When do you think Michael and Lisa last spoke?

When do you think they last spoke to each other?


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You can't really tell if she looks sad, but she does look disoriented and in no mood for laughter. And she is bitting her nails often. Biting nails is a self conscious thing. which means "in psychological terms" that when a person is bitting his/her nails they are constantly thinking about something and/or they are nervous about something. Thats why really nervous people, or people with problems bite their nail often.
 
So I was going through some old threads in 'Michaelmania' and came upon this thread about Riley and Ryan Cabrera and an interview Ryan did with Ryan Seacrest in 2008.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50732

I've always thought that it was just a coincidence that Ryan and Austin were best friends and that Ryan was together with Riley.

But Ryan had said that he met Riley through Austin. So Austin and Riley have been dating since 2006 (just read on wiki that they split up in Feb 2009, but don't know if that is true now that we've seen those LAX pics of them).

Anyways, what I am getting at is that Austin and Riley seem to have been friends preceding her relationship with Ryan. SO, that leads me to believe that Riley and Lisa were perhaps still in touch with some members of the Jackson family way into the millenium. I read on this thread that Lisa was good friends with Rebbie and was reported to spend time at her house or something like that. We also now know that Lisa spent a lot of time with Michael's mother after the divorce and everyone absolutely loves Katherine. IDK if she and janet kept up their friendship over the years.

But I just found it really interesting that Riley and Austin were friends before she started to date Ryan Cabrera. No wonder she sat next to Austin at the public memorial.

Who here thinks that Lisa might have gotten updates about Michael from Rebbie and/or Katherine? You know, just to see how he was doing?
 
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Here is the link:
http://stacy.hyperboards.com/index.php?action=view_topic&topic_id=12064

Yeah, she doesn't look good though. I read from the other board that Lockwood wasn't there, and haven't been seen with her for a long time.. anyway, haven't been seen doesn't mean anything, right? Ben was there, the white shirt one... If she was flying to London, where's the twin.. and where's Lockwood.

dori, I think you're right... her pic biting her nail looks like that..
 
elmari, thanks for that info. Am sure that we really don't know what's going on between MJ and LMP and with his family. What wasn't on the news is something we don't know. Who knows, MJ and LMP might be in touch and meet up once in a while all along.

What she said on the interview which we use the word "Bashing", think again.. she was speaking of her opinion to the past relationship... she didn't say anything really bad about MJ, but many people got made because we only expect her to say something good - which is not the case. Sometimes she did defended him.. by not giving out his personal information in those interview, while she could. The worst part of those interview was something like, she doesn't know if he loved her.. or may be he loved her as much as he he could... he used her.. timing was bad.. The fact is, we don't know if behind all this media.. they might not be mad at each other, one phone call a year or two as and old friend wouldn't hurt... Plus she kept in touch with his family.

The part that MJ said that she spent her times with his mom.. they were really close, I can't imagine myself doing that at all. His mom was as close as she could get to him at that time.. and she was happy with that.
 
wow, I was looking through old pictures and lisa was STUNNING when she was with Michael. She was absolutely gorgeous!

And I too thought about the Austin thing and his relationship with Riley. It could be that when Lisa visited Rebbie she would take Riley with her and she became friends with Austin. Oh, and trust me lol, Lisa probably WAS getting up dates from the family. Also remember that there was a time after the trials were Michael disappeared from the united states altogether. Maybe Lisa was still worried about him? Or maybe, since Riley and ben are old enough, they would still visit michael without Lisa present? hmmmm
 
wow, I was looking through old pictures and lisa was STUNNING when she was with Michael. She was absolutely gorgeous!

And I too thought about the Austin thing and his relationship with Riley. It could be that when Lisa visited Rebbie she would take Riley with her and she became friends with Austin. Oh, and trust me lol, Lisa probably WAS getting up dates from the family. Also remember that there was a time after the trials were Michael disappeared from the united states altogether. Maybe Lisa was still worried about him? Or maybe, since Riley and ben are old enough, they would still visit michael without Lisa present? hmmmm

Someone on this thread posted that Lisa would bring her kids when she visited with Rebbie and that Ben had the biggest crushes on Rebbie's daughters and would flirt with them all the time. :laugh:
 
This person on youtube makes the most beautiful LM/MJ fanvids. She just posted her latest one and it's set to Christina Aguilera's 'Hurt'. The lyrics go right along with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJivBp0dEFc


"Hurt"
Christina Aguilera

Seems like it was yesterday when I saw your face
You told me how proud you were but I walked away
If only I knew what I know today

I would hold you in my arms
I would take the pain away
Thank you for all you've done
Forgive all your mistakes
There's nothing I wouldn't do
To hear your voice again
Sometimes I want to call you but I know you won't be there

