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Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

mjchris said:
exactly. perry is the best example for this. worst quality, but big attention, radio stations always play the songs, faked downloads > manipulated charts.
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I don't really like Katy (in fact, her quickly reducing the prices of her songs to 69c just to beat Michael's record annoyed me, he did it properly without having to resort to crap like that), but I do know that many people who listen to the radio stations that play her music actually like her and many of her new songs have done reasonably well on the iTunes Store. That would be why radio stations are constantly playing her.

It seems to me that there are a few ways to get MJ played on the radio and high in the charts. Number 1 is to produce a REALLY good song, that's radio friendly as well (like many of Katy's songs), and advertise/hype the ever-living shit out of it, pay the iTunes store to have banners for it and stuff. Another way, which would probably even get more attention, is to have an unreleased song that is intended to be a duet feature a prominent artist today that is respected, such as, for example, Beyonce. None of this 'Pitbull' bullshit (The only song off an MJ cd I haven't even bothered to import, ugh).

Seriously, a Michael Jackson feat. Beyonce song would absolutely slay the charts. You all saw the attention Slave 2 The Rhythm got from Beliebers when the Justin Bieber mix leaked. Bieber fans would have easily got that to #1 and, in all honesty, it probably would have stayed in the top 10 for a while (at least). If the artist is respected and popular enough, the single will do very well.
 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

AlwaysThere said:
I don't know where you saw those, but the estate said themselves that This Is It was only a radio single. If you saw a CD single in stores anywhere it was probably a fake.
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No major physical release, but there could be promo copies lurking around and been put up for sale here and there.
 
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ChrisC said:
No major physical release, but there could be promo copies lurking around and been put up for sale here and there.
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I've seen also a single release cd in markets in Germany. it contained 2-3 this is it remixes ( orchestral remix)
 
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DanGerouS- said:
I've seen also a single release cd in markets in Germany. it contained 2-3 this is it remixes ( orchestral remix)
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You confuses it with Hold my hand
 
MIST;3919802 said:
In the 80s there was an american student who spent a year in Sweden.She or he heard an album with the swedish group Roxette and bought the album.
When he/she came back to the states she took the album to a radiostation requested they should play it and they did.
People liked it and Roxette had several number one´s in the U.S.
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I don't think radios operate that way any more. In the 80s DJs could decide what to play, introduce lesser known or new acts to the mix etc. but now I think it's a lot more restricted with a lot less freedom and individuality allowed to DJs.
 
respect77;3919941 said:
I don't think radios operate that way any more. In the 80s DJs could decide what to play, introduce lesser known or new acts to the mix etc. but now I think it's a lot more restricted with a lot less freedom and individuality allowed to DJs.[/QUOTE

It´s not enough with one person requesting a song to be played in radio, but if we are many?

I think it was a radioprogram in UK which had a program where they played Michael´s songs, you could ask for the song you wanted to hear.They played the wellknown songs but in the end they played We´ve had enough.
We had a thread here that we should request that song.
Ok they were playing Michael´s songs but I think fans said they hadn´t heard that song played in that radiostation before
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Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Any and every song they are supposed to pay to play the music... Its a lot more restricted than it used to be and thats why when a song is leaked only a handful of stations have the guts to play it out of the thousands of stations around the world.

On kiss FM they were explaining the steps of getting music on the air as they were joking how music publishing companies contact the stations and try to convince them to buy rights to play the music..
 
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Can't wait for this now ! Hope for a single soon or at least some more news.
 
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Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

Get a little bit of news then it dies out. Hopefully, if this is out March onwards, we get a single January/Feb.
 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

well in all fairness, how much news would we expect to get pre-official announcement? I mean this is stuff the general public is not really supposed to know about. Generally we (the public) don't know anything about what someone is working on until it is announced!! It is the fan base and a few lucky randoms that find out some news before..

It is after announcement date set when news generally comes and leaks out.. song titles, sample tracks, people talking about it.. I mean we've heard stuff that is pre mature considering we don't expect a release for another 5-6 months.. And we tend to get upset when we don't hear news!!

I am guilty to being impatient about it too but it is what it is. I come here every day hoping to get news too.. but I in all reality we shouldn't complain about not knowing right now.
 
