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"Alleged relationship" is jarring, and maybe they misspoke? The "alleged" word as the sentence is constructed, is not in terms of "gifts," but RELATIONSHIP, about which there should be no question. I also don't think "gifts" is all there is, i.e. at whatever point their father died, the children would have inherited his wealth. (not so, about Katherine, though, and she's on shakier ground in terms of expectations and damages.)
 
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Ok, gifts etc. I only used gifts as an example as I explained. The whole essence of the relationship from gifts to conversations their 'shared relationship'. That's how I think it's meant, perhaps I am wrong. The date on the motion where this is written was the 19th March, what date did AEG not oppose the request to omit paternity questions?

This is my take anyway, but don't get me wrong I do not believe AEG will play nice, they have a lot at stake.
 
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Re alleged gifts and services - I could be wrong but i understood that the damages relating to lost lifetime income given to the beneficiaries/dependents would be the lifetime income minus an amount for self-consumption ie what the deceased would spend on himself. From ivy's summaries mrs j is saying mj would have spent 60% on himself and 40% on his children and mother. How that 40% is divided up is up to the jacksons i imagine, they seem to have divided it into 4. What we dont' know is whether aeg are challenging that 60/40 - it would be interesting to know what %split is used in other wrongful death cases.

How on earth is paris expected to know what percentage of mj's money is spent on her - they were a family unit - allegedly.

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I can say this much : there's nothing that could change the kids legal heir status.
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Which is something both sets of lawyers will know, so i certainly felt the motion to bar paternity talk is odd unless aeg have been making sly digs.
 
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I guess its alleged cause her wanting damages is apart of the lawsuit. in not saying alleged its like admitting we owe her damages because that was her dad and he provided her gifts etc. and its up to the jury to decide on damages if any
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That is what I think too. Maybe it is like saying the alleged criminal when a case is ongoing or before the verdict is reached so that claims made are seen as alleged until proven?
 
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"Moreover she is seeking extensive damages based on her alleged relationship with the decedent and on gifts and services he allegedly provided to her."

I have to say the whole sentence is curious and it doesn't make any sense.
Alleged relationship, gifts and services alleged provided?
I wonder if there is some mistake on lawyers part, what services MJ provided to her?
What AEG wrote, is based on Paris' written replies, but I read her replies again, but I couldn't find Paris' mention services MJ provided to her!

"She has stated in written discovery that she interacted with the decedent's personal physician CM. Moreover she is seeking extensive damages based on her alleged relationship with the decedent and on gifts and services he allegedly provided to her"

Could it be that the lawyers who wrote this, left out 1 word -
alleged relationship with the decedent's doctor.

Does that make any sense, doctors provide services, not fathers?
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
I began looking through the docs too (thanks ivy). I got a different impression - there is real animosity between the 2 sets of lawyers and i'm not seeing the aeg lawyers as the sweet innocent party in it all.
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I don't think either of them is sweet innocent party, but there was no need for Boyle to talk down to Stebbins.
I found J Stebbins persistent, and rightfully so, after all the trial was to start in few weeks time, and they have not provided the date for Paris' deposition. Plaiintiff's lawyers were trying the same delay tactic with Paris deposition than they did with Randy et all. It took from defendant's side a year to get their deposition.

What caught my eye was Boyle making these sly and unnecessary comments on emails, like stress is getting to you, take a holiday, put your feet up and have a herbal tea to calm your nerves etc. The only time I saw J Stebbins lose her calm when she used capital Y on word You when she replied to Boyle about delays they were causing, and Boyle replied to her to stop email shouting.

I don't find Boyle's conduct and his replies professional at all.



LastTear said:
Ok, gifts etc. I only used gifts as an example as I explained. The whole essence of the relationship from gifts to conversations their 'shared relationship'. That's how I think it's meant, perhaps I am wrong. The date on the motion where this is written was the 19th March, what date did AEG not oppose the request to omit paternity questions?
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03/20/2013
 
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I have only seen the word alleged used to describe a person or situation that has not yet been proven to be true.

The doctor allegedly killed his patient until a criminal trial proved he did.

I cannot see that word used in any other way.

No, Katherine's maternal relationship is never characterized as alleged.
 
