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[Laura_Jo]

Again, I don't care what the family says.
I use my own ears, and what I hear is NOT Michael's voice.
Again, what the family says doesn't matter and never mattered to me.
I would have thought the same even if they hadn't said anything before.

I'm the same. Before this whole ridiculous ordeal began I hadn't been on MJJC for a year. I'd heard nothing about this track before listening to it myself. I thought it was a joke when I first listened - the vocals were so obviously not Michael.

 

[callmerose]

I have a request.
There are several vocal characteristics on the verses of BN that make me think it is not Michael. One is the way he pronounces "wanting" in the first verse. It sounds like wah-in. I can't recall Michael every pronouncing wanting or a similar word this way. It just doesn't sound like him to me.
If this is Michael, there should be other examples in his many recordings of a similar word pronounced this way. If anyone finds one, can you please post it so we can compare with BN. Thanks.

 

[HIStory]

Of course this has to to with the family.

The voice in the music is different from most of MJ songs (like 2000watts). So everyone started to agree with the family and the hell began. If the 3T didn't have written their conspiracy theories, many fans would not have been outraged.

Fans were very excited and positive up until the release of the song. Right upon hearing the song all hell broke loose. 3T tweeted only later that day.

 

[144000]

Of course this has to to with the family.

The voice in the music is different from most of MJ songs (like 2000watts). So everyone started to agree with the family and the hell began. If the 3T didn't have written their conspiracy theories, many fans would not have been outraged.

i never listen to music through other peoples' ears. if i did that, i wouldn't like Invincible or This Is It, or Hold My Hand. but i love all three of them.

 

[Miss_Dangerous]

I've just had another listen. I decided to leave it for a few days then listen again with fresh ears. I stand by what I've been saying all along. I think this is Michael but I think his vocals were taken from a very rough demo.

I like the song but my enjoyment of it has been tainted by all of the controversy. I can't listen to it without thinking 'what if it isn't him?'
Its a real shame, we should all be enjoying this moment.

 

[LovingMJ]

So for 50 years Michael always pronounced words in a certain way but all of a sudden, when recording songs with the Cascios...ONLY when recording songs with the Cascios...he decides to pronounce words in a different way, and change his voice or whatever? I see.


...nope, not convinced.

 

[Casey R]

So for 50 years Michael always pronounced words in a certain way but all of a sudden, when recording songs with the Cascios...ONLY when recording songs with the Cascios...he decides to pronounce words in a different way, and change his voice or whatever? I see.


...nope, not convinced.

I was about to say this, lol.

The fact remains - the man recorded for 40 years. Hundreds and hundreds of songs, released, and unreleased. Many of us here have heard every single one of those songs (released and unreleased ones that have leaked)....... and these Cascio songs are the FIRST, I repeat, THE FIRST time that it doesn't sound like Michael.

Because it's just not him.

 

[HIStory]

So for 50 years Michael always pronounced words in a certain way but all of a sudden, when recording songs with the Cascios...ONLY when recording songs with the Cascios...he decides to pronounce words in a different way, and change his voice or whatever? I see.


...nope, not convinced.

Exactly. How come it's only the Cascio songs that are questionable but all of those are?! How come on NONE of those tracks MJ sounds like he does everywhere else?

 

[Miss_Dangerous]

Exactly. How come it's only the Cascio songs that are questionable but all of those are?! How come on NONE of those tracks MJ sounds like he does everywhere else?

I can understand the way he says a few things like what was pointed out recently 'wah-in' instead of 'wanting' but wouldn't a Michael Jackson impersonator know this and pronounce 'wanting' how it should be? Just an idea?

 

[Arklove]

I've just had another listen. I decided to leave it for a few days then listen again with fresh ears. I stand by what I've been saying all along. I think this is Michael but I think his vocals were taken from a very rough demo.

I like the song but my enjoyment of it has been tainted by all of the controversy. I can't listen to it without thinking 'what if it isn't him?'
Its a real shame, we should all be enjoying this moment.

Exactly!! That's why I say, even IF there are some vocals on there that are Michael's, the questionable songs should just be taken out, because no one can really truly enjoy the songs now...

It could be my mind playing with me, but jsut listened to the song online (as someone mentioned it was gone) and it's like I hear different vocals now. Not much difference, but I'm missing the more obvious points where I thought, is that Michael....

But then again, it could be just me.

NO! It's NOT just you...Someone posted almost the same thing as you last night, so I listened again...There is something definitely changed about the vocals now...I think a new track has been posted on mj.com....I even listened REALLY REALLY closely to the way he sings 'Michael Jackson'....and he actually sounds more like how Mike would pronounce his own name...it's not so exaggerated anymore...I just want to keep an open mind about it...

 

[F D B]

Are you a native English speaker?


Well, people that are not native to English usually have to learn English and some of them are able to learn (or should try at least) the different pronunciation.

You can completely change your general pronunciation of words if you learn that. Some people have speaking abilities that you would be scared of. Michael is very talented as a singer. His voice can adopt many different styles. So you can't apply your "it's the way it's pronounced" theory because it's scientifically proved that people can change the pronunciation of words completely.

