Where can the Jackson's go from here...

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Lmao...OK!

Just one question, how do you become the most famous person (man or women) on the planet during the decade that is the 80's, hold that postion through the begining of the 90's and then suddenly in the mid of the decade, stop being the most famous person on the planet. instead its now your sister. Yeah...I think your getting "liked or tolerated more" (in the eyes of the media) mixed up with "more famous".

BTW...post these articles cause I would really like to read them. Please & Thank You!

Wrong wording on my part. I mean POPULAR. :) Janet was far more popular in the 90's to the early 00's. But of course, MJ was the more famous and recognizable one. It was more about him than his music though.

Articles about what? You should be more specific in your posts.
 
Just because you think Janet was more famous than Michael doesn't make it factual either. Janet with all due respect has never come close to Michael Jackson. Heck Michael was better during his rehearsals aged 50 than Janet has ever been in her entire life. Janet is a distant memory to people outside the USA. Whatever fame she had in Europe vanished. All she is known for is now being the little sis and someone who used to be successful. The worldwide sales of her past three albums combined don't add up to 10 mill. IF that is not lacking success, I don't know what is. LMAO

Measuring fame is not determine-able. Because it's an intangible and unmeasurable entity. Mike is a famous musician. Janet is a famous musician, famous TV actress, and famous movie star. Those are facts. Janet was more successful on Billboard than Mike since 1990. And it's been that way since then. That's a fact. Whether if you think someone is better is subjective. If you think Mike was better than Janet during TII. Then that's your opinion. However others will disagree. I'm sure you haven't seen any Janet performances btw. But it appears you wont accept that. In Europe ppl still know her name, her albums both old and new are still selling, and her Jingle Bell Concert sold out in less than an hour. Obviously ppl still care about her. Not to mention Her greatest hits is selling better than her last studio effort in the UK. She has sold over 10 million albums this decade, and nearly 15 million records in total. I just love how ppl try and kick Janet while she's down, but in the end she always gets the last laugh. And it's been that way for quite some time. And if she's "lacking success" why is she the first artist to have a #1 song in four different decades? Something others couldn't/haven't pull(ed) off. Why did her last movie open at #1, along with her album...giving her 6 #1 albums. The most for a black female. Discipline collectively is a platinum record despite no hits and no label support. Seems like success to me. And watch her next film open at #1 and possibly her album.
 
janet has NEVER been more famous than michael,she was more popular at one point because of the bad press on michael. i remember reading that after the 93 allegations some interviewer asked janet how is felt to now be the most famous jackson and SHE SAID No my brother Michael is the most famous. if i could find the source i'd post it.

I already said "wrong wording on my part". I meant popular. And of course, MJ was always the most famous one for his 80's mania and his personal tribulations.

Just because you think Janet was more famous than Michael doesn't make it factual either. Janet with all due respect has never come close to Michael Jackson. Heck Michael was better during his rehearsals aged 50 than Janet has ever been in her entire life. Janet is a distant memory to people outside the USA. Whatever fame she had in Europe vanished. All she is known for is now being the little sis and someone who used to be successful. The worldwide sales of her past four albums combined don't add up to 10 mill. IF that is not lacking success, I don't know what is. LMAO

This whole post has nothing to do with my response :mello:

Again, showing your bitterness towards Janet. And on top of that you confuse popularity for good music. You act as if Janet has NEVER garnered attention nor success. :mello: She has some accolades that MJ doesn't have you know. Janet just recently became the first artist to have a #1 hit in the 80's,90's, 00's and '10s. She's getting hers. I see why your mad though ;)
 
I already said "wrong wording on my part". I meant popular. And of course, MJ was always the most famous one for his 80's mania and his personal tribulations.



This whole post has nothing to do with my response :mello:

Again, showing your bitterness towards Janet. And on top of that you confuse popularity for good music. You act as if Janet has NEVER garnered attention nor success. :mello: She has some accolades that MJ doesn't have you know. Janet just recently became the first artist to have a #1 hit in the 80's,90's, 00's and '10s. She's getting hers. I see why your mad though ;)
ok i just want you to tell me what accolades has janet got thAT mj did not...I really want to know.

