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[Showman74]

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As for the song.You guys say it's fake.Can you prove it's fake?What happened to the `I don't need to prove that I'm innocent,they need to prove that I'm guilty?`.How can you be so sure that the vocals are not of MJ?
Remember this,how would have 2000 watts impacted the fans if it was released AFTER his death.Would you really think it was Michael?

Here's the thing... I agree that we can't prove completely our point, but at the end of the day there's no one else out there to prove us wrong in regards to the fact that this is not Michael on Breaking News! A lot of people use the 2000 Watts example, and I will be fully honest here, if it were to have been released now, yes I would have my doubts... BUT... after "Breaking News" came out, I went and did an examination of 2000 Watts and after a few listens I had my proof of MJ's identity in comparison to BN... it's not a question of voice, cause technically they're saying the voice is enhanced on BN, but it's the language, the accent, the breathing and the lingustics of Michael's language that does not exist on BN, but does exist in 2000 Watts!! To make my point a little more clear, Michael's pronounciation has a different tonality than others, which makes him unique, and I've only heard that accent and use of language on other members of his familly, especially Janet for example... which is why so many people believed in that male voice version of Janet's "Can't Be Good" on youtube... And to make my point even more clear the only thing I could think about when I first heard BN was the song "Let Me Let Go" which guess what, surprise was never MJ!! So what I'm trying to say is that for my point of view, leaving the voice alone (will just say it's massively enhanced) the lingustics, accent, language and pronounciation of each word on BN is not Michael's... there's few segments where you hear Michael on the background covered by the immitator... but it's very little!

 

[jemini515]

Hey guys -- not to interrupt today's flow of conversation, but I just wanted to say I am sorry for my previous post that insinuated that members here with lower post counts may have ulterior motives for posting now. I didn't mean to insult anyone; I realize that not everyone has the chance or desire to come here often. Maybe the whole air of conspiracy right now is making me paranoid. Please accept my apology and I won't say anything like it again. ~J

 

[Hess]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

Claiming things like "everybody knew it was MJ on '2000 Watts' or 'Shout' when listening to it the first time" are FALSE.

WRONG. Back then we had absolutely no reason to doubt it was MJ, so we heard MJ no problem (or some did maybe, agreed it sounded a little different, but you could hear MJ there and why should we think it wasn't MJ?) BUT this time around rumours and family and people in the Jackson camp claimed before the release it was NOT MJ singing. So this time we were all keen to hear if it really was MJ or not.

After ALL the rumours and the familys statements if 2000 Watts had been released this monday and not BN I think we would have thougt maybe it wasn't MJ because of what we had heard.

If there had been NOONE in the MJ camp claiming this wasn't MJ, maybe We would all agree this is MJ.

The rumours leading up to the release of BN could trick us all. Because we had reason to doubt it was MJ on BN.

 

[eStyle]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

Okey guys I just wanna post my own opinion about the `Breaking News` things after waiting some days after the release of the song.
I've been listening to this song since it was released and I really think it's a great track.It has a great rhythm and it's really MJ's style.
As for the song.You guys say it's fake.Can you prove it's fake?What happened to the `I don't need to prove that I'm innocent,they need to prove that I'm guilty?`.How can you be so sure that the vocals are not of MJ?
Remember this,how would have 2000 watts impacted the fans if it was released AFTER his death.Would you really think it was Michael?
Beside this,why would Sony do such a thing?Don't they have Michael's whole catalog?Don't they have 50+ unreleased songs?Why would they risk so much for only a fake song?Don't you think that's irrational?
Maybe he was trying some new vocal styles,maybe he was trying some effects or the acapella of the song was in horrible condition.
Just think about it,why would Sony buy the Cascio tracks if they weren't genuine?
And moreover,why do you accuse only Sony when the estate has a part of it's fault on selecting the tracks?

Nice post, man!

 

[SunsetDriver]

Has BN only been played 246 times on radio Worldwide for an audience of 2.2 million people? That's not very much.

