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xthunderx2 said:
IMHO.I think the point that Moonstreet is trying to make is that people are getting offended by other peoples post which causes attitude..If you know that you are NOT one of those NEW or OLD members who is causing havic hear at MJJC then you have no reason to get offended....those who are causing the trouble with their bad attitudes definitely KNOW who they are........I can sit back and read posts in threads and pick pick out who the trouble makers are....They are the ones who ALWAYS have to be right....they are the ones who pick fights with just about everyone else.....So maybe we should ALL analyze what it is we are going to post before we post and ask ourselves....If I write that will I be offending others...If you answer yes to yourself then maybe you should not post it.......Remember being rude to others and always having to be right are not good qualities.....Thats all.
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Maybe everyone is still too raw and very sensitive, and the least little thing causes upset, new members have always been welcomed, I ignore the people who nit pick and want to be argumentative. Gary has his work cut out and people only need to respect the rules and respectful tone we have always had.

Don't make life harder for him. This is a time to unite not bicker. It is only a few people who have caused unrest, if someone has a go just ignore them.
 
just a question for everyone

When you visit you new boyfriends /girlfriends family for the first time do you trash their home, talk bad about them, and generally disrupt their family life???

well this is Garys house, the mods are his family members and you are just a guest. Treat them with respect and obey their rules and you will be welcome and allowed to stay, otherwise you will be removed....simples :)
 
I understand what you say, but need to consider because not everyone who came here after June 25, fans were after that date or not love Michael, I for example was born in 1958 and met with 5 year old, and I can never forget, not me condiero fan, pq themselves the hard work that has a fan, but I always loved Michael, he's always been my example of life for my dignity and my children, I learned everything I know with him, he was my world pink I showed promise and today I am in the dark because it seems that evil has won the right, but est or fighting for the turnaround.
I know you have many fans of the time, but these will soon though
But fans who knew Micahel now and ask for explanations, I think we help them, teach them, because the legacy of Micahel crecer needs and those fans have good teaching, they also grew up taking the legacy of Michael
 
You are right with what you are saying moonstreet, i think everyone has just feelin sad & confused bout mjs death and are still feeling the pian from june 25 :(. I know i still am and it will take a while for all of us to i guess to feel normal again. We all need each other now than ever b4! Michael would want us to stand togther as one and still give his message of love to the world. IT IS NOW UP TO US TO MAKE THAT CHANGE!
 
izilda said:
I understand what you say, but need to consider because not everyone who came here after June 25, fans were after that date or not love Michael, I for example was born in 1958 and met with 5 year old, and I can never forget, not me condiero fan, pq themselves the hard work that has a fan, but I always loved Michael, he's always been my example of life for my dignity and my children, I learned everything I know with him, he was my world pink I showed promise and today I am in the dark because it seems that evil has won the right, but est or fighting for the turnaround.
I know you have many fans of the time, but these will soon though
But fans who knew Micahel now and ask for explanations, I think we help them, teach them, because the legacy of Micahel crecer needs and those fans have good teaching, they also grew up taking the legacy of Michael
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Yeah lots of people who joined here after Jun 25th were always fans of Michael. Moonstreet just means some people new to this place that were causing trouble but yes we all need to help each other.
 
I'm just a MJNO refugee. I consider myself new to MJJC but not to MJ forums in general.

I was amazed at this site's structure. It was so organized here. Yes it was after MJ's death and I was looking for solace and this seemed like the right place to join. I had been an idle MJ forum-fan ever since after the trial and MJNO's closing. That doesn't mean I'm less of a fan if I joined this particular board post June 25th.

many times I don't feel welcome here but I still keep coming back because of all the great work the moderators and Admin have done to keep this place in tip top condition.

But yeah not a good time to be a newbie, although I've met some super nice senior members here and I hope I continue to. I've learned that some people bite while others give you lots of hugs and kisses and I just cling to that instead and I feel alright in the end. I've also learned not to post after having a bad day lol.


Patience is all it is.
 
