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When do you think Michael and Lisa last spoke?

When do you think they last spoke to each other?

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CTU said:
Considering he is a very passionate and emotional guy, I really expect him to be like that when it comes to LOVE too. I think he was, otherwise, Lisa wouldn't fell for him that bad, even obsessed with him for a long time. The "good in bed" part, I don't know if it's true but prefer to believe it.. (I wonder why Lisa's friend would give that information to Randy anyway... if she did, Lisa should have hate her? Or Michael would had been so mad too.. he's very private and didn't even want to reply to DS that he had sex with his wife... from what he sit quiet and Lisa answered that question). I think he loved Lisa so much, otherwise, I don't think Lisa would love him as much too? What do you think? I don't think Lisa is the type that would run after MJ, if she didn't really fell for him... not his Money and not Jackson name... but pure love for the man - who he was.

I agree, he didn't said out loud that he acted indifferent or he's hurt, but they way he talked about her.. I kept distance? Why wouldn't he just said, yes I loved her so much... he could even use the word "lovED", to express he did... not now.. but he didn't. He didn't want to show his feeling, why would he, she was bashing him.

I think they did talk a lot during those year right after divorce, many topics, but he did hide some, like the part that he was hurt that she was territorial with her kids... may be.

Again, I'm dying to know when the last talk....
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From the fake rabbi's book, based solely on Michael's comments (and hoping it's word for word), Michael was very, very private when it came to romantic love. It was something that he had grown up thinking was very personal and private and should not be talked about with anyone, other than the girl.

He had said that he would be so embarrassed to have his mother and father at his wedding. He said that's why most of them had run off and gotten married. But he also said that his mother understands why her children would do that. Michael actually got this trait from Katherine. She never talked about Joseph and her as a couple to her children and said that it's private. They would ask her 'do you kiss Joseph? do you love Joseph?' and she would tell them to hush and leave her alone.

So I do think that Michael was very passionate and loving with his woman, when alone with her. But would not flaunt it in front of others. Did you see how horrified he was when DS asked Lisa if they had sex and Lisa was like 'Yes, yes, yes!'. He probably could have died then and there. He was very embarrassed.

But you do notice that he had no problem speaking fondly about Brooke and Tatum, Princess Di, etc. I truly believe that with Lisa, it was more personal, more painful and more intimate and that is why he could not talk more about her in that way.

But then again, we have only heard a fraction of some 30 hours of private tapes. Ugh!

Also, at this time she was dating Nic Cage and they were serious. Maybe he was hurt and didn't want emotional stuff about her.

indranee said:
but these tapes were made in 1999-2000, right? she wasn't really bashing him then, was she? I think he was still hoping for a reconciliation at this time. it's just something in his words, the way he says them that tells me that. I think he still had hope. he was mulling over everything he did that had pushed her away (the hardheartedness and all the rest of the stuff etc) at one time... he says she was sweet... that she loved going with him to the orphanages... it was almost as if he was telling himself about the good things that were there... the fact that she wanted to come back.

he didn't say I don't want her back. he spoke in the past tense in terms of how his heart had turned cold. not in terms of the present.

and you guys are right... he avoided the word "love" with her totally. that IS significant. usually when something means a lot, and you're as private a person as he was, you keep it hidden.
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What's sort of strange is that Lisa begged Michael to come back to her sometime btw 1996 and 1998. He said no and probably said let's just be friends.

Then once she accepts that and tries to move on by dating other men and getting engaged or married, Michael seems like he wants her back. WTH? They never wanted to get back with each other at the same time. I think 2003 was the last time that they could have been on the same page, but that's when the allegations struck again.
 
I think I got to watch DS Interview again, to see his face LoL. I think you're right the part that Lisa was his real love which is intimate.. hahah so he was so shy and don't discuss it. He was raised to be like that.. when it come to intimacy.

