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[HIStoric]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I'm currently writing a long 3-part article on why the Estate really isn't as bad as people think, and I'm looking to publish it at the end of the week. All I'm going to say about this is that the Estate released the VHS rip because we were begging them for that specific show, and it's all they had available at the time.

Interesting! I look forward to reading it

 

[Hess]

1000000000000000000000 times much better than ruining MJ's tracks in this way!!!!!!!
Stop mixing (ruining) MJ's Music $ony / €state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please cancel all upcomming album, if you can't release ORIGINAL MIX / UNOUTOUCHED DEMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I DON'T WANNA NEW REMIX of ANY RELEASED / UNRELEASED SONGS of MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!
Enough is ENOUGH!!!!!

Well, welcome to MJJC...

I think it's silly & idiot that people are supporting $ony / €state releasing album like 2010 Michael & BAD25 VHS.
it's there job. if $ony / €state dont want money, they wouldn't release Cascio tracks and still try to cheat fans as many as possible without saying a word 'Sorry' with release a Michael Jackson album with full original hits!!!

I think it is silly and idiot to write SONY with a $ and Estate with € - but thats just my opinion. They are buisness, so their primary goal is of course to make money. - But they know that the better the product the more money they will earn, so I am positive they will not want another "Michael" fiasco! - So I think we can be sure they try harder this time and they have already promised the fans there will never be released more Cascio tracks, so calm down!!!

To be fair, the Estate released Hold My Hand as the debut single because that's what Michael wanted. But I agree, I want some kind of up tempo song that will reach the top of the charts. I'm aware that that isn't the main priority, but it would be nice to see Michael Jackson hit number one, just one more time.

True. I think it was a nice move to respect MJ's wishes. - Personally I would much rather have an uptempo song released as a first single. A real club banger and a massive radio hit. Hope the new album gives us a smash hit first single!

I'm currently writing a long 3-part article on why the Estate really isn't as bad as people think, and I'm looking to publish it at the end of the week. All I'm going to say about this is that the Estate released the VHS rip because we were begging them for that specific show, and it's all they had available at the time.

Sounds great. - I am looking forward to reading it!

 

[innuendo141]

I think it's silly & idiot that people are supporting $ony / €state releasing album like 2010 Michael & BAD25 VHS.
it's there job. if $ony / €state dont want money, they wouldn't release Cascio tracks and still try to cheat fans as many as possible without saying a word 'Sorry' with release a Michael Jackson album with full original hits!!!

Then don't come into a discussion thread about a new album to talk to any "stupid" people or any "idiot".

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Uhm, they won't be releasing anymore Cascio songs in the future, and outside of the Michael album, the estate no longer mentions those records. It's bitter folks who just can't stand the Estate who continue to bring those songs up in regards to a new album. Bad25 was never released on VHS, by the way.

Nobody supported the Michael album the way you're claiming. Many people don't even feel like it was the success that it should've been. But we've moved on, we're willing to give the Estate a chance to prove that they've learned from their first mistakes. BAD25 was a symbol of that, that was a GREAT release, regardless of how one may feel about it. They gave us everything we asked for, they gave us remastered versions of the original album songs, they gave us the songs that didn't make the final cut, they gave us a live performance album along with that. AND for the first time ever, released the Wembley shows to us, could the quality have been better? Sure it could've, but they did so much with that one release. Which I think proves, that low and behold, they do care about us, and what we want, and have nothing but Michael's and his fans best interest at heart.

Thank You for this post. I don't know about the consensus regarding Bad25, but for me i had the time of my life with this project and it took me back to the old days. Listening to the original [remastered] CD and hearing original demos from that era, seeing all the pictures from the studio sessions in the booklet and a poster, getting a new live CD that i can play in my car to/from my way to work, and for the first time seeing a complete concert from the second leg of the Bad Tour. On top of that getting a brand new documentary solely about the music and how he created the masterpiece that is Bad. We are so busy scrutinizing and penalizing the estate that we sometimes forget to say thank you. I firmly believe in giving thanks where thanks is due and i just wanted to say to the Estate, thank you for the Bad25 movement.