I'm sorry for blaming you for everything I just couldn't do
And I've hurt myself by hurting you
Some days I feel broke inside but I won't admit
Sometimes I just want to hide 'cause it's you I miss
You know it's so hard to say goodbye when it comes to this

Would you tell me I was wrong?
Would you help me understand?
Are you looking down upon me?
Are you proud of who I am?
There's nothing I wouldn't do
To have just one more chance
To look into your eyes and see you looking back

I'm sorry for blaming you for everything I just couldn't do
And I've hurt myself
If I had just one more day, I would tell you how much that
I've missed you since you've been away

Oh, it's dangerous
It's so out of line to try to turn back time

I'm sorry for blaming you for everything I just couldn't do
And I've hurt myself

By hurting you

 
I am just goofing off tonight and going off on wild tangents. I went to go look at Lisa and Michael's zodiac love compatibility.

Lisa's bday: Feb 1, Aquarius
Michael's bday: Aug 29, Virgo


Here are some interpretations that I found:

Aquarius and Virgo love compatibility
Both are mental signs rather than emotional, but Virgo looks on the darker side of life while Aquarius is imaginative and optimistic. There is no strong sexual attraction between them. Aquarius needs activity, social events, a wide circle of acquaintances. Virgo enjoys a quiet existence with a few close friends. There will be neither especially strong excitation, nor interesting erotic games. The sober, practical Virgo is inclined to criticize the Aquarius' generosity. Their goals are very different: Aquarius wants to be as brilliant as possible; Virgo wants to be as efficient as possible. The marriage is possible in case they both have strong feelings towards each other.

When I first read this, I had their signs mixed up in my head and thought that Lisa was the Virgo and Michael the Aquarius. SO the interpretation made sense to me, but now it doesn't. It almost seems the opposite of the two.

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Here is a sexual compatibility reading btw Virgo and Aquarius.

This can be a very challenging and exciting encounter with both the element of surprise, and friendship turning sexual fast. Virgo and Aquarius are an interesting combination of passion, friendship and sexuality. Social activities will keep the relationship stimulating and highly erotic. Virgo is a sign that will keep Aquarius grounded. Both desire sex, friendship and share creative abilities. Over time, one of you may fall in love quickly and suddenly. Keep it light Virgo, and see what develops. Aquarius needs to give Virgo credit for effort and laughter. Virgo is not as shy as Aquarius would like to believe. When Aquarius becomes silent, Virgo will feel the need to escape. For this to work: plan trips and travel together. Build a connection based on substance and you could create memories of a lifetime together.

Had a compatibility rating of 3 out of 4 hearts. :)

Wow, this interpretation seems to be spot on in describing Michael and Lisa. Especially the part of when A gets silent, V will feel the need to escape.

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Aquarius gives Virgo the impression of living a wonderfully exciting life and this could be the initial attraction for Virgo. The independence and self reliance of Virgo gives Aquarius the impression of strength and a sense of relief in finding someone who will not lean too heavily on him/her, thus making the attraction between them strong enough to start a relationship on first impressions alone. Not a good way to start out together in life!

Both of these signs get there motivations from mental stimulation and Virgo fully expects to get his/her encouragement from within the relationship while Aquarius looks to outside influences to supply his/hers. Aquarius' preoccupation with other peoples problems are not apt to leave a lot of time for sharing of the quiet life that Virgo enjoys and it would not be long before Aquarius will be feeling the effects of the sharp tongue that Virgo was so generously endowed with.

Aquarius' outside influences could be the cause of disaster in their sexual relations. Since their appetites are about equal this should be a good match sexually, but Virgo may not be able to get Aquarius' mind off other peoples problems and back in the bedroom for very long at a time. This relationship will have a hard time just making it to a short affair status. Not a match made in Heaven.

Wow, this is another spot on reading. Lisa's outside influence could be the disaster in their sexual relations, i.e. Lisa changing her mind about having MJ's baby! I still think that Priscilla, Danny and others influenced her on this.

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When Virgo and Aquarius join together in a love match, they bring out either the best or worst in one another. Virgo has a more rigid, theory-oriented approach to life. The poetic Aquarian approach, on the other hand, knows nothing of the scientific world. But these two lovers may actually thrive on their differences; they grow together as they learn about one another.

Aquarius tends to passionate and temperamental while Virgo operates more methodically, and with little fuss. Virgo is very organized and levelheaded. Aquarius is modern and finds routine unthinkable. Virgo will find Aquarius exciting but may become annoyed trying to probe this artist's mind. Aquarius will be upset by Virgo's criticism, but will find the solid base Virgo provides very appealing.

