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summer said:
What bothers me the most is that they ADMIT they DIDN'T have a show planned out when they announced the concert dates. To me that is pretty preposterous to say the least. Very unprofessional and careless. They KNEW it's gonna be a huge production so it seems really naive to me to announce shows when you haven't even STARTED planning.
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They had 'plans', but in the early stages, you don't have all the details. It's not like making cookies, where the recipe is already defined, and you already know how much time 'should' take to complete.

The concert is a living breathing entity. That's what make Michael's shows like none other! Not even Michael knows (yet) what the final outcome will look like.

Then, add to the mix some great talent. A lot of the 'ingredients' to the show must come together perfectly, or the show could be crippled quite badly.

Plain and simply, Kenny requested the dates be moved, and AEG followed through with his request. Could AEG have planned for Kenny to need more time? Of course not. At the time of announcement, Kenny had not even committed himself yet to working with Michael.

Could AEG have rescheduled dates more appropriate? Of course! So, let's ask them to choose more reasonable dates.

Could I have bought refundable airfare? Of course!
Could AEG offer to refund or work with airlines/hotels to refund? Of course!

No matter what, a lot of us have some new headaches over re-scheduling, refunds, etc. But, don't get carried away and blame your headache on Michael himself.
 
thy are stupide!
because they have their private airplanes en rooms al over the world.
welcome to the real world!

Real people need to book hotels and flights months before!!!
 
Hey - Gary has an announcement here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63770

Guys

This thread has now turned into our official MJJC support thread of those who are in a serious situation therefore I need the below emailed to me so we can see what can be done on a grand scale,

MJJC is about community, we are all one big team and together we will do our best to get you all through this as easy as possible.

So I need

  1. An email with your concert/question/complaint which will be subbmitted to AEG to
  1. We need the details of your loss
  • Your concert date
  • Your seat Number
  • Your flight carrier
  • Your Hotel name and dates booked
  • The costs in which you have lost (estimated)
With the above information we will be personaly submiting this to AEG in a spread sheet format and we will also be on a grand scale contacting the hotels and airline carriers to see what we can as a major organisation do.

MJJCommunity is here for you, I have been hearing some really heart wrenching stories this evening and me and my team can not sit back and do nothing,

So MJJC is here for you

Nation 2 Nation

Regards


Gary M Taylor
President & Owner MJJCommunity.com
 
I'm sure these dates were the only option they had. The other dates must have conflicts. If they could've done better with the dates, they would have.
 
i cant deal with this! Not now..... My aunt died 2 days ago, and now my hopes of seeing MJ live is gone :(
NO, it's just too much

:(
 
Lazrak, that's not necessarily true that they decided on it a long time ago. You have no proof of that. Kenny perhaps proposed this to AEG who was trying to find another solution.
 
In the interview the guy from AEG says Michael's show will be worth waiting for...does he mean the opening show will start in 2010? I'm confused......
 
Trish said:
Hey all,

Many of us have lost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars (euros or whatever) today because of non transferable/non refundable tickets and hotel bookings. Some of us canceled summer plans in order to see the first set of shows. And many of us are absolutely gutted by what has happened today.

I think it would be appropriate for all of us fans to offer a bit of support and sympathy to those who are angry, upset, sad and disappointed because those of us that are, have EVERY RIGHT TO BE. There is no need for one member here to tell another member to get over it, or to look on the bright side, or to look at it from Michael's point of view. You know why? Because that is impossible! So please show some compassion to those that are upset. This is a community, right? We should be there for one another, yeah?

On the flip side of the coin .... we cannot get so angry that we lose all sense of reasoning. Hell yeah be mad but don't be disrespectful and don't be doom and gloom. There must be solutions out there available, we just have to put our thinking caps on and find them. It's hard, I know! I know you want to blame Michael, AEG, Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and their cousins and friends and that is fine... but at the end of the day, you can get a full refund on your ticket from ticketmaster. At least that is somewhat of a silver lining. I know it isn't much but at least it's a start. I just know that attacking Michael, attacking AEG and attacking others in anger will not help.

