[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[gerryevans]

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This is so depressing if true. those kids had been brainwashed and misled by the Jacksons. They are clueless of what happened. If this is before their father's death, I don't blame them of thinking positive of conrat Murray but now they still think good of him? it's unbelievable and shameful. Not only him recklessly killed their father, he also trashed him and made the outrageous mockermentary of their father.

Very very depressing. But despite the trial, PPB are surrounded by people still feeding them a steady diet of CM being the fall guy, and the finger of the bigger hand, blah, blah blah.

Add in that their grandmother, who they passionately love, is pursuing this suit is justification to them that AEG, Sony, etc. etc. are all the truly bad guys, especially with her telling them so.

But still to hear them making positive comments about CM hurts.


ETA: If the AEG suit fails, I wouldn't be surprised if KJ goes after Sony next, not for wrongful death, but something else that her gazillion lawyers cook up.

 

[Justthefacts]

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The majority of this board is what we want, i.e. "OUR opinions." So what's your point.

I, personally, feel if the family thinks AEG was putting pressure on Michael, what were they doing in their constant quest, or should I say, their constant BEGGING for Michael to join them on stage, or join them in some going nowhere business deal. That in my opinion, was also pressure.


But it's all good, I won't be surprised if AEG is able to get some of that in, either through their opening statements or questioning of the various family members (or other witnesses for that matter), when the time is right.

And I agree I think they were pressuring Michael. But I just think we should start with the gloom and doom . That is all

 

[Big Apple2]

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And I agree I think they were pressuring Michael. But I just think we should start with the gloom and doom . That is all

I see where you're coming from Justthefacts. No probs.

Like everybody else, I'll just be glad when this is over. And then I will hold my breath until the NEXT Jackson scheme hits the streets.

Because just like gerryevans posted above, if they don't win this case, who will be on the hit list next. Will it be Sony. Or maybe they will try and go after the Executors again. I don't know who it will be, I just know it will be somebody. After all, as per Jermaine Jacksun, "a lioness always takes care of her cubs."

 

[sfosteredi]

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and what if Michael actually meant "this is it" when he said "this is the final curtain call"? What if he had done the 02 shows and the retired and focused on raising his kids? I mean, how can the Jacksons prove that Michael was gonna do future tours, cd's and what not?

I truly believe Michael meant it when said "this is it". He wanted to produce, direct, and maybe even act a little. I think he loved the stage but was just tired of it. He said he was doing TII so his kids could see him do what he does. That does not mean he planned to do it for years.

 

[Bubs]

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I have a question regarding CM's jail sentence.
He was sentenced to jail for 4 years, but due the overcrowded jails, he might be released this year. How sure that is that he will be released this year?
I was wondering if he was to be kept there full 4 years, (I think General Attorney, the man who pushed D Walgren aside on interview after verdict) was talking about after sentencing that he tries to keep him in jail all 4 years) and if Jackson's wins this case, that would mean more certain that CM will be out this year? Also how result of this case will effect on his appeal?

 

[Big Apple2]

Prince Jackson, Michael’s oldest child, “was also deposed last week, and it didn’t go well for him. In fact the proceedings grew so intense for Prince, that a break was called, and it had to resume the next day,” the insider tells us".

I have a funny feeling that Prince's deposition was not interrupted because he was being treated unfairly by AEG's lawyers. Everybody knows that depositions are taped and comes with a transcript of said deposition. I believe AEG on this one, and their deposition tapes probably confirms it.

In my opinion, Prince's deposition was stopped because he was NOT helping his Grandmother's case, due to the line of questioning and the answers he was giving.

I mean, if Prince was on a roll and giving the answers necessary to help Mother's case, there is NO way they would have stopped it. They would have had that young man answering questions until the cows came home, if he were helping his Grandmother's case. Just a thought, nothing more.

 

[AngieJ]

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My God is this not depressing. I mean, damn.

 

[Bubs]

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I wonder if it's not a mystake from the journalist.