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Wow...well, unfortunately I only discovered MJJC after Michael's death, so I guess I consider myself a "new member", but in the last few months since I've joined even I have noticed a change in this place.

I stopped going into the News & Happenings forum for a few straight weeks because all I encountered was arguing, speculating and disrespect. I felt alienated as a fan because it felt like I couldn't join a conversation in which I didn't have to argue or defend myself.

At one point I was feeling so disillusioned by the whole thing, I made a thread asking why there needed to be so much negativity and disrespect when discussing aspects of MJ's life. A lot of people interpreted my view as one that didn't allow any room for being upset or emotional about the things that have been done to Michael in his lifetime, or met me with comments like "well what do you expect, this is a place to talk about how we feel!"

That last part is true...but we can be angry, emotional, hurt, devastated - whatever - WITHOUT disrupting the atmosphere of love and respect that needs to be here.
In the wake of Michael's passing, those two things are more important than ever.

This place is like a haven for me, and I really respect the people who keep it going. Especially Gaz. That's why it disheartens me to hear about members disrespecting them directly.

EDIT: just read the post above mine. Wow, very well said.
"i think we all have to have the courage to understand the loss of control...and the need to fight for some semblance of control in our lives...and that i don't think that fans mean to be disrespectful to each other and the highers up, but it's going to be chaos for a while. after all..we can't bring him back. and that hurts. and we can't help but feel that the media is laughing."

This is very true. But at the same time, I'd like to believe that it's possible to take a deep breath, have some self-control and try to keep it respectful. I've seen some posters saying things were just plain unnecessary and thoughtless. All it takes is an extra minute to read over what you've written and consider whether it might hurt someone and whether or not it's constructive.
Chaos can only take over if we let it.
 
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vncwilliam said:
i think we all have to have the courage to understand the loss of control...and the need to fight for some semblance of control in our lives...and that i don't think that fans mean to be disrespectful to each other and the highers up, but it's going to be chaos for a while. after all..we can't bring him back. and that hurts. and we can't help but feel that the media is laughing.

having said that, i hope and pray that recovery will come..some way...somehow. that's just me, speaking in all honesty. after all, if the events of June 25 were enough to make people commit suicide, and we watched as haters had no sympathy for those who committed suicide, then those of us who are left alive, have wayyy too much to deal with.
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This is true.

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Trish said:
I think what happened is that there were a few overzealous new members that started to dictate the flow of discussion - to the point that older members didn't want to participate anymore. Can you imagine if you were here through the trial of 2003-2005 and actually sat in court, or was allowed press passes, or studied the case extensively and then a new member comes around now and demands that you show proof of what you speak of? And then when you show proof you are told that "I don't believe that to be the case..." Or "Give me a link to that... Prove what you say ... Don't accuse this person or that person... You don't know what happened to Michael... Don't accuse AEG" The list goes on and on. Some of the newbies didn't understand that it was okay for members to go through the motion and point fingers because it was a way of healing. But many folks got shut down because of it.

I've seen that happen time and time again on here and the a lot older members started feeling disrespected and hurt and they left this place.

I think some respect was lost for MJJC and the membership after Michael's death. The rules were not followed and some of the newer members caused a lot of disruption. Many were banned! It could have just been because of anger/frustration... some could have just been trouble makers. Nevertheless, many felt pushed out of their home.
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Yup. I totally relate to this. I joined MJJF (now MJJC) BEFORE the trial. I was incredibly active during the trial. Some of you remember, and some do not really know? No matter, except for the current lack of respect for my, and others' history in the "MJ world," and my own history as an "investigative OP Ed author." I post here very little now, sorry to say. The flak is just not worth it. I put myself on the line, for Michael. I really, truly did, at great risk. I did not reveal my name on the board during the trial, (still won't and do not post it, please) and there was a moment of humor for me, when someone started a thread saying, "Some professor is telling the TRUTH on German TV!" Yup, that was me. I risked a lot, and spoke to over a million people about what I'd learned. That interview was broadcast throughout Europe. I got discouraged, lately, and I really did try but, sorry, there were foks, mostly newbies . . . . who treated me like DIRT with NO respect for what I'd already given and continue to give and the knowledge that I have. Before (and since?) my resignation as staff, I've felt that, incredibly, my worst adversaries are not those responsible for Michael's death, but fans, themselves! That is SO wrong. . . on many levels.

