[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[elusive moonwalker]

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Ah ok i see. thanks. guess aeg arent that bad if they are getting a few bucks to be on the under card

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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Proposed verdict form from Katherine. AEG disagrees with this form

Admittedly i'm not a jury member, but on the evidence out there i'm not managing to get past question 1 - and this is the jacksonian version of the verdict form.

So in question 1, it's negligent hiring, retaining or supervision, just needs to be one of those? And question 2, this negligence was a main factor in mj's death - i was thinking it was overdose of prop so how anyone vaguely sensible will link it to a dodgy credit rating of the doctor or aeg asking for mj's presence at rehearsals which seemed to begin mid afternoon will be v interesting to see.

 

[shelly_webster]

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Jackson brothers don't see anything wrong doing a show @ Staples center, isn't that AEG owned?
You have to wonder that AEG even let them to do concert in their premises, and you have to wonder even more, aren't brothers scared in case AEG kills them too?

THE Jacksons at Staples Center in Los Angeles

Sun Jun 30 2013 - Mon Jul 01 2013 - 19:00 - 0:00

@ Staples Center in Los Angeles

Don't forget that

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...3070648.-2207520000.1363705076&type=3&theater

 

[Bubs]

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^^:bugeyed

Admittedly i'm not a jury member, but on the evidence out there i'm not managing to get past question 1 - and this is the jacksonian version of the verdict form.

Jacksonian version
You've been Jacksonised:busted:

I'm actually surprised that they bothered to come up with 2 questions before subject of money was brought in. Why they just didn't make it:
check here if you want to award Jackson for $40 BILLION
or
check here is you want to award Jacksons for $ 4 million

Btw, have they got the same form for kids or is this form reserved to Katherine only?

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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Is the unity tour promoted by aeg live?? - i missed that. Explains why jerms was shifting the blame of mj's death in that guardian interview onto sony all of a sudden.

all true and I agree but also don't forget that the contract says he's hired on Michael's request, being paid by Michael's share and is an independent contractor. So that just makes AEG the middle man who is advancing the money.

I think the issue is AEG hired murray because of mj. yes AEG hired murray but they hired him the same as they hired karen faye or kenny ortega. and that was because of mj. mj said i want murray i want faye and aeg then sorted that for him. they didnt pick and hire him. To me murrays relationship with mj pre AEG is a big hurdle for the family.

But on the narrow legal issue of whether aeg hired murray, it's irrelevant isn't it as to whether he was an independent contractor (that was only an issue on the other count of respondent something or other), also whether he was known to aeg or mj or who recommended him - it's just the issue of whether he was hired not why. I guess those issues are for when you consider damages. Also for the arguement aeg are merely middle men, shuffling the money, you have the 'smoking gun email'.

I just think the hiring aspect is all the jacksons have got, whichis why they're pushing it in statements - simplifying it down to the soundbite aeg hired the man who killed mj. It's the connection between hiring a doctor who did something so extreme and so unforeseeable which is the issue that i have not seen anything approaching even a halfway reasonable argument for.

 

[Bubs]

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03/21/2013 at 08:45 am in department 28 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference(jt 4-2-13)

Two days to go before Final status conference. I hope Katherine comes to her senses and make this stop.
Otherwise I'm going to have to resort to this

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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I'm actually surprised that they bothered to come up with 2 questions before subject of money was brought in. Why they just didn't make it:
check here if you want to award Jackson for $40 BILLION
or
check here is you want to award Jacksons for $ 4 million

That was probably the first draft. I'm imagining the family filing into court each day humming bruno mars's song, 'i want to be a billionaire so freaking bad' - perhaps as a subliminal code to the jury.

 

[Bubs]

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That was probably the first draft. I'm imagining the family filing into court each day humming bruno mars's song, 'i want to be a billionaire so freaking bad' - perhaps as a subliminal code to the jury.

It could be worse, like the following instructions to jury:

 

[ivy]

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Admittedly i'm not a jury member, but on the evidence out there i'm not managing to get past question 1 - and this is the jacksonian version of the verdict form.