I don't think so.
I got an impression that it was KJ's attorneys that said it.
First they say Paris and Prince didn't want to sue CM, because he is so nice.
Then the same attorneys says as KJ had the final decision testified CM wasn't sued because his lacking of funding to feed the whole Jackson clan.
My words, not KJ but that she meant.

 

[Bubs]

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I was reading AD's CNN piece again, it cannot get any more one sided if you tried.
He is playing for Jacksons for sure. He writes, how big bad AEG attorneys were trying to deposit poor little Blanket, basically accusing them trying to harm Blanket.
The same way they carried on during the email leak, KJ's lawyers accused AEG lawyers trying to put the blame on leaked emails on Blanket.
If that is not trying to influence possible jury, I don't know what is.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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I don't think so.
I got an impression that it was KJ's attorneys that said it.
First they say Paris and Prince didn't want to sue CM, because he is so nice.
Then the same attorneys says as KJ had the final decision testified CM wasn't sued because his lacking of funding to feed the whole Jackson clan.
My words, not KJ but that she meant.

^ Well realistically what other reason could mrs j give for not pursuing the guy accused of the manslaughter of mj? Prince and paris said they thought he was a good person, but clearly mrs j felt she couldn't say that. Maybe she thinks like jerms and latoya that the murray trial was all a big cover up and he was a finger to a hand, a fall guy and a victim of racial victimisation etc etc but her lawyers advised her, just say financial.

 

[gerryevans]

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In my opinion, Prince's deposition was stopped because he was NOT helping his Grandmother's case, due to the line of questioning and the answers he was giving.

I mean, if Prince was on a roll and giving the answers necessary to help Mother's case, there is NO way they would have stopped it. They would have had that young man answering questions until the cows came home, if he were helping his Grandmother's case. Just a thought, nothing more.

I like that thought. It actually gave me a giggle. I could just imagine Prince sitting up there, saying the wrong thing, and KJ's attorneys' eyes bugging out to the size of their heads, and stopping him.

Yeah,...I like that thought a lot, even if it's not true, gave me some needed humor.

 

[Big Apple2]

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^ Well realistically what other reason could mrs j give for not pursuing the guy accused of the manslaughter of mj? Prince and paris said they thought he was a good person, but clearly mrs j felt she couldn't say that. Maybe she thinks like jerms and latoya that the murray trial was all a big cover up and he was a finger to a hand, a fall guy and a victim of racial victimisation etc etc but her lawyers advised her, just say financial.

She could have said: I'M SEEKING JUSTICE!

I mean, they have no problem using that word when they are giving interviews and/or sending out tweets. So why not use that word when it really matters.

The word JUSTICE "may" have come up, but Mother's attorney must have said: "don't lie, you might as well be truthful and say FINANCIAL."

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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why AEG did not ask for AllGood fiasco to be admitted into the trial ? It ruins Katherine's argument .

I think a better argument is that mrs j and joe, with len rowe, were actually trying to get in on the aeg deal, the one with the terrible schedule of 50 concerts. Randy phillips was in meetings with them so i'm sure that will be brought up if mrs j starts on the unfairness of the aeg contract and how mj was pressured into doing tii. The allgood was just one concert i think so it could be argued it was less stress for mj.

Lastly, I understand your frustrations, but don't take it out on me.

I didn't feel i was taking stuff out on you msmo, that certainly wasn't my intention. I just disagreed with your post and wrote why. As it's a discussion board i think it's fair to expect people to test what we say rather than just get a pass on everything we write, people come back at me on things i write which is fair enough.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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She could have said: I'M SEEKING JUSTICE!

I mean, they have no problem using that word when they are giving interviews and/or sending out tweets. So why not use that word when it really matters.

The word JUSTICE "may" have come up, but Mother's attorney must have said: "don't lie, you might as well be truthful and say FINANCIAL."

How cd she - you mean justice from aeg?

 

[Big Apple2]

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The allgood was just one concert i think so it could be argued it was less stress for mj.