Their timing really sucks. I think she was after him in 1997-1998, he was actually still in relationship with her but didn't commit himself to be exclusive. Then when she start dating, that's when he wanted her back, he's a jealousy type (I actually thought normal people do get jealous... MJ included) as he was showing his jealousy about her ex husband (that was long time ago...). That's when Lisa was dating new guy but still couldn't kept MJ out of her mind... I think they was still taking from time to time during that period. Up until she decided to marry Nic, I think she actually thought she can moved on.. and thought of MJ as a friend, otherwise she wouldn't got married. Anyway, found out later that it didn't work, who knows, it might caused by MJ.

he called her after the divorce... but then... Blanket... Who know which month he was born? So we can count back 9 months to see... if that was before or after LM divorce Nic.


elmari said:
So I do think that Michael was very passionate and loving with his woman, when alone with her. But would not flaunt it in front of others. Did you see how horrified he was when DS asked Lisa if they had sex and Lisa was like 'Yes, yes, yes!'. He probably could have died then and there. He was very embarrassed.

But you do notice that he had no problem speaking fondly about Brooke and Tatum, Princess Di, etc. I truly believe that with Lisa, it was more personal, more painful and more intimate and that is why he could not talk more about her in that way.

Also, at this time she was dating Nic Cage and they were serious. Maybe he was hurt and didn't want emotional stuff about her.

What's sort of strange is that Lisa begged Michael to come back to her sometime btw 1996 and 1998. He said no and probably said let's just be friends.

Then once she accepts that and tries to move on by dating other men and getting engaged or married, Michael seems like he wants her back. WTH? They never wanted to get back with each other at the same time. I think 2003 was the last time that they could have been on the same page, but that's when the allegations struck again.
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wait, wait, you think Blanket is Lisa's?

that's a crazy thought LOL! hmm... lemme check. okay, little Blanket was born 21 February, 2002, in La Mesa, CA.

Nic and Lisa were married in August of 2002 and officially divorced in 2004. they were no longer a couple a few months after the wedding though.

and, apparently, Nic, when asked what happened, said, "I don't wear a single glove".

we need to make of THAT what we will ;)
 
indranee said:
something must have gone horribly wrong between 2001 and 2003. :(
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Hmm. I think so too. Maybe after her divorce from Nic, MJ called her and wanted to get back together and she turned him down, but by then Lisa had already moved on and didn't want to go back into the past? Sounds like a possibility.

I think Michael loved her very much. And like someone else mentioned, he spoke very freely of Tatum and Brooke, who I believe were just crushes or puppy loves in his life that were fun! Lisa was more serious...He wanted a family with her, he wanted her to be the mother of his children, so I definitely think that he had a strong love towards her. If he didn't, I doubt he would want a big family with her. He even said that he wanted to be "one big family." Again, if Michael didn't care about her or love her, he wouldn't have been devastated at the divorce and not having children with her. He could have just said, "Oh well, I'll just get a surrogate." He was hurt, he wanted a family, children, a wife, the whole nine yards. He thought Lisa would give that to him and I bet it probably hurt him that he had to resort to a surrogate and not have the woman in his life have his children. Poor MJ, I wish that happened for him. :(

The transcripts pretty much confirm that "Don't Walk Away" is about LMP.
 
No, I don't think Blanket was Lisa's. I think the broke up... that's why MJ decided to have Blanket.. or he had Blanket before Lisa actually decided to get married? Something actually did happen then, they both part ways... She got married, he got another child.

Mandy, did he said something about Nic in the book. I really wish there's a search function in the book...
 
ahh, I get you. my brain was fried last night toward the end. yes, Blanket was born in February, Lisa married Nic in August. things were already pretty bad between them BEFORE Blanket came into this world, I'm betting on that. what I wonder is what happened right after Mike's talks with Shmuley where he still sounds good about Lisa and hopeful even, and all the bashing she started in 2003.

it seems like these two didn't know what else to do after some point in their lives except keep hurting each other. :(

ya know, as bad as I feel about this fake rabbi and his scheme, this book has helped us a bit in this thread, has it not? ;)
 
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No, nothing about Nic Cage in the book. Where did that come from???

Yes, that is interesting that maybe when they finally parted ways and cut all ties, that's when Michael went ahead and had another baby. Maybe he just knew that Lisa wouldn't ever do it.

That's okay with me, though. . .:) I love the little one! LOL!

But it's a little bit confusing. . . there was that one article posted by respect that said that Lisa was still talking and visiting Michael regularly during the time with Nic, but strictly as friends. So she must have known about Blanket. .. . Unless Michael kept it a secret from her and that's why she got so mad!!!! Oooooh, yah!
 