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I have to agree that the expression "alleged relationship" doesn't make any sense here and I can only hope it was a typo and not a deliberate dig on AEG's part. I mean there is nothing "alleged" in the relationship of Michael and Paris - she is his daughther legally. That's a legal fact, period. As well as the fact that she is one of his legal heirs. It's not like when someone is called in a lawsuit "alleged victim" or "alleged perpetrator" - in those cases that's exactly the subject of the lawsuit, to determine if the alleged victim truly is a victim or not etc.

In case it was a deliberate dig and such languange is reperately used in documents by AEG I will actually give the Jacksons a pass on that motion about banning paternity issues. That would explain it.

And I don't think there is a good side and a bad side here. Neither side will show any respect towards Michael if it suits them.
 
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This whole thing bout the dna of PP&B is ricdiclous and the jacksons should be ashamed to let this whole just go ahead. I seriously belive someone in that family is whispering to katherine and making her to do it
 
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Two important points to remember:

1. AEG did not oppose the exclusion of paternity (this phrase was used in a close time period of the non-opposition - thanks bubs)

2. Where it was used. The motion to depose Paris. In other words, until Paris sits for her deposition and describes her 'relationship' with her father, anything that has been inferred prior is alleged.

The word relationship can mean, blood line, marriage, friendship, or anybody one has dealings with. Remember that AEG are not just being sued for loss of income and gifts, but also loss of love, friendship and care.

Alleged meaning 'claimed, recited, asserted'. Until Paris describes how she interacted with her father it is only claimed.

I do believe there will be many times when we quite rightly are up in arms about AEG and this case (they wont play nice) I don't think this is one of them, I think this is purely legal jargon. AEG are asking the judge to make Paris still down and tell them what she knows about what they are being sued for, and until she does it remains a claim or alleged.

If AEG had had to make a similar motion to KJ I am sure we would have seen the same phrase used.
 
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But how the heck is paris's & mjs relationship "alleged"?! they are father & daughter CASE CLOSED
 
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Their interactions. But you know what, I give up. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Maybe it's legal jargon, maybe it's not.
 
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LastTear said:
Two important points to remember:

1. AEG did not oppose the exclusion of paternity (this phrase was used in a close time period of the non-opposition - thanks bubs)

2. Where it was used. The motion to depose Paris. In other words, until Paris sits for her deposition and describes her 'relationship' with her father, anything that has been inferred prior is alleged.

The word relationship can mean, blood line, marriage, friendship, or anybody one has dealings with. Remember that AEG are not just being sued for loss of income and gifts, but also loss of love, friendship and care.

Alleged meaning 'claimed, recited, asserted'. Until Paris describes how she interacted with her father it is only claimed.

I do believe there will be many times when we quite rightly are up in arms about AEG and this case (they wont play nice) I don't think this is one of them, I think this is purely legal jargon. AEG are asking the judge to make Paris still down and tell them what she knows about what they are being sued for, and until she does it remains a claim or alleged.

If AEG had had to make a similar motion to KJ I am sure we would have seen the same phrase used.
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Their interactions. But you know what, I give up. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Maybe it's legal jargon, maybe it's not.
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It is legal jargon and the rest of you are debating over nothing.

Very simply put Katherine and the kids allege that AEG is responsible for Murray's actions. They furthermore allege that they are entitled to economic and non-economic damages because Michael not only gave them 40% of his income but also provided love, affection, moral support, training and so on.

Paris claims Michael would have given her 10% of his income while alive , this is alleged and clearly not accepted by AEG. Alleged relationship can also mean a lot more wider than a father-son/daughter relationship. For example we heard that Prince saying he was aware of Michael's all of business deals - this is alleged and AEG could challenge this "alleged relationship" claiming that Prince was only 12 years old. So it doesn't necessarily have to do with any paternity issue or with the love between a father and a son, the content of the relationship - the interactions - can also be challenged and therefore referred as alleged .

All of these are alleged. AEG refers to them as alleged because as a defendant they don't agree with it - hence again alleged.

and @tygger sorry but you and we haven't seen any motion addressed to Katherine. (actually I'll check her deposition motion from last year later tonight) so we don't have any idea how often "alleged" was used. However I can say this much that they have been referring to the damages as alleged.
 