Not worldwide, just U.S. radio stations.

 

[StephluvsMJ]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

And you're one of those to blame for. Who is the person who said to have a source directly from Sony that have confirmed, without proof, the vocals as fakes? Me? Frank Sinatra? Christ?

Of course, MJ is not singing alone. Probably the others vocalists would receive due credit in the CD.

Now the album is ruined. I hope everyone is happy.

But sorry. The fault is not yours. The fans preferred to believe in a family without credibility and empty words with no proof.

I do not know if the songs are true. But what fans are doing is insane.

I don't understand why people say this. I NEVER believed the family. Never ever did I believe the family. Actually I thought they were upset because their tracks didn't make the album and they were trying to start trouble. That's what I believed. And LONG before Smooth made the comment of 50% of the track not being Michael, I was already suspicious of the vocals. It was ME and ME alone, who listened to that track at 12am EST, Monday 8 November 2010, and before the first verse ended I said "it's not Michael". No one convinced me, no one influenced me. It was MY ears that told me. I expected to come back here and be the odd one out. I expected to see everyone loving the song. But no, came back here, and noticed many fans thought the same thing I did. We can't be all wrong. Yes, there's a possibility it's Michael on the track, but I would think that if that was the case, we wouldn't be sitting here doubting it. We would know the minute we heard it if the song was real or not.

Right now, I'm trying to convince myself it's him. Because I want to be wrong and I want it to be him. I'm trying to find other songs where he sounds similar, but can't find them. And yes, I've gone through shout, 2000 watts and Privacy, and although his voice is different, he still sounds like himself. In BN he doesn't sound like himself, even though I've gone back and forth and tried telling myself it IS him, I just don't feel it. I swear it sounds like someone trying to sound like him. They are trying and they can't do it because their vibrato is weak and their tone is off and when they start singing louder and with power their real voice comes through. In the acapella you can hear it clearly. Plus, they over do it with the "evrybody wa-en the news of Michael Jackson-nah!"

But who knows? maybe you are right and it could all be in our heads. But why do so many believe the vocals were fake? That's what gets me. I can understand if it was just me and all the fans believed it was real and I was in the minority... then I'd think it's because I'm paranoid and I must've been subconsciously influenced by the Jackson statements, but there's a reason why so many went in believing the track would be 100% real and came out with the same conclusion that I did... we can't all be wrong. There is something fishy about this song. If I have to convince myself it's Michael, there is something fishy. We shouldn't have to convince our selves. If it was Michael, it would have been obvious.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

I was amongst the first to report about the Jason Malachi crap some years ago.


"Breaking News" sounds NOTHING like Jason's music.

Comparing "Breaking News" with any Jason Malachi tune just shows me that you guys seem to have forgotten that there's lot of modern studio technology that Michael has been used. Not only on "Breaking News". Similiar filters were applied to "Shout" and "2000 Watts".

However these tunes didn't get much attention from the general public and from the fans as at the time when they were released there were 15 other new songs by Michael, the internet didn't have that impact on people's opinions as of today.

There have been lots of threads about "2000 Watts" and "Shout" in recent years though. On all the MJ forums.


Claiming things like "everybody knew it was MJ on '2000 Watts' or 'Shout' when listening to it the first time" are FALSE.


The situation with "Breaking News" is that it's the FIRST song we hear after a long wait. And the majority of the fans did NOT expect sth like that at all.



Well, now we have all these ridiculous conspiracy theories against. The same way they started when MJ died so untimely, the same way when "This Is It" (the movie) was released and fans were analyzing and criticizing the sound editing ("it's not live" etc.)...

