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"Breaking News" All General Discussion Here [Merged]

What do You Think Now???

  • Now im Sure Its Michael!!!

    Votes: 89 21.4%

  • I Still Think its Not him!!!

    Votes: 223 53.7%

  • I now think that its Michael, but still have my doubts!!

    Votes: 24 5.8%

  • Im Confused!!!!

    Votes: 79 19.0%
  • Total voters
    415
  • Poll closed .
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GinnyJackson said:
Right this second... This is how i feel.
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I second that.
 
Indra said:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6tgpbs

"They should only release songs that everyone KNOWS are my Uncle (at the very least). No one questioned the vocal of "This is It". And no one is questioning the vocals on majority of the upcoming songs on the "Michael" album either. But there are songs slated to appear that are very questionable. If sonically there are deep questions. And there is NO tangible evidence to prove otherwise, than it doesn't belong. PERIOD. My Uncle's legacy isn't a toy to be played with."
- TJ Jackson
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Exactly.

This mess is preposterous to such a degree you've got to wonder whether it wasn't done deliberately. All they had to do was to only include tracks on which Michael is unequivocally recognizable. But no, instead of doing something perfectly simple, various people's agendas had to get in the way, leading to this pathetic fakery.

I don't need a confirmation from Sony or the Pope that it is or isn't MJ's vocals. I know, without the shadow of a doubt, that it's not him (except for one or two yelps perhaps, and a few micro-snippets that seem to have been "sown" onto the imposter's vocals, at the beginning or ending of some lines...). So they can come out with all the forensic audiologists and "guide vocals" nonesense they want, to me MJ is not the lead or background vocalist on this track. Full stop.

I feel sick for Michael. Why does every situation relating to him always have to turn into a farce because of people's incompetence?
 
Why do people keep posting there background in music as if that gives them more credability over everyone else?

We've had rappers, DJ's, people who have spent 7 years in music school, producers, dinner ladies, postmen and farmers.

Its more about how certain words are pronounced than the pitch and tone of the vocals. The way certain words are pronounced just scream out that it isnt Michael.
 
Kirshach said:
I'm just saying that there are the ones who aren't and they felt probably the same
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I can understand that, but had the family not said anything before the release, we might not have as many fans doubting it as we have now.

We really can't know for sure anyway, since it already happened..
 
MJStorm said:
Prove that the vocals are false.
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No one wants to leak the demo that has been specifically asked for several times.

I can understand that, but had the family not said anything before the release, we might not have as many fans doubting it as we have now.
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I know I will get bashed for this, and I will say it anyways. I'm tired of blaming all this on the family. Hasn't it occured to anyone that maybe they didn't feel Michael in the song also? The family's opinions shouldn't matter.

What matters is whether we as a fan TRULY and STRONGLY can feel Michael's soul in that song 100%.
 
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MJStorm said:
Strange.

It's strange when someone writes something that makes sense.
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Its nothing to do with the family saying it before hand, or having any previous hate for Sony.

Go find some old posts from before Monday morning.

Everybody was against The Jacksons and were pro Sony. People including myself were saying things such as 'They are going to look so stupid when Breaking News comes out on Monday Morning:D'

I was actually totally convinced they were lieing, I didnt know why. I just knew they were lieing.

As soon as I heard the song that all changed. Its nothing to do with the family saying it before hand. They were saying it for the same reasons as us, simply because it doesnt sound like Michael.
 
noumene said:
Exactly.

This mess is preposterous to such a degree you've got to wonder whether it wasn't done deliberately. All they had to do was to only include tracks on which Michael is unequivocally recognizable. But no, instead of doing something perfectly simple, various people's agendas had to get in the way, leading to this pathetic fakery.

I don't need a confirmation from Sony or the Pope that it is or isn't MJ's vocals. I know, without the shadow of a doubt, that it's not him (except for one or two yelps perhaps, and a few micro-snippets that seem to have been "sown" onto the imposter's vocals, at the beginning or ending of some lines...). So they can come out with all the forensic audiologists and "guide vocals" nonesense they want, to me MJ is not the lead or background vocalist on this track. Full stop.

I feel sick for Michael. Why does every situation relating to him always have to turn into a farce due to people's incompetence?
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I had to bold that last sentence as it was so freaking true. When he was here it was bad enough, but now he's gone it's just a free-for-all for liars and fakes to sully his reputation and legacy.

I believe that the Cascio tracks are nothing more than a patchwork of imposter singing main vocals plus ad libs lifted from previous MJ tracks to try to obscure them.

For example Michael's 'whoaaa' has been lifted from On The Line and used in Monster. It's no-question-about-it identical.