Its all well and good to support and stick up for your favorite artist, but don't resort to making shit up.
 
*waits for "Okay Janet got [insert award] but Mike has [insert award that's supposedly better]" comments*
 
I already said "wrong wording on my part". I meant popular. And of course, MJ was always the most famous one for his 80's mania and his personal tribulations.

not only his 80's mania and tribulations. michael was making history from a child in the jackson 5 until the day he left this earth...actually he's still making history now with his record sales and movie. some people just choose to ignore his post bad work.
 
Measuring fame is not determine-able. Because it's an intangible and unmeasurable entity. Mike is a famous musician. Janet is a famous musician, famous TV actress, and famous movie star. Those are facts. Janet was more successful on Billboard than Mike since 1990. And it's been that way since then. That's a fact. Whether if you think someone is better is subjective. If you think Mike was better than Janet during TII. Then that's your opinion. However others will disagree. I'm sure you haven't seen any Janet performances btw. But it appears you wont accept that. In Europe ppl still know her name, her albums both old and new are still selling, and her Jingle Bell Concert sold out in less than an hour. Obviously ppl still care about her. Not to mention Her greatest hits is selling better than her last studio effort in the UK. She has sold over 10 million albums this decade, and nearly 15 million records in total. I just love how ppl try and kick Janet while she's down, but in the end she always gets the last laugh. And it's been that way for quite some time. And if she's "lacking success" why is she the first artist to have a #1 song in four different decades? Something others couldn't/haven't pull(ed) off. Why did her last movie open at #1, along with her album...giving her 6 #1 albums. The most for a black female. Discipline collectively is a platinum record despite no hits and no label support. Seems like success to me. And watch her next film open at #1 and possibly her album.

Yes please lets stick to FACT. First, the Jingle bell ball concert was NOT Janets... she was not headlining that she was a guest performer. That Concert was sold out before Janet added her name to the list.

Second her greatest hits aint doing squat on the charts not here or the UK. FACT.

Third...Her last movie opened at number one because it was a Tyler Perry movie...FACT, ALL of his film have opened at either #1 or 2 regardless of whos in it (or in some cases, if the story sucked) and I don't expect the next ones to be any different.

Fourth... Discipline is NOT a platnum album...you need to sell a MILLI for that. FACT.

And fifth...Yeah, I hope JJ does the damn thing in the future.
 
Yes please lets stick to FACT. First, the Jingle bell ball concert was NOT Janets... she was not headlining that she was a guest performer. That Concert was sold out before Janet added her name to the list.

Second her greatest hits aint doing squat on the charts not here or the UK. FACT.

Third...Her last movie opened at number one because it was a Tyler Perry movie...FACT, ALL of his film have opened at either #1 or 2 regardless of whos in it (or in some cases, if the story sucked) and I don't expect the next ones to be any different.

Fourth... Discipline is NOT a platnum album...you need to sell a MILLI for that. FACT.

And fifth...Yeah, I hope JJ does the damn thing in the future.

Ummm, not according to reports. Janet sold out the concert in less than an hour.

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/entertainment/2009/10/20/janet_jacksons_concert_sell_out

And don't even try to dispute those receipts.

Secondly, her greatest hits compilation went gold in the UK

http://www.hiponline.com/8710/janet-jacksons-make-me-tops-dance-charts.html

Her website sent out an email with that info. Again, don't even try to dispute the receipts.

Third, her film opened at #1 because she was in it. Jill Scott is not a box office draw, and neither is Tyler Perry without Madae. He needed Janet to sell his movie cuz he knew with her name attached to the bill as the lead actress it would sell. And it did. Nevertheless, her film opened at #1.

Fourth, notice I said Discipline collectively is a platinum record. Record = album + single. The album sold 446k, "Feedback" sold 600k+ downloads. Platinum = 1,000,000. 446k + 600k = 1,046,000. 1,046,000 > 1,000,000. Discipline = platinum record.

Oh don't worry she will. :punk:
 
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This thread doesn't look like it's going to last long. It's so O/T right now. All I have to say is that I for the first time, I'm with Twinklee on this one.
 
