[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[jamba]

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You see who they really are now, there is no doubt aobut that. That entire clan behaves in a chilling manner. There is not a single good one among them. The only good one is now deceased, and that was our Michael. I don't care for his family at all, and I try to stay out of anything which involves them, which is why I have been largely scarce for this whole Jacksons vs. AEG saga. I honestly could not care any less who wins or who loses, since we all lose at the end of the day because Michael is dead. They're fighting over pure follies, but I suppose that is the only thing which has ever mattered to them.

The only reason I am here is because it just so happens that those who support the Jacksons have intertwined someone whom I actually care about. And, of course, the children, too, who unfortunately find themselves stuck in the middle of what seems to be an unnecessary chaos.

What infuriates me the most, however, is that October draws ever so close, and these a--holes let the actual murderer loose with what is basically a slap on the wrist because they were too busy eyeing the payout (which only really exists in their heads) from this obviously frivolous lawsuit. I have no words for these people, and I need a bottle of TUMS among other things to even come close to stomaching them.

I hear you, Severus. I get very depressed sometimes that Michael is gone and it seems to some people they are just doing the same things they always did--they haven't changed--not the media, not the Jacksons. It's as if it never happened that he died. They keep "hustlin, stealin, lying--you just want to be startin somethin." Makes me want to hide away, and when fans defend the family, I just don't get it.

 

[passy001]

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^^But it could be that the allegations reduced his popularity as a person but not as an artist touring or making good music to sell. That is why there are people who believe in the allegations but still buy and dance to Michael's music. That is why TII was a sell out with hundreds of people waiting for tickets, so to me the TII response is a better indicator of how much Michael could earn & not the allegations. However, I do see their claim that an artist does not make the amount the family is asking as being true.

The problem is that MJ had no one interested in working with him really due to the constant negative media coverage, Live Nation wouldn't even touch him. AEG was perhaps the only big legitimate touring entity willing to give it a shot.
MJ struggled to attract sponsors due to his chronic image problems. I mean MJ was the only big artist unable to earn sponsorship deals due to his negative image. many marketing firms rated him as a "high risk". the fact that he was unpredictable did not help. plus the constant lawsuits after failed business ventures. 2 seas records with the prince of Bahrain springs to mind. MJ also was constantly mismanaged and surrounded my charlatans giving him extremely poor advice, which also diminished his ability to do well financially.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

MICHAEL JACKSON
Kids, Mom Want
OVER $40 BIL!!!
EXCLUSIVEMichael Jackson's 3 children and his mom Katherine want in excess of $40 BILLION from AEG Live for the death of the singer ... TMZ has learned.

We've obtained legal docs which now lay out what Prince, Paris, Blanket and Katherine want from the entertainment company for its alleged negligent hiring and supervision of Dr. Conrad Murray.

The kids want $10 billion for all of the future earnings they claim MJ would have scored had he lived.

They want an additional $50 million for various other damages.

AEG Live claims the $40 billion is preposterous because Michael's career was in a downward spiral following the child molestation allegations, as well as self-imposed exile in the Middle East. They claim the damage claim is based on rank speculation.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Nf9sJir8


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Ivy's note : This TMZ story is true. I have the documents. They are wanting $50 million per person in damages and $10 Billion in lost income per person. So that means even just damages this lawsuit means $200 Million ( 4 x $50 M) and it could result in at most $40 Billion +200 Million.

This is sickening. TMZ uses kids name first on their title, like the amount of money is kids idea! I don't believe for second kids are asking anything, its the Katherine and Co who wants money so much that they have gone crazy!

What is more sickening is that Radon online published the very same story days ago, and it wasn't that bad at all. Now TMZ publishes the very same story, but uses scandalous and disgusting words in their piece. TMZ's story gets picked up by every paper and media outlet in every country, with their words:angry:

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

He is not unscrupulous, or a rat, actually. Do you even know him? Didn't think so.

But yes, this is all Taaj Malik's doing. She is the only party to blame. It's not in his nature to be unscrupulous and horrible. But it is Taaj's nature to be that way. She's an evil being, and she is the one who is getting her idiot minions to pressure Alan into doing stuff. He probably doesn't understand how evil these people actually are, and it's a shame, because he is not that way at all.