First thing that i did when it arrived. I felt like a little child

Sorry if this derrailed the thread, i just had to get that off my chest, proceed

 

[TDK-777]

Well, welcome to MJJC...

They killed him, they still want money by f*cking his music with shit remix, stop remixing!!! MJ said he didn't like people remix his work.
They can just release original mix / demo, but they want to f*ck Michael Jackson as usual both $ony and €state and you support!!!!!

 

[TDK-777]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

What sounds "cool" and "current" now will sound dated in 5 years. So careful with this whole making it sound like it's current thing as if current=good (it isn't). On the long term a song that sounds like how MJ intended it actually might have more value whether it has hit potential currently or not.

I know this is all about making instant $ for Sony/Estate and that they want to score a hit and that some fans are desperate for a hit too at any price (even if it means it's not even MJ's music any more), but I'm not. I'm not saying it wouldn't be great to score hits, but I also know the realities of posthumus releases. I don't think it's realistic to expect a posthumus album by an artist who is not here any more to compete with the current most popular artists and their hits. Those artists are here to promote and MJ is not.

If Timbaland works on it it seems obvious that they want to update the sound to "current" somehow. I'm not against it but I have ambivalent feelings about it. Let's wait and see is my stance about it. I just hope it will be faithful to MJ and it won't be just Timbaland's music with MJ singing on it but it will have MJ's initial vision and style incorporated in it.

I can tell you now, most of remix are sh*t, 1-2 are just exceptions, that's why we shouldn't support them, and try to ask them to release original mix.
but you know $ony SUCKS!!!

 

[Korgnex]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I remember "Hold My Hand" worked surprisingly well in Europe, especially Germany (#1 radio airplay, #7 TOP 100 singles charts). But THEN there was NOTHING, you could buy "Hollywood Tonight" (mainly from online retailers) but the general public wasn't even aware of another follow-up single, there was no radio promotion, NOTHING. It's like there was no second single. "Hold My Hand" wasn't a failure even though it was only an "Akon feat. MJ" track. It was a failure to drop promotion after ca. 3 weeks. You could see that with the chart positions (Germany: 1st week - #1, 2nd week #2, 3rd week #3, 4th week #12 ...). No one was talking about the new CD - except for fans. That's what happened over here, the album performed very strong in Germany in the first three weeks (the other competitors were all strong, it was very impressing it managed to even make it to #1 for one week) when it was promoted. Then the big silence started, no talk of a second single - except by fans. For "Immortal" and "BAD 25" it was the same. The former wasn't a major release but an accompanying Cirque project and the latter was aimed at fans and collectors and thus did not arouse much attention from mainstream listeners.

 

[HIStoric]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I can tell you now, most of remix are sh*t, 1-2 are just exceptions, that's why we shouldn't support them, and try to ask them to release original mix.
but you know $ony SUCKS!!!

Well no you can't tell us, you haven't heard them yet.

There has been talk that this album has the concept of "Past" and "Present" or whatever, so we'll get both modern mixes of Michael's unreleased songs as well as the tracks as they were when Michael last touched on/heard them. While this has yet to be confirmed, if it is true, I personally look forward to hearing both versions of his songs.

 

[TDK-777]

I remember "Hold My Hand" worked surprisingly well in Europe, especially Germany (#1 radio airplay, #7 TOP 100 singles charts). But THEN there was NOTHING, you could buy "Hollywood Tonight" (mainly from online retailers) but the general public wasn't even aware of another follow-up single, there was no radio promotion, NOTHING. It's like there was no second single. "Hold My Hand" wasn't a failure even though it was only an "Akon feat. MJ" track. It was a failure to drop promotion after ca. 3 weeks. You could see that with the chart positions (Germany: 1st week - #1, 2nd week #2, 3rd week #3, 4th week #12 ...). No one was talking about the new CD - except for fans. That's what happened over here, the album performed very strong in Germany in the first three weeks (the other competitors were all strong, it was very impressing it managed to even make it to #1 for one week) when it was promoted. Then the big silence started, no talk of a second single - except by fans. For "Immortal" and "BAD 25" it was the same. The former wasn't a major release but an accompanying Cirque project and the latter was aimed at fans and collectors and thus did not arouse much attention from mainstream listeners.