You seem to forget that Michael Jackson was alive when shout and 2000 watts were released and i'm afraid this totally changes everything. Have you heard the chorus of Let me let go by Jason Malachi, totally this cheesy pop backstreet boys style song, no chorus in any of Michael's songs EVER were in this style the only one that comes slightly close is Heartbreaker. You call it experimenting, a genius innovater wouldn't do out of date things. This 2000 watts shout thing's are just rediculous, Michael Jackson authorised these releases as they were his own voice, he is no longer with us, so there is no one to stop somebody else singing these songs and them getting on the record. Vocal processing cannot change phrasing and vibrato to this level and teddy riley said he recieved the vocals in this processed state. So your telling me that Michael had got to such an advanced stage in this track that he was on finely editing the vocals before even the main composition was down. None of it adds up, it's just not how anyone does anything.

 

[That Other Fan]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

Because that was just my source's opinion... that's what he has heard. But the only people who know the truth are the Cascio's. That's why I said it's likely that there is another person singing in Breaking News (based on my own ears). There are many people at Sony who believe it's MJ 100% with some supporting vocals from that guy mentioned in the article this morning. Maybe that's the case? I'm just not going to get all worked up until I hear more info.

You are contradicting yourself. You did not say "your source" felt that over 50% of the track wasn't Mike. You said it came DIRECTLY from Sony that over 50% of track isn't Mike...and that others were brought in to re-record existing vocals which was mixed down to hide that fact.

Now it's just your sources "opinion" :blink:

Something is not adding up in your story.

 

[diana79]

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I havent heard those. Where can i listen

Edit... Ok i just heard Monster... How the hell can you tell anything wit that woman talking over the entire song?

Edit#2 : All i need is def malachi its on his myspace page.

Where is it on his myspace page? Does it have a different name or something?

 

[love is magical]

For me, I don't need any proof, positive or negative, on the authenticity of Breaking News. Even if the song contains 100% of Michael's voice, it's still a mess because Michael's voice is processed to a non-recognizable level. It's still wrong to take a unreleasable demo and stretch it to such despicable level. We are talking about Michael Jackson here. The ultimate vocalist with a distinctive voice and tremendouse singing technique. I listen to Michael everyday. I listen not only to his classics, but also every single songs in his albums, from I Want You Back to This Is It. Michael didn't have a bad song. Even when he used his "angry and aggressive" voice in songs like TDCAU, Privacy, Tabloid Junkie, his vocals are not choppy like the one in Breaking News.

Don't you see the whole production of the song is a mess? That's what bothered me the most. It's more than "it doesn't sound like Michael."

 

[GinnyJackson]

i saw it on there just look around if it aint there then he took it down. Its not my damn fault.

 

[MoeJack]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

I don't understand why people say this. I NEVER believed the family. Never ever did I believe the family. Actually I thought they were upset because their tracks didn't make the album and they were trying to start trouble. That's what I believed. And LONG before Smooth made the comment of 50% of the track not being Michael, I was already suspicious of the vocals. It was ME and ME alone, who listened to that track at 12am EST, Monday 8 November 2010, and before the first verse ended I said "it's not Michael". No one convinced me, no one influenced me. It was MY ears that told me. I expected to come back here and be the odd one out. I expected to see everyone loving the song. But no, came back here, and noticed many fans thought the same thing I did. We can't be all wrong. Yes, there's a possibility it's Michael on the track, but I would think that if that was the case, we wouldn't be sitting here doubting it. We would know the minute we heard it if the song was real or not.

Right now, I'm trying to convince myself it's him. Because I want to be wrong and I want it to be him. I'm trying to find other songs where he sounds similar, but can't find them. And yes, I've gone through shout, 2000 watts and Privacy, and although his voice is different, he still sounds like himself. In BN he doesn't sound like himself, even though I've gone back and forth and tried telling myself it IS him, I just don't feel it. I swear it sounds like someone trying to sound like him. They are trying and they can't do it because their vibrato is weak and their tone is off and when they start singing louder and with power their real voice comes through. In the acapella you can hear it clearly. Plus, they over do it with the "evrybody wa-en the news of Michael Jackson-nah!"