Let's say that Michael did agree to do that ONE AllGood Entertainment Family Reunion Concert and it had been successful. There is NO way the family, would not have pressured Mike to take that Family Reunion all over the world.

I remember after Michael's 30th Anniversary concert, Jermaine started running his mouth about how they would be going on a world tour (including Michael of course). That 30th Anniversary concert was a huge success and there is no way the brothers wanted that to end.

The brothers. The AllGood Honchos. Joe. Rowe. Janet. Rebbie. AND of course Mother. In my opinion, none of them would have been satisfied with just one show. Guarantee, they would not have been satisfied, i.e. "come on Michael, let's take this show all over the world."

(P.S. Of course it would have been successful. EVERYBODY would have come out to see Michael Jackson.)

 

[Big Apple2]

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How cd she - you mean justice from aeg?

Yes, justice from AEG.

Isn't that what they are always saying - WE WANT JUSTICE.

I guess if she had sued for $1.00, she could go with the JUSTICE tag. But since she's suing for 40 BILLION DOLLARS, can't really use the JUSTICE tag, I guess.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^ I think we're at x purposes. Mrs j's answer of 'financial reasons' was to aeg's question of why she's not sueing murray. She can't claim justice for that particular decision. I'm sure aeg never bothered asking her why she's sueing aeg, their assumption is clearly that it's money.

 

[Soundmind]

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I don't think so.
I got an impression that it was KJ's attorneys that said it.
First they say Paris and Prince didn't want to sue CM, because he is so nice.
Then the same attorneys says as KJ had the final decision testified CM wasn't sued because his lacking of funding to feed the whole Jackson clan.
My words, not KJ but that she meant.

Prince and Paris were given papers with questions to answer. Most probably Katherine's lawyers "helped" them write the answers , hoping people would believe the decision not to sue was theirs not Katherine's.

However, when AEG got the judge approval to question Katherine ,she could not keep track of the lies she, her family and their lawyers keep saying, forgot the rehearsed statements and told them the TRUTH , it was a financial decision .

 

[wendy2004]

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Paris says within 2 days before his death Michael said to her Tohme was back on board because he had helped Michael with a house in Las Vegas.

:bugeyed
I guess this doesn't harm the estates case against Tohme, because Paris says 2 days before MJ's death, Tohme was BACK, meaning he was fired.

Paris' statement about Tohme really had me thinking. It pretty much throws a big splash of water on a majority of the conspiracy theories, whether it's mentioned in this trial or not. One of the cornerstones of the theory is that Tohme set Michael up in the AEG deal knowing he couldn't or wouldn't be able to perform the schedule; basically contributing to any pressure Michael felt from AEG.

However, if Michael, himself, hired this man back only two days before he died after all that had happened with the Neverland auction fiasco, the show schedule that was allegedly "too much for him" and all because Tohme found him a house in Vegas???? That speaks volumes. I mean, this is the same man who Michael said caused him to "fear" for his life on that telephone recording.

It shows either Michael was incredibly forgiving OR, it means, like most ppl, he had good days and bad days. On bad days when you were screwing up/screwing him over, you were the enemy and out to get him and he wanted nothing to do with you and at other times....bygones. Tohme was fired in May and almost a month later he was allowed back?

The reason I say this is bad for conspiracy theorists is that Tohme's return indicates just because Michael thought of someone as a "bad guy" at one point, he didn't always stick to it. The threat was obviously not continuous. And some of us, myself included, should probably keep that in mind as this trial unfolds. He was able to change his mind about ppl....probably went back and forth. It's not IMPOSSIBLE. And if he applied that to Tohme, it could have applied to anyone, even ppl many have labeled "bad guys" during the course of the TII preparations. Remember, he claimed he was scared for his LIFE in regards to Tohme. I'm sure we've all heard the tape? Yet, if Paris is being honest, imagine that...Michael forgave him...because of a house. Bygones. If she's being dishonest, well...no comment, for now. Time will surely tell.