Go to a university and ask a linguist on this matter.

LOL! You crack me up...
You're starting to sound like Sony with all their "forensic musicologist" stuff
I really respect you thinking it's MJ, honestly I do.... what I don't respect from you is the fact that you keep using "audio technologies" and "audio editing technics" as your argument, your alibi, to proove your points when, clearly, you know nothing about the subject.

Seems that now you're realizing, pronnunciation cannot be changed via software and editing technics, so you're starting to use the 'language learning' plot.

As "LovingMJ" said:

So for 50 years Michael always pronounced words in a certain way but all of a sudden, when recording songs with the Cascios...ONLY when recording songs with the Cascios...he decides to pronounce words in a different way, and change his voice or whatever? I see.


...nope, not convinced.

Finally, if you STILL believe it's MJ, it's fine, you don't need to get into stuff you don't know about, to convince other people.
See? Take a look at all of my posts, I've never tried to convince anybody that it's NOT MJ, all I did was clear up stuff about Audio, so more people won't get it twisted.

 

[StephluvsMJ]

Of course this has to to with the family.

The voice in the music is different from most of MJ songs (like 2000watts). So everyone started to agree with the family and the hell began. If the 3T didn't have written their conspiracy theories, many fans would not have been outraged.

Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the family. I didn't believe the family. When they started yapping about fake songs I thought "here we go again :smilerolleyes:" I said, in the chat room, when the BN teaser was released on that Friday "why would Sony pay $250 million for fake songs?! It's ridiculous!". Then I heard the song on the Monday and I couldn't hear Michael. The only time I heard Michael's voice was in the bridge and faintly in the background. There must be more songs in the vault that are near complete that could be used for the album. Why, at this point, would they be mucking around with bad demos that don't sound much like Michael? This is the FIRST posthumous album. It's not like they've run out of material to use and they're trying to clean up the badly recorded songs like they're desperate for tracks to fill out an album. Why are they so protective of these Cascio tracks? Just take them off. They aren't complete and these guys are playing the guessing game trying to figure out what MJ would want the song to sound like using rough guide vocals. Is there NO completed tracks in the vault that are releasable?

 

[F D B]

Exactly!! That's why I say, even IF there are some vocals on there that are Michael's, the questionable songs should just be taken out, because no one can really truly enjoy the songs now...



NO! It's NOT just you...Someone posted almost the same thing as you last night, so I listened again...There is something definitely changed about the vocals now...I think a new track has been posted on mj.com....I even listened REALLY REALLY closely to the way he sings 'Michael Jackson'....and he actually sounds more like how Mike would pronounce his own name...it's not so exaggerated anymore...I just want to keep an open mind about it...

Just a thought: Couldn't it be that you listened the song so many times that you got used to it and the way it sounds by now? That, plus a little bit of paranoia?.
Because I just got into the Official web to check it out again to see if what you were saying was actually true, but I still hear the same song as before. The only thing I did notice was a little more quality, like the uploaded a file with a better bitrate.

 

[kasume]

NO! It's NOT just you...Someone posted almost the same thing as you last night, so I listened again...There is something definitely changed about the vocals now...I think a new track has been posted on mj.com....I even listened REALLY REALLY closely to the way he sings 'Michael Jackson'....and he actually sounds more like how Mike would pronounce his own name...it's not so exaggerated anymore...I just want to keep an open mind about it...

What? Can someone who noticed these changes please point them out to me?

I'm listening to the song a second time right now for these changes, but I can't notice.

Does anyone have a link or downloaded the audio to the original? Please pm me if so so that I can compare.

 

[The One.]

I've just had another listen. I decided to leave it for a few days then listen again with fresh ears. I stand by what I've been saying all along. I think this is Michael but I think his vocals were taken from a very rough demo.

I like the song but my enjoyment of it has been tainted by all of the controversy. I can't listen to it without thinking 'what if it isn't him?'
Its a real shame, we should all be enjoying this moment.

Yeah And I still think it's such a catchy song! But it's all ruined now anyway. Sigh. Could we just forget about this..

 

[MoeJack]

I can understand the way he says a few things like what was pointed out recently 'wah-in' instead of 'wanting' but wouldn't a Michael Jackson impersonator know this and pronounce 'wanting' how it should be? Just an idea?

Easier said than done. It's obvious that if this was indeed an impersonator..that he didnt an excellent job at recreating Michael's voice. Absolutely amazing..to the point where he has so many of us fooled. Again, this is in the case that it is indeed an impersonator. But like with anything, you can't get it all right..you're bound to miss a few things here and there. There's a different between someone who knows Michael and worked with him and knows his voice..and someone like us who are essentialy experts at knowing his voice because we've heard it over and over for so long. we've heard all of his songs and listend to all of his live speaking in concerts and short films, we've seen him speak in documentaries and interviews, we know his voice inside out. So we are the best people at judging if it sounds like him or not. Even if it turns out that it was him but highly edited..we were still right in feeling that somethign was wrong..

 

[Applehead Ale]

if its an impresionator, which it is most of the song, he may not have done a great job, what really helped was release the track saying IT IS MICHAEL JACKSON.