So in question 1, it's negligent hiring, retaining or supervision, just needs to be one of those? And question 2, this negligence was a main factor in mj's death - i was thinking it was overdose of prop so how anyone vaguely sensible will link it to a dodgy credit rating of the doctor or aeg asking for mj's presence at rehearsals which seemed to begin mid afternoon will be v interesting to see.

I'm pretty sure AEG at least wants to add "did any of the defendants hired Murray ? yes no" question to start with and remove some of the damages.

 

[Tygger]

That's why at least for fans there would have been some solace, albeit minor, with the restitution. It would mean he was always in some tangible way paying for his crime, which would always remind HIM of it. Even though he doesn't think he did anything wrong, it would have made me happy knowing regardless of what he thinks, he'd still be being punished. That was the value of the restitution, not any dollar figure he'd actually be able to generate.

Gerryevans, I appreciate what you said because I think I understand the restitution issue more. Still, if fans feel the doctor was not punished appropriately by the State, how can fans push the punishment responsibility solely on the family? Restitution cannot be used as solace for fans. Fans do not figure into restitution at all unless they become part of the public support for the doctor.

I never heard any Jackson say they are pursing AEG for money so how was that discovered?

That is unclear so I’ll rephrase: the Jacksons are pursing AEG in civil trial so the result will be damages if successful. The plaintiffs have to prove AEG is blameworthy FIRST. If the plaintiffs just wanted money, they would have been pursuing a settlement instead of the continuance of the trial.

Individuals will see what they want to see in those interviews. There is no documented proof the family is not angry at the doctor or less angry at the doctor than AEG.

 

[Big Apple2]

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If the plaintiffs just wanted money, they would have been pursuing a settlement instead of the continuance of the trial.

I'm sure the plaintiffs want money, BILLIONS of dollars as a matter of fact, but they just can't PURSUE a settlement. LOL! That's not how it works.

i.e. They just can't walk up to AEG and say we would like to pursue a settlement.

P.S. In my opinion, if they were not interested in an AEG Windfall, they would have been sueing for $1.00, because they didn't want money, they were trying to make a point.

 

[gerryevans]

Gerryvans, restitution cannot be used as solace for fans. Fans do not figure into restitution at all unless they become part of the public support for the doctor.

It cannot be used as solace for YOU. For this fan, the thought that the arrogant wreckless Conrad Murray would forever have a huge debt over his head, gave ME solace.

That is unclear so I’ll rephrase: the Jacksons are pursing AEG in civil trial so the result will be damages if successful. The plaintiffs have to prove AEG is blameworthy FIRST. If the plaintiffs just wanted money, they would have been pursuing a settlement instead of the continuance of the trial.

My opinion differs from yours. I believe they're going for a trial because they believe they'll get a bigger reward. And no where has AEG ever indicated they would settle, so it's either a trial, or nothing. And since all of the plaintiffs allegations have been dismissed but one, seems the AEG stanz has been the prudent one....so far.

Individuals will see what they want to see in those interviews. There is no documented proof the family is not angry at the doctor or less angry at the doctor than AEG.

I agree that we do tend to see what we want. But I didn't in this case. The last thing I wanted to see was the Jacksons minimize the role of Conrad Murray in the death of Michael.

 

[Big Apple2]

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I agree that we do tend to see what we want. But I didn't in this case. The last thing I wanted to see was the Jacksons minimize the role of Conrad Murray in the death of Michael.

Yeah, Jermaine and his latest stance, which is "Murray is just a finger on the hand that killed Michael."

Of course Mr. Jacksun NEVER says who those other 4 fingers belong to. Which, in my opinion, makes him sound like a clueless fool, who will say anything in order to get his name in print.

(I also would have found a bit of solace if Mother had gone after Murray and made his life a living nightmare, just like the Goldmans did to O.J.)

 

[LastTear]

Gerryevans, I appreciate what you said because I think I understand the restitution issue more. Still, if fans feel the doctor was not punished appropriately by the State, how can fans push the punishment responsibility solely on the family? Restitution cannot be used as solace for fans. Fans do not figure into restitution at all unless they become part of the public support for the doctor.



