somewhere online there is a full transcript of the phone call. If I find it I will try to post it
Got it for you! Here:
1 CONVERSATION 1
2 between Dave Schwartz and Evan Chandler:
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4 MR. CHANDLER: — discuss why it might
5 be harmful.
6 Suppose I’m right? I mean if Michael
7 loves [tape irregularity] Lisa at least want to
8 hear my opinion about why what’s going on could be
9 potentially harmful? If you love somebody, you
10 don’t want them to get hurt.
11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want to talk it
12 in front of Jordy, about that?
13 MR. CHANDLER: Huh?
14 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want to talk
15 about that in front of Jordy?
16 MR. CHANDLER: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
17 He has to be there.
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
19 MR. CHANDLER: He has to be there, and
20 one of the reasons that he has to be there is
21 because he’s always gonna remember it. Somebody
22 has to be the — there’s gotta be some one person
23 that later on in life he can look back on and kind
24 of pattern himself after someone or have some
25 structure for his own existence, based on — he’ll
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1 look at me, and he’ll say, “Yeah. He was honest,
2 he had integrity, he had respect. I could trust
3 him. He never lied to me,” all that kind of stuff.
4 He may hate me now. He may not be able
5 to articulate all of those things in his own head
6 right now, but when he sees it, it’ll be in his
7 head, and when he’s old enough there will be those
8 things that will be important to him. Hopefully
9 I’ll be able to portray those things to him,
10 because I think they’re important.
11 I also think it’s incredibly important
12 to have somebody else in your life that really
13 loves you and you really love them because if
14 you’re [tape irregularity] happy.
15 I’ve never seen a single solo, isolated
16 human being who was truly happy –
17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
18 MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s what’s
19 going to happen to Jordy.
20 I think that’s June’s situation.
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
22 MR. CHANDLER: June has nobody. You
23 tell me who June has. You tell me who June has who
24 really loves her, who she really loves back, you
25 can’t think of one person.
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, I can.
2 MR. CHANDLER: Who?
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Gloria.
4 MR. CHANDLER: Gloria.
5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Really.
6 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
7 inaudible.)
8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Gloria, Nadine or Florence.
9 She’s pretty close with her friends.
10 MR. CHANDLER: Nah, she’s –
11 MR. SCHWARTZ: She’s — wait.
12 MR. CHANDLER: She believes that –
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: She’s close with you.
14 MR. CHANDLER: — four or five cups of
15 caffeine in the morning and gets on the phone and
16 yaps (inaudible) all day, you commiserate about
17 their miseries –
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: But, you know, here’s
19 the whole thing. We can’t, you know, I can’t put
20 her down that all she’s doing is hanging out. It’s
21 not so horrible.
22 MR. CHANDLER: That what?
23 MR. SCHWARTZ: That, you know, I mean,
24 she’s into hanging out.
25 MR. CHANDLER: Hanging out is okay.
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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: I know. She’s –
2 MR. CHANDLER: Hanging out’s kind of a
3 benign thing. She’s not hanging out anymore. When
4 she stopped hanging out –
5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
6 MR. CHANDLER: — and became actively
7 destructive in Jordy’s life is when I stepped in
8 and when I decided I have to do something about it.
9 I tried to talk to her about it, Dave,
10 on several occasions.
11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, we know she’s hard
12 to talk to.
13 MR. CHANDLER: Well, if you could — if
14 you could — yes. I mean, that’s unquestionable.
15 She is impossible to talk to. And I’ve never
16 really — I mean, I’ve gotten angry with her many
17 times and –
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
19 MR. CHANDLER: — [tape irregularity]
20 long as you’ve stepped in –
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right.
22 MR. CHANDLER: — the issue has never
23 involved potentially harming Jordy for the rest of
24 his life –
25 MR. SCHWARTZ: [Tape irregularity.]
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1 MR. CHANDLER: — issues over Jordy
2 before that I’ve backed down –
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
4 MR. CHANDLER: — because you asked me
5 to or whatever the reason was –
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
7 MR. CHANDLER: — and I’ve never
8 been — I’ve never been that set on pursuing it
9 until now because I truly believe this will damage
10 him for the rest of his life. And she will
11 not — and I’ve told her that, and I’ve tried to
12 talk to her about that –
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
14 MR. CHANDLER: — and she’s not willing
15 to talk to me about it.
16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
17 MR. CHANDLER: She doesn’t even want to
18 hear what might be harming him.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
20 MR. CHANDLER: She doesn’t want to
21 even know — she doesn’t want to hear any words.
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: What if –
23 MR. CHANDLER: “Get out of my face.
24 Don’t even mention that.” That’s not an issue for
25 her.
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1 I mean, what kind of person is that?
