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J5master said:
Well like it was already mentioned Dangerous, he did have a USA leg that was canceled.

There have already been very good reasons stated for the History tour.

And when u think about it...it's not like he tours every year or something and never performed in the USA. He's had only ONE since the allegations. So that's not really a strong claim...that MJ didn't perform in the usa for that one tour...to say that MJ doesn't wanna perform/like to perform...in the USA.
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lol...not quite getting that paragraph.
 
MJ has had only one tour since the allegations where he hasn't performed in the USA. Thats not a basis to say that MJ doesn't like to perform in the USA. There's no pattern. MJ has had only ONE tour since the allegations.
 
J5master said:
And like i said, before...MJ didn't wear a bullet proof vest because it was AMerica and America hates him....he wore it cuz he was a HIGH PROFILE celebrity who was going through a very serious scandal with which...emotions are high and people do crazy things. And if the trial was held in Britain MJ probably would have worn a vest there too.

And like i said before, as far as TDCAU, millions and millions of people, minorities and non-minorities criticize the country A LOT. That does NOT mean that they have animosity towards the country as a whole.
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i'm not talking about millions and millions of people. i'm talking about what MJ said for himself in that lyric. and i'm not talking about what if's in britain. i'm talking about what was, in the usa during a trial. and i keep repeating...i'm not talking about america...i'm talking about american media.
 
arXter said:
bump, kick and rec.
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yes...though this is not serena...indeed..i concede, it's what i think...and some others think...but it's allowed for us to think it without hostility...and i'm not saying that you are the one being hostile. and those who disagree don't know that they are right, for sure, either. things have happened in the past..and lyrics have been written that would make it easy for people to think certain things. anyway...none of this discussion reflects on what mJ may or may not do in the future..
 
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no doubt. i don't think serena_williams suggested otherwise and i sure didn't. just bringing some of you lot back to reality because i'm seeing some impressive generalisations going on here LOL
 
arXter said:
no doubt. i don't think serena_williams suggested otherwise and i sure didn't. just bringing some of you lot back to reality because i'm seeing some impressive generalisations going on here LOL
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well...there was some impressive drama going on with Mike in this country in recent years. some of us, as fans are prone to react. the fans that react passionaltely are as much a part of reality as the other fans who react however they react.
 
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vncwilliam said:
i'm not talking about millions and millions of people. i'm talking about what MJ said for himself in that lyric. and i'm not talking about what if's in britain. i'm talking about what was, in the usa during a trial. and i keep repeating...i'm not talking about america...i'm talking about american media.
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All I am saying is MJ is one of many americans who have criticized the country and still appreciate it.

And u are saying that because the american media is so malicious, MJ doesn't want to associate with america or perform in america, or doesn't like america, or whatever. And I'm saying that your reasons for stating so doesn't necessarily add up to that conclusion.

And it wasn't american media that launched the trial and nearly destroyed his life...it was Tom sneddon and that grifter family. The media was only used (and submitted as such) as a tool to help the process along. But the bottom line is Tom sneddon and the malicious family and his accomplices is what caused that drama. THere isn't necessarily drama between "MJ and his country".

And MJ has not talked about the 'Media" as just "USA media" if u really want to get into MJ's words.

no doubt. i don't think serena_williams suggested otherwise and i sure didn't. just bringing some of you lot back to reality because i'm seeing some impressive generalisations going on here LOL
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Agreed.
 
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Guys!

No one hates on America, I personally never accept that, not even MJ, you see him holding the US flag on the WMA 2006 very proud citizen, also on HIStory tour from the beginning and on the closing segment he raises the US flag very high. He must be loyal and proud of his country. We should not get into this type of discussion, my only question was why the ”circumstances” did not allow MJ to perform in the US??
 
J5master said:
All I am saying is MJ is one of many americans who have criticized the country and still appreciate it.

And u are saying that because the american media is so malicious, MJ doesn't want to associate with america or perform in america, or doesn't like america, or whatever. And I'm saying that your reasons for stating so doesn't necessarily add up to that conclusion.

And it wasn't american media that launched the trial and nearly destroyed his life...it was Tom sneddon and that grifter family. The media was only used (and submitted as such) as a tool to help the process along. But the bottom line is Tom sneddon and the malicious family and his accomplices is what caused that drama. THere isn't necessarily drama between "MJ and his country".

And MJ has not talked about the 'Media" as just "USA media" if u really want to get into MJ's words.