That is unclear so I’ll rephrase: the Jacksons are pursing AEG in civil trial so the result will be damages if successful. The plaintiffs have to prove AEG is blameworthy FIRST. If the plaintiffs just wanted money, they would have been pursuing a settlement instead of the continuance of the trial.

Individuals will see what they want to see in those interviews. There is no documented proof the family is not angry at the doctor or less angry at the doctor than AEG.

The thing is Murray does not need fans support in order to make money following his release, the general public is interested enough in Michael Jackson, just look at all the salacious articles about Michael, nobody writing those are trying to please Michael's fans.

And yes, I too would take solace for the fact that Murray was not filling his pockets on the back of the life he took.

 

[Big Apple2]

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The thing is Murray does not need fans support in order to make money following his release, the general public is interested enough in Michael Jackson, just look at all the salacious articles about Michael, nobody writing those are trying to please Michael's fans.

And another point would be, it doesn't matter how many people watch a Murray interview or purchase a Murray book.

He would still be paid for any interview before it's aired. He would be paid some type of book advance before a book hit the book store shelf.

A bigger, interested audience would definitely play into his asking price, but regardless of the audience size, his murdering behind would STILL be paid.

 

[LastTear]

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And another point would be, it doesn't matter how many people watch a Murray interview or purchase a Murray book.

He would still be paid for any interview before it's aired. He would be paid some type of book advance before a book hit the book store shelf.

A bigger, interested audience would definitely play into his asking price, but regardless of the audience size, his murdering behind would STILL be paid.

Absolutely. I hope I'm wrong but I keep imagining the media and $ fight there will be to obtain Murray's first interview. Hell, there has to be a reason the instrument is sticking around.

 

[Big Apple2]

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Absolutely. I hope I'm wrong but I keep imagining the media and $ fight there will be to obtain Murray's first interview. Hell, there has to be a reason the instrument is sticking around.

I'll also add all of those attorneys who are hanging around his behind for NO pay.

They ain't hanging around for an appeal, that is likely to go nowhere. In my opinion, they are sticking around because they too know there is money to be made with Murray interviews and/or a Murray book.

And since Michael Jackson is a WORLDWIDE figure, interest in what Murray "may" have to say can come from any where in the world, in my opinion.

I hope the Jacksons are happy when Murray starts running his mouth, not just about Michael, but about THEM also.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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I have to say i see restitution as symbolic only. There are a myriad of ways murray can get a voice in the media without any payment being made to him. For example that doc shown after the trial, the makers made it v clear they didn't pay anything to murray, but it seemed a large sum of money was paid to his lawyers. Under restitution, i imagine media people can just arrange to have money paid to his gf or children or in 'expenses'. In any case i cannot see any media org admitting they're paying a felon dirrectly for pr purposes if nothing else so personally i don't see restitution making a a practical difference to murray making some kind of money out of the media.

I also agree with tygger, and disagree totally with some posts which say murray will be commanding $millions from the media when he gets out. He's not a celeb, he's a sleazy doctor who committed manslaughter. I am 100% certain he will not get 'millions' in a book deal - what on earth would his market be - fans wouldn't touch it, the general public just see him as some icky doctor who put mj in a coma every night who'll be selling some tawdry tales on mj and there's a ton of mj books on the market already - the sullivan book tanked bigtime. I predict no respectable publishing house will offer any lucrative deal to murray - he's toxic. I can see murray getting some articles in some low rent tabloids but that's it. Anyway we'll see soon enough what happens as unfortunately he's out b the end of the year.

 

[Big Apple2]

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I have to say i see restitution as symbolic only. There are a myriad of ways murray can get a voice in the media without any payment being made to him. For example that doc shown after the trial, the makers made it v clear they didn't pay anything to murray, but it seemed a large sum of money was paid to his lawyers. Under restitution, i imagine media people can just arrange to have money paid to his gf or children or in 'expenses'. In any case i cannot see any media org admitting they're paying a felon dirrectly for pr purposes if nothing else so personally i don't see restitution making a a practical difference to murray making some kind of money out of the media.