2 If — I stopped taking that personally.
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, we all have
4 different ways of coping.
5 MR. CHANDLER: You see, as an adult,
6 coping’s no excuse. That’s like driving drunk and
7 saying, “I’m sorry, but I didn’t realize there was
8 a law against driving drunk” and you just ran on
9 the sidewalk.
10 The fact is you’re a responsible adult.
11 You’re supposed to have some sense and judgment,
12 and that’s how it’s going to go down.
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. How about if you,
14 June and I get together?
15 MR. CHANDLER: No. Why do you keep
16 doing that?
17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because I don’t — I
18 don’t want to subject Jordy to this until — I
19 mean, I feel very uncomfortable –
20 MR. CHANDLER: Let me put it to you
21 this way: I have a set routine of words that I’m
22 going to go in there that have been rehearsed and
23 I’m going to say.
24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
25 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? Because I don’t
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1 want to say anything that could be used against me.
2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
3 MR. CHANDLER: So I know exactly what I
4 can say. That’s why I’m bringing the tape
5 recorder.
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
7 MR. CHANDLER: I have some things on
8 paper to show a few people –
9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
10 MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s it. My
11 whole part is going to take two or three minutes,
12 and I’m going to turn around [tape irregularity],
13 and that’s it. There’s not going to be anything
14 said, other than what I’ve been told to say –
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
16 MR. CHANDLER: — and I’m going to turn
17 around and leave, and they’re going to have a
18 decision to make.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
20 MR. CHANDLER: And based on that
21 decision, I’ll decide whether or not we’re going to
22 talk again or whether it’s going to go further.
23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
24 MR. CHANDLER: I have to make a phone
25 call. As soon as I leave the house, I get on the
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1 telephone.
2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
3 MR. CHANDLER: I make a phone call.
4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
5 MR. CHANDLER: Say “Go” or I say,
6 “Don’t go yet,” and that’s –
7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
8 MR. CHANDLER: — the way it’s gonna to
9 be.
10 I’ve been told what to do, and I have
11 to do it.
12 I’m not — I happen to know what’s
13 going to be going on, see? They don’t have to say
14 anything to me. [Tape irregularity] “you have
15 refused to listen to me. Now you’re going to have
16 to listen to me. This is my position. Give it a
17 thought.”
18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
19 MR. CHANDLER: “Think it over.”
20 I’m not saying anything bad about
21 anybody, okay? I’ve got it all on paper.
22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
23 MR. CHANDLER: I’m going to hand out
24 the paper so that I don’t inadvertently [tape
25 irregularity], handing out the paper, “Michael,
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1 here’s your paper. June, here’s your paper.”
2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
3 MR. CHANDLER: “Compare papers. Read
4 this whole thing. This is my feelings about it.
5 Do you want to talk further? We’ll talk again.”
6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
7 MR. CHANDLER: “If you don’t” [tape
8 irregularity] — but, see, all I’m trying to do
9 now, they have forced me to go [tape irregularity]
10 on paper and give it to them to read –
11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
12 MR. CHANDLER: — because [tape
13 irregularity]. I mean, isn’t that pitiful?
14 Now, why would they want to cut me out,
15 to go this far, spend this much money, spend so
16 much time in my life crying, being away from my
17 practice, not paying [tape irregularity] everybody
18 else? Why would they want to put me through that?
19 And I made it very clear to June that she was
20 putting me through that because I didn’t want any
21 misunderstandings. I’ve done everything I could to
22 appeal to her. (Inaudible) is cold and heart- –
23 absolutely cold and heartless. That’s all –
24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, maybe on the
25 surface it appears like that, but I –
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1 MR. CHANDLER: I know on the surface
2 June is charming –
3 MR. SCHWARTZ: No, no. I think on the
4 surface it might appear cold, but I don’t — I
5 don’t agree with that.
6 MR. CHANDLER: Dave, “Go **** yourself”
7 is not a surface reaction.
8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Have you
9 ever — you mean you have never done that, right?
10 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
11 inaudible) and they say “Go **** yourself,” that’s
12 not a surface –
13 MR. SCHWARTZ: You’ve never done it?
14 MR. CHANDLER: — sorry.
15 MR. SCHWARTZ: You’ve never done it? I
16 mean, have you ever got pissed at a friend and
17 gotten in an argument for three weeks?
18 MR. CHANDLER: No, no, no.
19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Never, ever?
20 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
21 inaudible) — like that, Dave, not consistently
22 like that.
23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well –
24 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous,
25 inaudible) — so far as to go to say, “Okay.
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1 Forget about me. This is what’s going on with
2 Jordan. This is my concern,” and have her say “Go
3 **** yourself” again. So [tape irregularity] there
4 I said, “This is not a human being I’m dealing with
5 anymore.”