Agreed.
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the lyric said 'i don't believe this is the land from which i came'....

and you're wrong to suggest that i said that he doesn't appreciate this country as a whole...i kept defending american fans. they are part of america. i said MJ apprciates american fans..they are of america. so i did not say that MJ completely wrote off america as a country. i happen to know he lives here. i also acknowledged that mj performed at msg..so i did not say he never performed in america period. i'm addressing a specific question from arabian knight...and by the way i'm not the only one who agreed with what i said...you're focusing just on me. still...having said that...i maintain that he was hurt by american media...that's not impressive. it's true. and you can't pretend that there aren't some people in america who are not influenced by the media. but you're going way overboard when you suggest that i stated that he completely wrote off america...but you are wrong to say that he hasn't been affected in some way by what happened in this country...as he has stated that there was a conspiracy here, one time..then said he didn't want to talk about it. and his father also said there was a conspiracy here..and he didn't go much futhre on about it. i am aware that there are media around the world that said things. but MJ and his father did make those statements. you are stretching my statements..and i'm being specific about specific points.
 
It's not all what some are thinking.. I mean Michael cancelled some U.S. dates in the BAD tour..

If u notice Michael often sets his U.S. dates to the end of the tour, by that time he gets worn out..

If the Dangerous tour started in the United States, his cancelled performances would have been other countries..

Though we do see Michael doing more over seas.. (Which is 100% understandable) he does not PURPOUSLY aim his tours AWAY from United States..

The only tour that did not have U.S. dates schedualed was HISTORY..


This could possibly by just simple planning by companies.. You know they put all facts into consideration while doing a tour..

For example, they will see where Michael is selling most, where is the largest demand. etc..

With the Dangerous album Michael sold 7 million in the United States

With History he sold 3.5 million in the united states but many other countries sales remained very simular to Dangerous sales..

This shows his demand went down in the United States and stayed as strong over seas..

U think Michael really plucks out where he DOESN'T want to go?? No, of course his input is put in.. But so much goes into it.. Venue, time slots, asking price etc..

For example often United States did not want to go for Michaels offering price for things but other countries did..

For example: MOONWALKER, when Frank and Michael were shopping around for places that would pick it up for theatre releases.. Many places around the world took there offer, while United States did not want to fork out the money untill they saw the footage.. (by that time it was too late)


A lot of BUSINESS goes into it.
 
vncwilliam said:
what do you mean by that?
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The media may compromise of some press and TV networks which are owned by some foreign investors not necessary American citizens, my point is that it is not a campaign against MJ by Americans and even though this doesn’t suggest that America hates MJ, it is just business and it knows no mercy
 
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KOPV said:
It's not all what some are thinking.. I mean Michael cancelled some U.S. dates in the BAD tour..

If u notice Michael often sets his U.S. dates to the end of the tour, by that time he gets worn out..

If the Dangerous tour started in the United States, his cancelled performances would have been other countries..

Though we do see Michael doing more over seas.. (Which is 100% understandable) he does not PURPOUSLY aim his tours AWAY from United States..

The only tour that did not have U.S. dates schedualed was HISTORY..


This could possibly by just simple planning by companies.. You know they put all facts into consideration while doing a tour..

For example, they will see where Michael is selling most, where is the largest demand. etc..

With the Dangerous album Michael sold 7 million in the United States

With History he sold 3.5 million in the united states but many other countries sales remained very simular to Dangerous sales..

This shows his demand went down in the United States and stayed as strong over seas..

U think Michael really plucks out where he DOESN'T want to go?? No, of course his input is put in.. But so much goes into it.. Venue, time slots, asking price etc..

For example often United States did not want to go for Michaels offering price for things but other countries did..

For example: MOONWALKER, when Frank and Michael were shopping around for places that would pick it up for theatre releases.. Many places around the world took there offer, while United States did not want to fork out the money untill they saw the footage.. (by that time it was too late)


A lot of BUSINESS goes into it.
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This makes a lot of sense because there are many other reasons involving agencies, enforcements, sponsoring, etc…

For example, there was a football match (soccer) between Real Madrid and Barcelona last year during the football league which was not aired by any TV network because of agency conflicts, there were fighting for exclusivity and that resulted in not airing the match live. So the business matters always have something to do with it and perhaps this is one of them.
 
KOPV said:
It's not all what some are thinking.. I mean Michael cancelled some U.S. dates in the BAD tour..

If u notice Michael often sets his U.S. dates to the end of the tour, by that time he gets worn out..