Media types have been making the "we do not pay for interview" claims for years now. But it's just not true. There are many, MANY ways for a subject to be paid by these media outlets.

I remember when Casey Anthony's trial was over and her attorney went on record to say that her defense was basically paid by ABC news.

Another one of my concerns would have to be IF Murray has any more of his secretly recorded one-sided talks with Michael. How much do you think the media would pay for such a recording?

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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There were rumours the 5 or so mins played in court was a longer phone recording where the family got bashed,- i kind of was hoping walgren would have deleted it when they handed back all the evidence back to murray. I'm certainly not naive as regards the media esp in relation to mj, but there is something really really distasteful in any media org obtaining and exposing an illegally taped recording of a murder victim from the doctor who killed him through gross negligence.

Media types have been making the "we do not pay for interview" claims for years now. But it's just not true. There are many, MANY ways for a subject to be paid by these media outlets.

Yes, that's what i mean. Media orgs can be sneaky in how they pay for stories, so avoiding the barriers that 'restitution' would throw up.

 

[Big Apple2]

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There were rumours the 5 or so mins played in court was a longer phone recording where the family got bashed,-

Yes, I remember that also.

I believe there was a report on Good Morning America wherein they "teased" that they would be playing the portion of Murray's tape wherein Michael was supposedly speaking about his family and how they always wanted something from him.

To my knowledge, although it was teased, it was never actually played on the air.

Those muthers in the media don't care about anything aside from RATINGS and being able to say they have AN EXCLUSIVE. Especially those morning shows in America. They're all in a real dog fight right now, trying to be on top and stay on top. Most of them would probably throw their own momma's under the bus, if it meant they would come out on top.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^ I guess you'll have a better idea of the boundaries of good taste in the us tv market. In the uk at the mo, we have just had the leveson enqiry into press ethics and a whole tranche of 'journalists' arrested and charged on various offences of invasion of privacy, so here the media are going to be on their tippy toes for at least some time.

To go backto murray, i do remember in that documentary immediately after the trial, it was on channel 4 and really didn't get good ratings, and it was just after his conviction, when interest would be at the highest. I remember there were a few really unsavoury anecdotes that murray had about mj that were in one of the overseas tv versions of the doc, something about bed wetting and something about being abused by joe - just really personal stuff. And it never appeared in the uk version - it would have been deliberately deleted as even a rubbish anit-mj channel like ch4 knew there were some things that you just don't do, ie break patient/doctor confidentiality to reveal sensationalist stories esp when you're the doc who killed the patient.

 

[LastTear]

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^^^^ It was first shown on C4 before his conviction, I remember seeing it before.

 

[Tygger]

I'm sure the plaintiffs want money, BILLIONS of dollars as a matter of fact, but they just can't PURSUE a settlement. LOL! That's not how it works.

i.e. They just can't walk up to AEG and say we would like to pursue a settlement.

P.S. In my opinion, if they were not interested in an AEG Windfall, they would have been sueing for $1.00, because they didn't want money, they were trying to make a point.

Big Apple2, it actually can work that way if you can get the legal system to work in your favor. Ask the Chandlers.

Gerryevans and others: restitution was supposed to be solace for the family not fans and it would mostly be symbolic (great points Bonnie Blue). It would also be a hardship on the family. If fans dislike the family for whatever reason, there is not much any Jackson can do or say to change that.

If the family cannot get justice because of the conviction on the lesser charge and “symbolic” restitution from the doctor, the law allows them every $1 the jury awards them if AEG is proven blameworthy.

Correct me if I am wrong: the doctor’s appeal lawyer is court appointed so the taxpayers pay. I thought the longer playing tape was a rumor as well.

 

[Aquarius]

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I don't know. the time period between June 25 2009 and the verdict day in 2013? could it be the past? and the future being the future

That's what I also thought but wouldn't that be deceiving? Since she doesn't want to have the allowance admitted in court, the jurors might think she has no money since Michael was the one supporting her.