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^^^^Ivy,...I think it's par for the course that we're over analyzing here. The explanations you, LastTear. and others have provided do make sense. It's just the phrasing was a little jarring, especially when coupled with the exclusion request on the paternity.

I guess our examining every iota of information is like what apparently is going to happen in this trial. You'd think it'd last a week, but it's expected to last months.

Thx for the clarifications.
 
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I want to understand what they meant by alleged services Michael provided to her?
What that could possible mean? Did Paris say anywhere that MJ provided some sort of services?
 
^^^ I believe it is just a general term.

<header class="entry-header" style="box-sizing: border-box; position: relative; color: rgb(116, 116, 116); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 19px;">Paris Jackson ‘Impressed Lawyers’ At Her Deposition For Dad Michael’s Wrongful Death Lawsuit

Posted on Mar 26, 2013 @ 14:13PM | By jenheger

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</header>Though Paris Jackson is only a teenager, she managed to impress lawyers at her deposition in the Michael Jacksonwrongful death lawsuit that her grandmother, Katherine, filed against concert promoter AEG, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
Katherine contends that AEG should be held accountable for her son’s death because they were responsible for hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to be his physician during his tour.

“Paris impressed all of the lawyers involved with her professionalism and demeanor during her deposition last week,” a source tells Radar. “Her older brother, Prince, had a rough time during his depo a week earlier, so allowances were made to make sure it didn’t happen again. That’s why Katherine’s lawyers demanded that Paris’ deposition take place at the courthouse so the judge could intervene if it appeared to be getting too tough for her. Luckily it didn’t come to that. Paris will have to sit for another day of questioning but she is okay with that – she is an extremely intelligent, compassionate and thoughtful young lady.”
As previously reported, Prince plans on testifying at the upcoming trial, which is expected to last three to four months.

The judge is allowing AEG to bring up the molestation allegations that Jackson was accused of but never convicted over. Lawyers for the concert promoter want to revisit that dark time during Jackson’s life in an attempt to show jurors that was when he became depressed and dependent on drugs.
However, a Jackson family insider has slammed the defendant’s decision to go down that road, predicting it’s a move that will ultimately backfire on them.

“Michael was tortured in life and now AEG is trying to torture him in death. I predict they will be severely punished for it,” the source said.
Katherine suffered a huge legal setback recently when a California court dismissed all but one of her claims against AEG and its president, Tim Leiweke.

Attorneys filed legal documents with the Court of Appeal in California to dismiss that one claim – which centers on the question of whether AEG Live negligently hired Murray – however, last week, the Court of Appeal rejected their motion.
Murray was convicted in 2011 for the involuntary manslaughter death of Michael after administering a fatal dose of propofol to help the pop singer sleep.

The disgraced doctor hadn’t formally signed his employment contract with AEG at the time of Michael’s death, and they maintain that they aren’t responsible for his tragic death.
Jury selection is expected to begin on April 2.
AEG didn’t immediately respond to request for comment.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/paris-jackson-dad-michael-deposition-wrongful-death-lawsuit/#.UVIPqWnzAEo.twitter

 
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Anyways, we are nearly there and trial will start in 6 days :bugeyed

It is going to be interesting to see how Katherine is going to explain that if MJ had lived, he would have given 1/4 of his earnings to Katherine (re their claim for 40 billion). Her house was just about going to foreclosure and MJ had not paid her bills for ages, so if he didn't support her prior his death, how she is going to explain her claim billions?
I'm sure AEG will have the fact how much MJ supported her.

That would be the only bright side of this trial. If she is ready and willing to thrown MJ under the bus, she should taste the same medicine.
 
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Bubs said:
I want to understand what they meant by alleged services Michael provided to her?
What that could possible mean? Did Paris say anywhere that MJ provided some sort of services?
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I take it to mean anything from paying for education (for eg) to tucking up in bed (for eg). But it may not be that extreme.

ETA *sigh* at the end of the day, no amount of money will replace their Dad.
 