I could link you to the clips but no doubt that's not allowed even though it's only a second. Michael didn't add his ad libs in after the main track was recorded - even on demos he always sings the same 'hoos' etc as part of his main vocal. There are none because the main vocal isn't him singing.
 
kasume said:
No one wants to leak the demo that has been specifically asked for several times.
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:wtf2

Is this your proof?

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Perhaps a time-out needs to be taken. The truth is, we HAVE NOT received a confirmed tracklisting yet. The move by Sony to put Breaking News on the website but NOT release it as a single could be telling. As well as Monster and All I Need being leaked. Once we receive an official tracklisting, let's take it from there. Sony and the Estate know our views.
 
Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

eXceLOfFam1 said:
just like you i am an artist, Rapper/Singer/Producer and i've also read some absurd logic in these threads concerning BN, have you ever heard of melodyne? it is possible to change a whole arrangement/key/melody with this program, this was not used on BN if you ask me but here is an example of it used on a mj song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJb9SxNUTRo at times it has been passed off as a stranger in moscow demo from the 80's, it is clearly not to anyone with ears, that being said, from my perspective, and id like to imagine that i have a good musical ear lol, BN is in fact michael jackson, at first i was quite skeptical about it, i was sure it wasnt him, after getting to the official acapella i realized that it is in fact him, it is extremely processed however, it is a demo, do not forget that, the vocals have the agression of michael jackson, it might be pitched/tempo edited or something along the lines, it is very choppy as well, cut and pasted to the T, the cut and pasting is covered up extremely well by the instrumentation and music, they actually did a good job of putting this song together, if the vocals were not so processed i think it would sound great, i even pitched the song up and resampled it, it sounds like an mj dangerous outtake, so from a musical perspective id have to agree with all of these so called un-named engineers and ppl that have confirmed it, teddy riley is a better musician than I and he has worked with MJ, so ppl quit the bickering, I also get the MJ feeling from the song, especially the chorus, it has been stuck in my head for the past few days as a matter of fact, to those claiming that it is not michael jackson at all, you need to open up your ears, even if the lead is not MJ, which it is in fact, the adlibs in the background certainly belong to him, it is michael jackson folks, just in a way you've never heard him, or should have had to hear him but this is what it has come to, Breaking News is Michael Jackson
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Yeah bro, I do know Melodyne and we use it too, it's a great piece of Software. I just didn't mention it in my post, because general public doesn't know Melodyne, but they are familiar with the term Auto-Tune and they use it as if it made you sound like anything you want or something like that.
I can't hear any signs of Melodyne on Breaking News either. And I still stand firm for what I've said, you can't sound like another human being with any technology. Melodyne can't change your pronnunciation, neither can it change your vocal registry.

My main aim with these informations I'm giving away on my posts, is not about changing your opinions from "it's MJ" to "it's not MJ". My main aim is stopping ignorance. I'm trying to (don't get me wrong) teach some people about things I know. Although I'm starting to think it's in vain, because even after my huge post about Audio recording/mixing/editing I still read people saying "it's Michael, but it has auto-tune" and that kinda ish.
I honestly don't mind if some peolpe still think it's MJ. I can live with it. What I can't live with, is people spraying false information all over just because they heard it somewhere, or missinterpreted from something someone said.

BTW: Who said the acapella is Official? To me it's not. So I suggest you take it with a pinch of salt.

To me, it's not MJ.
 
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I was adamant that that song had NOTHING of Michael's vocals when I first heard it...BUT, I listened to it last night again, after someone in here said that they listened to it again, and strangely it sounds different..sounds more like Michael....SO, of course, curiosity got the best of me...So I listened again....and once more....and it DOES sound different now....I am convinced there's more of Michael's vocals than we previously thought...Definitely, there are some different backing vocals, but you can definitely hear his voice now...I have no doubt about it now....It's been layered with production, so it was impossible to believe any of it was Michael....BUT now, it seems that what I am hearing on the site has been altered in some way...almost to strip away some of the heavy production and I'm hearing more raw vocals...

Do I believe that ALL vocals are 100% Michaels? No, but Sony never said they were in the first place....

Do I think Breaking News, or ANY questionable songs by the Cascios or anyone else for that matter should be included on the album? Definitely not, because even if those vocals ARE Michael's..or some of them anyways, the song is still tarnished, in my opinion, because it's pretty much impossible to truly enjoy the song now...I think that the song was original Michael's work (come ON, that bass lick??) and some of the harmonies are something he would have done....I just think it's overproduced, and of course, doesn't have Michael's special touch...