Also, if by chance, the jurors come with what they heard on tv: like the estate earning money & not giving money to Katherine, Mann saying he was trying to do bus. with Katherine to help her financially; all those things might influence the jurors. That's kind of hiding facts.

 

[gerryevans]

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Gerryevans and others: restitution was supposed to be solace for the family not fans and it would mostly be symbolic (great points Bonnie Blue). It would also be a hardship on the family. If fans dislike the family for whatever reason, there is not much any Jackson can do or say to change those feelings is there?.

Tygger,, we're talking about feelings here. I would have felt solace because I deeply cared for MJ and symbolic or not, it would have been emotionally satisfying to me to know Conrad Murray had that restitution hanging over his head. I don't have to be his family to feel this way, just like I didn't have to be his family to deeply grieve for him as millions did.

Plus, I don't know how restitution would pose as this great hardship for his family, but I'd think going after a multi billion dollar corporation wouldn't be a cakewalk.

But I think this is going to be one of those respectfully agree to disagree areas, so I'll leave it that. Thx for your thoughts.

 

[Aquarius]

Ivy, thanks for correcting.

Severus Snape, if I called the doctor what I would like I would be banned.

Aquarius, restitution isn’t always automatic. When the defendant gains income, the justice system does not keep track for you at all times. The family has to keep track of the defendant and if they earn income. When the family suspects income, they have to retain a lawyer so they can collect. The judge decides if the income comes under the judgment. Damages are awarded provided the income is still there. If not, the family lawyer has to do more work: finding where the income went and trying to recover it.

That is not easy. I sympathize with the Goldmans for doing that for YEARS! It’s a hardship whether you receive payment or not.

The Jacksons can only go after AEG through civil court. If AEG is found guilty, the only way the company suffers is through monetary compensation; they are not going to do time. The jury will decides the damage amount if the plaintiffs are successful. I am not the only person wanting to see if they are blameworthy. It seems to be a very popular topic here.

This world is pathetic if a convicted killer will receive millions for an interview, book, etc. I have never heard of that happening. Why is there more anger at him being paid for whatever based on sick public demand than to watch him walk free at the end of this year?

Mr. Goldmans, I think, is doing what he can to make OJ pay for what he did to his son. But simply put, the Goldmans are trying to get every cent from OJ not to make money out of a dead son or just to fill their pockets but just to make OJ's life miserable. The Jacksons are doing it because they're greedy, want to make money out of a dead son/brother & want to fill their pockets.

Who told you people are not angry at watching Conrad walk out of prison. As far as I remember, many people wanted him to be charged with first degree murder but the DA knew better. See the whole picture, Conrad walks free in short time & there's a great chance that he might start selling stories & making money. The justice department did its part, Michael's family did not do theirs.

 

[Aquarius]

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If jury agree with Jackson's, I would love to see $ 1 in each row.

If their intention was bring justice, the $1.00 will be perfect justice. After all, they said they were after justice and not after money, right?

 

[8701girl]

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Jackson brothers don't see anything wrong doing a show @ Staples center, isn't that AEG owned?
You have to wonder that AEG even let them to do concert in their premises, and you have to wonder even more, aren't brothers scared in case AEG kills them too?

THE Jacksons at Staples Center in Los Angeles

Sun Jun 30 2013 - Mon Jul 01 2013 - 19:00 - 0:00

@ Staples Center in Los Angeles

Oh yeh totally forgot that staples center is owned by AEG .....kinda hypocritical coming the jacksons aye

 

[8701girl]

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:agree:that is what hurts and :mat: me the MOST... The kids are just being 'played' and 'terrorized' aka 'Jacksonized' :blink:

I'm 'afraid' a lot of the stuff Prince is gonna say is gonna be 'forced feed' by Granny 'cause after all MONEY is IMPORTANT, kids :yes:
NOT DIGNITY or MANNERS :smilerolleyes:

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Yes this is what i fear the most! and i m hoping michael taught prince bout the jacksons can be and like michael, i think prince wants to think the best of them and doesnt want to acknowledge them using him.