If the Dangerous tour started in the United States, his cancelled performances would have been other countries..

Though we do see Michael doing more over seas.. (Which is 100% understandable) he does not PURPOUSLY aim his tours AWAY from United States..

The only tour that did not have U.S. dates schedualed was HISTORY..


This could possibly by just simple planning by companies.. You know they put all facts into consideration while doing a tour..

For example, they will see where Michael is selling most, where is the largest demand. etc..

With the Dangerous album Michael sold 7 million in the United States

With History he sold 3.5 million in the united states but many other countries sales remained very simular to Dangerous sales..

This shows his demand went down in the United States and stayed as strong over seas..

U think Michael really plucks out where he DOESN'T want to go?? No, of course his input is put in.. But so much goes into it.. Venue, time slots, asking price etc..

For example often United States did not want to go for Michaels offering price for things but other countries did..

For example: MOONWALKER, when Frank and Michael were shopping around for places that would pick it up for theatre releases.. Many places around the world took there offer, while United States did not want to fork out the money untill they saw the footage.. (by that time it was too late)


A lot of BUSINESS goes into it.
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well..i admit to a little schizophrenia here....i think that some MJ sales are not being reported in the usa charts..and that MJ sells well over here..but....for the sake of debate, then....why do you think that MJ sales seem less in the usa..and why do you think usa people aren't willing to do these deals with MJ as much as they are willing to do it in other countries?
 
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As discussed I may conclude the main reasons prevented him from touring the US during Dangerous and HIStoury:

1) Business went wrong:
Some exclusivity agreement may prevented MJ from appearing in some events or a concert in certain venues in the US due to agency demands or could be another unknown reason related to business.

2) Pepsi cancelled the contract for Dangerous Tour:
I don’t have details about this.

3) Health related:
He went to rehab due to drug addiction towards the end of Dangerous Tour. Also maybe he could not finish the History tour because he was tired towards the end.

4) Law suit and trial in 1993:
This may caused #2 and #3

5) Exposed to bad press in the US:
This could be resulted in avoiding the heavy media bombardment in the US

Perhaps there are reasons which we should not consider or talk about but you would wonder why MJ didn’t tour the US which is surprising and there must be very strong reason(s) which prevented that from happening. On the other hand (if I can remember correctly) he was planning to tour the US to promote the album “Invincible” especially after the success of MSG and the reactions from the media, but you know what happened later...
 
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From what I heard and read, Michael wanted to tour the US, but Sony talked him out of it because of the bad press we was getting. Personally I find it BS because alot of fans in the US (myself included) want to see Michael perform.

Hopefully on the next project he does some kind of US tour. Maybe not a full scale tour, but something like 30 nights with some breaks in between here and there I think would be great for the fans, and for album sales
 
J5master,

I really admire your position towards your country.

Vncwilliam,

You have revealed valid issues about this topic with many realistic possibilities.


Guys please no need to have personal attacks on each other, you both have valid points and I appreciate the info, pls let’s keep it cool!
 
I find a strong corrilation of MJ's declined sales in the U.S. and the medias attack on Michael.. Of course that gets into peoples mind.

Not saying that Michael cannot over come it, but it has effected it.
 
KOPV said:
I find a strong corrilation of MJ's declined sales in the U.S. and the medias attack on Michael.. Of course that gets into peoples mind.

Not saying that Michael cannot over come it, but it has effected it.
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of course. it's not like he's a robot...nor am i, for reacting like i do.

i've been around long enough to compare the media's past behaviour towards other celebrities in the nineties to how MJ was being treated. i remember the phone calls i used to make to try and get MJ songs played, and the hostile reactions i got from dj's before i had a chance to say anything. i know how the charts changed, and how there was this perception that this media tried to put forth saying just how much a disaster that MJ's career has become...according to them. unless you could see through it all, you'd think there was no more MJ career to hope for. and there were enough people who did believe what the media said, for quite a while. not the fans..but still a lot of people. and who would leave such a wonderful home as MJ had to leave? yes there was a sneddon...and he was in the usa. the bottom line is it represents our country...and it reflects on our country...even if our fans were totally pissed off about it. and again...this thread's topic was about what happened in the past...not in the future...so i'm not writing off anything. i'm talking about the thread's topic.
 
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I have to say something because I read some off the wall things on here about the USA and I just had to make a few points -

* Michael is an American. He loves his country. There are times when he said the things that he said about America that were true. America, like all countries have their issues. However, let's not forget that an American jury freed MJ. Yes, MJ left the US, but James Brown told Al Sharpton to tell MJ to come back to his country and he did.

