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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Abit late. Thanks to snow white.


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Soundmind;4251382 said:
Barbara is being dragged on social media for her comments. The sad thing almost all posts assume MJ is guilty.
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Her comment was extremely horrible, but they are all so full of shit.
When Dan Reed did interviews saying basically the same exact thing we were the only ones calling him out and dragging his comments whereas everyone else was either ignoring it or telling us “how dare you judge a CSA survivor”.
We were literally saying how dangerous his comments and the movie were yet NOW they want to get outraged?!
Their reaction lets me know it was never about sexual abuse or survivors, it has and will always be about Michael.
The fact that no one has even checked them for mentioning Brett and Mac in their web of lies causing them to suffer online abuse told me everything.
 
Soundmind;4251434 said:
It is Dan who is pushing this agenda. He himself said in a recent interview that people who watched the documentary missed the point that the trauma is not caused by the abuse itself because it was an enjoyable experience for them but by the way their families reacted to it how to reconcile between how they feel about it on one hand and how their families do on the other hand. This is not something the fans made up and this is why Barbara is saying now they were thrilled to be with him (abused) because indeed that what they have been saying which is nothing but a NAMBLA propaganda. Wade and Safechuck don't necessary advocate for this agenda but Dan definitely does.
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ksat9;4251444 said:
When Dan Reed did interviews saying basically the same exact thing we were the only ones calling him out and dragging his comments whereas everyone else was either ignoring it or telling us “how dare you judge a CSA survivor”.
We were literally saying how dangerous his comments and the movie were yet NOW they want to get outraged?!
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Exactly. This doesn't mean people who fell for the lies in LN are deliberately advocating NAMBLA propaganda, only that there's the possibility they are being used - without realising it - for an even more sinister and hidden agenda than just unjustly smearing MJ.

How ironic that Streisand is now criticized for the same thing Reed and R&S was celebrated (her comments were very messed up, but basically just the narrative what Reed suggested).
 
I just saw Razorfist's first rebuttal video, previously I had only seen part 2 and 3. From now on if anyone asks about Chandler I'll just give them the part 1 video. I wasn't aware that channel ReviewTechUSA was such a dumb ****, lol, but now I know.

So insanely sad what MJ had to deal with.
 
This is quite something.

When Michael Jackson's family launched their civil claim against AEG Live regarding his unlawful death, AEG Live's lawyer Marvin Putnam claimed, in his opening argument, that they would reveal "some ugly stuff."

#LeavingNeverland https://t.co/9EE8u6stzH

A week later Wade claimed he had been abused. Just wow.

Still unsatisfied, Wade Robson (and fellow dismissed claimant, James Safechuck) worked on a TV show that was premiered, as a late addition, at Sundance Film Festival. The Executive Director of which is one Keri Putnam. Wife of Marvin "some ugly stuff" Putnam.

#LeavingNeverland https://t.co/3aD13wBOeH
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I just saw Razorfist's first rebuttal video, previously I had only seen part 2 and 3. From now on if anyone asks about Chandler I'll just give them the part 1 video. I wasn't aware that channel ReviewTechUSA was such a dumb ****, lol, but now I know.

So insanely sad what MJ had to deal with.
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He said something about MJ? I follow him (Probably not anymore). Hes a gaming news channel, why is he talking about MJ smh. Dissapointing. Someone should send him the facts.
 
Random vent - very little boils my blood more than Michael being referred to as a monster. There is an article in the Atlantic with that title and I felt like I would fly up to the US and just cause mayhem.

As extraordinary as Michael was, he was a human being - flawed like us all. But that man was no monster. The blasted nerve of some people.

Look I am stepping away before I get banned.
 
PoP;4251452 said:
Even Debbie Allen agrees, she's even on Michael's side. They along with others supporting and defending Michael are the light to my heart.
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They actually KNOW Michael and know they are lying.
I bet (if Diana and Debbie even watched) the moment they heard comments such as Michael hating women and claiming that education wasn’t important that they knew they were some frauds.
 
Cinnamon234 said:
Happy to see Diana supporting Michael!

MJ would be happy to see this
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I was wating since the Leaving Neverland announcement that she will broke her 10 year silance about MJ.
She never talked about him simce his death.
I hope that she will do much more.


Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
This is quite something.

When Michael Jackson's family launched their civil claim against AEG Live regarding his unlawful death, AEG Live's lawyer Marvin Putnam claimed, in his opening argument, that they would reveal "some ugly stuff."