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KOPV said:
well in all fairness, how much news would we expect to get pre-official announcement? I mean this is stuff the general public is not really supposed to know about. Generally we (the public) don't know anything about what someone is working on until it is announced!! It is the fan base and a few lucky randoms that find out some news before..

It is after announcement date set when news generally comes and leaks out.. song titles, sample tracks, people talking about it.. I mean we've heard stuff that is pre mature considering we don't expect a release for another 5-6 months.. And we tend to get upset when we don't hear news!!

I am guilty to being impatient about it too but it is what it is. I come here every day hoping to get news too.. but I in all reality we shouldn't complain about not knowing right now.
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I think we will hear something only a few days or a week prior to the first single release. Less people know less piracy ahead of time they will deal with. I for one expect a digital release of the single follow by a cd single a week later. I m still holding out for Xmas release. I for one am excited for sure. I will be surprised if they release the demo along with the updated versions. I believe that that maybe speculation. The estate may have talked about it but in the end I think the won't do it. I think it would be awesome but might cause to much controversy for the estate in the end. I do believe the album is long done. Tim has been traveling around a lot as of late.
 
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I am getting very impatient!

Can't wait!!

Hope we will get the lead single this year!
 
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Does anyone have that footage of I think it was Will.i.am (My memory on this is faint so if i'm wrong about about who said this) but mentioned how Michael was planning more so digital releases over releasing another album.. While I personally like to have CD's, albums and watch it succeed. It is smarter for the way digital music and how music is purchased just to release for purchase as a digital downloaded song and keep it at that.

it saves cost, and gives each song attention where as if an album is released only the songs as official singles get noticed!! PLUS if this is something Michael really was thinking of doing, I'd like to see that happen in the future..
 
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KOPV said:
Does anyone have that footage of I think it was Will.i.am (My memory on this is faint so if i'm wrong about about who said this) but mentioned how Michael was planning more so digital releases over releasing another album.. While I personally like to have CD's, albums and watch it succeed. It is smarter for the way digital music and how music is purchased just to release for purchase as a digital downloaded song and keep it at that.

it saves cost, and gives each song attention where as if an album is released only the songs as official singles get noticed!! PLUS if this is something Michael really was thinking of doing, I'd like to see that happen in the future..
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Like the way Justin Bieber is doing it? a song every week on iTunes? Big chance of a flop there if no one picks up on it.
 
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^ Like the way Michael Jackson planned according to Will.i.am I believe it was..

From my take of what Michael planned, is to release singles as he debutes them on This Is It!! from what I put together that is what I figured was the plan.. I doubt Michael would release a song a week like that, he's one to hype a song or an album so long where its almost too long at times.. CD purchases wont be forever, even now when I talk about buying CD's a lot of people laugh!!

A physical disc will soon be something of the past, currently CD sales are about a 60%/40% ratio.. digital downloads are growing at an average 8% ratio each year (last 3 years) while each year a little more than the previous year. I would say with that by 2015 Digital downloads will be the majority purchace, and once that happens things will completly swing differently..

So I think there is a fair chance that the album AFTER this next one, lets say released it 2017, digital downloads will be so large that companies paying for boxing, shipping, packaging, and design of CD's/covers etc will be at a loss ratio to sell.. Now IF they came out with a way to largely limit pirating music for free, that would be now, the only reason why digital downloads are at lower percentage now is because most people that get music get it for free.
 
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KOPV said:
From my take of what Michael planned, is to release singles as he debutes them on This Is It!! from what I put together that is what I figured was the plan.. I doubt Michael would release a song a week like that, he's one to hype a song or an album so long where its almost too long at times.. CD purchases wont be forever, even now when I talk about buying CD's a lot of people laugh!!

A physical disc will soon be something of the past, currently CD sales are about a 60%/40% ratio.. digital downloads are growing at an average 8% ratio each year (last 3 years) while each year a little more than the previous year. I would say with that by 2015 Digital downloads will be the majority purchace, and once that happens things will completly swing differently..