But who knows? maybe you are right and it could all be in our heads. But why do so many believe the vocals were fake? That's what gets me. I can understand if it was just me and all the fans believed it was real and I was in the minority... then I'd think it's because I'm paranoid and I must've been subconsciously influenced by the Jackson statements, but there's a reason why so many went in believing the track would be 100% real and came out with the same conclusion that I did... we can't all be wrong. There is something fishy about this song. If I have to convince myself it's Michael, there is something fishy. We shouldn't have to convince our selves. If it was Michael, it would have been obvious.

That's exactly how I feel...

 

[Derek1984]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

You are contradicting yourself. You did not say "your source" felt that over 50% of the track wasn't Mike. You said it came DIRECTLY from Sony that over 50% of track isn't Mike...and that others were brought in to re-record existing vocals which was mixed down to hide that fact.

Now it's just your sources "opinion" :blink:

Something is not adding up in your story.

Yeah, while on the subject of frauds...

 

[Derek1984]

Breaking News reminds me of something a boy band would sing. It's got that vibe. LOL.

 

[The One.]

WRONG. Back then we had absolutely no reason to doubt it was MJ, so we heard MJ no problem (or some did maybe, agreed it sounded a little different, but you could hear MJ there and why should we think it wasn't MJ?) BUT this time around rumours and family and people in the Jackson camp claimed before the release it was NOT MJ singing. So this time we were all keen to hear if it really was MJ or not.

After ALL the rumours and the familys statements if 2000 Watts had been released this monday and not BN I think we would have thougt maybe it wasn't MJ because of what we had heard.

If there had been NOONE in the MJ camp claiming this wasn't MJ, maybe We would all agree this is MJ.

The rumours leading up to the release of BN could trick us all. Because we had reason to doubt it was MJ on BN.

Good points, good points. We will never know what would've happened if no one doubted BN before it came out, unfortunately. But I think the family's doubts had a huge impact on this whole mess.

For me, I don't need any proof, positive or negative, on the authenticity of Breaking News. Even if the song contains 100% of Michael's voice, it's still a mess because Michael's voice is processed to a non-recognizable level. It's still wrong to take a unreleasable demo and stretch it to such despicable level. We are talking about Michael Jackson here. The ultimate vocalist with a distinctive voice and tremendouse singing technique. I listen to Michael everyday. I listen not only to his classics, but also every single songs in his albums, from I Want You Back to This Is It. Michael didn't have a bad song. Even when he used his "angry and aggressive" voice in songs like TDCAU, Privacy, Tabloid Junkie, his vocals are not choppy like the one in Breaking News.

Don't you see the whole production of the song is a mess? That's what bothered me the most. It's more than "it doesn't sound like Michael."

True, and I think I agree with you, but like eStyle said, since Michael is not here anymore to work on the songs, we can't expect these new releases to be on the same level as his previous work. It's just the sad reality for us now

 

[eXceLOfFam1]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

May I add myself on this one.
I'm gonna make it very extensive and detailed so that you all can understand this perfectly:



Even though I haven't studied anywhere particularly, I think I can help here. I'm an artist myself (a musician), I don't do POP music like Michael did. I'm a Dancehall Reggae (with some RnB too) artist. I spend most of my time at recording studios, either recording my songs or mixing/mastering my tracks with producers and engineers.

I've read a lot of misleading information on the boards (not only here, actually I've been on a lot of MJ dedicated forums lately, but particularly on MJHideout). A lot of people seem to think Auto-Tune is a "person-exchanger" (does that even exist?) effect. There are two ways of using Auto-Tune, and neither can make you sound like a whole different person. The way you can use Auto-tune for (the plugin was actually concived to be use this way) is to correct vocals singing out of tune (hence, out-of-tune auto-tune), minor flaws and defects of vocal takes which would have been amazing otherwise (I mean, if there hadn't been any performance issues at the moment of recording). You may be wondering: How can a vocal recording be amazing if there are certain parts out of key? Well, the energy might be perfect, the dictation and pronnunciation might be spot on, even the intention the artist put when he/she sung it can be great. And sometimes you can't reproduce that SAME EXACT take twice, so there's nothing left to do but to use techonlogy to get it right, and honestly I don't think there's anything wrong with it. BELIEVE ME, most of your favourite artists (of ANY genre) and most of your favourite songs (of ANY genre) wouldnt exist if it wasnt for technology and auto-tune used the right way.