I recall that too, 'Hold My Hand' is the 1st signle which $ony well promoted, but it's just an AD. Then they found the album doesn't sell, then no more promo. but there's still 'Hollywood Tonight' maxi CD and 'Hollywood Tonight / Behind The Mask' Vinyl can be bought at some stores like Fnac and Virgin MegaStores.
Not only the Cascios Tracks ruined the album, but also the NEW REMIX of the rest tracks sucked the whole album, we still haven't heard all original Michael album mix / demo yet.
'Another Day' original mix is such a gem, but the released Michael album mix is such a sh*t, they completley ruined the track!!!
They still hold 'Another Day' original Demo/mix and 'Behind the Mask' original mix to cover that sh*t album, to cheat fans to buy the album. Maybe 10 years later, we can hear them. maybe never that day!!! $ony SUCKS!!!
And now they prepare to do it again by remix the new songs with sh*t again!
"BAD 25" has no promo at all, and BAD25 limited box with such a Black color box, it's 99.9% invisible at the CD store, no one can notice that. That's not enough, that live VHS sucks BAD25 again. And even today $ony still want to sell BAD25 by spreading ADs around fans social FB/Twitter.
Fans want some original mix / demo on an album without sh*t remix, well, they refused!
What a $ony/€state!!

 

[innuendo141]

I recall that too, 'Hold My Hand' is the 1st signle which $ony well promoted, but it's just an AD. Then they found the album doesn't sell, then no more promo. but there's still 'Hollywood Tonight' maxi CD and 'Hollywood Tonight / Behind The Mask' Vinyl can be bought at some stores like Fnac and Virgin MegaStores.
Not only the Cascios Tracks ruined the album, but also the NEW REMIX of the rest tracks sucked the whole album, we still haven't heard all original Michael album mix / demo yet.
'Another Day' original mix is such a gem, but the released Michael album mix is such a sh*t, they completley ruined the track!!!
They still hold 'Another Day' original Demo/mix and 'Behind the Mask' original mix to cover that sh*t album, to cheat fans to buy the album. Maybe 10 years later, we can hear them. maybe never that day!!! $ony SUCKS!!!
And now they prepare to do it again by remix the new songs with sh*t again!
"BAD 25" has no promo at all, and BAD25 limited box with such a Black color box, it's 99.9% invisible at the CD store, no one can notice that. That's not enough, that live VHS sucks BAD25 again. And even today $ony still want to sell BAD25 by spreading ADs around fans social FB/Twitter.
Fans want some original mix / demo on an album without sh*t remix, well, they refused!
What a $ony/€state!!

I'm getting quite bored of reading what you're saying "the fans" want.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Xscape2041]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

'Another Day' original mix is such a gem, but the released Michael album mix is such a sh*t, they completley ruined the track!!!

I agree with this one. Hopefully they will release all the demos from this album sometime in the future.

But we have to remember, the estate/Sony doesn't owe us anything! There is nothing wrong with pointing out "mistakes" imo, but there is also no point focusing on negativity all the time. I does nothing good for you and nothing good for the world (say it with L.O.V.E. )
I get the impression the estate learned from their mistakes and are genuinely trying to deliver something that can be successful and at the same time respecting the original vision (latest rumor says we get both versions, old and updated, and at least with the original versions original people like Bruce Swedien, Michael Prince, Brad Buxer are involved!).
About updating the tracks: Michael himself also gave unfinished tracks to different producers to see what they can do with it (compare for example the dangerous demo and album version). Unfortunately, Michael is not here to add "the magic touch", that's the sad truth. Nonetheless, I'm sure there are unreleased tracks Michael was somewhat proud of and he wouldn't want them to go to waste. He probably would have released some of the old songs in the future, only with updated production. It's no secret Michael always reworked many old "leftover" tracks for a new album.
For example, I would also very much like to hear songs like "Cheater" (Invincible era reworked version MJ did himself + a 2014 update).

