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I agree with most of posts. LA Times have always been dubious, veiled haters. You will have bits of truth but with assumptions and tabloid nonsense. Truth is, there will always be vultures around Michael and those trying to demean him and make him sound flaky. The constant stories about his health etc has been going on for months now. People knew he was coming back on the music scene and when he announced his concerts it gained more momentum. Insidious propaganda. You will always have those who been pushed off the gravy train saying that Michael is flaky, spends all his money, not healthy enough, blah, blah. Everyone makes mistakes, you can trust supposedly professional people to do a job for you, but a lot of the time I think greed and opportunities get the better of them and there starts the problem. Egos and personality clashes. You will never not have that when dealing with large amounts of money in this business and Michael Jackson makes people a lot of money.


i soooooo agree with what you say.

i'm not pretending that selfless style business exists in this look-out-for-number-1 environment.

and i soooo agree with what you say about the press.

i'm afraid, too many people believe, at least, the tone of what the press says about Michael. and that's so wrong.
 
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no he doesn't owe us but he'snot doing it for free. he's doing it and there's a market for it and he stands to make a lot of money from it.

as for mixing biz w/ friends, that's always messy. just l ike family and biz....never works out too well.

at least this way he knows where he stands...not friends, this is business. like w/ the sheik of bahrain or whatever...he thought that stuff was between friends, not a business deal

this way, there's no confusion if it goes awry down the line
 
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Some of you don't understand American English and are misinforming yourselves due to translation, language, and grammar issues. In American English, the location of a comma in relation to the placement in a sentence can make a huge world of difference. Example: Someone here thought Mike was worth $2.3 billion dollars and put an emoticon with bug eyes. This indicates that he was misreading the article. The article was referring to the wealth of Barrack, not Mike. Usually, items in a sentence BETWEEN commas are separate, yet relevant, facts that provide the reader with a clearer picture of what is being communicated. Unfortunately, sometimes this can cause problems with those who have learned English, yet still don't understand its huge number of rules and exceptions. I don't blame anyone for that and I am quite impressed with anyone who takes time and makes effort to learn more than one language.

Case in point. Use your head. Think when reading. For example, you could ask yourself "Why would this article say Mike was worth $2.3 billion, and then go on to talk about how badly he needs to make money and wipe out a debt exceeding $200 million. The two facts do not make sense, and therefore as a reader looking for what the article is actually saying, you need to look at the sentence and be honest if you have trouble understanding the punctuation or what is being said, specifically.

Trust me, nowhere in this article does it state that Michael Jackson was ever worth 2.3 billion dollars. Sorry to disappoint anyone. But, it did say:

"We could have done 200 shows if he were willing to live in London for two years," Phillips said.

If Mike makes $1 million minimum per show, that would wipe out all of his debt. So, don't stress. Have faith, keep the faith, and show up for the show to enjoy yourself. 'Nuf said.
 
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Originally Posted by Irish Flower
I agree with most of posts. LA Times have always been dubious, veiled haters. You will have bits of truth but with assumptions and tabloid nonsense. Truth is, there will always be vultures around Michael and those trying to demean him and make him sound flaky. The constant stories about his health etc has been going on for months now. People knew he was coming back on the music scene and when he announced his concerts it gained more momentum. Insidious propaganda. You will always have those who been pushed off the gravy train saying that Michael is flaky, spends all his money, not healthy enough, blah, blah. Everyone makes mistakes, you can trust supposedly professional people to do a job for you, but a lot of the time I think greed and opportunities get the better of them and there starts the problem. Egos and personality clashes. You will never not have that when dealing with large amounts of money in this business and Michael Jackson makes people a lot of money.

great post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... I co-sign
 
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now looking back at some comments from Tohme on past press release on Michael.............I can see this LA times article is pieced together...they
have cut /paste and embellished some things...

there was also a past article on Barack by the local Santa Maria paper published when the reports came about the Neverland foreclosure... it is a cut/paste job..