#LeavingNeverland https://t.co/9EE8u6stzH

A week later Wade claimed he had been abused. Just wow.

Still unsatisfied, Wade Robson (and fellow dismissed claimant, James Safechuck) worked on a TV show that was premiered, as a late addition, at Sundance Film Festival. The Executive Director of which is one Keri Putnam. Wife of Marvin "some ugly stuff" Putnam.

#LeavingNeverland https://t.co/3aD13wBOeH
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I already mentioned yestday that the same Lawfirm who represented AEG against Kathrine Jackson is representing now HBO against the estate.
 
Robbsaber01 said:
He said something about MJ? I follow him (Probably not anymore). Hes a gaming news channel, why is he talking about MJ smh. Dissapointing. Someone should send him the facts.
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I saw it in the part 1 rebuttal video, so that's quite a few years old. But he shows a tweet or YouTube message from ReviewTechUSA where he says he's a fan but he can't defend MJ settling for so much money when you're innocent. And he seemed to believe Radar Online too, lol.

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I was wating since the Leaving Neverland announcement that she will broke her 10 year silance about MJ.
She never talked about him simce his death.
I hope that she will do much more.




I already mentioned yestday that the same Lawfirm who represented AEG against Kathrine Jackson is representing now HBO against the estate.
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Oooh my bad. Yeah this thread goes fast on a daily basis, I sometimes miss things. Things are now really starting to add up for sure. It means several big and powerful companies are behind it.

I now want to say the Jacksons should have never done that, but I'm sure the powers that be would have found a different way.
 
Oh and to Speed Demon and others that mentioned how odd MJ's relationship with kids was and at the same time not thinking much of the shit Reed says....a tweet for you.

Dan needs to explain why he is referring to alleged abuse as a”fulfilling sexual relationship with an adult”, needs to explain why he described it as a “love affair where sex was pleasant” needs to explain why he was caught telling Robson to use “lover”instead of “abuser”.

And he needs to explain HOW the **** the docs he makes can turn him on. His words, not mine!
 
Lightbringer said:
How did you come to this conclusion?
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As far as I have understand it Wade and Chantal were also in Neverland without Joy.
So it is important what they said about how often they were there with and without Michael before 2013 and after.


Black Orchid said:
No. I actually don't see anyone who had seen the doc talking about enjoyable sexual relationships between a grown men and a child at all, except some fans and pedophiles. Thats what I meant with conspiracy theories. People who saw LN are disgusted by it, they don't go "Oh, well, it seemed they had fun with MJ, maybe I was wrong and paedophilia isn't that bad." This is quite the opposite of what's actually happening right now.

It's also not helpful to imply that Reed is pedophile himself. It would explain some statements he made in the past about fulfilling realtionships beween children and adults, yes, but we don't have any evidence. Fans should just focus on facts instead of believing in some diffuse conspiracy stories. As I said before, they don't do the fan community no favor with that.
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Ok let me say it clearer. The people didn't react like that but it seames that people who have a connection to LN want that the public talkes about the things I mentioned.

See....we want find out and understand who is behind LN and why it was relesed at this timepoint.
To do this we have to open up to some theroris.

You should check out some videos to understand the very possible NAMBLA connection to LN Wade & Safechucks cases and MJ.

Here are three:




The producers of the last two videos have in general a very great channel with other interesting videos.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCCVpe6B-KLrffcrSSouZIOw

Anouter connection to LN is Harvey Weistein.
 
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Streisand is either just dumb or covering up for the elite. Who knows.
Politically at least she is very much pushing the BS mainstream version of events on her twitter.
 
ILoveHIStory;4251295 said:
BIG NEWS: Anthony ‘sin eater’ Pellicano walks free from jail today (March 23rd)

Pellicano is being released on his 75th birthday today after serving time for litany of crimes including possession of plastic explosives, wiretapping, racketeering, protection, intimidation, witness tampering and destroying evidence.

He warned in a Newsweek interview in 2008: "A lot of people are quaking that I'm going to disclose a lot of things when I get out.

"They'll just have to keep quaking won't they?"

In the same interview he said of Jackson: "I quit because I found out some truths... He did something far worse to young boys than molest them."

And last year he told the Hollywood Reporter he was disgusted by truths "even darker" than the Chandler case.

He said: "I was offered $500,000 to tell the whole story by a tabloid and I declined."