Reality check. I resigned as senior staff. Do you know WHY? In part, of course, was so I could devote time to my own projects. And, in part, due to lack of respect from . .well, yeah. . some "newbies," who were rude, unnecessarily challenging, and so on. Life is just too short, and I'm admin on another board, and finally decided to triage it and focus on THAT. The loss is for those on THIS board, of what I could have offered, and the CAUSE is mostly those who prattle on and on and hijack threads, with absolutely NO idea of what they are doing or saying. I don't "hate" those people. I just decided I didn't have time for it.

Hope you guys understand, and I must say, here, thanks! to those fans who put up the Support Board. The support, continues.

Be POSITIVE, and kind, or please leave others in peace? What else can I say?

Actually, one more thing? Thank you Gaz, for the purple badge. I EARNED it, and others can earn it, too, in time. It's not divisive. . it's a matter of RESPECT.

Vic
 
littlesparrow said:
This is very true. But at the same time, I'd like to believe that it's possible to take a deep breath, have some self-control and try to keep it respectful. I've seen some posters saying things were just plain unnecessary and thoughtless. All it takes is an extra minute to read over what you've written and consider whether it might hurt someone and whether or not it's constructive.
Chaos can only take over if we let it.
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Well said.
 
my post was getting alot longer than that, and i started to feel i was rambling...but..now that we have discovered that there are other fans out there, via the intenet, hopefully some of the loneliness will be conquered, and, with that, some semblance of peace and support, even though things can never be the same again.
 
Trish said:
I'd like to throw in my couple of cents!

No forum or fanclub or any community can survive without new members. I want each and every new member to know that this is their home now and that all new members are loved and will be supported no matter what. One day soon, the newbies will be old members and supporting the new members as well.

It's the circle of life. :)

I think what happened is that there were a few overzealous new members that started to dictate the flow of discussion - to the point that older members didn't want to participate anymore. Can you imagine if you were here through the trial of 2003-2005 and actually sat in court, or was allowed press passes, or studied the case extensively and then a new member comes around now and demands that you show proof of what you speak of? And then when you show proof you are told that "I don't believe that to be the case..." Or "Give me a link to that... Prove what you say ... Don't accuse this person or that person... You don't know what happened to Michael... Don't accuse AEG" The list goes on and on. Some of the newbies didn't understand that it was okay for members to go through the motion and point fingers because it was a way of healing. But many folks got shut down because of it.

I've seen that happen time and time again on here and the a lot older members started feeling disrespected and hurt and they left this place.

I think some respect was lost for MJJC and the membership after Michael's death. The rules were not followed and some of the newer members caused a lot of disruption. Many were banned! It could have just been because of anger/frustration... some could have just been trouble makers. Nevertheless, many felt pushed out of their home.

So here we are. All of us are lost and feeling sad and depressed. What do we do?

1st thing? Respect the forum. If you love it here, respect the rules of discussion. If you do not like it here, leave. It is that simple. Respect each others opinion. If you don't agree with it, challenge it but don't brow beat another member into submission.

We have to act like family!! Even if we have a crazy uncle or silly aunt we still love them, right? :lol: We need to accept ALL! Accept one another and we gotta stop fighting. We may not agree with one another but we do agree that we love Michael and we love this place. Before we lose this, LOVE it and respect it.

