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Spike Lee BAD 25 Documentary- DVD / Blu Ray [available on iTunes Nov 19]

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8701girl said:
With the way everyone is talking bout mike's butt i think bad25 should be called "BUTT25" :p
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Spike Lee said: ‘‘We really divided it into two things: Artists today who were influenced by Michael, and then people who worked side by side — musicians, songwriters, technicians, engineers, people at the label, who were all committed to Michael, to the follow-up to the biggest record of all time, which still is ‘Thriller.'’’

The bolded part is the reason who JB, CB etc were interviewed, they were influenced by Michael. To be influenced by someone doesn't mean they have to be fans, grow up the same time as Michael, or even to be lived in the same decade/century. There are still young painters influenced by Pablo Picasso, Michaelangelo......the list goes on. The same goes in music world too, young artists are influenced by older ones, even Michael was influenced by older generations artists. Why is it so hard to believe that Michael could have influenced young artists today? Of course there are many artists today influenced by Michael, and that will keep his legacy alive. I would be worried if Spike couldn't find anyone to interview that was influenced by Michael.
 
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Bubs said:
...Of course there are many artists today influenced by Michael, and that will keep his legacy alive. I would be worried if Spike couldn't find anyone to interview that was influenced by Michael.
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Well said.
The charts seem to have had massive acts who are obviously inspired by MJ for as long as I can remember, and it's even better when they're vocal about it. Say what you like about Bieber but he is always giving MJ his dues (could that be Usher's influence?). Some accuse him of using MJ to boost his own profile but to be honest, I don't see it like that, and I wouldn't really care if it was true anyway. Remember JT? He basically copied MJ's style in dress, vocally, and choreographically and did his best to distance himself from MJ at the same time, preferring to reference Prince instead. That was a low thing to do at the time, but despite that I still think it would be a good thing to have JT in the documentary to profess his love for MJ (that's if he's man enough to finally admit it) because he was such a big star a few years ago.
I'm 10000% positive Spike Lee will have requested an interview with QJ, and I'm 10000% positive that QJ will have accepted. He may have his issues with MJ's personal choices and a lack of understanding of Vitiligo, but as far as music goes QJ has respect for MJ. That and the fact QJ likes to milk their relationship for all it's worth. After all, Thriller and BAD were probably by far QJ's biggest successes. He'd like to remind the world of that and bathe in the glory of it again.
 
Bubs;3669892 said:
Spike Lee said: ‘‘We really divided it into two things: Artists today who were influenced by Michael, and then people who worked side by side — musicians, songwriters, technicians, engineers, people at the label, who were all committed to Michael, to the follow-up to the biggest record of all time, which still is ‘Thriller.'’’

The bolded part is the reason who JB, CB etc were interviewed, they were influenced by Michael. To be influenced by someone doesn't mean they have to be fans, grow up the same time as Michael, or even to be lived in the same decade/century. There are still young painters influenced by Pablo Picasso, Michaelangelo......the list goes on. The same goes in music world too, young artists are influenced by older ones, even Michael was influenced by older generations artists. Why is it so hard to believe that Michael could have influenced young artists today? Of course there are many artists today influenced by Michael, and that will keep his legacy alive. I would be worried if Spike couldn't find anyone to interview that was influenced by Michael.
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Exactly! But I do hope that he also included some artists from past generations were influenced by Michael - it would be cool to get an interview from Madonna and even his rival Prince!
 
Bubs;3669892 said:
Spike Lee said: ‘‘We really divided it into two things: Artists today who were influenced by Michael, and then people who worked side by side — musicians, songwriters, technicians, engineers, people at the label, who were all committed to Michael, to the follow-up to the biggest record of all time, which still is ‘Thriller.'’’

The bolded part is the reason who JB, CB etc were interviewed, they were influenced by Michael. To be influenced by someone doesn't mean they have to be fans, grow up the same time as Michael, or even to be lived in the same decade/century. There are still young painters influenced by Pablo Picasso, Michaelangelo......the list goes on. The same goes in music world too, young artists are influenced by older ones, even Michael was influenced by older generations artists. Why is it so hard to believe that Michael could have influenced young artists today? Of course there are many artists today influenced by Michael, and that will keep his legacy alive. I would be worried if Spike couldn't find anyone to interview that was influenced by Michael.
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I think we all agree about that, but are JB & CB really the best choices? There are so many great (better than those 2) artists influenced by MJ: Usher, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, even Lady Gaga & Britney...
 