One thing to "worry" about is that some producers are not willing (or at least were not) to release Michaels last tracks ever recorded and the estate therefore has to go with older songs which need even more work (remix). We will see...

 

[TDK-777]

I'm getting quite bored of reading what you're saying "the fans" want.

Speak for yourself.

I know, here it's for $ony / €state fans community, I will leave very soon and leave here with 'Peace' like before.

 

[TDK-777]

I agree with this one. Hopefully they will release all the demos from this album sometime in the future.

But we have to remember, the estate/Sony doesn't owe us anything! There is nothing wrong with pointing out "mistakes" imo, but there is also no point focusing on negativity all the time. I does nothing good for you and nothing good for the world (say it with L.O.V.E. )
I get the impression the estate learned from their mistakes and are genuinely trying to deliver something that can be successful and at the same time respecting the original vision (latest rumor says we get both versions, old and updated, and at least with the original versions original people like Bruce Swedien, Michael Prince, Brad Buxer are involved!).
About updating the tracks: Michael himself also gave unfinished tracks to different producers to see what they can do with it (compare for example the dangerous demo and album version). Unfortunately, Michael is not here to add "the magic touch", that's the sad truth. Nonetheless, I'm sure there are unreleased tracks Michael was somewhat proud of and he wouldn't want them to go to waste. He probably would have released some of the old songs in the future, only with updated production. It's no secret Michael always reworked many old "leftover" tracks for a new album.
For example, I would also very much like to hear songs like "Cheater" (Invincible era reworked version MJ did himself + a 2014 update).

One thing to "worry" about is that some producers are not willing (or at least were not) to release Michaels last tracks ever recorded and the estate therefore has to go with older songs which need even more work (remix). We will see...

They owe all fans the Original Demo / mix of 2010 Michael album, which they ruined and covered the fake Jason Malachi tracks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Another Day (Original Demo Mix)
2. Much Too Soon (1994 Original Final Mix)
3. Behind The Mask (Original Final Mix)
4. Best of Joy (Original Demo Mix)
5. Hollywood Tonight (Original Demo Mix)

And those producers are real MJ's friends, they did and do and will do their best to save MJ's Legacy!!
They are doing right, 'cuz to give the songs to $ony / €state = betray MJ!!
They are heroes like Will.I.Am etc.,
We should thank them very much from the bottom of our heart!!!

 

[Xscape2041]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I would like to have these tracks too, but technically they owe us nothing. They are a business and nothing more.
I don't think the vocals are by JM, if they wanted an impersonator, there are better ones - but let's not go there. More likely they are mumbeled MJ demo vocals merged with additional vocals by MJ+JP, with lots of filters,pitch shifting, time stretching, melodyne etc.

It's not like we have a say if will.i.am will release "his" tracks, we just have to respect the decision. But I'm sure if he were to work on these tracks together with MJ now in 2014, the original production would most likely be almost completely dismissed. Because back then William was more into "mellow" tracks, right now his style is more "electronic club banger music".
As the years go by, I'm now more interested in the RedOne, Neff-u, Michael Prince/Brad Buxer, Darkchild tracks anyway.

 

[Dilan]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I really hate will.i.am's current prdocution work it's just so bad I can't stand it. One thing I hope is that the day the 2007 ireland tracks come out is that they are not touched or at least not by will. I couldn't bear to MJ's vocals over something that sounds like 'Bang Bang' or 'Scream & Shout'