Tis all...
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well said trish!!!! :agree:
 
vncwilliam said:
my post was getting alot longer than that, and i started to feel i was rambling...but..now that we have discovered that there are other fans out there, via the intenet, hopefully some of the loneliness will be conquered, and, with that, some semblance of peace and support, even though things can never be the same again.
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:cry: oh I know so much how you feel. I feel so empty inside. My life is not what it used to be. Some days I fantasize about being 16 again and starting over at at MJJF and having my friend back. :(
 
Victoria83 said:
Yup. I totally relate to this. I joined MJJF (now MJJC) BEFORE the trial. I was incredibly active during the trial. Some of you remember, and some do not really know? No matter, except for the current lack of respect for my, and others' history in the "MJ world," and my own history as an "investigative OP Ed author." I post here very little now, sorry to say. The flak is just not worth it. I put myself on the line, for Michael. I really, truly did, at great risk. I did not reveal my name on the board during the trial, (still won't and do not post it, please) and there was a moment of humor for me, when someone started a thread saying, "Some professor is telling the TRUTH on German TV!" Yup, that was me. I risked a lot, and spoke to over a million people about what I'd learned. That interview was broadcast throughout Europe. I got discouraged, lately, and I really did try but, sorry, there were foks, mostly newbies . . . . who treated me like DIRT with NO respect for what I'd already given and continue to give and the knowledge that I have. Before (and since?) my resignation as staff, I've felt that, incredibly, my worst adversaries are not those responsible for Michael's death, but fans, themselves! That is SO wrong. . . on many levels.

Reality check. I resigned as senior staff. Do you know WHY? In part, of course, was so I could devote time to my own projects. And, in part, due to lack of respect from . .well, yeah. . some "newbies," who were rude, unnecessarily challenging, and so on. Life is just too short, and I'm admin on another board, and finally decided to triage it and focus on THAT. The loss is for those on THIS board, of what I could have offered, and the CAUSE is mostly those who prattle on and on and hijack threads, with absolutely NO idea of what they are doing or saying. I don't "hate" those people. I just decided I didn't have time for it.

Hope you guys understand, and I must say, here, thanks! to those fans who put up the Support Board. The support, continues.

Be POSITIVE, and kind, or please leave others in peace? What else can I say?

Actually, one more thing? Thank you Gaz, for the purple badge. I EARNED it, and others can earn it, too, in time. It's not divisive. . it's a matter of RESPECT.

Vic
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What a story.
I have a lot of respect for you for this, Victoria.

I wasn't around back then, but I certainly appreciate all you and the other staff and longtime members have done.

What you bolded about your adversaries being fans themselves is what scares me. I've seen it in action and it's so frustrating. I know it's been said a million times, over and over again, but it's just so the opposite of what MJ was all about.
 
When I do join a fan board, I always remain on my best behavior and follow the rules, as I know how much hard work goes into running one.

So I want to give my thanks to those who run this board, and put such hard work into creating a wonderful place were MJ fans reminisce about him and his music. :hug:
 
moonstreet said:
most of probally wont recognise me, if you joined MJJC after June 25. As you can see by my avatar, I've been a member since 2003. I have stopped logging in since June 25 cos its just too much for me to cope with. This site used to be my home, my santuary, but since June, my life has been turned upside down.

I am making this thread as I fell you all need a reality check. Im still visiting this site as a guest and honestly Im horrified at the way this forum and the fan community in general is soo different.

The fan community has changed soo much. Im not saying that we didnt have problems before June 25, as I m sure Gary will agree, but there just seems to be such a differnt tone now. Many Many fans, myself included feel out of place on the forums now. The fact that soo many threads get closed and that Gary has to introduce a subscription is testment to the fact that soo much is different now.

Folks take a look around, how many of the regular posters are pre june 25?? How many of the trouble makers are pre June 25??? Read the rules, respect those of us who have been here year after year, good and bad times. Respect Gary and the mod team. Those of you who are members of MJJC after June 25, Im not saying you are not welcome, cos its clear that Gary and MJJC welcomes you, but please, realise, you dont know everything and like Michael says "respect is not given its earned"

Thank you Thank You Thank You Gary and the mod team, I know we have had our ups and downs, but I just wanted to say just cos I dont login dosnt mean Im not a regualr visitor. I just had to comment on the destruction of our fan community. It just breaks my heart to see MJJC being torn apart like this.
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I am sorry that things have changed with the tone of the forum since Michael died. I have never been to a fan site in my life until this summer when I joined this site. I was looking for people who also cared for Michael and understood my feelings. I have found a lot of comfort in this board. I am a very private person and feel comfortable sharing things on an anonymous board than I would not face to face. In fact I don't talk about Michael with anyone face to face.