Pellicano played a huge part in Jackson's 1993 negotiations with Jordy's dad Evan Chandler.

The then 13-year-old claimed ***** groomed and molested him leading to the superstar performer’s arrest and "humiliating" strip search.

Jordy was able to draw distinctive marks on Jackson’s penis and buttocks – as the Thriller icon suffered from the skin condition vitiligo.

Police in California then strip searched and photographed ***** genitals.

The star, who denied all allegations of sex abuse, called that "the most humiliating ordeal of my life”.

But Pellicano talked Jordy's stepfather into recording conversations with Evan, who was heard saying there would be a "massacre... if I don't get what I want".

This formed the basis of Pellicano's claim the accusations were a part of an extortion plot and Jackson agreed a massive settlement with the Chandler family reported to between $20m and $24m.

The news of Pellicano's release comes after Jackson and his scandalous past came into the spotlight again after the release of the Leaving Neverland documentary, featuring fresh abuse claims by Jackson’s one-time fans Wade Robson and James Safechuck.
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He probably needs some money now that he's out of prison and this is his way of getting it. Let's hope he stays out of this.
 
Xscape2041;4251464 said:
Streisand is either just dumb or covering up for the elite. Who knows.
Politically at least she is very much pushing the BS mainstream version of events on her twitter.
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Striesand is old, dumb, not reading facts and friends with David Geffen and the rest of the “Gay Mafia”. That’s what these people were called in the media. Btw, how old is she anyway? People like her are too damn lazy to look for facts, she just goes along with the flow of her rich friends. The ironic thins is NONE of these people would be saying this if Michael was alive. They think they can say anything because he’s not here to defend himself. Btw, Robson and Safechuck would never have made these false allegations if Michael was here. They would have been too afraid. Gutless cowards!!
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Ba ba is prob covering for all the real abusers shes knows in hollywood
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First I thought she's just being gullible and/or dumb, but you know what, you could be right (but she still must be dumb to comment such things though). This whole thing is just unreal. :fear:
 
somewhereinthedark;4251470 said:
Striesand is old, dumb, not reading facts and friends with David Geffen and the rest of the “Gay Mafia”. That’s what these people were called in the media. Btw, how old is she anyway? People like her are too damn lazy to look for facts, she just goes along with the flow of her rich friends. The ironic thins is NONE of these people would be saying this if Michael was alive. They think they can say anything because he’s not here to defend himself. Btw, Robson and Safechuck would never have made these false allegations if Michael was here. They would have been too afraid. Gutless cowards!!
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I think they would have done that if they asked him for something and he said no they would have accused him.
 
ChrisC said:
But if he really believes these two hustlers, why do we matter to him?
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He seems the sort of person who gets offended if you disagree with him and so comes gun blazing after you. A big bully. Look how he went after Piers Morgan when he was questioned which wasn't even a tough interview. They've always come after the fans in the past as well because we are throwing facts at people.
 
volitional said:
He probably needs some money now that he's out of prison and this is his way of getting it. Let's hope he stays out of this.
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It would be very sad if after so many years (and definitely respected among the fans for sure) he'd now stab him in the back. Especially when he can actually bring out real dirt about other celebrities, which he seems to claim he has. So provide actual proof of wrongdoing on the part of other celebs and leave MJ alone if all you're gonna do is fabricate a story. Because if he's gonna go against MJ now... it won't be anything else. And we have a lot to discredit it with.

Either way, from what I've read today is that this site called The daily Beast was claiming Pelicano said this and that, but knowing the media it could easily have been twisted on purpose. And NY Times reporting on it refers to The Hollywood Reporter where he allegedly had spoken to from jail. Nothing concrete at all. I kinda hope he stays silent because really, even if he were to have something bad against the Chandlers, how much will it even mean at this point? There's already tons of stuff about that shady ass family.


Xscape2041 said:
Streisand is either just dumb or covering up for the elite. Who knows.
Politically at least she is very much pushing the BS mainstream version of events on her twitter.
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What concerned me the most was her wording. If she actually said those words, that is. It's like she's parroting Dan Reed and those words are scary and suspicious as hell already to begin with.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Random vent - very little boils my blood more than Michael being referred to as a monster. There is an article in the Atlantic with that title and I felt like I would fly up to the US and just cause mayhem.

As extraordinary as Michael was, he was a human being - flawed like us all. But that man was no monster. The blasted nerve of some people.

Look I am stepping away before I get banned.
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They do that to sell and make $$$$$
 
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