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LastTear said:
The word relationship can mean, blood line, marriage, friendship, or anybody one has dealings with. Remember that AEG are not just being sued for loss of income and gifts, but also loss of love, friendship and care.
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ivy said:
Alleged relationship can also mean a lot more wider than a father-son/daughter relationship... So it doesn't necessarily have to do with any paternity issue or with the love between a father and a son, the content of the relationship - the interactions - can also be challenged and therefore referred as alleged .All of these are alleged. AEG refers to them as alleged because as a defendant they don't agree with it - hence again alleged.
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Yes i agree. The term alleged relationship can be open to lots of different interpretations, maybe one alarming one. It's clear that aeg are not assuming anything at all from mj's family life or relationship with his children - that they were a close-knit family unit with a father who provided everything for his children. If this is the type of approach that aeg is taking then i can perfectly understand why jackson lawyers are ultracautious in barring any talk as to their paternity/maternity in the light of the constant public speculation and the cast of sperm donors out there claiming parentage.

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It is legal jargon and the rest of you are debating over nothing.
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Not really 'nothing' - i brought attention to it as there were pages and pages of vitriol against the jacksons for bringing up a motion to exclude paternity, and claiming with hardly any basis, seeing we've seen only a tiny fraction of all the depos and legal documents in this case, that the family were bringing it up purely to create sensation and make aeg look bad and to show hostility to mj and the children. I felt it was extremely unfair and i'm no fan of the jacksons.
 
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Bubs said:
I want to understand what they meant by alleged services Michael provided to her?
What that could possible mean? Did Paris say anywhere that MJ provided some sort of services?
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LastTear said:
I take it to mean anything from paying for education (for eg) to tucking up in bed (for eg). But it may not be that extreme.

ETA *sigh* at the end of the day, no amount of money will replace their Dad.
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I would think that could be absolutely anything from nannies, bodyguards, education, ballett classes to talks about wanting to help out in the future financially opening a business etc. (many parents set up specific accounts etc for this and/or communicate their readiness about these things to their children)
There are definitely a lot of services a parent provides their children with. Aside from the aforementioned love, care, etc.
 
&#8220;Michael was tortured in life and now AEG is trying to torture him in death."

I love the rhetoric here--you can't really 'torture' someone in death as torture by definition means physical or emotional pain and how can a deceased feel that pain? They can't. This rhetoric seeks to deny AEG the right to bring up the undeniable fact that the accusations, even though MJ was acquited, damaged his career--the settlement in 93 too, and this IMO is mainly b/c of the MEDIA who never let it be, always showed the worst photos, harped on every little mistake he made, put every action in a bad light, made a huge deal out the Blanket situation in Germany--never mentioned the Bambi awards but always the 'dangling'--etc etc. Even now, 4 years later, so many people still believe he was guilty of criminal acts. Let's not forget how the media trashed him, using the accusations,--Diane Dimond, Nancy Grace--etc all saying guilty.
 
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U could replace AEG with family in that sentence. they have torttured mj more in life and death imo
 
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^^I see that article is still running with the lie that AEG was rough on Prince even though there is a video of the deposition. Love the way the family is blaming AEG for showing Michael in a bad light like the torturing, drinking, molestation when they were the ones who started all this. They also fail to see they are doing the same thing to Michael. However, one thing I have to agree with the family about is that if AEG begins to trash Micahel too severely in the trial it will backfire on them, since the jury will see it as the victim being attacked by a big corporation.
 
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What im worried bout with the whole "alleged relationship" thing with mj & paris, prince etc is the paternity thing and also since the fake molestation trial mess in going to be in this trial that the media with make it look sinister and once again put mj in a bad light.


 
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^^^ The whole paternity thing is a non issue, it is excluded from the trial and the media have already had a field day with that one.
 
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LastTear said:
^^^ The whole paternity thing is a non issue, it is excluded from the trial and the media have already had a field day with that one.
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Still you know what the media are like they aint gonna let it go even if its been excluded
 
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^^^ I know, but they already went to town when the motion to exclude was produced at court, I don't think it gets much worse than them running with the headline that this proves he wasn't their father. There is going to be so much ish connected to this trial, it's going to be really hard, try to just console yourself with the knowledge that there will be no discussion in court regarding paternity.
 
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LastTear said:
I don't think it gets much worse than them running with the headline that this proves he wasn't their father. .
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You mean they have already written that as their news headline? OMG :doh:
 
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