The other way of using Auto-Tune is actually... abusing of it. When you take the Plugin's setting to an extreme, giving a certain Scale, it'll robotize the sound, and make it all jumpy, like you can appreciate in most RnB/Hip-Hop songs lately. The so called T-Pain effect.

As "Daniel.San" said on his post, there's NO plugin, no editing possible, to change the Vocal Registry, and/or the Pronnunciation of a human being. You CAN make a voice sounds bassier, or alter the pitch to go higher or lower, you can do a lot of things, but what you can't do is make it sound like a different human being.
That's why certain impersonators (Youtube for Marcus Joseph) sing ALMOST, JUST LIKE, Michael Jackson when they perform one of Michael's songs, but they CAN NOT achieve the same amount of perfection and similarity when they have to sing something of their own production or from some other artist besides MJ.

Please, don't automatically assign any strange side effects to technology or to editing technics, or plugins. Up until now, there are still limits as to where a human being can go with technology, and what they can do with it. Up until now, we cannot sound exactly like somebody else. So, if you hear someone that 'sounds like.......' but you still hear differences, even if they're tini tiny differences, then TRUST your ears, they won't lie to you, but Sony will.

just like you i am an artist, Rapper/Singer/Producer and i've also read some absurd logic in these threads concerning BN, have you ever heard of melodyne? it is possible to change a whole arrangement/key/melody with this program, this was not used on BN if you ask me but here is an example of it used on a mj song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJb9SxNUTRo at times it has been passed off as a stranger in moscow demo from the 80's, it is clearly not to anyone with ears, that being said, from my perspective, and id like to imagine that i have a good musical ear lol, BN is in fact michael jackson, at first i was quite skeptical about it, i was sure it wasnt him, after getting to the official acapella i realized that it is in fact him, it is extremely processed however, it is a demo, do not forget that, the vocals have the agression of michael jackson, it might be pitched/tempo edited or something along the lines, it is very choppy as well, cut and pasted to the T, the cut and pasting is covered up extremely well by the instrumentation and music, they actually did a good job of putting this song together, if the vocals were not so processed i think it would sound great, i even pitched the song up and resampled it, it sounds like an mj dangerous outtake, so from a musical perspective id have to agree with all of these so called un-named engineers and ppl that have confirmed it, teddy riley is a better musician than I and he has worked with MJ, so ppl quit the bickering, I also get the MJ feeling from the song, especially the chorus, it has been stuck in my head for the past few days as a matter of fact, to those claiming that it is not michael jackson at all, you need to open up your ears, even if the lead is not MJ, which it is in fact, the adlibs in the background certainly belong to him, it is michael jackson folks, just in a way you've never heard him, or should have had to hear him but this is what it has come to, Breaking News is Michael Jackson

 

[Showman74]

Not to get into anything here... but for the many people who say that those who don't believe in Michael's identity in BN are being influenced by the familly... that's a load of BS! Cause I for one am completely against the familly... except for Michael's 3 angels, I can't stand any of the members of the Jackson familly... actually I remember the night before the release of the song I saw La Toya saying this was fake and I pretty much said some stuff that made the room blush lol... I was one of the first to defend Michael in those rumours... I had no influence or anything, and tbh, I tried to fight this feeling and did everything in my power to think otherwise, but I just can't hear it... BN is Not Michael! Although the song is amazing, and I know Michael did work on this cause it's obvious from the style... but that's not his voice, it's MY FEELING... NO INFLUENCE!

 

[bowen9999]

i saw it on there just look around if it aint there then he took it down. Its not my damn fault.

Sorry for asking!