So I think there is a fair chance that the album AFTER this next one, lets say released it 2017, digital downloads will be so large that companies paying for boxing, shipping, packaging, and design of CD's/covers etc will be at a loss ratio to sell.. Now IF they came out with a way to largely limit pirating music for free, that would be now, the only reason why digital downloads are at lower percentage now is because most people that get music get it for free.
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Yeah, I don't think they'd release a single every week. To an artist like MJ, That's like releasing the child you've been nurturing for months, then quickly forgetting about it the next week to focus on another. Honestly though, despite your statistics, I still see CD reigning for... at least the rest of this decade anyway. After that, we'll have to see. I just really don't see CDs being beaten by 2015... that just seems so soon (but who knows, vinyl was beaten by CD in just a matter of years back when MJ had the charts under his control).

I think it's interesting to look at vinyl here, despite having been around for god knows how long, vinyl is still being produced for brand new albums. I think CDs will remain like that. People like having a physical product in their hands when they purchase something, and there are still many implications of download services that make consumers prefer purchasing CDs. I'm not saying digital downloads will never overtake CDs, but I still have a strong feeling that for the next few years at least, CD will reign king. We'll just have to wait and see :)

Me personally ? I still probably buy Michael's full albums on CDs. The odd single (or EP, if any is released) though ? Definitely iTunes ^_^
 
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HIStoric said:
Yeah, I don't think they'd release a single every week. To an artist like MJ, That's like releasing the child you've been nurturing for months, then quickly forgetting about it the next week to focus on another. Honestly though, despite your statistics, I still see CD reigning for... at least the rest of this decade anyway. After that, we'll have to see. I just really don't see CDs being beaten by 2015... that just seems so soon (but who knows, vinyl was beaten by CD in just a matter of years back when MJ had the charts under his control).

I think it's interesting to look at vinyl here, despite having been around for god knows how long, vinyl is still being produced for brand new albums. I think CDs will remain like that. People like having a physical product in their hands when they purchase something, and there are still many implications of download services that make consumers prefer purchasing CDs. I'm not saying digital downloads will never overtake CDs, but I still have a strong feeling that for the next few years at least, CD will reign king. We'll just have to wait and see :)

Me personally ? I still probably buy Michael's full albums on CDs. The odd single (or EP, if any is released) though ? Definitely iTunes ^_^
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Not a chance. HD downloads (uncompressed studio masters) and iTunes downloads are growing each month. It's cheaper than pressing a cd and you'll get the booklets in a PDF file.

That's the future.

For physical music album, the next step is releasing it on BLURAY audio, pure audio.

Nowadays everyone likes to simply share content or using the content on different audio devices (like phones or portable music players).
 
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IMWhizzle said:
Not a chance. HD downloads (uncompressed studio masters) and iTunes downloads are growing each month. It's cheaper than pressing a cd and you'll get the booklets in a PDF file.

That's the future.

For physical music album, the next step is releasing it on BLURAY audio, pure audio.

Nowadays everyone likes to simply share content or using the content on different audio devices (like phones or portable music players).
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That's the future ? Oh yeah, I'm certainly not doubting that - no way :p

I'm just saying that for the next few years, physical media will still have a strong foothold on the market. There'll still be physical media for quite a while anyway, many people prefer having physical things and that's one reason why CDs and Vinyls are still selling hundreds of millions every year.

Talking about digital booklets though, I like it when the studios go the extra length and make an iTunes LP. For those that don't know, that's like an interactive booklet that you view in iTunes where you can look at the lyrics, photos, extra albums in the artists discography, even videos whilst playing the album you've purchased (obviously the music stops when the videos play but yeah). I hope they do that for the next MJ album.

I wonder how much it costs to press CDs for the major studios though, since they press so many, so they'd probably be paying less than we think. No doubt it's cheaper to digitally distribute their products, but just how ? I'm skeptical about Blu-ray audio/CDs myself though. I'll summarise a previous post of mine (you can view it in much more details here)