I really doubt Tohmre nor Barack talked to LA Times.... in fact I can bet my right pinky that they did not...
 
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You guys. Do you understand English? Some of you are being misinformed due to translation issues. In English, where a comma is placed can make a world of difference. Example: Someone here thought Mike was worth 2.3 billion dollars due to misreading. The article was referring to the wealth of Barrack, not Mike. Otherwise, it would make for a rather stupid article if they said Mike who was worth 2.3 billion needs to wipe out his debt of 200 million." Does that make any sense? No. And that is NOT what the article stated.

"We could have done 200 shows if he were willing to live in London for two years," Phillips said.

'Nuf said.

no. see? people have different definitions of 'debt'. they think he's in debt cus he spends like they would not.

they don't just think this about Mike. they think that about anyone who spends like he does, and has a lot of money. they don't like to spend it , so they don't like if he spends it. of course that's not their call to make.

but they think that if he spends it faster than they say it's coming in, then they say that that is debt. they're wrong. it ain't debt if MJ can pay it off with something solid. and he has something solid. it's his right. so, it's not so hard to believe that those people reporting aren't smart enough to know that MJ is worth 2.3 billion or more, and they'd still say he's in debt. they want him to horde his money like they would horde theirs. that's what makes them worse at business than him.

get it out the way and spend it, before u spend it on something desperate. and ur really in trouble.

when u spend money, u make money. when u horde it, u lose it.

and that's just it. MJ knows he doesn't have to stay in london for 2 years. he ain't desperate for money as reporters would like for some to believe.

uhm...yeah...i know it's still hard for some to believe that lil MJ can have over a billion. but..uhm..he does.

the article at least accidently DID spill out some truth it might have not wanted to spill out. and that is, the catalogue is worth at LEAST a billion. and that's only part of what MJ has.
 
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THE ARTICLE YOU READ IN THE OTHER THREAD WAS JUST AN INTRO. BELOW IS THE FULL STORY.

PART ONE

Deep pockets behind Michael Jackson

09:56 AM PT, May 30 2009
This is a longer version of a story that will appear in The Times' Sunday (May 31) edition.




Others have tried to revive the onetime pop star's performing career. Tom Barrack is convinced he's the 'caretaker' to do it.


Tom Barrack, a Westside financier who made billions buying and selling distressed properties, flew to Las Vegas in March 2008 to check out a troubled asset. But his target was not a struggling hotel chair or failed bank.


It was Michael Jackson. The world's bestselling male pop artist was hunkered down with his three children in a dumpy housing compound in an older section of town. At 49, he was awash in nearly $400 million of debt and so frail that he greeted visitors in a wheelchair. The rich international friends who offered Jackson refuge after his 2005 acquittal on molestation charges had fallen away. His Santa Barbara ranch, Neverland, was about to be sold at public auction.


In Jackson, Barrack saw the sort of undervalued asset his private equity firm, Colony Capital, had succeeded with in the past. He wrote a check to save the ranch and placed a call to a friend, the conservative business magnate Philip Anschutz, whose holdings include the concert production firm AEG Live.


Fifteen months later, Jackson is living in a Bel-Air mansion and rehearsing for a series of 50 sold-out shows in London's O2 Arena. The intervention of two billionaires with more experience in the board room than the recording studio seems on course to accomplish what a parade of others over the last dozen years could not: getting Jackson back on stage.


His backers envision the shows at AEG's O2 as an audition for a career rebirth that could ultimately encompass a three-year world tour, a new album, movies, a Graceland-like museum, musical revues in Las Vegas and Macau, and even a "Thriller" casino. Such a rebound could wipe out Jackson's massive debt.


"You are talking about a guy who could make $500 million a year if he puts his mind to it," Barrack said recently. "There are very few individual artists who are multibillion-dollar businesses. And he is one."


Others have tried to resurrect Jackson's career, but previous attempts have failed, associates say, because of managerial chaos, backbiting within his inner circle and the singer's legendary flakiness.