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Janet was more successful on Billboard than Mike since 1990.

I think you know that's not true but even so, Janet has had several more releases than Michael. She's churned out 6 studio albums since 1990. Michael released only 3 studio albums. Pointless to compare them since they're not on equal ground as far as the quantity of material is concerned.

Not to mention Her greatest hits is selling better than her last studio effort in the UK.

Not exactly an impressive feat. It only needed just a little promotion to do better than the dismal sales of Discipline. Even with several high profile public appearances and performances (VMAs, AMAs) including one on the biggest rating TV show in the nation it barely cracked the top 30 which is bad for the almighty 'more popular than MJ' Janet Jackson. Extremely bad. Greatest hits compilations generally do very well in the UK, even for bands/artists with only moderate success compared to Janet. Snow Patrol and Will Young who are barely even heard of outside the UK recently had top 10 compilations. Madonna's Celebration went to #1. Janet hasn't been doing well here for a while now. :ermm: They're practically giving The Best or Number Ones (whatever it's called) away on amazonmp3 and iTunes for just £5. For a double disc set of almost 40 tracks. :unsure: It is very bad. Janet needs to do something if she wants to reclaim any of the success she had in the 90s. She's been on the decline for a long time now, and I think it has nothing to do with promotion but rather everything to do with the lack of substance in her recent work. All filler no killer. :no:

Janet was not the sole performer at the Jingle Ball concert and so it's unreasonable to lay all the praise at her feet for the tickets selling out. Lady Gaga was the main draw for tickets and you can see for yourself on the radio site pictures of the event, and how Gaga is the one plastered all over the page and there's one small picture of Janet near the bottom. The day after both Janet and Lady Gaga respectively performed on the X Factor everyone was talking about Gaga's performance. :mello: Another big draw for tickets sales for the Jingle Ball was Dizzee Rascal who is huge in the UK and enjoys #1 hit after #1 hit whilst it seems like Make Me was, and still is nowhere to be seen. :unsure:

And if she's "lacking success" why is she the first artist to have a #1 song in four different decades? Something others couldn't/haven't pull(ed) off.

See below.

Janet just recently became the first artist to have a #1 hit in the 80's,90's, 00's and '10s. She's getting hers. I see why your mad though ;)

Also, Janet is NOT the first person to do this. The first american female maybe. But not 'the first artist'. Cliff Richard has had #1s in five decades. So it's already been done for years already. :hysterical:
 
Ummm, not according to reports. Janet sold out the concert in less than an hour.

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/entertainment/2009/10/20/janet_jacksons_concert_sell_out

And don't even try to dispute those receipts.

Secondly, her greatest hits compilation went gold in the UK

http://www.hiponline.com/8710/janet-jacksons-make-me-tops-dance-charts.html

Her website sent out an email with that info. Again, don't even try to dispute the receipts.

Third, her film opened at #1 because she was in it. Jill Scott is not a box office draw, and neither is Tyler Perry without Madae. He needed Janet to sell his movie cuz he knew with her name attached to the bill as the lead actress it would sell. And it did. Nevertheless, her film opened at #1.

Fourth, notice I said Discipline collectively is a platinum record. Record = album + single. The album sold 446k, "Feedback" sold 600k+ downloads. Platinum = 1,000,000. 446k + 600k = 1,046,000. 1,046,000 > 1,000,000. Discipline = platinum record.

Oh don't worry she will. :punk:
Yes because HER website is not gonna hype her up...where are the figures from say the actual sales chart in the UK.

Discipline did not go platnum and it's sad and desperate that you have to break it down that way to say that it did.

Lmao...@ Tyler Perry not being a draw...thats why all of his film before and after did well (and in some cases BETTER) then WDIGM.

Annnddd... yeah...like I said, Hope JJ does her thing in the years to come...
 
Ummm, not according to reports. Janet sold out the concert in less than an hour.

http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/entertainment/2009/10/20/janet_jacksons_concert_sell_out

And don't even try to dispute those receipts.

Secondly, her greatest hits compilation went gold in the UK

http://www.hiponline.com/8710/janet-jacksons-make-me-tops-dance-charts.html

Her website sent out an email with that info. Again, don't even try to dispute the receipts.