One of the things that made me feel at home here was the older members. I immediately trust people who have been on this board for a long time, especially pretrial. But I think the newer members for the most part are respectful and I am glad that people continue to join. A certain percentage of people always seem to like to cause trouble and with so many more people here, the odds are that there will be more trouble makers. But we don't have to let them set the tone.

I try to be respectful, but i admit there have been times when I wasn't. I get upset when people are accusatory or spreading rumors and sometimes I am harsh in my replies. I apologize if I have offended. I wonder how much of the change is due to new members being less respectful in general or the fact that Michael was killed. I think that has all of us on the edge and the fact that no one has been arrested makes it more so. I have noticed a couple of older members were banned too! It is just a really difficult time.


I would like to ask the long time members to join in again. I appreciate what they have to say even when I don't agree, I still respect them. If respectful people stop posting, then all that will be left is the bickering and name calling.
 
Victoria83 said:
Yup. I totally relate to this. I joined MJJF (now MJJC) BEFORE the trial. I was incredibly active during the trial. Some of you remember, and some do not really know? No matter, except for the current lack of respect for my, and others' history in the "MJ world," and my own history as an "investigative OP Ed author." I post here very little now, sorry to say. The flak is just not worth it. I put myself on the line, for Michael. I really, truly did, at great risk. I did not reveal my name on the board during the trial, (still won't and do not post it, please) and there was a moment of humor for me, when someone started a thread saying, "Some professor is telling the TRUTH on German TV!" Yup, that was me. I risked a lot, and spoke to over a million people about what I'd learned. That interview was broadcast throughout Europe. I got discouraged, lately, and I really did try but, sorry, there were foks, mostly newbies . . . . who treated me like DIRT with NO respect for what I'd already given and continue to give and the knowledge that I have. Before (and since?) my resignation as staff, I've felt that, incredibly, my worst adversaries are not those responsible for Michael's death, but fans, themselves! That is SO wrong. . . on many levels.

Reality check. I resigned as senior staff. Do you know WHY? In part, of course, was so I could devote time to my own projects. And, in part, due to lack of respect from . .well, yeah. . some "newbies," who were rude, unnecessarily challenging, and so on. Life is just too short, and I'm admin on another board, and finally decided to triage it and focus on THAT. The loss is for those on THIS board, of what I could have offered, and the CAUSE is mostly those who prattle on and on and hijack threads, with absolutely NO idea of what they are doing or saying. I don't "hate" those people. I just decided I didn't have time for it.

Hope you guys understand, and I must say, here, thanks! to those fans who put up the Support Board. The support, continues.

Be POSITIVE, and kind, or please leave others in peace? What else can I say?

Actually, one more thing? Thank you Gaz, for the purple badge. I EARNED it, and others can earn it, too, in time. It's not divisive. . it's a matter of RESPECT.

Vic
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Thanks for all of your hard work. Maybe part of the problem is that the newbies don't know who any of the oldies are or what they have done in the past. Total respect for what you did during the trial and what you continue to do. But if you did'nt mention it, i wouldn't have known about it. Those of us who are new to the forum don't know your history if you don't tell us. Very few people would have the time to dig through all of the old threads to discover it on their own.

Perhaps in addition to honoring members for the length of time they have been members, we should honor them also for their hard work, contributions and accomplishments to the forum and Michael. That way we newbies could go to the recognition thread sticky and get to know all of the long timers who have made significant contributions. Maybe we could nominate each other for the recognition thread?
 
Both old and new members deserve respect. I feel it is not fair to put all "newbees" in the same bag labbeled "Trouble-making-people". I have also seen old members being rude to other old members and to new members.

If it's all the newbees fault, then the problem would be that easy to solve: simply ban all newbies or, even better, do not accept any new members at all. If it's all the olders fault, then ban all olders and then see how this forum lose its special touch.