Even as Jackson's deep-pocketed benefactors assemble an all-star team -- "High School Musical's" Kenny Ortega is directing the London concerts -- there are hints of discord. Last week, two different men identified themselves as the singer's manager and a month before, a respected accountant who had been handling Jackson's books was abruptly fired in a phone call from an assistant.


But his backers downplay the problems. "He is very focused. He is not going to let anybody down. Not himself. Not his fans. Not his family," said Frank DiLeo, his current manager and a friend of three decades.
Jackson needs a comeback to reverse the damage done by years of excessive spending and little work. He has not toured since 1997 or released a new album since 2001, but has continued to live like a megastar.


THE MICHAEL JACKSON 'PARADOX'


To finance his opulent lifestyle, he borrowed heavily against his three main assets -- his ranch, his music catalog and a second catalog that includes the music of the Beatles that he co-owns with Sony Corp. By the time of his 2005 criminal trial, he was nearly $300 million in debt and, according to testimony, spending $30 million more annually than he was taking in.


Compounding his money difficulties are a revolving door of litigious advisors and hangers on. Jackson has run through 11 managers since 1990, according to DiLeo.


At least 19 people -- financial advisors, managers, lawyers, a pornography producer and even a Bahraini sheik -- have taken Jackson to court for allegedly failing to pay bills or backing out of deals. He settled many of the suits. Currently, he is facing civil claims by a former publicist, a concert promoter and the writer-director of his "Thriller" video, John Landis.
John Branca, an entertainment lawyer who represented Jackson for more than 20 years, blamed the singer's financial straits partly on his past habit of surrounding himself with "yes men." Branca advised Jackson to buy half of the Beatles catalog in 1985 for $47.5 million. The catalog is now estimated to be worth billions and the purchase is considered his smartest business decision.


"The paradox is that Michael is one of the brightest and most talented people I've ever known. At the same time, he has made some of the worst choices in advisors in the history of music," said Branca, who represents Santana, Nickelback and Aerosmith, among others. He said he finally split with the singer because Jackson invited into his inner circle "people who really didn't have his best interests at heart."






The singer's financial predicament reached a crisis point in March 2008 when he defaulted on a $24.5-million loan and Neverland went into foreclosure. Jackson's brother Jermaine enlisted the help of Dr. Tohme Tohme, an orthopedic surgeon-turned-businessman who had previously worked with Colony Capital.


Tohme reached out to Barrack, who said he was initially reluctant to get involved because Jackson had already sought advice from fellow billionaire Ron Burkle, an old friend.


"I said, 'My God, if Ron can't figure it out, I can't figure it out,' " Barrack said.


But he was drawn to the deal. He owns a ranch five miles from Neverland, and his sons were among local children Jackson invited over for field days at the ranch. The financier retains close ties to the developer who built Neverland and is friendly with Wesley Edens, the chairman of the property's debt-holder, Fortress Investment Group.


With the auction of Jackson's home and possessions just days away, Barrack made the singer a proposition.


"I sat down with him and said, 'Look . . . we can buy the note and restructure your financial empire,' " Barrack said. But, he told him, "what you need is a new caretaker. A new podium. A new engine."


Tohme, who acted as Jackson's manager until recently, recalled the urgency of the situation. "If he didn't move fast, he would have lost the ranch," Tohme said. "That would have been humiliating for Michael."


Jackson and Barrack reached an agreement within seven days. Colony paid $22.5 million and Neverland averted foreclosure.

FROM NEVERLAND TO LONDON


Jackson has not spoken publicly since a March news conference and his representatives declined to make him available for an interview.


Barrack said his position outside the music industry seemed to endear him to Jackson. "He looks at me like 'the suit.' I have credibility because I don't live in that world. I'm not interested in hanging around him. I'm not interested in girls. I'm not interested in boys. I'm not interested in drugs," Barrack said.


After buying Neverland, Barrack called his friend Anschutz. Barrack said the prospect of helping Jackson, given his recent criminal case, gave Anschutz, a devout Christian, pause. (Anschutz declined to be interviewed.)