I have a funny feeling that Prince's deposition was not interrupted because he was being treated unfairly by AEG's lawyers. Everybody knows that depositions are taped and comes with a transcript of said deposition. I believe AEG on this one, and their deposition tapes probably confirms it.

In my opinion, Prince's deposition was stopped because he was NOT helping his Grandmother's case, due to the line of questioning and the answers he was giving.

I mean, if Prince was on a roll and giving the answers necessary to help Mother's case, there is NO way they would have stopped it. They would have had that young man answering questions until the cows came home, if he were helping his Grandmother's case. Just a thought, nothing more.

I have the same funny feeling.

She could have said: I'M SEEKING JUSTICE!

I mean, they have no problem using that word when they are giving interviews and/or sending out tweets. So why not use that word when it really matters.

The word JUSTICE "may" have come up, but Mother's attorney must have said: "don't lie, you might as well be truthful and say FINANCIAL."

Agree 100%. And the Murray thing is so mind boggling. Even if it was "financial", what happened to the principal of the matter. A "judgment" would have been something to hold over his head in the future. Just becuz Murray may not have two nickels to rub together today doesn't mean he won't have them in the future. And he'd surely have to think twice about exploiting Michael to earn his pennies. At this point, he has free reign. Beyond shameful. Distasteful, in fact.

My opinion of the judge...yeah, it looks like she has some prejudiced bias about Michael's "addict" status. However, when you think about how this case started and what it's now down to, I have to give her credit for seeing thru a lot of hoohaa. She didn't allow herself to be swayed by cherry picked emails, faux smoking guns and whatnot. It's now down to whether or not AEG hired Murray. Thankfully, she won't be the one making the final decision on AEG's culpability. It will be up to the jurors. So far, jurors have been shockingly good with being able to see thru BS when it comes to MJ, mostly when things are laid out for them by comepetent attorneys.

IMO, this will come down to just that. Which attorney can do the best with the evidence they have to work with. So far, we've got an unsigned contract that went thru several revisions and an AEG email that says something about Murray's expectations and that they pay his salary yada yada. Unless there is an email that specifies Murray was expected to pump MJ with propofol and take chances his life, versus provide adequate and competent care like a normal doctor would, no dice...IMO.

Thank you, Ivy for all the updates.

Correction: I stated case was about whether Murray was hired or not. It's whether he was improperly hired/negligently hired. Still no dice, imo. ha.

 

[ivy]

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I have a question regarding CM's jail sentence.
He was sentenced to jail for 4 years, but due the overcrowded jails, he might be released this year. How sure that is that he will be released this year?
I was wondering if he was to be kept there full 4 years, (I think General Attorney, the man who pushed D Walgren aside on interview after verdict) was talking about after sentencing that he tries to keep him in jail all 4 years) and if Jackson's wins this case, that would mean more certain that CM will be out this year? Also how result of this case will effect on his appeal?

this trial is not a factor to murray's criminal conviction. he was sentenced to 4 years and he will serve 2. the prison system shows his expected release date as october 2013.

Paris' statement about Tohme really had me thinking. It pretty much throws a big splash of water on a majority of the conspiracy theories, whether it's mentioned in this trial or not. One of the cornerstones of the theory is that Tohme set Michael up in the AEG deal knowing he couldn't or wouldn't be able to perform the schedule; basically contributing to any pressure Michael felt from AEG.

However, if Michael, himself, hired this man back only two days before he died after all that had happened with the Neverland auction fiasco, the show schedule that was allegedly "too much for him" and all because Tohme found him a house in Vegas???? That speaks volumes. I mean, this is the same man who Michael said caused him to "fear" for his life on that telephone recording.

It shows either Michael was incredibly forgiving OR, it means, like most ppl, he had good days and bad days. On bad days when you were screwing up/screwing him over, you were the enemy and out to get him and he wanted nothing to do with you and at other times....bygones. Tohme was fired in May and almost a month later he was allowed back?

for the record there's nothing to suggest that Tohme was rehired. Paris says "back on board". And the house in Las Vegas was mentioned before. Tohme claimed he was meeting with Michael on June 25 to get a signature for a house and he also returned $5 Million to the Estate stating that it was in his possession for a house. So Michael's later interactions with Tohme could be just about the house.