I agree in that they brought out the best and worst in each other.
 
^^^^^^^^this is very cool! Where did you get those zodiac results? lol I also believe in zodiac signs =)
 
The Rabbi was on ET tonight and he was talking about LMP/MJ. He said that Michael "deeply loved Lisa" and that Michael sounded very nostalgic when speaking about the marriage because it meant a lot to him. :( I don't remember what else was said, I'm sure it'll be on youtube soon.
 
The Rabbi was on ET tonight and he was talking about LMP/MJ. He said that Michael "deeply loved Lisa" and that Michael sounded very nostalgic when speaking about the marriage because it meant a lot to him. :( I don't remember what else was said, I'm sure it'll be on youtube soon.

I think Lisa was the love of his life. It's so sad it didn't work out. :(
 
^^^^^^^^this is very cool! Where did you get those zodiac results? lol I also believe in zodiac signs =)

Just through various websites found through google.

In all of the readings, it doesn't seem like it would be easy for Virgo and Aquarius to have a successful relationship, IMO.

What do you think?

The Rabbi was on ET tonight and he was talking about LMP/MJ. He said that Michael "deeply loved Lisa" and that Michael sounded very nostalgic when speaking about the marriage because it meant a lot to him. :( I don't remember what else was said, I'm sure it'll be on youtube soon.

Dang, i was flipping through channels and saw Michael's pic on ET and then I saw the fake rabbi, so i changed channels quickly because i didn't want to see his ugly ass face.

Michael will forever and ever be a romantic at heart.
 
Is it possible that Lisa actually had a close relationship with his family all along? Like Michael said in the book that he still see Lisa's kid... and he missed them so much. I could imagine that he thought of them as his too. I think it's really possible that she's still close with family, without being in the news... May be Lisa and Michael could even kept in touch all these years.. with out being photograph. I keep thinking, may be what she said on the interview was a front... they actually didn't fight.

I've been looking at that video on youtube... so sad.. there are other video too.. all sad. Michael looks so happy when he was with her.. and he was definitely the best thing that happened to her too. She looks great... happy and beautiful.
 
No, the part that he talked about LMP I posted it here already. That's it.
 
yep. all messaged posted after October 2nd got deleted... see the Ask Us forum for explanations.
 
OH really? I didn't notice, but I had a hard time loggin in the other day.

If it really go deleted, it's better than the thread got deleted. Hope we can keep this thread.
 
I found this on other board:

Lisa said on Oprah show that she and Michael were during "stuff" together doing that time of the interview. I'm sure Liz knew about it and that's why she said he is so shrewd! Lisa said when Michael said another girl, he was talking about her. And Oprah had that shock, stupid look on her face. But didn't follow it up! So typical of her! Oprah had showed a clip of the interview that she had with Michael! I also remember Brett Livingston-Strong saying Michael and Lisa got reacquainted in 92 when he invited them both to his home. I think it was in November of 92. And right after that, Michael and Lisa went to Atlanta, GA to work with former President Jimmy Carter. That was in April of 92. Michael and Former President Carter had a charity together for sick children. Michael went to Atlanta with Lisa. Michael was wearing a shirt button up to the neck and Lisa had on a jean jacket and was wearing cross earrings. It caused a stir when it was reported that Michael was there with Lisa Presley!

About MJ and LM's relationship and how they met

[ Brett Strong: They just fell head over heels in love and that love just grew and grew to the point where they just married.
ET's John Tesh: Internationally renowed, Brett Livingstone Strong will now be known as Hollywoods hottest match maker. This Australian creator has made millions with his paintings and his sculpting. He has two National monuments now displayed in Washington, DC. and is currently working on his third, a tribute to our space program. And now he is the guy who bought two musical super powers to the altar.
Brett Strong: Obviously Lisa was not looking at Michael for his fame or looking at him for his success. She was purely looking at him because he is a true gentleman. She never questioned all those accusations against him.
ET's John Tesh: Strong is a long time friend of both. He originally talked the pop music icon to meet with Lisa to hear her sing. It was to be a business deal.
Brett Strong: I told Michael what if I came up with and brought to you the best person on this planet who has not been exposed, and is beautiful. Michael's reponse was "who the heck are you talking about. Who is it?." I said Lisa Marie Presley. Michael's response was "No! She can sing?" She is fantastic. Michael said "well Brett obviously I am interested. Can you get me a tape or something?"
ET's John Tesh: Well Lisa did not want to send a tape. She wanted to perform in person. So Brett arranged a meeting at his house in November 1992 when this picture was taken of the three of them and Bretts' son, Stason.
Brett Strong: In fact that was the day they first came together and where Lisa performed a couple of song's for Michael. It was a fabulous experience, for I think both of them. And Michael really felt really honored. He was like "Wow! I am Lucky. You know." And Lisa felt the same.
ET's John Tesh: And it turns out that Michael loved more than just her singing. They ran off and got married. Brett said that Lisa did not even tell her mother. And Brett said you can forget all the rumors you hear about why the couple married. This is the real deal.
Brett Strong: It is a purely a very simple story. It's a love affair that grew from a friendship
 