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I remember "Hold My Hand" worked surprisingly well in Europe, especially Germany (#1 radio airplay, #7 TOP 100 singles charts). But THEN there was NOTHING, you could buy "Hollywood Tonight" (mainly from online retailers) but the general public wasn't even aware of another follow-up single, there was no radio promotion, NOTHING. It's like there was no second single. "Hold My Hand" wasn't a failure even though it was only an "Akon feat. MJ" track. It was a failure to drop promotion after ca. 3 weeks. You could see that with the chart positions (Germany: 1st week - #1, 2nd week #2, 3rd week #3, 4th week #12 ...). No one was talking about the new CD - except for fans. That's what happened over here, the album performed very strong in Germany in the first three weeks (the other competitors were all strong, it was very impressing it managed to even make it to #1 for one week) when it was promoted. Then the big silence started, no talk of a second single - except by fans. For "Immortal" and "BAD 25" it was the same. The former wasn't a major release but an accompanying Cirque project and the latter was aimed at fans and collectors and thus did not arouse much attention from mainstream listeners.

It was a smart thing to stop promote that album.

 

[TDK-777]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I would like to have these tracks too, but technically they owe us nothing. They are a business and nothing more.
I don't think the vocals are by JM, if they wanted an impersonator, there are better ones - but let's not go there. More likely they are mumbeled MJ demo vocals merged with additional vocals by MJ+JP, with lots of filters,pitch shifting, time stretching, melodyne etc.

It's not like we have a say if will.i.am will release "his" tracks, we just have to respect the decision. But I'm sure if he were to work on these tracks together with MJ now in 2014, the original production would most likely be almost completely dismissed. Because back then William was more into "mellow" tracks, right now his style is more "electronic club banger music".
As the years go by, I'm now more interested in the RedOne, Neff-u, Michael Prince/Brad Buxer, Darkchild tracks anyway.

Lol, couldn't be more wrong...

 

[HIStory]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I really hate will.i.am's current prdocution work it's just so bad I can't stand it. One thing I hope is that the day the 2007 ireland tracks come out is that they are not touched or at least not by will. I couldn't bear to MJ's vocals over something that sounds like 'Bang Bang' or 'Scream & Shout'

I agree. I don't like Will.I.Am's music at all and I can only hope his collaborations with MJ are better than what Will usually puts out. I find his music seriously annoying - at least what is on the charts from him.

 

[Xscape2041]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Lol, couldn't be more wrong...

What do you mean? Could you be more specific?

 

[qbee]

I know, here it's for $ony / €state fans community, I will leave very soon and leave here with 'Peace' like before.

Listen we allow all opinions here if stated respectfully pro or con on any topic. But not entering threads RANTING like a maniac, accusing our community or personally insulting our members as you have done in several posts and threads here. You admit your intentions right here. I can verify you have already had multiple accounts doing this same thing prior, as you stated. So yes bye - and "Peace" be with you like before.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I find many MJ fans criticise Will.i.am's music, but in all honesty that music sells and that's all that matters from a commercial point of view. I find many people in the MJ fan community are showing their age by dismissing current music trends. Or if they're younger they have their heads stuck in the past. Somebody pointed out that if MJ's music were brought up-to-date to suit current tastes it would sound dated in 5 years because musical trends age. That person completely missed the irony in what they were saying. MJ was all about selling the most music. That's what he craved. He too followed trends, and sometimes he set them. Mj's music sounded modern at the time it was released, and YES it dated. 70s music is not timeless - although perhaps the most 'timeless' MJ album OTW sounds dated. 80s music is not timeless - Thriller and BAD sound dated. 90s music is not timeless - Dangerous and HIStory sound dated. 00s music is not timeless - Vince sounds dated. Very few songs are timeless IMO, and most of those use real instruments and minimal gimicks. Most (IMO) are from BEFORE Mj's peak artistic period.
If I had to choose a musical era that dated the worst, I would choose the 80s because of the immature electronic sounds of the day. They sound awful now. Having a dated sound is not all about the instruments or electronics though, song structure and lyrical composition is also a massive contributor.
The beats of todays songs sound completely different to those released 30 years ago, but it's fairly easy to modernise a songs beats IMO. The lyrics IMO are not such a big deal either, as long as they're not full of dated phrases and sayings popular from the period when they were recorded. The bigger problem is to take a song structure, which after all shape the way the lyrics were recorded (verse 1, chorus, verse 2, chorus, verse 3, bridge, verse 4, ad lib to end etc - I just made that up so don't criticise!). While the producers can update the beats they will have a very hard time framing MJ's vocals adequately so that the song sounds current. It's especially difficult when the singer's vocal style is so unique and so tied to a past era (80s mainly). Any person that tries to modernise MJ for a modern era and to achieve chart success (albums and single) will need to be very cautious.
IMO the songs updated and released as part of 'Michael' failed. Although they were worked on, they still sounded incredibly dated IMO (though some more dated than others). Perhaps that was a big contributor to the singles relative poor performance in the singles charts.