I've come across some of TM tweets, and reading them is like looking into self-induced mental illness directly in the eye.
I assume, they don't have other means to contact on AD, so they tweet to Alan. If Alan believes those tweets and doesn't see how sick this person is, then he deserve to be called unscrupulous.
He was supposed to be proper reporter, who the hell believes some mental case's tweets?

 

[Bubs]

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Funny ^^ I was going to say the same thing!! Sure Michael may tell his child what he is doing & about plans, but to use the word "consulted," him on business deals seems to me a little extreme. Now I wonder what images the family implanted in these children's minds during the years they resided with Katherine? Depending on what the children say, we will know what percent of it came from the family. If we hear stories about how Michael planted notes about saying AEG was evil, Micahel telling them AEG wanted to kill him for the catalog, or AEG was controlling him, we know the kid is helping out his grandma.

Seriously what family will willingly bring a child into a case like this? That should have been the main focus of this article ^^, not the fact that Prince says he is ready to testify.

Something I was thinking about is that Michael's kids love Katherine, & know that she is suing AEG & they are part of it. Now, since they love this woman, don't you think they think she has their best interest at heart & therefore wouldn't they believe in the claims of this suit? They have been with these people for years now. I know Prince said grandma was misguided when she returned home & he heard what she had to say, but that was about her children, who Michael told him about. Did Michael tell him about grandma's greedy ways? I don't know. So it could well be that Prince and his siblings, might really believe that AEG had a direct hand in causing Michael's death, because grandma said so. If we remember last summer, all Paris wanted was to have her loving grandma home safe, so this loving grandma must be going through all this for their benefit.

I'm starting to be seriously worried about kids, and how much they have been "Jacksonized":no:
It is seriously worrying to what lengths Katherine is willing to go for her cubs, but there is no love for PPB. They are used as a pawn in very sick game.

I took this from Ivy's twitter, sorry Ivy, this is what Walgren thought of bringing in the kids to trial:
David Walgren: My feeling was that the children had already had to experience enough trauma and I did not want to compound that by having them endure testifying in such a highly publicized setting about such an emotional and painful experience.

This is someone totally stranger to kids and have no emotional attachment to PPB, but he still thought what is best for kids.
Cannot say the same thing for granny.

 

[Bubs]

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How can Katherine can ask $ 50 million when alive, Michael didn't not support Katherine that much?
Shouldn't she be asking the estimate amount what MJ possible could have given to her?

 

[Daryll748]

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I'm starting to be seriously worried about kids, and how much they have been "Jacksonized":no:
It is seriously worrying to what lengths Katherine is willing to go for her cubs, but there is no love for PPB. They are used as a pawn in very sick game.

I took this from Ivy's twitter, sorry Ivy, this is what Walgren thought of bringing in the kids to trial:
David Walgren: My feeling was that the children had already had to experience enough trauma and I did not want to compound that by having them endure testifying in such a highly publicized setting about such an emotional and painful experience.

This is someone totally stranger to kids and have no emotional attachment to PPB, but he still thought what is best for kids.
Cannot say the same thing for granny.

:agree:that is what hurts and :mat: me the MOST... The kids are just being 'played' and 'terrorized' aka 'Jacksonized' :blink:

I'm 'afraid' a lot of the stuff Prince is gonna say is gonna be 'forced feed' by Granny 'cause after all MONEY is IMPORTANT, kids :yes:
NOT DIGNITY or MANNERS :smilerolleyes:

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

MICHAEL JACKSON
Kids, Mom Want
OVER $40 BIL!!!
EXCLUSIVEMichael Jackson's 3 children and his mom Katherine want in excess of $40 BILLION from AEG Live for the death of the singer ... TMZ has learned.

We've obtained legal docs which now lay out what Prince, Paris, Blanket and Katherine want from the entertainment company for its alleged negligent hiring and supervision of Dr. Conrad Murray.

The kids want $10 billion for all of the future earnings they claim MJ would have scored had he lived.

They want an additional $50 million for various other damages.

AEG Live claims the $40 billion is preposterous because Michael's career was in a downward spiral following the child molestation allegations, as well as self-imposed exile in the Middle East. They claim the damage claim is based on rank speculation.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz2Nf9sJir8


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Ivy's note : This TMZ story is true. I have the documents. They are wanting $50 million per person in damages and $10 Billion in lost income per person. So that means even just damages this lawsuit means $200 Million ( 4 x $50 M) and it could result in at most $40 Billion +200 Million.