 

[Korgnex]

Seems that now you're realizing, pronnunciation cannot be changed via software and editing technics, so you're starting to use the 'language learning' plot.

No. I've just provided some basic informations as usual. Because claims that you can't do this with software or claims that you can't learn to completely change pronunciation are FALSE.


Excample for changing the pronuciation? Here's the OFFICIAL FORD Remix of "One More Chance":

Michael Jackson - "One More Chance (FORD Remix)"

 

[Graf]

NO! It's NOT just you...Someone posted almost the same thing as you last night, so I listened again...There is something definitely changed about the vocals now...I think a new track has been posted on mj.com....I even listened REALLY REALLY closely to the way he sings 'Michael Jackson'....and he actually sounds more like how Mike would pronounce his own name...it's not so exaggerated anymore...I just want to keep an open mind about it...

I don't notice anything different...It sounds exactly the same to me ,Still the super exaggerated "Michael Jackson" , Frankly I think our minds are playing tricks on us.. , They should have never even released a song that could possibly create this kind of reaction, it saddens and confuses me why they did..

 

[144000]

Yeah And I still think it's such a catchy song! But it's all ruined now anyway. Sigh. Could we just forget about this..

see, this is the kind of thing that makes me think Invincible is doing so well, with the passage of time. people here are admitting they are influenced by other voices. why? why let media, or family, or other posters influence your ears? they don't influence mine. i don't understand that.

 

[Miss_Dangerous]

I don't notice anything different...It sounds exactly the same to me ,Still the super exaggerated "Michael Jackson" , Frankly I think our minds are playing tricks on us..

The exaggerated part is 'Jackson' which is sang by the backing singer(s).

 

[Miss_Dangerous]

see, this is the kind of thing that makes me think Invincible is doing so well, with the passage of time. people here are admitting they are influenced by other voices. why? why let media, or family, or other posters influence your ears? they don't influence mine. i don't understand that.

I think because people are doubting their own judgement due to the majority of people not believing its him. Even if this didn't affect what you thought, your enjoyment still wouldn't be what it should be because as a fan, you want the majority of other fans to share the enjoyment with you.

 

[L.T.D]

Of course this has to to with the family.

The voice in the music is different from most of MJ songs (like 2000watts). So everyone started to agree with the family and the hell began. If the 3T didn't have written their conspiracy theories, many fans would not have been outraged.

Everyone started to agree with the family AFTER they heard the song and thought it was fake. Before we heard it we all thought the family were lieing.

What i'm saying is, our opinion on it not being him has not been influenced by the family.

 

[Maceo]

The guy who sings in the song must be having a good time lauging reading all our post!!!

 

[StephluvsMJ]

No. I've just provided some basic informations as usual. Because claims that you can't do this with software or claims that you can't learn to completely change pronunciation are FALSE.


Excample for changing the pronuciation? Here's the OFFICIAL FORD Remix of "One More Chance":

Michael Jackson - "One More Chance (FORD Remix)"

Ok, if it was Michael, why would the Cascios or Teddy deliberately change the pronunciation? What for? to make us doubtful? And if it was possible to change the pronunciation, and this was an impersonator, why couldn't they fix the pronunciation to make it sound more like Michael? Nothing makes sense.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

The guy who sings in the song must be having a good time lauging reading all our post!!!

I doubt he will be having a 'good time' he is probably fearing for his life.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Ok, if it was Michael, why would the Cascios or Teddy deliberately change the pronunciation? And if it was possible, and this was an impersonator, why couldn't they fix the pronunciation to make it sound more like Michael? Nothing makes sense.

Exactly why would he do this, i'm pretty sure there are enough track's to fill a 10 track album with pure Michael, so why are sony using these tracks anyway. His voice in my opinion doesn't sound as good, so we he would like the idea of that is beyond me, that's because IMO he wouldn't. Also forget the vocals, the track has hardly any Michael in it. The chorus is soo weak, cheesy and poor, and i feel confident in saying that as i believe this part of the song is 0% Michael Jackson.

 

[The One.]

Everyone started to agree with the family AFTER they heard the song and thought it was fake. Before we heard it we all thought the family were lieing.

What i'm saying is, our opinion on it not being him has not been influenced by the family.

But if the family didn't have said anything, no one would have even thought about it possibly being fake. I still think the family's statement influenced some of the fans.

 

[Arklove]

I don't notice anything different...It sounds exactly the same to me ,Still the super exaggerated "Michael Jackson" , Frankly I think our minds are playing tricks on us.. , They should have never even released a song that could possibly create this kind of reaction, it saddens and confuses me why they did..

Well, I don't know...I listened last night, but not again today, as I'm at work....So, who knows....Just get these stupid tracks off so we don't have to talk about them anymore...

 

[Darling Dear]

But if the family didn't have said anything, no one would have even thought about it possibly being fake. I still think the family's statement influenced some of the fans.

My sister heard it and she hadn't heard any of the family's speculations. I told her "It's the new Michael Jackson song" ,just to see what she'd say, and she firmly argued how that can't be him. Just saying. But I'm sure it did influence some.