... where to find the words.... If this cow respects her so much, didn't she even for one second considered doing some research? Some people are so hellbent on believing these proven liars, my guess is this woman already thought of MJ as guilty. Tje tweet:

I’ve always loved & respected you. You realize a person can simultaneously B 2 things at once? He can have been the person you knew&loved & a dangerous, abusing, pedophile too? They hide in plain sight. Fact:people of your generation protect abusers=why we are where we are
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Child alot of those people are just talking noise and know nothing. Some just hope their comment is looked by the press. And the sun to say people are afraid to defend MJ compare to in the 90's to say something against MJ is stupid. MJ got comments back then and many supported him. Even now the people who support him the media is not listing them and there are many.
 
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