HIStoric said:
...Hell, I own a blu-ray player and even I am skeptical of the format to be honest. The vast majority of people won't be able to tell the difference if asked to tell them apart in a blind test (hell, most people can't tell the difference between 320kbps MP3 and lossless), so many people won't necessarily see the point in rebuying all their albums in this new format. Every new format that has caught on (CD, VHS, DVD, Blu-ray etc) has offered a substantial reason, that is easily notable, as to why people should upgrade to it. [Examples in full post linked above]. What exactly will Blu-ray CDs offer most people ? As I said, most people probably won't be able to tell the difference between your standard CD and Blu-ray CD and as such, it doesn't offer them too much of a reason to rebuy all your favourite albums again.
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That's not too say they won't take off, I'm just skeptical about the Blu-ray CD format for now, that's all. As much as I love MJ, I wouldn't be able to notice a difference between CD and Blu-Ray CD so I have no intentions to repurchase his discography :p

But yes, I still foresee them releasing new albums on physical media for... probably the rest of the decade, at least. Naturally, I won't be too surprised if digital downloads is reigning by then.
 
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In the UK vinyl sales just reached a 10 year high, but still only sold around 800k in total, mostly by people in their late 30s and 40s. Young people prefer digital.

Perhaps it's a sign of my age but I still prefer to buy CDs where I can actually hold the item I have just bought and flick through the booklet. Moral issues aside, buying a digital song or album kind of feels like a waste of money when you could get exactly the same product without paying a penny by a number of means (e.g. torrents, usenet, from friends etc).


As for BluRay, there have ALREADY been BluRay audio albums released over the last few years but they haven't reached a wide audience yet. Most people don't have good enough equipment to fully demonstrate the superiority of BluRay stereo audio quality and even if they did they wouldn't necessarily see the point in upgrading. BUT there is one very tangible benefit of BluRay audio:- BluRay albums can be produced in surround sound, and several surround albums already exist. Thriller itself was mixed in surround sound years ago but not released. If that mix is any good Sony could release it on BluRay audio with minimal cost (because the money has already been spent!). Surround sound is one very tangible benefit of BluRay that CDs, vinyl etc cannot match. Of course digital files could also be released to incorporate surround but at the moment they don't (unless you include pirated surround sound BluRays), and the album would be a very big download indeed.
 
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ChrisC said:
You have a source on that? Or is that your opinion?
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I was (slightly incorrectly) recalling a Sky News article I read the other day:

http://news.sky.com/story/1155822/vinyl-lp-sales-highest-in-a-decade-says-bpi

"The largest group of buyers are aged 35 to 44 and overwhelmingly male, according to a BPI poll."


But while searching for it just now I found some information on the BBC Radio1 website which could contradict that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24551472

"Research by ICM suggested 18 to 24-year-olds were buying more vinyl records than any other age group under 50."

That's statistics for you!

:doh:

 
Re: News and discussion about upcoming MJ album [Update Pg15]

I get songs on iTunes but if I really want a cd I will get it at the store. I love that feeling you get when you look forward to something and you go get the record or movie or whatever it is at the store and hold it.

I know like everything is going digital but sometimes I think people are missing out how it used to be. Sometimes I feel like technology is taking over our lives too much. There is a lot of good to it of course but it feels like something is missing at times. I hope I am making sense lol.
 
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record stores are closing all over the world, it will take a few more years for them to be pretty much wiped out, but really the only reason why physical product (CD's) still are a factor in sales is because of those who like getting a booklet to look at. Aside from that the benefit of CD is very limited. I have thought of the idea of booklet in PDF file like stated above, and I really don't think that is far fetched..

It would be smarter for record stores (places that sell CD's) to sell just booklets with a download code along with it to get the music. That way people that want a physical booklet can still get it. Plus that would cancel out any CD stores being shoplifted. (the code would have to be activated with purchase)..

People still buy vinyl records as collectable items, which what I see happening to CD's within the next decade.. Social media and technology is growing at such a rapid pace that it is completely changing our world. We are in a technological industrial revolution, back in the first "industrial revolution' that started in 1820 - if you would have told them how the world would be 50 years later they would have laughed.. just 15 years ago if you would have told someone that people would be walking around with smartphones with internet access, GPS, touch screen, games etc. They would have thought we are talking about something from star trek. in 10 years the cutting edge will be old news.

Downloaded music is already way larger than CD purchases. As far as purchases it's about split, but if you count the large sum of people the illegal download, downloads squash CD volume. Illegal download is THE reason why the music industry has gone down hill with sales.. the late 90's and early 00's album sales averages 10 million +, a good selling album would reach 20 million + .. Now an average selling album is 2.5 to 3 million and a good selling is 5-6 million.. The other 10-15 million people that used to buy are still getting music..