This is not a matter of how long we have been here, it's a matter of respect. The same way having a purple label doesn't allow you to disrespect new members, being a newbee doesn't imply we can simply offend older members and expect nothing in return.

We all must behave. The new, the old, the very active, the hardly ever active. But we all fail and make mistakes, so there are moderators. Disrespectful posters can be reported. Old and new are allowed to do this.

Don't put all the blame on the new members. This trend of new v/s old members seems to be in every MJ forum these days. Just time will tell how this is going to end, if ever.

So we know the main rule (RESPECT) and we can choose giving it or simply asking for it.

For years MJ fans have had to fight the haters. Now should we fight other MJ fans? Should we be divided into "good old fans" and "bad new fans"? New fans used to be welcomed in forums. Every now and then, however, new have to fight now among MJ members to prove themselves honest fans.

What's next? We all play a part in this.
 
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Not all "newbies" are the same. Yet it is SOME newbies who drove me right out of this board, as senior staff. It just is what it is.. ... I'm fine, though, and have much more work to do. But because of attacks and ignorance, just not a lot of my work is HERE, anymore. Life is too short, and Michael is just too important to me. Triage? Well, sure.
 
This is the best thing I've done as a Michael fan...joining this forum...I am so happy to be able to connect with fans all around the world, and share/show our love for Michael...I too have been a fan of Michael's since as long as I can remember, but mainly starting in about 1994...I have never been on a forum before, but I am really glad I chose this one...I think you all are great, and it definitely helps to deal with the grief over the loss of our sweet Michael...Thanks to everyone!!
 
Victoria83 said:
Not all "newbies" are the same. Yet it is SOME newbies who drove me right out of this board, as senior staff. It just is what it is.. ... I'm fine, though, and have much more work to do. But because of attacks and ignorance, just not a lot of my work is HERE, anymore. Life is too short, and Michael is just too important to me. Triage? Well, sure.
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I understand what you mean.
 
Im actually starting to feel uneasy again because of all the fighting that I may have to go away again for a while. When this is going on I do not feel Michaels presence here :( It breaks my heart that this is going on. I just wish we could all get along. We are all one.

One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters
Brothers
One life
But we're not the same
We get to
Carry each other
Carry each other
One...life
One
 
Firstly, I totally hear what you are saying Moonstreet even though I've only been a member since March.

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I'm almost afraid to say much though because the way certain people are here my opinions would be ridiculed or bashed just because I didn't agree with what person A was saying.. And thats REALLY SAD..
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This is why I don't post so much anymore either. :(
 
I agree with Trish's post. I am sad to know that the atmosphere on the board has changed. And I pray that things come back together and we can all be one. I respect the older members very much, and I hope as a new member I can be accepted into the home because I certainly don't want to and don't intend to abuse it. I believe loving Michael and having each other is and should be a blessing. But of course understand that since that fateful day emotions are everywhere and people are struggling in different ways. There's often tension in a family but at the end of the day it's supposed to full of support, and love conquers all, if we want to use it.

I hope people here just to cause trouble will soon be gone. I hope that old and new members can respect each other as equals for Michael loved us all the same. I would very much like to see the older members return or post more, etc, because I want to read, listen, learn what you all have over the years. I want to be apart of carrying on Michael's legacy for the generation to come. The love has to be passed on.

And probably the only other thing in my head at this point is: "Before you judge me, try hard to love me...." I do feel the divide and just want to be accepted here :blush:
 
moonstreet said:
most of probally wont recognise me, if you joined MJJC after June 25. As you can see by my avatar, I've been a member since 2003. I have stopped logging in since June 25 cos its just too much for me to cope with. This site used to be my home, my santuary, but since June, my life has been turned upside down.

I am making this thread as I fell you all need a reality check. Im still visiting this site as a guest and honestly Im horrified at the way this forum and the fan community in general is soo different.