Paris in this instance just confirms that Michael's latest interactions with Tohme was willingly.

And yes I agree to good days - bad days theory. there are a lot of people in Michael's life that has been fired - rehired and so on.

Paris's statement also hurts the conspiracy theories about TII concerts as she said he was excited for the concerts, happy about the presales and so on. It also shows that he had some complaints about schedule and Randy Phillips. It looks like good-bad, love-hate relationship to me.

 

[wendy2004]

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this trial is not a factor to murray's criminal conviction. he was sentenced to 4 years and he will serve 2. the prison system shows his expected release date as october 2013.



for the record there's nothing to suggest that Tohme was rehired. Paris says "back on board". And the house in Las Vegas was mentioned before. Tohme claimed he was meeting with Michael on June 25 to get a signature for a house and he also returned $5 Million to the Estate stating that it was in his possession for a house. So Michael's later interactions with Tohme could be just about the house.

Paris in this instance just confirms that Michael's latest interactions with Tohme was willingly.

And yes I agree to good days - bad days theory. there are a lot of people in Michael's life that has been fired - rehired and so on.

Paris's statement also hurts the conspiracy theories about TII concerts as she said he was excited for the concerts, happy about the presales and so on. It also shows that he had some complaints about schedule and Randy Phillips. It looks like good-bad, love-hate relationship to me.

Agree. "Hired" was the wrong word to use in that context.

I hope more people are open to this theory. Granted, I get if Michael vented to someone that he was unhappy WHILE he was unhappy and that's all these ppl have to go on, that would be all they have to tell. However, what if on another day, he was quite satisfied and confident and "ready" as was said about his last 2 days and these ppl simply did not get to hear about it. All they have left on their minds is the negative.

 

[marebear]

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I am so disgusted right now. I really don't know how I can stomach this trial like I did with Murray. At least in the Murray trial it felt like someone was on Michael's side. This time it feels like no one is. The nastiness, greed and trashing that will be involved. The hurtful thing is that his family started this. I don't know.

When Michael died I just wanted people to love and respect him. All we hear is just garbage and calling him names and calling an addict and basically saying he had no mind of his own or whatever it may be. I hope his children when they become adults get away from all these people.

 

[Petrarose]

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Big Apple I think you have something there--that Prince was giving answers that would help AEG's side. I can't think of a better reason, since we know AEG provided the tapes which will show what happened. But how foolish the family side could be to make such statements when they knew the depositions are recorded & taped? Simple unscrupulous people.

I hope AEG understands the seriousness of their situation now. If they run with this druggie defense now, they are going to lose, because mother & her experts are going to state that Michael was a druggie & AEG knew, so if stupid AEG keeps hammering on that Michael was a druggie & they could not save him & he could not make too much money, the family will say, "oh so you knew that all along & saw his behavior after the doctor treated him & did nothing?" They better resist the great urge to continue trashing Michael, & start showing Michael was this kind soul who was taken advantage of by a greedy unethical doctor, & they knew they would make millions with Michael, thus they had no desire to have him ill-treated by any doc, which is why they told him to wait for one in London. They need to show that Muarry represented himself as an ethical & licensed doc & they are not licensed to supervise doctors who are their clients private staff.

It seems to me that AEG is fighting this case as though the case is against Michael vs AEG, because all their weapons seem to be directed against Michael, rather than showing why they did not hire Muarry.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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How can the trial last three months when theres only one count left? if all have stood it would have lasted years!? makes no sense

 

[MJ*PP]

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sometimes i have a this feeling that they could make an account here and benefit from all the theories, opinions, ideas and proofs here

pretty sure itll be easier for all of 'em

 

[marebear]

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Why doesn't AEG treat Michael like the adult he was unlike his family. Just because you hear stories in the media about drug problems doesn't make it true. Michael did have issues that he admitted to but it doesn't mean people don't recover and given a chance. Look at Robert Downey Jr. Michael was never like that but Robert was given a chance. AEG believed in Michael or else they would not have given him a chance. His autopsy didn't show this big drug problem that people keep trying to shove down our throats.