 

[Xscape2041]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I can mostly agree with this.
Todays beats are obviously more gimmicky + "artifical" sounding and it's clear Mjs past albums were not released in 2014. But I still think MJs material sounds more "timeless" than songs from other artists from the same time period imo. Unreleased finished songs could therefore still be perceived as "new" without adding much gimmicks. According to Neff-u that's what Michael wanted - no big production, but simple.

Whatever they do, it will certainly not be easy to change an instrumental completely and make the vocals still fit the song. (as with remixes, the vocals are often "off". One of the few remixes that almost pulled it off merging a new melody and original vocals is YRMW Tag Team Remix imo).

I think an "outside" person like timbaland could be a good choice for achieving a modern feel and give the songs a twist (for the updated versions). Depending on the song I think it wouldn't hurt though to have a more "pop" than hiphop (timbaland) approach, with producers like Ryan Tedder, Max Martin, Dr. Luke for example.

 

[HIStory]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I find many MJ fans criticise Will.i.am's music, but in all honesty that music sells and that's all that matters from a commercial point of view. I find many people in the MJ fan community are showing their age by dismissing current music trends. Or if they're younger they have their heads stuck in the past.
Somebody pointed out that if MJ's music were brought up-to-date to suit current tastes it would sound dated in 5 years because musical trends age. That person completely missed the irony in what they were saying. MJ was all about selling the most music. That's what he craved. He too followed trends, and sometimes he set them. Mj's music sounded modern at the time it was released, and YES it dated. 70s music is not timeless - although perhaps the most 'timeless' MJ album OTW sounds dated. 80s music is not timeless - Thriller and BAD sound dated. 90s music is not timeless - Dangerous and HIStory sound dated. 00s music is not timeless - Vince sounds dated. Very few songs are timeless IMO, and most of those use real instruments and minimal gimicks. Most (IMO) are from BEFORE Mj's peak artistic period.
If I had to choose a musical era that dated the worst, I would choose the 80s because of the immature electronic sounds of the day. They sound awful now. Having a dated sound is not all about the instruments or electronics though, song structure and lyrical composition is also a massive contributor.
The beats of todays songs sound completely different to those released 30 years ago, but it's fairly easy to modernise a songs beats IMO. The lyrics IMO are not such a big deal either, as long as they're not full of dated phrases and sayings popular from the period when they were recorded. The bigger problem is to take a song structure, which after all shape the way the lyrics were recorded (verse 1, chorus, verse 2, chorus, verse 3, bridge, verse 4, ad lib to end etc - I just made that up so don't criticise!). While the producers can update the beats they will have a very hard time framing MJ's vocals adequately so that the song sounds current. It's especially difficult when the singer's vocal style is so unique and so tied to a past era (80s mainly). Any person that tries to modernise MJ for a modern era and to achieve chart success (albums and single) will need to be very cautious.
IMO the songs updated and released as part of 'Michael' failed. Although they were worked on, they still sounded incredibly dated IMO (though some more dated than others). Perhaps that was a big contributor to the singles relative poor performance in the singles charts.

