Re: Dr. Conrad Murray to Avoid Murder Charge?
The lividity part. IF he had lividity, I question why the paramedics did not call their chief immediately and report this. I understand that Murray was there and he was a doctor but the paramedics would have known something was wrong and are obligated to report this. This isn't a simple matter of "the doctor said so....so we had to". That doesn't fly as I have worked with hundreds of paramedics and one thing these people do is follow the book/rules. They won't take someone to transport from a hospital if the blood pressure is low, not to mention missing without calling 'home' base.
The other part of this that sounds wrong to me is that UCLA worked on him. Lividity is a Dead On Arrival to me. Thats a no work on case and if that is true, why did they? They would have picked up liability. In the ER if they are dead on arrival with lividity this is a no brainer. I question this part as being accurate which makes me think he was really not dead but then again,.....
the police were notified at 1:00 pm , mj was moved to the hospital later , so it seems the paramedics knew there was something really wrong with the whole thing .
They did put in a central line (an IV catheter which is pictured in his neck that does go straight to the heart) and they have intubated him in that 'last photo'. His coloring does not look like a dead man. I have seen many and believe me, Michael looked good there. So, they intubated him and put in a central line and moved him to the hospital and somewhere I read that the ambulance went slowly because they were working on him and somewhere else I read the ambulance sped away. We know it backed up slowly but after that?
My question is simply this. Did they ever get a pulse back? It is possible they did but if he was without oxygen for too long (minutes count) and was he brain dead? It was said that Frank Dileo knew he was already dead because of the nurse at UCLA but they were continuing to work on him?
MJ had vitiligo so no colour , so from the colour of his face you would not have figured anything , and by the way mj was almost a skeleton at the time , in the pic he looked bloated , just my opinion .
Also note this part for accuracy. The very second Michael arrived at UCLA Dr Murray was no longer "the doctor" in charge or had part in anything. He would not have been allowed to 'do' anything as he didn't work there or have priviledges. He would NOT have been asked to do anything (in fact, would have not been allowed) and would NOT have been asked to sign the death certificate (as has been stated) or call time of death.
the search warrant :
COOPER pronounced JACKSON's death at 1426 hours. MURRAY refused to sign the death certificate
true, another indication MJ was already dead when he arrived at the hospital , and they belived he should have signed it himslef since mj died when he was in charge .
why they kept working on him even though he was already dead , becaue he was celebrity , and do you remember the woman that was revived after rigor mortis set in :
Woman comes back to life after rigor mortis sets in
Posted by Mark Frauenfelder, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM | permalink
A West Virgina woman's heart stopped three times and she was brain dead for 17 hours at a hospital. Rigor mortis had set in and the family was discussing donating her organs when she suddenly woke up. She now appears to be in good heath.
[Val] Thomas suffered two heart attacks and had no brain waves for more than 17 hours. At about 1:30 a.m. Saturday, her heart stopped and she had no pulse. A respiratory machine kept her breathing and rigor mortis had set in, doctors said.
"Her skin had already started to harden and her fingers curled. Death had set in," said son Jim Thomas.
They rushed her to a West Virginia hospital. Doctors put Thomas on a special machine which induces hypothermia. The treatment involves lowering the body temperature for up to 24 hours before warming a patient up.
After that procedure, her heart stopped again.
"She had no neurological function," said Dr. Kevin Eggleston.
Her family said goodbye and doctors removed all the tubes.
However, Thomas was kept on a ventilator a little while longer as an organ donor issue was discussed.
Ten minutes later the woman woke up and started talking.
so they just hoped they might be able to revive him .
Some things just are 'assumed' in the story but they are inaccurate as reported by the press, as I have shown that CNN did the Propofol video and it was not the bible on how Propofol is used outside the operating room. This drug CAN be injected with a needle (like a flu shot would be) but it won't keep a person out for long. It was also reported WRONG that they put an IV in his legs. (or tried) WRONG. He had a central line (IV that goes directly into the heart) in his neck. (unless those pictures are wrong....but my gut tells me they are real). You can see this on the left side of his shoulder in the photos.
according to the leaked autopsy , the needle marks were only on his ARMS . they mention a surgery to his knee .