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Billie Jean 78 said:
Exactly! But I do hope that he also included some artists from past generations were influenced by Michael - it would be cool to get an interview from Madonna and even his rival Prince!
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Prince would be cool, but I doubt he would accept it. Madonna not so much.
 
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Bubs said:
Why is it so hard to believe that Michael could have influenced young artists today?
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It's not hard not believe, it's hard to understand why are these people so necessary to the documentary when we could have Justin Timberlake or Usher, obviously younger men, quite talented and evidently influenced by Michael too, to them I would not oppose. I still think JB is overrated and far replaceable, if you think about it they want to include him everywhere and it's a bit nerve-wracking.
 
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bobmoo79 said:
Say what you like about Bieber but he is always giving MJ his dues (could that be Usher's influence?). Some accuse him of using MJ to boost his own profile but to be honest, I don't see it like that, and I wouldn't really care if it was true anyway.
I'm 10000% positive Spike Lee will have requested an interview with QJ, and I'm 10000% positive that QJ will have accepted. He may have his issues with MJ's personal choices and a lack of understanding of Vitiligo, but as far as music goes QJ has respect for MJ. That and the fact QJ likes to milk their relationship for all it's worth. After all, Thriller and BAD were probably by far QJ's biggest successes. He'd like to remind the world of that and bathe in the glory of it again.
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Some seems to be accusing every other musician for copying Michael's style.
I can only hope that fans of James Brown, Fred Astaire etc people that Michael was influenced by, don't go around saying that Michael was copying them or trying to boost his own profile, just the way MJ fans seems to be doing to other artists.

About Q, I thought he was interviewed, although I cannot be sure?
Q and MJ didn't go separate ways in good terms, they weren't even recording in the same recording studio while BAd was on the works, wonder if that is going to bring bad memories for Q?

OnirMJ said:
I think we all agree about that, but are JB & CB really the best choices? There are so many great (better than those 2) artists influenced by MJ: Usher, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, even Lady Gaga & Britney...
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Whose best choices?
You may not like JB and CB but combined fan base for two of them is about 70 million. So they do have "some" fans that like their music, and if those 70 million tune in to watch this document, I don't care who is in it, as long as it is about Michael. I personally can listen few minutes how JB or CB explain how they were influenced by Michael, no biggie.
 
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What did I just read? Someone said spike lee should've chose a has-been Justin timberlake(a bad actor now)who happened to be the big crook and had no respect to michael over the current pop sensition such as Justin bieber and Chris brown who always show the world their supports and admirations of michael. JB and CB are the hottest acts now with the big fan base of their own. they represent today's pop world no matter what we think about them. I am glad spike lee as one of the great director in the industry know his business and every info we've known show us this documentary has the potential of being a great one.
 
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Bubs said:
Some seems to be accusing every other musician for copying Michael's style.
I can only hope that fans of James Brown, Fred Astaire etc people that Michael was influenced by, don't go around saying that Michael was copying them or trying to boost his own profile, just the way MJ fans seems to be doing to other artists.

About Q, I thought he was interviewed, although I cannot be sure?
Q and MJ didn't go separate ways in good terms, they weren't even recording in the same recording studio while BAd was on the works, wonder if that is going to bring bad memories for Q?



Whose best choices?
You may not like JB and CB but combined fan base for two of them is about 70 million. So they do have "some" fans that like their music, and if those 70 million tune in to watch this document, I don't care who is in it, as long as it is about Michael. I personally can listen few minutes how JB or CB explain how they were influenced by Michael, no biggie.
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70 million fans? Where, on facebook and twitter? Those are not fans. Just like 50 MIL likes on Michael Jackson's facebook are not 50 MIL fans. Fans are people who buy their albums and go to their concerts, not people who listen their music on youtube and follow them on twitter.
 
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OnirMJ said:
70 million fans? Where, on facebook and twitter? Those are not fans. Just like 50 MIL likes on Michael Jackson's facebook are not 50 MIL fans. Fans are people who buy their albums and go to their concerts, not people who listen their music on youtube and follow them on twitter.
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If you think 70 million is too many fans between two of them, I suppose its safe to say that they do have fan base in millions?
I'm happy if those fans watch this document, whether if its 70 or just 10 million on top of other people who is going to watch it:)
 
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poor JB and CB. Imagine if one day you became famous. Imagine every interview you do, someone asks you who your inspiration is. Of course you say michael jackson. Of course, you gush about how much you love him, about how you want to have an impact of music just like him, how he was the best and there'll never be another. Because you LOVE michael jackson. not because your trying to get money of him or whatever the other stupid claims are...
God forbid JB and CB just simply love michael jackson like us..
p.s i would almost put CB in the same category as justin timberlake or usher anyway..
 