Barrack had spent significant time with Jackson and praised him as "a genius" and devoted father. Ultimately, Anschutz agreed to put Jackson in touch with Randy Phillips, the CEO of his concert subsidiary.


As the head of AEG Live, Phillips oversees a division that grossed more than $1 billion last year and has negotiated such lucrative bookings asCeline Dion's four-year, $400-million run in Las Vegas and Prince's 21 sold-out dates at the O2 Arena in 2007.


Phillips had his eye on Jackson for some time. In 2007, Phillips approached the singer with a deal for a comeback, but Jackson, who was working with different advisors, turned him down. "He wasn't ready," Phillips recalled.


This time, however, Jackson was receptive. He needed the money, and he has a second, more personal reason: His children -- sons Prince Michael, 7, and Michael Joseph Jackson Jr., 12, and daughter Paris Michael Katherine, 11 -- have never seen him perform live.


"They are old enough to appreciate and understand what I do and I am still young enough to do it," Phillips quoted Jackson as saying.


Jackson stands to earn $50 million for the O2 shows, "This Is It" -- $1

million per performance not including revenue from merchandise sales and broadcast rights. Jackson is considering options including pay-per-view and a feature film. But the real money would kick in after his final curtain call in London.
 
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The entire article wouldn't fit in one post, so here is...

PART TWO


A PROPOSED TOUR



AEG has proposed a three-year tour starting in Europe, then traveling to Asia and finally returning to the United States. Although Jackson has only committed to the O2 engagement thus far, Phillips estimates ticket sales for the global concerts would exceed $450 million.


"One would hope he would end up netting around 50% of that," Phillips said.


Barrack, the man who set Jackson's comeback in motion, has seen his net worth drop with the financial crisis of the last year. Forbes estimated his wealth at $2.3 billion around the time he met Jackson, but he is now merely a multimillionaire. He said that the economic downturn makes

Jackson even more attractive as an investment because his value has been overlooked: In times like this, he said, "finding little pieces of information that others don't have" is more important than ever.


His company isn't exposed to any risk by working with Jackson. All the money Colony has put up is backed by the value of Neverland and related assets, he said. If Jackson regains firm financial footing, Barrack's company could be a partner in future deals. "When he looks back and says, 'Who took the risk? Who was there?' I mean, he gets it. So that's my hope," Barrack said.


It all depends on what happens July 13 when the lights go down in the O2 Arena. Doubts about Jackson's reliability are widespread because of his long concert hiatus. Those concerns were heightened earlier this month when the show's opening night was pushed back five days. Phillips and Ortega, the director, blamed production problems and said Jackson was ready to perform.


Fans demonstrated their faith in Jackson months ago when they snapped up 750,000 tickets for shows through March 2010 in less than four hours. "We could have done 200 shows if he were willing to live in London for two years," Phillips said.


Amid the high stakes, Phillips has taken a hands-on approach more reminiscent of his early days as a talent manager for acts including Guns N' Roses and Lionel Richie than as the company's chief executive.

A REPUTATION, A DO-OR-DIE MOMENT


In addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates. In a video news conference earlier this month, Phillips acknowledged that the company has only been able to insure 23 of the 50 "This Is It" performances."In this business, if you don't take risks, you don't achieve greatness," Phillips said.


Phillips said he speaks with Jackson regularly and has closely monitored rehearsals in a Burbank soundstage. In response to questions about his physical condition, especially in light of his previous addiction to prescription painkillers, Phillips said that Jackson passed a rigorous medical examination. Associates also say he adheres to a strict vegetarian diet and works out with a personal trainer.


But the problems that have bedeviled Jackson in the past -- infighting, disorganization and questionable advisors -- persist.
In an interview last week, Tohme identified himself as the singer's "manager, spokesman, everything" and spoke about the benefits of dealing with business titans Barrack and Anschutz rather than their "sleazy" predecessors. "Michael Jackson is an institution. He needs to be run like an institution," Tohme said.