The fan community has changed soo much. Im not saying that we didnt have problems before June 25, as I m sure Gary will agree, but there just seems to be such a differnt tone now. Many Many fans, myself included feel out of place on the forums now. The fact that soo many threads get closed and that Gary has to introduce a subscription is testment to the fact that soo much is different now.

Folks take a look around, how many of the regular posters are pre june 25?? How many of the trouble makers are pre June 25??? Read the rules, respect those of us who have been here year after year, good and bad times. Respect Gary and the mod team. Those of you who are members of MJJC after June 25, Im not saying you are not welcome, cos its clear that Gary and MJJC welcomes you, but please, realise, you dont know everything and like Michael says "respect is not given its earned"

Thank you Thank You Thank You Gary and the mod team, I know we have had our ups and downs, but I just wanted to say just cos I dont login dosnt mean Im not a regualr visitor. I just had to comment on the destruction of our fan community. It just breaks my heart to see MJJC being torn apart like this.
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well for me I'm new to this forum (but not MJ by far) and so far have not had an opportunity to post on here very many times as my dad often hogs the computer & then my other computer completely broke down & was irreparable so i was offline for a few weeks until we could afford a new pc

I understand what it's like when a forum goes downhill I've seen it many times before & it's not good for those who have been a member a long time also it's not good for those newbies who aren't the one's causing problems

I can totally understand your frustration although i don't know what's been going on here as i haven't been on here much personally but I hope things don't continue to be bad

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indeed i'm sure some of it is anger & sadness at what's happened plus all the nagativity & lies in the press ince he died so that'd be my guess though i don't know what the problem is exactly as i'm new here!

Amy Jackson said:
Yeahh yur words are very true!!!
Respect for each other is very important, and we must be together for Michael... and make him proud!!
Thank you for the words!!
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indeed we have to all respect one another that's very important indeed imho

PCR said:
Hi, Moonstreet,

Nice to see you here too :)

I totally agree with you when you say we all (new and old) must respect moderators and the creator/owner of a house that is not ours, but of the ones who have worked for so many years to keep it as the wonderful place it is. The Legacy "mark" is a fitting recognition to those hard working and long time active members of this MJ online community.

You are so right... the MJ fan community has changed so much.

Years ago, when someone was new to MJ, fans would be just happy and ready to guide those newbees. New fans to MJ were precious and cared about. That is why so many of them remain loyal MJ fans today. I remember myself being so happy when people would say they also liked MJ :)

This has also changed after June 25. Many of us have entered the forums for the first time ever, yes, that is true, but many of us DO know MJ for a long time. As I just mentioned this evening at that other forum, if we are to use the dates below our avatars to measure the love we feel for Michael Jackson... we can make too many mistakes. Michael Jackson DESERVES new fans, despite the reasons they might have to be new to forums OR to his music. If not, the MJ community will eventually fade away.

I don't say you are judging anyone. I agree with you: respect must be earned, by respecting others, and also by not jumping into conclussions just for a date. This applies to both old and newly arrived members. We, new members, must do our homework and take the time to read AND FOLLOW the rules.... and "da rules" are not that difficult anyway :D

I thank you for your post, Moonstreet. It's a good opportunity to exchange our opinions on this issue.
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indeed I agree with you going by the date someone joined is by far not an indicator of how long a person has loved MJ or how they feel about him by far!

I myself have been a fan of Michael's since I was 1 year old (I'm 24 now!) I just never knew of this forum's existence until I chatted to a fellow MJ/Mika fan over on the Mika forum's MJ thread who said they got some macros that they'd posted over there from the Mjjc i asked what on earth is the Mjjc? and they told me about this place & so I found it & joined here


I was a member of one of the other forums but found the place baffling to say the least so haven't bothered going back much tbh & before joing that other forum (back in about march this year) I had never thought of joining an MJ forum not because I don't love Michael loads & loads it's just it never crossed my mind don't ask why?!? I have no idea

but if you look at my personal myspace as well as my myspace fansites (none of which i've logged into for ages) you'll see i joined MJ fansites & suchlike ages ago & that i list in my about me that MJ is a fave of mine

it's not as if i'm new to him 23 years of being a fan isn't new!