* The US media do not represent the US public. Let's not get it twisted. There have been many issues regarding that aspect. MJ has always have American fans. His cds sold more in the USA than any other country. That is huge. MJ is loved in the USA. Just because the American media will forever hate on MJ, does not mean that the millions of American citizens do. It might look like it but there is no proof of that. Also, ALL media trashed MJ so stop trying to say that only the USA media does that.

* MJ does need America just as much as MJ needs the rest of his worldwide fans. Do not feel discourage just because it seems that the American public does not want to see him on tour. It is not proven. Also, MJ should have toured in the USA first during the Dangerous and History tours. It looked like he just shut off his American fan base and that was not right.

* MJ was going to tour the USA during the Dangerous tour until those crazy allegations hit. I remember I had a conversation with my sisters some two years ago and we talked about that. My one sister told me that she believed that she either heard a commercial or seen a commercial of the Dangerous tour and it was coming to Philadelphia. I just remember us three going like, "damn!" whenever we thought about it because of the fact that those terrible allegations happened.

* Yes, MJ did wear a bullet proof vest during the trial. He had death threats. Heck, he could have worn the vests when he was in Europe as well, but as usual, no one on here ever thought about that.

* I think MJ will tour and will start at the States first. I remember reading something years ago about the time MJ was going to tour in the USA during the BAD tour. When Entertainment Tonight was a regular entertainment news show and not the crap that it is today, Mary Hart had exclusive access to the tour. When people saw what it was going to look like, that tour SOLD OUT in the States. So, I will be positive that hopefully, Michael will tour the States but before that, he should give some show and exclusive access to the tour.

This is a good thread but some of the replies are something else. People, where is the positivity?
 
I've literally just cleaned the last page. This is a great thread. The underlying current will end immediately. Stick to the topic and do not address anyone without respect.
 
Bee1983 said:
I have to say something because I read some off the wall things on here about the USA and I just had to make a few points -

* Michael is an American. He loves his country. There are times when he said the things that he said about America that were true. America, like all countries have their issues. However, let's not forget that an American jury freed MJ. Yes, MJ left the US, but James Brown told Al Sharpton to tell MJ to come back to his country and he did.

* The US media do not represent the US public. Let's not get it twisted. There have been many issues regarding that aspect. MJ has always have American fans. His cds sold more in the USA than any other country. That is huge. MJ is loved in the USA. Just because the American media will forever hate on MJ, does not mean that the millions of American citizens do. It might look like it but there is no proof of that. Also, ALL media trashed MJ so stop trying to say that only the USA media does that.

* MJ does need America just as much as MJ needs the rest of his worldwide fans. Do not feel discourage just because it seems that the American public does not want to see him on tour. It is not proven. Also, MJ should have toured in the USA first during the Dangerous and History tours. It looked like he just shut off his American fan base and that was not right.

* MJ was going to tour the USA during the Dangerous tour until those crazy allegations hit. I remember I had a conversation with my sisters some two years ago and we talked about that. My one sister told me that she believed that she either heard a commercial or seen a commercial of the Dangerous tour and it was coming to Philadelphia. I just remember us three going like, "damn!" whenever we thought about it because of the fact that those terrible allegations happened.

* Yes, MJ did wear a bullet proof vest during the trial. He had death threats. Heck, he could have worn the vests when he was in Europe as well, but as usual, no one on here ever thought about that.

* I think MJ will tour and will start at the States first. I remember reading something years ago about the time MJ was going to tour in the USA during the BAD tour. When Entertainment Tonight was a regular entertainment news show and not the crap that it is today, Mary Hart had exclusive access to the tour. When people saw what it was going to look like, that tour SOLD OUT in the States. So, I will be positive that hopefully, Michael will tour the States but before that, he should give some show and exclusive access to the tour.

This is a good thread but some of the replies are something else. People, where is the positivity?
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BASICALLY. lol That's what i've been TRYING to say.
 
I hear you, J5. That drives me insane when people want to always go there with MJ and America. I mean, there are at least 350 million people that live in the USA and I believe a good amount are big time fans. I have stories about people I been around with who are huge fanbs of the guy and would love to see him on tour.