The next day, however, longtime Jackson associate DiLeo claimed he was Jackson's manager and said Tohme had been fired a month and a half earlier. Tohme denied being fired but declined further comment.


In April, Jackson fired the accounting firm, Cannon & Co., that had worked for him for a year, according to an accountant who worked on his finances. Jeff Cannon of Cannon & Co. said he received a phone call from an assistant of Jackson who said the singer no longer required his services.


Then there is Arfaq Hussain. A British man who met Jackson in the late 1990s, Hussain designed clothing for the performer -- including an air-conditioned jacket, a pair of self-adjusting, rhodium-plated shoes and the "Crystal Miracle," a jacket covered with 275,000 rock crystals -- and tried to launch a business selling $75,000 bottles of perfume by trading on Jackson's name.


In 2002, Hussain was jailed for four months in Britain for charges related to business fraud. Hussain and Jackson recently became reacquainted and the singer hired him as an assistant, DiLeo said.


The woman who was Jackson's public face during his criminal trial, former manager and spokeswoman Raymone Bain, is pressing a federal breach of contract suit against the singer. Bain claims that Jackson cheated her out of her 10% cut of several business deals, including the AEG concerts. Bain is to ask a judge in Washington, D.C., next month to seize the portion she alleges is hers, citing Jackson's history of evading creditors.


In his corner office high above Century City, Barrack is sanguine about reports of disharmony.


"You have the same thousand parasites that start to float back in and take advantage of the situation and that has happened a little at the edges," he said. But, he added, he had confidence in AEG's ability to keep Jackson focused.


The concerts, Phillips acknowledged, are a do-or-die moment for Jackson.
"If it doesn't happen, it would be a major problem for him career-wise in a way that it hasn't been in the past," he said.

--Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan
 
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i don't really care how long the article is. when you say desparaging things in three paragraphs, that wipes out the meaning of the rest of your paragraphs.
 
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now looking back at some comments from Tohme on past press release on Michael.............I can see this LA times article is pieced together...they
have cut /paste and embellished some things...

there was also a past article on Barack by the local Santa Maria paper published when the reports came about the Neverland foreclosure... it is a cut/paste job..

I really doubt Tohmre nor Barack talked to LA Times.... in fact I can bet my right pinky that they did not...

i wouldnt be surprised. this how they normally work. claiming interview when its just a cut and past from many comments over a certain amount of time.

i think there were some court docs from aveeno or someone else if im mistaken re the old BOA loan and he owed less or around 100 mill now. doesnt matter how rich u are ppl still have debt. u dont get rich by leaving your money around u invest and that means reducing access to it.ppl say theres also tax benifits ect from taking loans no idea if thats true
 
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its copy and paste from past quotes and stories... and this update should just be put in the same post as the original article..
 
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What an positive article......

This time, however, Jackson was receptive. He needed the money
Yeah sure he needs the money, he owns 50% of Sony ATV catalogue that's worth billions and they still claim he needs the money. Come on he isn't broke.

This is a longer version of a story that will appear in The Times' Sunday (May 31) edition.
This means it's just an tabloid article, since when tabloid articles are allowed here in GD?
 
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In addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates.

His track record of "missed performances and canceled dates" is no worse than any other mainstream artist, and better than many. Other than the two Millennium concerts, he rarely missed a scheduled performance during his tours and the ones that he did reschedule or cancel were generally for very understandable reasons...


- April 2003: Cancels performance and charity speech in Austria due to security concerns (it was immediately after the wars began between USA, Iraq, and other countries)

- October 1999: Cancels two 'Millennium' performances (Hawaii and Australia) with a public reason that they would interfere with his much delayed production and finalization of Invincible; however, the cancellations may have also been caused by a conflict with the promoter, Marcel Avram, who owned the rights to these and other Jackson concerts in the late-90s--leading to a long legal battle.

- June 1999: Cancels concert because Prince was very ill. In fact, much of 1999 was impacted by Prince's health and this may have also been an unspoken reason for the cancellation of the millennium dates.