 

[Indra]

Maybe I shouldn't post this but I'll do it anyway and hope I'm not breaking any rule that might have came up in this discussion earlier that I missed.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6tgpbs

"They should only release songs that everyone KNOWS are my Uncle (at the very least). No one questioned the vocal of "This is It". And no one is questioning the vocals on majority of the upcoming songs on the "Michael" album either. But there are songs slated to appear that are very questionable. If sonically there are deep questions. And there is NO tangible evidence to prove otherwise, than it doesn't belong. PERIOD. My Uncle's legacy isn't a toy to be played with."
- TJ Jackson

 

[Korgnex]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

just like you i am an artist, Rapper/Singer/Producer and i've also read some absurd logic in these threads concerning BN, have you ever heard of melodyne? it is possible to change a whole arrangement/key/melody with this program, this was not used on BN if you ask me but here is an example of it used on a mj song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJb9SxNUTRo at times it has been passed off as a stranger in moscow demo from the 80's, it is clearly not to anyone with ears, that being said, from my perspective, and id like to imagine that i have a good musical ear lol, BN is in fact michael jackson, at first i was quite skeptical about it, i was sure it wasnt him, after getting to the official acapella i realized that it is in fact him, it is extremely processed however, it is a demo, do not forget that, the vocals have the agression of michael jackson, it might be pitched/tempo edited or something along the lines, it is very choppy as well, cut and pasted to the T, the cut and pasting is covered up extremely well by the instrumentation and music, they actually did a good job of putting this song together, if the vocals were not so processed i think it would sound great, i even pitched the song up and resampled it, it sounds like an mj dangerous outtake, so from a musical perspective id have to agree with all of these so called un-named engineers and ppl that have confirmed it, teddy riley is a better musician than I and he has worked with MJ, so ppl quit the bickering, I also get the MJ feeling from the song, especially the chorus, it has been stuck in my head for the past few days as a matter of fact, to those claiming that it is not michael jackson at all, you need to open up your ears, even if the lead is not MJ, which it is in fact, the adlibs in the background certainly belong to him, it is michael jackson folks, just in a way you've never heard him, or should have had to hear him but this is what it has come to, Breaking News is Michael Jackson

that's what I call a professional speaking about what's possible in the studio

good posting, but you know, people will need time...

 

[LovingMJ]

I don't think the family had an impact on what we think about BN.
I can say that when I heard that the family was saying that some songs on the album weren't sung by Michael (and that was before we heard BN) I immediately thought it was another stupid thing said by the family to boycott or whatever another MJ project (like when they claimed it wasn't MJ in This is it, but a body double and I didn't believe them then either...and of course they were wrong). So I totally disregarded what they said.
The moment I heard BN, the moment i heard that voice I knew immediately it wasn't Michael. No doubt about it.

Michael has a unique voice that I've heard over and over and over and over and over again during all my life...i know his voice, and that ain't it.

What the family says doesn't mean crap to me.

 

[L.T.D]

Maybe I shouldn't post this but I'll do it anyway and hope I'm not breaking any rule that might have came up in this discussion earlier that I missed.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6tgpbs

"They should only release songs that everyone KNOWS are my Uncle (at the very least). No one questioned the vocal of "This is It". And no one is questioning the vocals on majority of the upcoming songs on the "Michael" album either. But there are songs slated to appear that are very questionable. If sonically there are deep questions. And there is NO tangible evidence to prove otherwise, than it doesn't belong. PERIOD. My Uncle's legacy isn't a toy to be played with."
- TJ Jackson

Strongly agree with TJ! He is so right, they should just leave those songs out at least for the fact there is so much doubt surrounding them.

 

[Derek1984]

Maybe I shouldn't post this but I'll do it anyway and hope I'm not breaking any rule that might have came up in this discussion earlier that I missed.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/6tgpbs

"They should only release songs that everyone KNOWS are my Uncle (at the very least). No one questioned the vocal of "This is It". And no one is questioning the vocals on majority of the upcoming songs on the "Michael" album either. But there are songs slated to appear that are very questionable. If sonically there are deep questions. And there is NO tangible evidence to prove otherwise, than it doesn't belong. PERIOD. My Uncle's legacy isn't a toy to be played with."
- TJ Jackson

Just take the damn Cascio tracks off the record. Is it really that hard to do? I am starting to get tired of this.