Lets put on our thinking caps and figure out a way to help those negotiate their hotel and flight bookings. Some airlines will be lenient if asked properly. More importantly, lets drop the hostility and support one another.
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bumping this.
 
TomV87 said:
The way they have done it is probably the easiest and best way for ticketmaster and the o2

To move A to B, B to C, C to D etc would put alot more people out

Theres nothing we can do about it now, they have changed it now, and wont change it again
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No they would not have had to do that! Someone posted earlier some alternate dates they could do without MJ in July & Aug (without him having to perform 2 nights in a row)..

Then there are those tickets AEG have given Viagogo, and im sure there are tickets lefts for shows in July and Aug which have not been released for sale yet.. Given the unfortunate circumstanced they could have some of those tickets available to the many fans who simply cannot come to London in MARCH!

All Im saying is if they actually had the best interest of the fans as they claim, they could have given a more reasonable alternative...
 
gLOVE said:
No they would not have had to do that! Someone posted earlier some alternate dates they could do without MJ in July & Aug (without him having to perform 2 nights in a row)..

Then there are those tickets AEG have given Viagogo, and im sure there are tickets lefts for shows in July and Aug which have not been released for sale yet.. Given the unfortunate circumstanced they could have some of those tickets available to the many fans who simply cannot come to London in MARCH!

All Im saying is if they actually had the best interest of the fans as they claim, they could have given a more reasonable alternative...
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The problem with that plan is that its 20,000 ppl a show, you can't just ask them to sort out fans, if they do it for one they have to do it for all
 
LisaB said:
Lazrak, that's not necessarily true that they decided on it a long time ago. You have no proof of that. Kenny perhaps proposed this to AEG who was trying to find another solution.
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Well, since Friedman posted that the first shows would be postponed on may 4th, and even had the new premiere date right it feels as if his information was correct (as it is most of the time).

If even he knew this over two weeks ago you can bet that AEG knew too.
 
CpDx said:
They had 'plans', but in the early stages, you don't have all the details. It's not like making cookies, where the recipe is already defined, and you already know how much time 'should' take to complete.

The concert is a living breathing entity. That's what make Michael's shows like none other! Not even Michael knows (yet) what the final outcome will look like.

Then, add to the mix some great talent. A lot of the 'ingredients' to the show must come together perfectly, or the show could be crippled quite badly.

Plain and simply, Kenny requested the dates be moved, and AEG followed through with his request. Could AEG have planned for Kenny to need more time? Of course not. At the time of announcement, Kenny had not even committed himself yet to working with Michael.

Could AEG have rescheduled dates more appropriate? Of course! So, let's ask them to choose more reasonable dates.

Could I have bought refundable airfare? Of course!
Could AEG offer to refund or work with airlines/hotels to refund? Of course!

No matter what, a lot of us have some new headaches over re-scheduling, refunds, etc. But, don't get carried away and blame your headache on Michael himself.
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Where in my post did I put the blame on Michael HIMSELF? Can you highlight that and post it for me? Thank you. And "my headache"....? I won't even comment on that.

The "cookie recipe" example was fairly offending. I'd say I'm not THAT naive, thank you very much. Like I said in my post, they (and everyone else) knew it is going to be a HUGE production, so they should have managed time accordingly. If you don't know what it's gonna be like but you know it's gonna be huge, it seems a bit "bold" to reserve such a short period of time for all the preparations. I have nothing against them being creative and wanting to make a great show, but I do have a problem with them not reserving enough time for rehearsals.

As for "could I have bought a refundable airfare"? Sure....if I would have paid a couple of hundred dollars more. Could I have bought a VIP ticket to the front row? Sure....if I had the money. :rolleyes:
 
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lazrak said:
Well, since Friedman posted that the first shows would be postponed on may 4th, and even had the new premiere date right it feels as if his information was correct (as it is most of the time).

If even he knew this over two weeks ago you can bet that AEG knew too.
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No disrespect intended, but PLEASE! If a person follows your every move 24 hours per day, they are bound to get something right every now and then.

In my opinion, AEG knew what was going on, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, they were trying to work around it, before they were forced to make this move.

Let's not crown Friedman just yet. LOL!
 