- August 1996: Reschedules Belgium concert due to Princess Diana's death; dedicates next two shows to her.

- 1996: Postponed initially planned HIStory concert performances in Germany out of protest due to their unreasonably high taxes for foreign performers. He did tour Germany in 1997.

- 1993: Concerts canceled due to the criminal investigation and all that went with it.
 
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i wouldnt be surprised. this how they normally work. claiming interview when its just a cut and past from many comments over a certain amount of time.

i think there were some court docs from aveeno or someone else if im mistaken re the old BOA loan and he owed less or around 100 mill now. doesnt matter how rich u are ppl still have debt. u dont get rich by leaving your money around u invest and that means reducing access to it.ppl say theres also tax benifits ect from taking loans no idea if thats true

yeah and there are 3 entities of Michael Jackson... the individual, the various businesses, and the trust with Sony...so NO one knows how much money he really has... but I know from all these stories and lawsuits....
he ain't broke...

this story is looking like the type of article Randy T does..........he gets tidbits from fired employees and then strings it together with tabloid crap..
and copy/paste old crap....

the media is trying to come up with an excuse as to why Michael with no promo or "supposed" big record deal, or big sponsorship.............
sold out 50 shows in historic fashion...that is what this all boils down to...

if these reporters did do a direct interview with Barack and Phillips... there would be more details and enlightenment ....and how convenienent it was that they got that info but could not get a hold of Michael's rep to comment on this story.............

its a trick and its :bs
 
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Track record of missed appointments and cancelled concerts?
Madonna
Britney
Amy Winehouse
Hip-hop stars
Other celebrities


All these people have a track record of missed concerts and cancelled appointments. Infact MJ fairs best of all of the artists because he completed the Victory tour, Bad tour, Dangerous tour first leg, History tour, 1999 charity concerts, 30th anniversary.

So what missed concerts are these fool talking about?
The only concerts that got cancelled is when the media and Chandler connived to try and run him down.


:flowers: Great post as always... I didn't read the full article but I did notice and comment on the 'track record' comment in the other thread... It's just another misconception that the media has.

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In addition to the more than $20 million AEG is paying to produce the shows, the company is putting its reputation on the line for a performer with a track record of missed performances and canceled dates.

His track record of "missed performances and canceled dates" is no worse than any other mainstream artist, and better than many. Other than the two Millennium concerts, he rarely missed a scheduled performance during his tours and the ones that he did reschedule or cancel were generally for very understandable reasons...

- April 2003: Cancels performance and charity speech in Austria due to security concerns (it was immediately after the wars began between USA, Iraq, and other countries)

- October 1999: Cancels two 'Millennium' performances (Hawaii and Australia) with a public reason that they would interfere with his much delayed production and finalization of Invincible; however, the cancellations may have also been caused by a conflict with the promoter, Marcel Avram, who owned the rights to these and other Jackson concerts in the late-90s--leading to a long legal battle.

- June 1999: Cancels concert because Prince was very ill. In fact, much of 1999 was impacted by Prince's health and this may have also been an unspoken reason for the cancellation of the millennium dates.

- August 1996: Reschedules Belgium concert due to Princess Diana's death; dedicates next two shows to her.

- 1996: Postpones initially planned HIStory concert performances in Germany out of protest due to their unreasonably high taxes for foreign performers. He did tour Germany in 1997.

- 1995: Cancels HBO "One Night Only" special after collapsing on stage during rehearsals in what could have been a fatal incident. "His blood pressure had dropped to 70 over 40; a typical healthy reading would be 120 over 80...dehydration and a plunge in blood pressure left him mumbling and semiconscious." Jackson spent days under "critical care, monitoring and treatment for inflammation of the stomach, dehydration, gastroenteritis and heart, kidney and liver irregularities caused by an electrolyte imbalance."

- 1993: Concerts canceled due to the criminal investigation and all that went with it.
 
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oh lord. here it goes

:lol: Yep!