Third, her film opened at #1 because she was in it. Jill Scott is not a box office draw, and neither is Tyler Perry without Madae. He needed Janet to sell his movie cuz he knew with her name attached to the bill as the lead actress it would sell. And it did. Nevertheless, her film opened at #1.

Fourth, notice I said Discipline collectively is a platinum record. Record = album + single. The album sold 446k, "Feedback" sold 600k+ downloads. Platinum = 1,000,000. 446k + 600k = 1,046,000. 1,046,000 > 1,000,000. Discipline = platinum record.

Oh don't worry she will. :punk:

It was sold out before she was anncounced, all radio programs do that same witht he Jinggle balls in the usa, usally they all sell out before the acts are announced.
 
Yes please lets stick to FACT. First, the Jingle bell ball concert was NOT Janets... she was not headlining that she was a guest performer. That Concert was sold out before Janet added her name to the list.

Second her greatest hits aint doing squat on the charts not here or the UK. FACT.

Third...Her last movie opened at number one because it was a Tyler Perry movie...FACT, ALL of his film have opened at either #1 or 2 regardless of whos in it (or in some cases, if the story sucked) and I don't expect the next ones to be any different.

Fourth... Discipline is NOT a platnum album...you need to sell a MILLI for that. FACT.

And fifth...Yeah, I hope JJ does the damn thing in the future.



the album is certified gold in the uk, if it didn't sell that , the lable wouldn't have paid to certify it. and why did I get married is Tyler Perry most successful non Madea movie, meet the browns, Daddy's little girls and the family preys together were not to say box office dissappoinemts but they weren't succeful as his madea's films why did I get married was.
 
I think you know that's not true but even so, Janet has had several more releases than Michael. She's churned out 6 studio albums since 1990. Michael released only 3 studio albums. Pointless to compare them since they're not on equal ground as far as the quantity of material is concerned.



Not exactly an impressive feat. It only needed just a little promotion to do better than the dismal sales of Discipline. Even with several high profile public appearances and performances (VMAs, AMAs) including one on the biggest rating TV show in the nation it barely cracked the top 30 which is bad for the almighty 'more popular than MJ' Janet Jackson. Extremely bad. Greatest hits compilations generally do very well in the UK, even for bands/artists with only moderate success compared to Janet. Snow Patrol and Will Young who are barely even heard of outside the UK recently had top 10 compilations. Madonna's Celebration went to #1. Janet hasn't been doing well here for a while now. :ermm: They're practically giving The Best or Number Ones (whatever it's called) away on amazonmp3 and iTunes for just £5. For a double disc set of almost 40 tracks. :unsure: It is very bad. Janet needs to do something if she wants to reclaim any of the success she had in the 90s. She's been on the decline for a long time now, and I think it has nothing to do with promotion but rather everything to do with the lack of substance in her recent work. All filler no killer. :no:

Janet was not the sole performer at the Jingle Ball concert and so it's unreasonable to lay all the praise at her feet for the tickets selling out. Lady Gaga was the main draw for tickets and you can see for yourself on the radio site pictures of the event, and how Gaga is the one plastered all over the page and there's one small picture of Janet near the bottom. The day after both Janet and Lady Gaga respectively performed on the X Factor everyone was talking about Gaga's performance. :mello: Another big draw for tickets sales for the Jingle Ball was Dizzee Rascal who is huge in the UK and enjoys #1 hit after #1 hit whilst it seems like Make Me was, and still is nowhere to be seen. :unsure:



See below.



Also, Janet is NOT the first person to do this. The first american female maybe. But not 'the first artist'. Cliff Richard has had #1s in five decades. So it's already been done for years already. :hysterical:
Thank you for talking sense into the senseless LOL!
 
I think you know that's not true but even so, Janet has had several more releases than Michael. She's churned out 6 studio albums since 1990. Michael released only 3 studio albums. Pointless to compare them since they're not on equal ground as far as the quantity of material is concerned.