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I actually prefer if they didn't talk to Justin Timberlake. He was influenced by Michael but then turned his back and ignored. He followed it wasn't cool to say he liked Michael. I would rather have people like Usher and Chris Brown who supported Michael when he was alive when it wasn't popular thing to do. I don't like Quincy but he did work on the album and if the talk is about that only then it's fine. I don't want to hear anything from him about Michael just about the work. It is usually not bad then from him.
 
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bobmoo79 said:
hope not. It would be bad enough if Sky One bought it.
I would prefer it to be on mainstream TV with maximum possible number of viewers. Sky Arts would be lucky to pull in more than a few hundred thousand viewers, but BBC1 or ITV1 could probably draw more than 5million. There's no contest.
I'm sure Sony and the estate will prefer to sell to BBC 1/ITV 1 and if they have any sense they'll sell to them even if their bid is lower than Sky Arts because the exposure MJ will get will be much bigger.
Anyway we'll see what happens.



BTW with reference to a previous post of mine, another reason why JB, CB etc are good for this documentary is quite simply because they appeal to a younger demographic. The MJ Estate know that they need to sustain MJ's legacy and appeal. The best way to do that is to propogate it down to the younger generation. Generally speaking those young fans probably wouldn't be interested in watching a documentary about MJ and the old guys who worked with him in the 1980s - they're too young to care about that stuff, it's ancient history to them. Not only do CB, JB etc demonstrate MJ's ongoing appeal to young stars of today, but also their fans will be interested to watch the show and will hopefully be influenced to like MJ's music (assuming they don't already). It would be a bad move not to include current stars IMO.
I would also like people like Usher, Justin Timberlake, Snoop Dogg, Beyonce, NeYo, and Will.i.am to be included. They're all well respected international stars that were influenced by MJ. From the late 90s until his death MJ was dismissed by many people as a 'has-been' and 'irrelevant', despite massive MJ-influenced acts like Beyonce, JT, Usher dominating the charts, but it's hard to justify that opinion when these guys are on TV saying MJ was the king.
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Great post. I just think that we need to see this documentary as just not solely targetted at mj core fans, but as something that is designed to have a mass tv audience and so have appeal to casual music fans. I actually like that the estate is doing this type of project to gain msm exposure for mj as opposed to doing something which requires mj fans to dip in their pockets again for another mj-related merchandise which only they will see.

The music press seems to have picked up on the estate press release. Saw a daily mail article on it yesterday which is good exposure.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...el-Jackson-documentary.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
 
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sorry but when does the documentary release? and is on DVD ?
 
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Someone said who's best choices, well
Best choices generally..? It's not just about hardcore MJ fans, it's about the general public too. Not just the fan base JB might attract to watch the doc.. People in general don't like him or care about him. I still think it's not the best choice, if you think about "appeal" then it is. Young girls and teenagers will watch his 3 or 4 min on screen and may not care to watch the rest. Like someone said here somewhere, the younger fans wouldn't be interested to see "older" people talking about the process and experiences they had with Michael because they don't know them, they might get bored after a while, and switch the channel. And his appearance could end up not being a big contribution to the fandom anyway.. I think you don't need to use "it" artists to appeal to someone like Michael, he has greatness enough to do it on his own. And other "it" acts are doing that anyway, and a bit more acceptably like that show Glee..I don't like it one bit, but I have to give them credit for helping young people rediscover great artists, that's the way you do it IMO. And someone here said that Justin Timberlake turned his back on Michael, but even his family has. I think that it's the same with JB, who's to say that after his time as the next big thing passes, he'll do the same? you've got to remember Timberlake was at the peak of his career when Michael comparisons arose.. It's the same thing with Bieber, I don't see how it could be any different.
 
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marebear had a point on QJ, I must admit. Michael and him produced The BAD album it'd make sense if he's part of the docu but at the same time I don't like him because he gives himself a lot of credit for Michael's sucess on Thriller and BAD and the bs he's said in recent years. That's why it'd be better if he only appears in studio recording sessions IMHO.

Probably Spike Lee is just trying to reach younger audiences by inviting people like Chris Brown, JB, Cee Lo Green, etc to be part of the documentary... As long as it has footage of studio recordings, making of The BAD music films, concerts footage, it'll be great...
 