Anyway, these kind of write-ups are bound to come out. I suspect there are grains of truth in them along with legitimate quotes mixed in with heaping spoons of BS to muddle things up. There are some things that are concerning but whatever. Time always tells.

In any case, I'm sooooo glad those tix for the concerts went on sale right after it was announced. Why? Because it's crap like this that could turn a person off or negatively influence them not to buy a ticket to the shows...at least casual fans. Also, it could possibly keep the best ppl who are interested in working with Michael and making deals with him hesitant and unwilling. I'm sure if the media had their way they would have LOVED to have had advance notice about these concerts being finalized so they could flood the market with crap. Becuz they lacked enuf time to throw their BS together, the tix sold in record amounts in record time. And NOW they are playing catch-up. Too late. People bought their tix and they are excited...even if they have to wait til March 2010.

It's almost like they want ppl to worry and doubt Michael and run back to the box office demanding refunds for shows unlikely to happen or something. ugh! They would love that, but they ain't gonna get it. :aggressive: I remember during the trial when all sorts of crap was coming out and MJ released a message asking ppl to wait for the truth and that he wouldn't let us down. He didn't do it then, and I trust that he wouldn't let anyone down now with this. And Tookie says so, too (if that quote from him was legit). :girl_dance: :p
 
OMG! The LA Times is about to put this poorly written article into print?! LOL

I just read the full version and it is absolutely terrible work! Both Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan should be chewed out by their boss! And their boss should be chewed out by their boss as well for giving these two the go-ahead. LOL

The quotes are jumping around all over the place. I couldn't tell which paragraph really belongs with which. The writeup has no flow whatsoever! Everything was scrambled.

Rather than Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan worrying about Michael Jackson's career, they need to learn how to write. Their article flows like something that was done by amateurs.

OMG! Are they really on the LA Times' payroll? They get to write a piece of junk like this and get paid?! Did anyone proofread it? Is this really going to print?!

:lol: :rofl:
 
OMG! The LA Times is about to put this poorly written article into print?! LOL

I just read the full version and it is absolutely terrible work! Both Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan should be chewed out by their boss! And their boss should be chewed out by their boss as well for giving these two the go-ahead. LOL

The quotes are jumping around all over the place. I couldn't tell which paragraph really belongs with which. The writeup has no flow whatsoever! Everything was scrambled.

Rather than Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan worrying about Michael Jackson's career, they need to learn how to write. Their article flows like something that was done by amateurs.

OMG! Are they really on the LA Times' payroll? They get to write a piece of junk like this and get paid?! Did anyone proofread it? Is this really going to print?!

:lol: :rofl:

Welcome to the age of writing any damn thing just to get money, lol.
 
oh stop fighting in here geez - closed for cleaning!

Ok, yeah I was too tired tonight to go through them all so I just pretty much deleted the last two pages so start again and play nice about it :yes:
 
OMG! The LA Times is about to put this poorly written article into print?! LOL

I just read the full version and it is absolutely terrible work! Both Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan should be chewed out by their boss! And their boss should be chewed out by their boss as well for giving these two the go-ahead. LOL

The quotes are jumping around all over the place. I couldn't tell which paragraph really belongs with which. The writeup has no flow whatsoever! Everything was scrambled.

Rather than Chris Lee and Harriet Ryan worrying about Michael Jackson's career, they need to learn how to write. Their article flows like something that was done by amateurs.

OMG! Are they really on the LA Times' payroll? They get to write a piece of junk like this and get paid?! Did anyone proofread it? Is this really going to print?!

:lol: :rofl:

it's the LA times. it's up to their standard. lol. that's why they're losing money. so do they know anything about business? No.
 
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:flowers: Great post as always... I didn't read the full article but I did notice and comment on the 'track record' comment in the other thread... It's just another misconception that the media has.

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His track record of "missed performances and canceled dates" is no worse than any other mainstream artist, and better than many. Other than the two Millennium concerts, he rarely missed a scheduled performance during his tours and the ones that he did reschedule or cancel were generally for very understandable reasons...