I have the impession that to you everything current and everything that currently sells is great.That seems to be your only criteria for great music and your only concern about a new MJ release: how much it sells. At any price. Even if it means it's not MJ's music any more. Now you are talking about changing the beats, the songs' structures, even MJ's vocal to make it sound like it's current and to make it sell. I very much disagree with this stance. If I want to listen to currently popular music then I will buy current artists' records. I really don't see the point in making MJ sound like everyone else sounds today. Then it's not MJ any more. Let's even autotune the heck out of his vocals because that's also soooooo current sounding, right? Current is NOT equal to great! Current is just cool today and won't necessarily be cool tomorrow.

Somebody pointed out that if MJ's music were brought up-to-date to suit current tastes it would sound dated in 5 years because musical trends age. That person completely missed the irony in what they were saying.

There is no irony. The point to say that current music will sound dated in 5 years is exactly that there's no reason to think that current is somehow superior. Current sound will date just the same as older music dated. People somehow seem to mistake the word "current" for "great" these days and it seems to be very fashionable to look down on everything that does not sound current. Anyway, like I said current will sound dated in a couple of years and so at the end of the day a demo of how Michael left a song and intended it will always be more interesting and valuable from an artistic point of view than someone else changing the beats, the song structures and even his vocals to sound like the fashionable trends of any given year.

I made peace with the fact Timbaland is working on it, but the idea that the beat, the song structures and even MJ's vocals need to be changed to fit in with the current trends to me rather seems like a nightmare than a dream. I hope Timbaland is talented enough to make it interesting for the general public (just because Sony/the Estate needs to make money to keep releasing stuff) but also to keep it a signature MJ track. I don't want MJ to sound like everyone else, I don't see the point in that. If I want to listen to other artists then I will buy their music. But if I buy an MJ record then I want him to sound like it's MJ not everyone else.

PS: No, I don't have to think Will.I.Am makes great music just because he's current and he currently sells. To me at least that's not the criteria for great music, regardless of anyone's age.

 

[dam2040]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

"Great music is immortal" Michael once said. Truly great music lives on. That's what makes it great. Most of these "commercial hits" won't live on after they've left the charts. It isn't about being commercial, it's just gotta be music that honours Michael's life and legacy.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I think it's immature that people are complaining about the estate releasing Michael's unpublished work, it's there job.

It's not a job that they are required to do. It is something they have chosen to do.

 

[StellaJackson]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

To be fair, the Estate released Hold My Hand as the debut single because that's what Michael wanted.

I don't think he did. I think that was just marketing speak.

Also, the song was recorded for Akon's Freedom album. It was never originally intended for an Mj solo album. It was pulled from that album when it leaked.

 

[HIStory]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I don't think he did. I think that was just marketing speak.

Yeah, just like they said Best of Joy was recorded in 2009, shortly before his death and it turns out it was actually recorded in October 2008.

 

[Xscape2041]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I don't think he did. I think that was just marketing speak.

Also, the song was recorded for Akon's Freedom album. It was never originally intended for an Mj solo album. It was pulled from that album when it leaked.

I think at one point this was his plan, but MJs plans changed a lot! I think it was to be the first single from Akon's album and meant to slowly "reintroduce" MJ. After that, MJ would have released his own single/album.

 

[Dilan]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I agree. I don't like Will.I.Am's music at all and I can only hope his collaborations with MJ are better than what Will usually puts out. I find his music seriously annoying - at least what is on the charts from him.

Fortunately, I remember him saying in an interview he will only release those tracks if Katherine Jackson requests them and that he doesn't want to release them because MJ did not give his seal of approval and that we should be happy with what he's already given the world.

With that mindset if they do see the light of day which they certainly will eventually he probably won't touch them up. Because this seems like a 'leave MJs demos how they are' sort of attitude, I think.

 

[Dilan]

Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

@bobmoo79
You cannot argue MJs music would have sounded like it does today if he released an album now because he cared only about sales. What the music industry is lacking today is someone who sets the sound for everyone else to follow the leader like in the 80's and 90's or even the 00's. Eg. Heartbreaker sounded like nothing else that was around in 2001 only in the last few years have we realised how ahead of it's time that song is - it's practically Dubstep. MJ doesn't necessarily follow trends, he sets them.