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It looks like Spike Lee has a great Documentary in store for the world. Good thing he doesnt have to listen to all the MJ fan advice above or else no one would be in it. They were not chosen becuase of your or anyone elses personal opinion of them. They were chosen becuase they are relevant to what Spike want to present to the world about Michael. The Past, present and future of his Legacy. There will be no haters in Spikes documentary. Alll that is sadly coming from elswhere... IM Glad Spike isnt playing that game. I have faith He will make Michael shine in the brightests light no matter what you, I or anyone else thinks of the relevant particpants. I really think it is a Good thing that it is not up to us to stifle HIS vision and creativity for the Documentary ..
 
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I don't think it's hate at all, there's no such thing when it comes to Michael's followers in my book. It's just different opinions and I think we've all respected that here, the thread was made to discuss the documentary and IMO that's what has been done. If we all thought or agreed to the same just to avoid discussions, we wouldn't act as individuals and I think what everyone has said is fair, we're allowed to have our own opinions, I'm just waiting for it to air to really clear my doubts on it, which are minor but still.
 
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Selection of related tweets:
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Spike Lee ?@SpikeLee
"@speeddemon20: @SpikeLee is tatiana thumbtzen gonna get mentioned in the mj documentary?" I Interviewed Her.
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Spike Lee ?@SpikeLee
"@Mr_Picture_This: @SpikeLee Are you showing the MJ 'Bad' Documentary on Aug. 25?" Some Clips Maybe.
(people in Brooklyn Loves MJ happening might see clips of it!)
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Spike Lee ?@SpikeLee
"@dreederTD: @JoeVogel1 @SpikeLee How long is the documentary?" Shamon Long.
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Couple of hours long says Joe:wild:
Joe Vogel ?@JoeVogel1
Spike really humanizes MJ and does him justice as an artist. Incredible unseen footage. Can't wait to see the final cut. ?#Bad25?
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10h Joe Vogel ?@JoeVogel1
People are going to be amazed by the new @SpikeLee doc on Bad. For a couple of hours, it feels like Michael Jackson is alive again. ?#Bad25?
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11 Jul Jason King ?@jasonkingsays
just saw a rough cut of the new spike lee @40AcresBrooklyn MJ documentary; it is superb. Truly illuminates MJ's profound genius & artistry.
 
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It's said there will be over 40 people talking in that docu. I'm sure the JB part will be a couple of seconds and that's it. I still don't see the harm in that, regardless of our personal opinions about him. I think this focus on him being in the docu has been blown way out of proportion compared to the actual amount of time he will be in it.
 
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I'm just afraid that in 10 years when someone play the DVD or the documentary airs on TV, people will say "who is this kid"? That is what I'm trying to say. This documentary is made to be forever and Justin Bieber will be forgotten in the next few years.
 
OnirMJ said:
I'm just afraid that in 10 years when someone play the DVD or the documentary airs on TV, people will say "who is this kid"? That is what I'm trying to say. This documentary is made to be forever and Justin Bieber will be forgotten in the next few years.
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And half of those 40 people interviewed, audience today is going to say WTF are they. So don't bug your head about what could be in 10years.
Remember "the one" special? It was great. And most of the stars in that arent that famous anymore.
The living legend, has only people talking who are not around for decades and no one knows them.
Both specials were great, thats why got home releases.
Every decade has his celebreties.

About JT, he got sick of anyone comparing him to Michael,thats why he turned on him. He wasn like that in the begining of his solo. Still im happy he isnt in this. Cause he is fake, just like usher.
 
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OnirMJ said:
I'm just afraid that in 10 years when someone play the DVD or the documentary airs on TV, people will say "who is this kid"? That is what I'm trying to say. This documentary is made to be forever and Justin Bieber will be forgotten in the next few years.
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I totally agree with You, but then again. Michael's 30th Anniversary was filled with many artists that are not even relevant today (reason why I only focused on HIM) like I will do with this docu., still I agree completely :).
 
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This might sound bad but I am worried I won't be able to see this. I hope it's on tv and I have the channel. I hope it might be on dvd too and we can get it. I can't even get the pepsi cans of Michael where I live. There are pepsi selling everywhere and I wish it was here too. Besides the wembley concert, I really want to see this. To see Michael be Michael and people can see who he was just like in this is it. I am sure Spike Lee had a vision and he seems to be working really hard on this so I am staying positive about this.
 
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marebear said:
This might sound bad but I am worried I won't be able to see this. I hope it's on tv and I have the channel. I hope it might be on dvd too and we can get it. I can't even get the pepsi cans of Michael where I live. There are pepsi selling everywhere and I wish it was here too. Besides the wembley concert, I really want to see this. To see Michael be Michael and people can see who he was just like in this is it. I am sure Spike Lee had a vision and he seems to be working really hard on this so I am staying positive about this.
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Don't worry, I feel the same....
 
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