Both Janet and MJ have released 10 studio albums each. :mello: Janet was far more successful in the 90's and she only released 2 studio albums in that decade. She was dubbed the 2nd most successful artist of the 90's.

Not exactly an impressive feat. It only needed just a little promotion to do better than the dismal sales of Discipline. Even with several high profile public appearances and performances (VMAs, AMAs) including one on the biggest rating TV show in the nation it barely cracked the top 30 which is bad for the almighty 'more popular than MJ' Janet Jackson. Extremely bad. Greatest hits compilations generally do very well in the UK, even for bands/artists with only moderate success compared to Janet. Snow Patrol and Will Young who are barely even heard of outside the UK recently had top 10 compilations. Madonna's Celebration went to #1. Janet hasn't been doing well here for a while now. :ermm: They're practically giving The Best or Number Ones (whatever it's called) away on amazonmp3 and iTunes for just £5. For a double disc set of almost 40 tracks. :unsure: It is very bad. Janet needs to do something if she wants to reclaim any of the success she had in the 90s. She's been on the decline for a long time now, and I think it has nothing to do with promotion but rather everything to do with the lack of substance in her recent work. All filler no killer. :no:

Actually, it is considering her last run of hits in the UK was with All for You. Her last two studio albums didn't see the light of day over there. So for her Greatest Hits to crack the top 30 is good. She might do well with her new studio album.

Janet was not the sole performer at the Jingle Ball concert and so it's unreasonable to lay all the praise at her feet for the tickets selling out. Lady Gaga was the main draw for tickets and you can see for yourself on the radio site pictures of the event, and how Gaga is the one plastered all over the page and there's one small picture of Janet near the bottom. The day after both Janet and Lady Gaga respectively performed on the X Factor everyone was talking about Gaga's performance. :mello: Another big draw for tickets sales for the Jingle Ball was Dizzee Rascal who is huge in the UK and enjoys #1 hit after #1 hit whilst it seems like Make Me was, and still is nowhere to be seen. :unsure:

Janet and Lady Gaga didn't perform on the same night :sigh:


Also, Janet is NOT the first person to do this. The first american female maybe. But not 'the first artist'. Cliff Richard has had #1s in five decades. So it's already been done for years already. :hysterical:

I see you lack comprehension :no:

I know Janet is not the first to have decades of #1 hits. Janet was the first in '10. Making her the first to have one for each decade from the 80's-10's.
 
Both Janet and MJ have released 10 studio albums each. :mello: Janet was far more successful in the 90's and she only released 2 studio albums in that decade. She was dubbed the 2nd most successful artist of the 90's.
Not sure how you can say that when Michael is listed in the Top 50 Best Selling Albums of that decade with dangerous. And as far as I know, Janet was the 24th 'most successful artist' of the 90's and Michael was 4th. It doesn't make her any less of an artist though, she was still acknowledged as a being successful.

Janet and Lady Gaga didn't perform on the same night :sigh:
Dizzee, Flo Rida and NeYo did.

There's always going to be this argument though. I don't see why we can't just accept that they're both great artists, accept that they both have great achievements and that they have been very successful in the music industry.
 
Not sure how you can say that when Michael is listed in the Top 50 Best Selling Albums of that decade with dangerous. And as far as I know, Janet was the 24th 'most successful artist' of the 90's and Michael was 4th. It doesn't make her any less of an artist though, she was still acknowledged as a being successful.

Source? Janet is the 2nd for the 90's. I don't know where you got #4 from. MJ isn't even in the top 10. I got this from billboard.com

Dizzee, Flo Rida and NeYo did.

There's always going to be this argument though. I don't see why we can't just accept that they're both great artists, accept that they both have great achievements and that they have been very successful in the music industry.

and what are they compared to Janet? :lol:

You should direct this to twinklee.
 
I think you know that's not true but even so, Janet has had several more releases than Michael. She's churned out 6 studio albums since 1990. Michael released only 3 studio albums. Pointless to compare them since they're not on equal ground as far as the quantity of material is concerned.