I want to say that I feel so sorry for fans who are affected by the change, thankfully my date is not changed, I would be disappointed if I had to wait till March, but would rather have the best show possible and wait for it.

The problem is that the hotels really racked up their prices after the new dates were known, I booked 30th July just as it was announced and immediately booked the hotel at £57 each for the night, within a couple of days the same room on the same night was £285! Obviously we got in before the hotel knew of the new date and this is where people are understandably going to get angry, if it is going to cost more.

AEG should be prepared to offer a ticket price reduction to fans who are affected, it is a gesture that would go some way to compensating them. It is not very impressive that this has happened, and of course the media will have a field day with it, ok so we are not so concerned about that, but all the same nobody should take the fans loyalty for granted.
 
i think the fans who are affected by the rescheduling and the ones who DO reschedule everything theyve arranged should be given their money back and still be able to attend the concerts.

OR we should get something as a bonus that is exclusive to just the 4 concerts
 
summer said:
Where in my post did I put the blame on Michael HIMSELF? Can you highlight that and post it for me? Thank you. And "my headache"....? I won't even comment on that.
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Sorry, I only meant the 1st paragraph of my reply to you. The rest was for the others in this thread ;)
 
hilliver said:
I want to say that I feel so sorry for fans who are affected by the change, thankfully my date is not changed, I would be disappointed if I had to wait till March, but would rather have the best show possible and wait for it.

The problem is that the hotels really racked up their prices after the new dates were known, I booked 30th July just as it was announced and immediately booked the hotel at £57 each for the night, within a couple of days the same room on the same night was £285! Obviously we got in before the hotel knew of the new date and this is where people are understandably going to get angry, if it is going to cost more.

AEG should be prepared to offer a ticket price reduction to fans who are affected, it is a gesture that would go some way to compensating them. It is not very impressive that this has happened, and of course the media will have a field day with it, ok so we are not so concerned about that, but all the same nobody should take the fans loyalty for granted.
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i don't think the fans loyalty is being taken for granted. it's a catch 22 situation. either they do this, or they give us a fucked up show, and risk harming someone onstage and bringing up a massive lawsuit. they chose one of the two, courageously, rather than choosing neither, in cowardace. i'm sorry that the fans are going through this. and i have a feeling i would be sorry if something happened badly as a result of the other choice being chosen, instead.
 
I'm really sorry to the fans who have to change dates. I hope there are no other changes. :no:

I didn't read all through this thread because it is so long, but do you guys think this has anything to do with that Jackson's concert/ pay per view thing?? Wasn't that going to be in July (if it happened)?

This is a mess. I hope everyone can work out all the details and still be able to go!
 
This obviously has nothing to do with production (5 days different is not enough to warrant a change of dates) - its just conflicting schedules which should have been sorted out before the annoucements and sale of tickets.
 
Foxy.. said:
This obviously has nothing to do with production (5 days different is not enough to warrant a change of dates) - its just conflicting schedules which should have been sorted out before the annoucements and sale of tickets.
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5 Extra days of practice In the o2 is VITAL according the Ortega and AEG, and they know whats best
 
Foxy.. said:
Granted - but I am stating that 5 days is not enough to warrant the CHANGE of dates.. they can get in there 5 days before no problem without changing the schedule. Just fly over earlier and set up, work harder.
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But other performers sets are in there already, and they cant move them
 
TomV87 said:
But other performers sets are in there already, and they cant move them
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isn't that why most performers practice in big old warehouses and studios where they have their stage set up as it would be... it has to be something deeper than 5 days extra practice. coz thats just stupid.
 
~heavencanwait said:
isn't that why most performers practice in big old warehouses and studios where they have their stage set up as it would be... it has to be something deeper than 5 days extra practice. coz thats just stupid.
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Listening to Ortega and Phillips, alot of the show is about special effects and lighting. All of that has to be practised at the o2, you cant do that in an empty warehouse
 
~heavencanwait said:
isn't that why most performers practice in big old warehouses and studios where they have their stage set up as it would be... it has to be something deeper than 5 days extra practice. coz thats just stupid.
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Those performers do that in the preliminary stages, but you need to have time in the house itself to run through, that's what they're doing.
 
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