i really wish i'd have known of the existence of this place sooner i really do it would've been lovely to chat with other MJ fans on a broader scale sooner!

but there you go I didn't know of the place til recently but I'm glad i do now!
oh for those who wanna check my myspace it's www.myspace.com/yakkabakakkas (where if you look at my friendslist you'll see the MJ myspace & a few fans of his) also i don't know if you can see the groups i joined & when? but i have joined a fair few!


as the others are fansites (for other people Mika & Derren Brown) I don't exactly mention MJ but I do certainly have people on my friends list who are fellow fans!

moonstreet said:
pinklollypop

hi and welcome to the fan community. This post is not ment to cause conflict or to make anyone feel unwelcome. Its just that unfortunatly some members who are new to the online fan community and this site in particular dont seem to realise how to behave. Gary and his team over many years have worked soo hard to make this a home for soo many of yet over the last 5 months, their passionate dedication is under attack time and again.

We are all grieving and struggleing to readjust our lives, and it feels like the one place where we can be understood is in danger.
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indeed I understand what you're talking about some people over on an old forum I was a member of didn't even know how to behave let alone the newbies!!

i constantly got bullied over on the dbff (Derren Brown fan forum) for loving Michael & for saying I think Mika is beautiful & a fave singer of mine (besides MJ) I got nothing but hassle you would NOT believe the nastiness that i endured on there & it isn't nice i had to leave after almost 3 years on there!

It was sad but such is life I guess, there's not a lot i can do to stop dozens of people ganging up on me & being nasty

bullies just won't ever leave you alone (well most anyhow!)

I've been bullied on & off all my life (especially when I was a child & it was very brutal) the last thing I needed was for it to happen on a forum where i went to talk about someone i like & admire!

I just hope this place doesn't turn out like that but now i'm a smidgen concerned after your post!
 
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Im actually starting to feel uneasy again because of all the fighting that I may have to go away again for a while. When this is going on I do not feel Michaels presence here :( It breaks my heart that this is going on. I just wish we could all get along. We are all one.

One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters
Brothers
One life
But we're not the same
We get to
Carry each other
Carry each other
One...life
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Same here, Shay. :( Good words.


I've posted a thread about old and new members some weeks earlier already, but I would like to add something now.

This place is filled with people, old and new members or old and new fans....what is going wrong, is that people that come in new here don't know how the tone of voice is settled. They come in, scream they're hurting or miss Michael and are getting upset and rage around the house, sort of. It is just the timing now that Michael is gone, what makes this happen....if that wouldn't have happened people would just go and look first...read around...see what they can do here, you know.
So I think it's very fair to ban out those who are trolling, hijacking and doing all that bad stuff cuz we don't need that here.:no:
I, for one, did look around and went in carefully....I read along...I learned from older members, saw the tone of voice. Nowadays I've made a lot of new, precious friends....new AND old members, I feel respected and I feel one with the people that are here for the same reason and behave the same. I feel proud for loving Michael that long, but sometimes I feel like I am looked at as a new fan for joining here only in July, while I've been loving him through all my life and have been through the same highs and lows as every other longtimer. The only difference is that I was not here but somewhere else. And about new fans; they should be welcome as well. We need new fans to keep Michael 'alive' for ages! It's beautiful that he can still touch souls.

Further, I must say...that I feel the view on the members by the staff is sometimes a bit confused, which I totally understand...cuz how are you gonna see which member is out for chaos and which ones are not. That must be so hard!:scratch:
But I know in the end we can speak up all together, we must speak up all together as one. We all got to say something and everyone needs to be heard to get the truth out there and keep Michael's legacy alive.

I hope that the future will bring everyone back here, and that everyone is able and not afraid to speak again...old members as well cuz we need them to learn about this place and their experience.
I hope people will LISTEN carefully to each other, will RESPECT each other, will RECONSIDER everyones opinions.

We can recreate that bond between old and new members, fans, staff, mods....just everyone.:)
 
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