I don't have to think anything is true. I know it's true. Who's at #7, who's at #8?
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/specials/hot100/charts/top100-artists-20.shtml
Also, who's at #2, who isn't even on the list?
http://www.billboard.com/news/ask-billboard-alanis-morissette-nielsen-1003919935.story

Don't even try to dispute the receipts. Facts are facts.

Not exactly an impressive feat. It only needed just a little promotion to do better than the dismal sales of Discipline. Even with several high profile public appearances and performances (VMAs, AMAs) including one on the biggest rating TV show in the nation it barely cracked the top 30 which is bad for the almighty 'more popular than MJ' Janet Jackson. Extremely bad. Greatest hits compilations generally do very well in the UK, even for bands/artists with only moderate success compared to Janet. Snow Patrol and Will Young who are barely even heard of outside the UK recently had top 10 compilations. Madonna's Celebration went to #1. Janet hasn't been doing well here for a while now. :ermm: They're practically giving The Best or Number Ones (whatever it's called) away on amazonmp3 and iTunes for just £5. For a double disc set of almost 40 tracks. :unsure: It is very bad. Janet needs to do something if she wants to reclaim any of the success she had in the 90s. She's been on the decline for a long time now, and I think it has nothing to do with promotion but rather everything to do with the lack of substance in her recent work. All filler no killer. :no:

Greatest Hits compilations sell over time. Were you expecting it to go triple platinum in 2009? :mellow:
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She hardly did any promo for the thing and "Make Me" wasn't even released officially and still topped the dance charts for two weeks. And it's nice to see you're checking for Janet, knowing her chart positions and how much the compilation is being sold for on Amazon. She owns you. :blush:

Janet was not the sole performer at the Jingle Ball concert and so it's unreasonable to lay all the praise at her feet for the tickets selling out. Lady Gaga was the main draw for tickets and you can see for yourself on the radio site pictures of the event, and how Gaga is the one plastered all over the page and there's one small picture of Janet near the bottom. The day after both Janet and Lady Gaga respectively performed on the X Factor everyone was talking about Gaga's performance. :mello: Another big draw for tickets sales for the Jingle Ball was Dizzee Rascal who is huge in the UK and enjoys #1 hit after #1 hit whilst it seems like Make Me was, and still is nowhere to be seen. :unsure:

Again, don't even try to dispute the receipts boo

Virgin Media > You

And actually the UK was talking about both. Not to mention they read Gaga to filth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...n-insists-doing-pre-recorded-performance.html

And Simon thanked Janet for coming and participating the day before the show aired.



Also, Janet is NOT the first person to do this. The first american female maybe. But not 'the first artist'. Cliff Richard has had #1s in five decades. So it's already been done for years already. :hysterical:

Oh I'm sorry. Cliff Richard had a #1 song in the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s on the Billboard charts?

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Yes because HER website is not gonna hype her up...where are the figures from say the actual sales chart in the UK.

Discipline did not go platnum and it's sad and desperate that you have to break it down that way to say that it did.

Lmao...@ Tyler Perry not being a draw...thats why all of his film before and after did well (and in some cases BETTER) then WDIGM.

Annnddd... yeah...like I said, Hope JJ does her thing in the years to come...

The website isn't going to hype up false information. If it went gold, it went gold. I'm almost sure the label knows more than you do.

Discipline sold over 1 million records. I find it funny how you say it's sad, but it's okay for ppl to say Mike sold 750 million albums and singles. Double standard much? Sales are sales hun.

Find me a movie Tyler Perry was in that didn't feature Madae that went #1. And I'll wait......:coffee:
 
It was sold out before she was anncounced, all radio programs do that same witht he Jinggle balls in the usa, usally they all sell out before the acts are announced.

Ummm, Virgin Media begs to differ. Don't try to dispute the receipts boo. Sit down.

the album is certified gold in the uk, if it didn't sell that , the lable wouldn't have paid to certify it. and why did I get married is Tyler Perry most successful non Madea movie, meet the browns, Daddy's little girls and the family preys together were not to say box office dissappoinemts but they weren't succeful as his madea's films why did I get married was.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Again, sit down.
 
Come on people why so much negativity the thread strted well then just turned into an argument - wheres the Love?
I dont see any point of this threadstaying open as it is just getting worse

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