 

[OnirMJ]

Come on guys.. Why are you changing your minds?? We don't need proof from anyone. We have our ears and this is not Michael. Breaking News is so fake!

 

[amei0688]

wow, smooth_criminal05. you should have said that is was just an opinion of one person. you made it sound like it was the inside info at Sony and your post became one of the first ones to start the conspiracy theory...

totally agree on that one

 

[Calotte12]

NOBODY knows if its MJ or NOT exept the Cascio. PERIOD.

So can we stop saying crap and speculate ?

 

[kasume]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

MJ's family are the kings of claiming "conspiracies" and "cover ups", etc. They have done this in every situation for as long as I can remember.

The problem here is this: When we heard the song, a seed had already been planted in our heads that said "It could be fake", so our guard was up. We went into this with a tainted perception that songs were fake. Now some have taken it to the extreme claiming every song that isn't signature MJ is fake. It's not fair to do that.

I am sitting on the fence, and have seen valid opinions and facts shared from both sides of the argument. I refuse to jump on a train before I know more information. People are acting out of emotion and not logic and refusing to see the big picture. I can't understand why some fans on this board have this massive conspiracy elaborated in their mind from information that may not be correct. Of course the vocals on BN are not signature MJ, but does that mean they aren't him? Time will tell of course. In my opinion, if let's say "Shout" was the lead single and we were in the same situation...many people would claim it to be a fake because it's not signature MJ music. The seed had been planted before.

People have to take into account that MJ was sampling all the time, doing new genres of music with different voices. He loved altering his voice to seem different. He's said it himself many times. That's why I'm not discounting anything right now. I know his vocals ARE on the Cascio tracks, but it also appears that there is someone else singing in them as well. Hopefully when the estate release a statement they will clear this up.

I'm trying not to let this ruin my excitement. If there's 12 songs and only 3 Cascio... that's not bad. We know MJ did work with Cascio, so it only makes sense that these songs will contain some of his vocals. We have to look at it logically. I'm holding off on any attacks and emotional fits until I see the bigger picture in respect to what is going on.

That's all

A seed wasn't planted in my head. In fact, I paid no attention to those articles at all. And honestly, didn't give a damn about them as their are always things to say about Michael.

But when I heard BN and couldn't FEEL MICHAEL in that song, that's a big problem.

It's wierd how sony/estate have yet to release an official statement on all this to the public.

BOTTOM LINE IS

When I hear a Michael Jackson song, I EXPECT to feel Michael in that song.

Probably my most favourite quote out of all of this is what Charles Kaplow said, one of Michael's TII dancers.

"...you can tell in 2000 watts that it's him altered whereas, in Breaking News, it's a very, very different soul."

 

[GinnyJackson]

Come on guys.. Why are you changing your minds?? We don't need proof from anyone. We have our ears and this is not Michael. Breaking News is so fake!

Yes we have our own ears but even they can be wrong. for proof of that look at the "Misheard lyric" thread.

 

[aprilshack]

NOBODY knows if its MJ or NOT exept the Cascio. PERIOD.

So can we stop saying crap and speculate ?

Have the Cascio's made any statements yet?

 

[love is magical]

True, and I think I agree with you, but like eStyle said, since Michael is not here anymore to work on the songs, we can't expect these new releases to be on the same level as his previous work. It's just the sad reality for us now

I understand Michael is not here to give his final magical touch, that's why I never expect to hear something like Earth Song or Stranger in Moscow. But still, never in my dream, I'd imagine a mess like Breaking News neither. Breaking News simply is not good enough to be labeled as a Michael Jackson song.

This Is It, the song, was also a posthumous release. The song is a good song becasue the demo is good enough to be selected and furthered worked on. The demo of Breaking News is not and they should not even try.

How is it possible that there is not decent (almost releasable) tracks in the vault?