Even with the story of MJ and his brothers touring - people in this country was excited. The MSG concerts back in 2001, do you know how many people watched that special in the USA? Almost 30 million. After everything, people still gave a damn. We all saw those people in the audience - having a great time in NYC watching a great man doing his thing. That was one of the biggest events in music that year.

When MJ was vindicated, a bunch of people in NYC were cheering. I will never forget that. Noticed that the media were the only ones angry - their plan exploded in the faces. Let's give the US people a benefit of the doubt. Like Arabian Knight stated that he met some really great people from the USA. Those people are there.
 
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I hear you, J5. That drives me insane when people want to always go there with MJ and America. I mean, there are at least 350 million people that live in the USA and I believe a good amount are big time fans. I have stories about people I been around with who are huge fanbs of the guy and would love to see him on tour.

Even with the story of MJ and his brothers touring - people in this country was excited. The MSG concerts back in 2001, do you know how many people watched that special in the USA? Almost 30 million. After everything, people still gave a damn. We all saw those people in the audience - having a great time in NYC watching a great man doing his thing. That was one of the biggest events in music that year.

When MJ was vindicated, a bunch of people in NYC were cheering. I will never forget that. Noticed that the media were the only ones angry - their plan exploded in the faces. Let's give the US people a benefit of the doubt. Like Arabian Knight stated that he met some really great people from the USA. Those people are there.
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Bee...not once did i say that fans in the usa did not support MJ...not once.

i stand by what i said about the media. and i stand by what i said about there being no incident in britain. i'm going by what i saw in america..i don't go by what ifs. and..as you said..James Brown had to tell Sharpton to convince MJ. MJ didn't do it on his own. also..i already acknowledged that media around the world have said not too kind things about him..but i stand by the extra intensity of american media. and i stand by that MJ is human..sensitive and reactionary. and i stand by what his father said, along with him about conspiracy. i am as positive as they come..but i will also call it like i see it. and by the way..what you seem not to want to see is that i'm talking about past events...not future events...nor am i talking about the current state of how people in the usa feel about MJ. i know the passionate support that usa fans have never stopped giving MJ..and i was one of the ones that passionately defended MJ fans in america to usa media. it was the usa media that thought MJ was kaput. period. totally done. but notice..i said WAS. today i'm one of the first ones who picks up when usa media supports him...and when fans support him. you don't seem to see, that i was focusing on the recent PAST..not the present. cus this was the subject of this thread. please read my ENTIRE post. i'm seperating the past from the present, the fans from the media, picking out media exceptions...and just repeating what i heard MJ say, and what i heard his father said...about the past. and i'm referring to situations that actually happened in the usa...not hypothetical situations in britain.

and..on another note..i am allowed to be critical of things going on in my country without being called a hater of my country. i love my country....and i'm not a national security risk. i'm just talking about the media and what effect it can have. i'm excercising free speech here..and i'm not hating on my ENTIRE country. one more time i will mention it, in case you haven't seen it earlier in this post. i know that MJ fans in the usa have always supported him. some of this stuff you were saying about fans and msg, Bee, are things i already acknowledged.
 
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Reeta said:
The thing why Michael "dislikes" US has nothing to do with the fans, US fans are as much appreaciated and loved as the rest of the world's fans. In my opinion it's the strong US media and bad people, who are constantly trying to put Michael down, that made him to move away and say he's not sure if he wants to tour in US again. For example if I say 90% of things that are written on tabloids here in Europe are originally from US tabloids I don't think Im that far from the truth. If I would be in Michael's shoes, living here in Finland and the media would be doing the same to me as they're doing to him, heck yes I'd move away.
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I would say one, particular source......
 
vncwilliam said:
of course. it's not like he's a robot...nor am i, for reacting like i do.

i've been around long enough to compare the media's past behaviour towards other celebrities in the nineties to how MJ was being treated. i remember the phone calls i used to make to try and get MJ songs played, and the hostile reactions i got from dj's before i had a chance to say anything. i know how the charts changed, and how there was this perception that this media tried to put forth saying just how much a disaster that MJ's career has become...according to them. unless you could see through it all, you'd think there was no more MJ career to hope for. and there were enough people who did believe what the media said, for quite a while. not the fans..but still a lot of people. and who would leave such a wonderful home as MJ had to leave? yes there was a sneddon...and he was in the usa. the bottom line is it represents our country...and it reflects on our country...even if our fans were totally pissed off about it. and again...this thread's topic was about what happened in the past...not in the future...so i'm not writing off anything. i'm talking about the thread's topic.
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you've said it all
thank you for this
 
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