Downloads are taking over everywhere, not just in music.. Movies, business, entertainment. I currently work in the IT industry and I can tell you from my own sight things are changing fast..

* Within the next 5 years most companies will not make laptops anymore (some already have stopped, wasnt it just a few years ago that laptops were the cool thing? )

* Microsoft already created there whole system around touch screen

* companies no longer fax or share info via any other way aside from email & Downloads


I only get MJ CD's because I want to add to my collection and to say I own it that way..
 
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I didn't know you could buy hd audio files for download.
 
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I want something to hold. Cant beat the physical.
 
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When I really, really like an artist or an album I like to have it in physical format. It's just the feeling of really having it - the booklet, the artwork etc. Michael is in this category to me. But even if I buy CDs from my most favorite artists the next thing I do is to convert them in digital format, because it's more convenient to use. But I still like to have those albums in a traditional way and I think there are many people who share that sentiment, so CDs/LPs will not disappear completely, their share will shrink no doubt, but they are here to stay IMO.

Then there are the artists whom I like but not so much that I necessarily want to have their album in a physical way. Those are the artists whom I will buy on iTunes rather than on CD. The main reason for that is the lack of room for storing all those CDs. So that's another plus for the digital format besides more comfortable use.


KOPV said:
Downloaded music is already way larger than CD purchases. As far as purchases it's about split, but if you count the large sum of people the illegal download, downloads squash CD volume. Illegal download is THE reason why the music industry has gone down hill with sales.. the late 90's and early 00's album sales averages 10 million +, a good selling album would reach 20 million + .. Now an average selling album is 2.5 to 3 million and a good selling is 5-6 million.. The other 10-15 million people that used to buy are still getting music..
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Downloading no doubt it affected sales and the music industry, on the other hand people often forget about the pluses the digital era provides for the industry:

- Music is more easily available now than it used to be in the past. Maybe it's not such an obvious advantage for people in the US or UK, but here in Central Europe where I live you could not always get everything in a physical format in the past. And singles/maxi CDs were virtually non-existent here. Except for maybe shops specialized in providing for DJs, people only bought albums, so shops did not really store singles. However now I can go to iTunes and with two clicks buy a song for a lot less money than what a physical single would cost. And any song. And while - apart from one or two MJ singles - I was never a buyer of physical singles now I regularly buy songs on iTunes.

- Digital albums/singles are a lot cheaper. So I will be more inclined to buy even albums which I would not buy if they costed more. Of course, there are many people who think: "OK, but if I can have them for free then why should I pay for them AT ALL?" So yeah that is certainly a big problem for the industry, but then there are also people like me who actually buy more music now, because it is more available and cheaper now.

- Globalization also means a lot quicker and easier flow of information. Today if an album is released you can get the same amount of information, same PR, same hype anywhere in the world, whereas back in 90s, and especially the 80s with the iron curtain a lot of countries and potential buyers were a lot more isolated and did not get to see and hear everything, or only a couple of months or even years later. Now we have YouTube while most of the world did not even have MTV for most of the 80s (MTV Europe started in 1987).
 
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^ Great points!!

CD's will stay around for true fans who want physical, and collectors but the volume and simplicity of going to a store and buying will change. VHS is still sold, but does anyone know where to get it? It will be simular eventually. Those who want physical disc will get it, but there wont be a CD section like it is now.. First it will drop in size, only carry new CD's and big hits, then slowly drop from there, enough where it would be easier just to order a CD online than find in a store.

Me, I like physical CD's but I cannot say they are going to be the main form of music purchases for very long. If I am going to buy a CD though, it is MJ related otherwise im purchasing via download..
 
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i'm hoping for this new album to be released on every format known to mankind, vinyl, cd, digital, high fidelity blu ray, it needs promotion, airplay, this album can be a huge seller. it just needs to be done in the right fashion with L.O.V.E. i think one song a week could work (for the fans) through an mp3 download directing you to your paypal account and it'll download through itunes. if this recent news is anything to go by, then i'm buying every aspect of this project. sounds epic!!!!!
 
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