- April 2003: Cancels performance and charity speech in Austria due to security concerns (it was immediately after the wars began between USA, Iraq, and other countries)

- October 1999: Cancels two 'Millennium' performances (Hawaii and Australia) with a public reason that they would interfere with his much delayed production and finalization of Invincible; however, the cancellations may have also been caused by a conflict with the promoter, Marcel Avram, who owned the rights to these and other Jackson concerts in the late-90s--leading to a long legal battle.

- June 1999: Cancels concert because Prince was very ill. In fact, much of 1999 was impacted by Prince's health and this may have also been an unspoken reason for the cancellation of the millennium dates.

- August 1996: Reschedules Belgium concert due to Princess Diana's death; dedicates next two shows to her.

- 1996: Postpones initially planned HIStory concert performances in Germany out of protest due to their unreasonably high taxes for foreign performers. He did tour Germany in 1997.

- 1995: Cancels HBO "One Night Only" special after collapsing on stage during rehearsals in what could have been a fatal incident. "His blood pressure had dropped to 70 over 40; a typical healthy reading would be 120 over 80...dehydration and a plunge in blood pressure left him mumbling and semiconscious." Jackson spent days under "critical care, monitoring and treatment for inflammation of the stomach, dehydration, gastroenteritis and heart, kidney and liver irregularities caused by an electrolyte imbalance."

- 1993: Concerts canceled due to the criminal investigation and all that went with it.

thanks dude. u know what's up.
 
let's just say this can be a very good thing for mj so long as people's feelings don't get hurt

i've never been a fan of doing biz w/ friends, especially not something like this. so at least here everyone knows where they stand
 
lol. well..hbo weren't his friends.

so..unforseen circumstances will always protect him.:)
 
he had a valid reason and hbo was a contract for one show. he had a contract w/ the directors of the history tour. it's different! they had him for one show, not for 50
 
This article had some good information, but more inconsistencies then anything. I wouldn't call it reliable by no means. I did enjoy hearing the parts about the future plans of a 3 year global tour, an album, 3D movies, and all that. Hopefully Mike takes the tour around the world and cashes in big time. He deserves a payday like no other celebrity in history!
 
he had a valid reason and hbo was a contract for one show. he had a contract w/ the directors of the history tour. it's different! they had him for one show, not for 50


let me ask something we both, i'm sure can agree on. if he gets sick, if an unforseen circumstance comes up, whether it be one show or fifty, should we not give him a break on that? should they? in other words, shouldn't it be remembered that he is human? and, as in Tom V87's post. those are all a ton of unforseen circumstances. should MJ not be excused if a long list, similar to what's in Tom V87's post, were to come up? all of those circumstances are legitimate.

i believe MJ has made room for some things most people take for granted, when it comes to contracts. certainly, most artists in the music industry. there's got to be a reason why he's been around so long.

i believe the media has spoken for people, as many have said here, and has painted him as the flake that he is not.:)

and if he truly didn't want to do this, he wouldn't. he knows his limits. so i don't believe he'll put himself in a place where he will be forced into a situation he doesn't want. that's why he waited 12 years. he wanted to raise his kids. he was not gunna let any conract get in the way of that.
 
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Sorry if this has been posted, but I didn't want to go back and read through the whole thread lol... I actually get this news paper, and if there's anything that makes me ticked off about the article more than anything, it's the fact that this was on the front page. And, of course, back when he announced the O2 dates, you had to go digging through the paper to find the article on it.
 
Sorry if this has been posted, but I didn't want to go back and read through the whole thread lol... I actually get this news paper, and if there's anything that makes me ticked off about the article more than anything, it's the fact that this was on the front page. And, of course, back when he announced the O2 dates, you had to go digging through the paper to find the article on it.


yeah. not surprised. that pisses me off. what date was it? i wanna find it online.



edit. nvrmind. i found it. it was today's paper. predictable and pathetic Los angeles times.
 
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