I posted earlier that I think Sony did one of two things....Either changed the song's production to make it sound more like Michael (which is the way it should have been in the first place, even if they had to do some heavy cutting/pasting/editing)...they did this due to the fan's concerns.....OR, they disguised the vocals to get everyone TALKING about it....publicity stunt still rings LOUD and CLEAR in my head...

As for Teddy Riley, and him saying the vocals are his...Well, he seems genuinely honest about that, but I dont' think he's happy with the way Sony have decided to premiere this song with such damaging controversy...And that's why I think Teddy said in his radio interview and other tweets or whatever that 'the truth will come out later this week'.....Sony obviously went too far with this supposed 'publicity stunt'....They said themselves in an article I posted earlier (not sure how true it is), but they stated 'it's good for publicity'.....and that doesn't seem so far off to me....

So, not sure exactly what is going on...But I feel a little more settled with the whole thing now...I still believe they need to exclude those tracks though....
 
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Nevermind it's back up lool..for a second I thought we were on to something..
 
L.T.D said:
Its nothing to do with the family saying it before hand, or having any previous hate for Sony.

Go find some old posts from before Monday morning.

Everybody was against The Jacksons and were pro Sony. People including myself were saying things such as 'They are going to look so stupid when Breaking News comes out on Monday Morning:D'

I was actually totally convinced they were lieing, I didnt know why. I just knew they were lieing.

As soon as I heard the song that all changed. Its nothing to do with the family saying it before hand. They were saying it for the same reasons as us, simply because it doesnt sound like Michael.
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Of course this has to to with the family.

The voice in the music is different from most of MJ songs (like 2000watts). So everyone started to agree with the family and the hell began. If the 3T didn't have written their conspiracy theories, many fans would not have been outraged.
 
Tj just tweeted:
On Wednesday 10th November 2010, @tjjackson said:

They should only release songs that everyone KNOWS are my Uncle (at the very least). No one questioned the vocal of "This is It". And no one is questioning the vocals on majority of the upcoming songs on the "Michael" album either. But there are songs slated to appear that are very questionable. If sonically there are deep questions. And there is NO tangible evidence to prove otherwise, than it doesn't belong. PERIOD. My Uncle's legacy isn't a toy to be played with.

Completely agree with him.
 
MJStorm said:
Of course this has to to with the family.

The voice of the music is different from most of MJ songs (like 2000watts). So everyone started to agree with the family and the hell began. If the 3T didn't have written their conspiracy theories, many fans would not have been outraged.
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Again, I don't care what the family says.
I use my own ears, and what I hear is NOT Michael's voice.
Again, what the family says doesn't matter and never mattered to me.
I would have thought the same even if they hadn't said anything before.
 
LovingMJ said:
Again, I don't care what the family says.
I use my own ears, and what I hear is NOT Michael's voice.
Again, what the family says doesn't matter and never mattered to me.
I would have thought the same even if they hadn't said anything before.
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I'm not talking about you. I'm referring to part of the fans.
 
MJStorm said:
:wtf2

Is this your proof?

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I was just mentioning that.

But since you're bringing up proof about all this.

If a true Michael fan says they can't feel Michael in his song. That is 1000% proof right there.

Again, I don't care what the family says.
I use my own ears, and what I hear is NOT Michael's voice.
Again, what the family says doesn't matter and never mattered to me.
I would have thought the same even if they hadn't said anything before.
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Agree! That's just what I was saying. And correct if I'm wrong, but before the full song was out, wasn't the majority of the fans on here calling the Jackson family's statements complete rubbish and were bashing them for it? And now it's the same majority that weren't believing them, now AGREE with them.

So the Jackson's really didn't have an impact.

And the Jackson didn't start any crap!!! It's just that they had the privelage to be the first ones to hear breaking news.
 
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It could be my mind playing with me, but jsut listened to the song online (as someone mentioned it was gone) and it's like I hear different vocals now. Not much difference, but I'm missing the more obvious points where I thought, is that Michael....

But then again, it could be just me.
 
L.T.D said:
Why do people keep posting there background in music as if that gives them more credability over everyone else?

We've had rappers, DJ's, people who have spent 7 years in music school, producers, dinner ladies, postmen and farmers.

Its more about how certain words are pronounced than the pitch and tone of the vocals. The way certain words are pronounced just scream out that it isnt Michael.
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Are you a native English speaker?


Well, people that are not native to English usually have to learn English and some of them are able to learn (or should try at least) the different pronunciation.

You can completely change your general pronunciation of words if you learn that. Some people have speaking abilities that you would be scared of. Michael is very talented as a singer. His voice can adopt many different styles. So you can't apply your "it's the way it's pronounced" theory because it's scientifically proved that people can change the pronunciation of words completely.

Go to a university and ask a linguist on this matter.
 
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