Thanks for that CTU! I think we've figured out a couple more pieces of the puzzle. So they officially reacquainted themselves in Nov 1992 and Michael did the Oprah interview in Feb 1993. So yes, the 'other girl' is Lisa then. :)

Ok, so when Lisa was interviewed by Oprah, Lisa said that she and Michael had already been hanging out by the time of that interview? I'd love to see that part!
 
Go to http://www.presleyspride.com there is the interview from Oprah on there.

Thanks, CTU! That's very interesting. But how do we really know he meant Lisa when he said "other girl." I think it might be her, but I'd like to know for sure. :p

Btw, here are some rare pics of LMP and MJ that I found on another MJ forum (shamone_mj)

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Go to http://www.presleyspride.com there is the interview from Oprah on there.

Thanks, CTU! That's very interesting. But how do we really know he meant Lisa when he said "other girl." I think it might be her, but I'd like to know for sure. :p

Btw, here are some rare pics of LMP and MJ that I found on another MJ forum (shamone_mj)

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Lisa looks really beautiful in the first pic in the black dress. But is it just me or does Lisa look really bored and like she couldn't be less interested, in the other pics in Disneyland? :lol: MJ was probably like "Look at the lights! :clapping: Aren't they beautiful!! I love this place! It's MAGIC!!" :wub: and Lisa was probably thinking (at least judging from the look on her face :lol:) "Gosh...when can we finally go back into our room...This is boring. And it's COLD out here!!" :timer: :lol:
 
Thanks for sharing those pics with us mandy543.
 
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Wow! I never, ever seen those pics before. Thanks Mandy!

I just gotta say this. . . I've never seen Michael wear vests as casual wear before. Only with Lisa! LOL!

They look like they are on their first date because it looks a little awkward. LOL! Are they already married here?
 
awww i love the pics! thanks! and yea, they look awkward in the pics but its really cute! lol maybe she was still married and they went as "friends".
 
Hey thanks, I never seen those pics before, where did you find it.

By the way, what's the Oprah interview name, what year? Is it "Lisa, Oprah, ET" or "Lisa's interview w/Oprah pt. 1". I couldn't make it work on my computer : (

I think I'm gonna drop the look on Lisa's face, she seems to have this looks on her all the time anyway.. I don't think you can take her expression as her real feeling. As she didn't seems to act like she loved MJ that much, but now we know that she actually loved him so much.

yeah, MJ wore vest when he was with Lisa... actually his photos with LIsa, he dress like a normal people... may be she was an influence.

I think they started dating not long after they met in Nov 1992, as they said he sent her a birthday flower/gift in early 1993. Then she was with him at the president event in May 1993. So they actually dated a year before they got married. I recalled that Lisa said in the DS interview that they dated only 4 months, after she was separated from her husband. She said that in respect of her husband. She actually started dating MJ not long after she had her son... and still married.

As for the photo the took together when they first met at Brett's. Some media dated it as 1994, some people said that the media divert the date because they don't want MJ to have any women with him while he had the accusation. But for me, it think may be MJ/LMP didn't want people to know when they actually started dating. It's like MJ was concern that Danny would be mad, but he wouldn't want people to talk about Lisa in that way. I do believe that he loved her so much, he didn't even care what he did was wrong, she was married and just had baby.
 
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Is it possible that Lisa actually had a close relationship with his family all along? Like Michael said in the book that he still see Lisa's kid... and he missed them so much. I could imagine that he thought of them as his too. I think it's really possible that she's still close with family, without being in the news... May be Lisa and Michael could even kept in touch all these years.. with out being photograph. I keep thinking, may be what she said on the interview was a front... they actually didn't fight.

I've been looking at that video on youtube... so sad.. there are other video too.. all sad. Michael looks so happy when he was with her.. and he was definitely the best thing that happened to her too. She looks great... happy and beautiful.

I've been posting the above post, then I found at the other board that Lisa spent her 2007 or 2008 birthday in Vegas when MJ was there, she also happen to be in Ireland the same time MJ was there. There was a report that she was looking for a house... and MJ was living down on the same street. People on that board said she's a stalker... may be they did meet up?
 
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