I don't have the book, someone else told me that he does mention Nic Cage in the book. I don't know if thats true
 
indranee said:
how long was she dating Nic before they got married?
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On and off for a couple of years, I think. I know that she broke up with that John guy and then met Nic quickly after that.

She really meant it when she sang 'I jump from one to the other' in her song, Sinking In.
 
Is Blanket mom really a surrogate, or someone he had a relationship with? I just wonder, he could have a relationship and totally keep it of the radar. Just a thought ... is it a reason why Lisa married Nic, moved on? She started bashing him in 2003 publicly, she might started that earlier but she wasn't on national TV before 2003. She done a lot of her interview because of her album,... so actually things might gone bad before that. It was in 2003 right, that's when MJ stated as a reply to her bashing him "wishing Lisa all the best in the world..".

I think their last good talk was around 1999-2000 where they kind of end their relationship.. when Lisa was actually deep in her relationship with John, then Nic. The actual last call should be the one after she divorced Nic... and that's it. They really gone part way.. he had his trial... and she didn't support him. I wonder if she didn't support him only publicly, cause of her album...too.. or she actually didn't support him at all.. no call .. That's mean Lisa, if that is the case, what broke them up must be bad.
 
She didn't support him (strongly) because she did not want to have anything to do with him. I think she just washed her hands of him. They went their separate ways and had not stayed friends. She was tired of always being asked about him and then being ridiculed for having married him, so she just jumped on the bandwagon and joined the bashers because then she wouldn't look stupid for marrying him. It's like she was saying 'oh, i realize now that he fooled me. he used me.' blah, blah, blah. Notice how Michael was never really asked about Lisa in the new millenium. If she was talked about, he was the one that brought her up, like in the PHM.

She is also always the one that let out the small details that she kept calling him. . . most notably that supposed last phone call sometime after the trial where he was very quiet and didn't speak much to her.
 
where did she say that? that she called him after the trial sometime and he was silent? I somehow thought that call was back in 2008 after she found out she was having the twins.
 
indranee said:
where did she say that? that she called him after the trial sometime and he was silent? I somehow thought that call was back in 2008 after she found out she was having the twins.
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well, that was the call that I am talking about.
 
elmari thanks, but I guess what I meant was when and where did she say she called him and he was silent etc? was it in an interview? I can't recall at all.
 
Yeah elmari, which interview was that.. want to look at it too.

I agree that she was the one letting out those small details info, while what Michael did was just announce that he doesn't want to response wishing all the best in the world to Lisa Mare... hahaha LoL. No doubt he doesn't want to have their argument publicly, but did he even try to talk to her privately... I think he kept quiet and decided that there's no use to try anymore.

I really hate the idea that at the end.. we all won't know the answer.. hahahhah. MJ you're success with your wish, you wish to kept it private and secret between you and LM. Lisa won't be able to tell or write a book, she had the twins, what ever she will said will be on record that she would do to hurt them.
 
I read the interview in our defunct Lisa and Michael thread. U guys don't remember it? Maybe someone can help. I guess I can go look for it at presleypride.com
 
Have you seen her photo at the airport earlier this month? I came across it somewhere in the forum... and link to her site... people said she looks said and biting her nail. : (
 
^^^^^^^ i haven't seen it CTU, but if you find it post it here ASAP lol
 
indranee said:
where did she say that? that she called him after the trial sometime and he was silent? I somehow thought that call was back in 2008 after she found out she was having the twins.
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to let him know that she was having the twins? If so.. wow
 
I tried to search for the picture too! lol CTU, do you remember what was the title of the thread?
 
Thanks swirl0. Here is the link where you can look at the thumbnails:

http://www.brunopress.nl/bin/Brunop...si=8E3C75DCFEBC4451B9EEC543E762EF&rnd=2268.24

Looks like Lisa is with Riley and her bf, Ryan Cabrera. Ben could be there, too, but I have no idea what he looks like. There is another teenage boy and girl with the three of them.

I'm assuming that they are going to London because KF said that Lisa is in London working on her new album. You can see Lisa with a passport also.

You can't really tell if she looks sad because she has these big sunglasses on, but she is not smiling in the pics.
 
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