Michael wanted to sleep and AEG and not even his mother knew about it and knew what he and Murray were doing. AEG knew as much as Michael wanted them to know. Same with his family. He wanted them to know what he wanted. He trusted Murray and Murray neglected him. Murray killed him and nobody is giving him the attention. The anger should be towards him because he is a professional doctor and knew what he was doing wasn't right but he did it for the money.

If the family wins I won't have any respect for them because it's clear the value money more than their son or brother. Blood. If AEG wins I have no respect for them either because I think they didn't treat Michael with a lot of respect.

I am so sick and tired of people of giving Murray a pass at what he did. I am tired of people using Michael for money and trying to paint him out to be a crazy out of control addict when nothing has been shown to prove that when he died. It's like everyone including his family are blaming Michael for his own death. All people care about is money.

 

[Prometheus77]

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Agree. "Hired" was the wrong word to use in that context.

I hope more people are open to this theory. Granted, I get if Michael vented to someone that he was unhappy WHILE he was unhappy and that's all these ppl have to go on, that would be all they have to tell. However, what if on another day, he was quite satisfied and confident and "ready" as was said about his last 2 days and these ppl simply did not get to hear about it. All they have left on their minds is the negative.

Well... that's the general problem with fans. They only see black or white. They only go from one extreme to the other. No one sees the possibilities of there being greys. If he's unhappy with one aspect on one day, that doesn't mean he's unhappy with another aspect (or the whole thing) on another day.

 

[Petrarose]

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Well... that's the general problem with fans. They only see black or white. They only go from one extreme to the other. No one sees the possibilities of there being greys. If he's unhappy with one aspect on one day, that doesn't mean he's unhappy with another aspect (or the whole thing) on another day.

^^But that is not a problem generic to fans. There are several fans on this board who do not see things in only black or only white. Actually no fan sees things in only black or white. What may happen is that a fan may be more unforgiving toward a person, so the fan sticks to that one idea. The fan knows there is more to the person, but is not backing down on forgiving. When you say that is the general problem with fans are you putting yourself in that "fan group." If you are then I apologize.

The relevance of the black/white idea to the case is that Michael may have said AEG is killing me one day. If he said this to only one person, like Paris, the family could take that one instance and run with it to represent the general idea Michael had of AEG's behavior, which may be wrong. They are not going to hunt down other days when he was happy with the people, so they are seeing things in Black or white only. The days Michael was happy with AEG's behavior, he might not have said that to anyone at the house. So lawyers can use one idea to fit a case. It depends on the people or situation.

 

[jamba]

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I personally hate it that the kids are being forced into this. I also think their testimony has limited value b/c what Michael told them could have been filtered by what he thought was good or right for them to hear--in other words, he edited what he said in order not to upset them, trouble them, etc. He told them what would make them feel good, happy, secure.

Most responsible parents do not unload their problems, esp. all their problems, on their kids, and I think he was a responsible parent.

 

[Prometheus77]

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^^But that is not a problem generic to fans. There are several fans on this board who do not see things in only black or only white. Actually no fan sees things in only black or white. What may happen is that a fan may be more unforgiving toward a person, so the fan sticks to that one idea. The fan knows there is more to the person, but is not backing down on forgiving. When you say that is the general problem with fans are you putting yourself in that "fan group." If you are then I apologize.

No. I don't. As I don't see black or white. I see greys. I don't condemn the Jacksons for this lawsuit. I don't particularly agree with it, but I can see why they are doing it. And whatever people may think about the sum they're asking. At least there is a trial. There might be some more answers to what has happened beyond Murray.

And I don't know what glasses you wear to see what you see, but I see that people view this thing totally black or white. To them there is no middle ground and the Jacksons are devils and only after money.