I don't understand the reasoning that you might earn more if you have more children..what would they have claimed if Michael had had 8,9, or 10 children? The mind boggles.

I can imagine them coming up with a $10 billion lifetime figure, perhaps including all his catalogue and other earnings (which continue anyway, so not a loss) , plus probably a large compound interest multiplier to account for inflation over 25+ years......but not then to multiply the result by the number of expected recipients....

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

The problem is that MJ had no one interested in working with him really due to the constant negative media coverage, Live Nation wouldn't even touch him. AEG was perhaps the only big legitimate touring entity willing to give it a shot.
MJ struggled to attract sponsors due to his chronic image problems. I mean MJ was the only big artist unable to earn sponsorship deals due to his negative image. many marketing firms rated him as a "high risk". the fact that he was unpredictable did not help. plus the constant lawsuits after failed business ventures. 2 seas records with the prince of Bahrain springs to mind. MJ also was constantly mismanaged and surrounded my charlatans giving him extremely poor advice, which also diminished his ability to do well financially.

As much as it hurt to read you post, but you are right. The fact is that when AEG and MJ signed the contract, AEG did not have an idea how well MJ's concerts would be received, and how many concerts he will be doing. MJ image took a serious blow from the trial, as well as other things that was on tabloids since 2005 trial.

I wonder if MJ was thinking doing Allgood concert with family, but when AEG game along, he ditched Allgood for AEG, as AEG is bigger, has more money to put into his big scale concerts?

 

[Petrarose]

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The problem is that MJ had no one interested in working with him really due to the constant negative media coverage, Live Nation wouldn't even touch him. AEG was perhaps the only big legitimate touring entity willing to give it a shot.

Again this is prior to 09 & the family is asking for money from what he would earn if he did not die. TII showed he could make money again because millions wanted to buy tickets to see him, so the impact of the allegations in 09 was different. They cannot on one had say oh look how much he was in demand in 09, & then say oh the past allegations would make him unable to earn good money after 09. The family lawyer is going to attack this during trial if this case gets to go there. Anyway AEG made Michael pay for everything, so any other company could have done the same, so they stand to lose nothing--the same way AEG lost nothing. AEG should have stuck to the math as gerryevans said, but they could not resist kicking this man one more time.

Myosotis where did you read the part about "you might earn more if you have more children." I thought they were claiming that they wanted X amount for each child, meaning each live person, e.g., Prince.

 

[Pimboli]

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Again this is prior to 09 & the family is asking for money from what he would earn if he did not die.

and what if Michael actually meant "this is it" when he said "this is the final curtain call"? What if he had done the 02 shows and the retired and focused on raising his kids? I mean, how can the Jacksons prove that Michael was gonna do future tours, cd's and what not?

 

[Petrarose]

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and what if Michael actually meant "this is it" when he said "this is the final curtain call"? What if he had done the 02 shows and the retired and focused on raising his kids? I mean, how can the Jacksons prove that Michael was gonna do future tours, cd's and what not?

Well he meant touring, not that he would never do anything again in his life to generate money. Micael had notes about projects he was working on while negotiating with TII. We have some of those in the forum. The thing is the family have no proof that Michael would make that ridiculous amount, which of course he cannot make, but that does not mean there were no other ways for Michael to make money other than touring. He would still make millions per year. AEG is right when they say Michael would not make that kind of money. I only question one of the things they use to support that. How come they did not say he was too old to generate that kinds of money? I find that a more persuasive argument, but hey it is not politically correct to use age as an argument, so they use something that they feel is more acceptable.

 

[Pimboli]

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Well he meant touring, not that he would never do anything again in his life to generate money

i know. But the family have used future concerts to come up with that ridiculous amount... that's what i meant

 

[Petrarose]

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i know. But the family have used future concerts to come up with that ridiculous amount... that's what i meant

Oh I see. Sorry Pimboli. As you know the family is ridiculous. They have this idea that Michael would tour with them. Personally, I think Michael would have done a tour after TII, but not an extensive one like the Bad tour, and it would not include the brothers. Maybe a spaced out short thing in a few countries just to please his fans. However, I feel the bulk of his business would have come from other avenues. He did not like to tour, & I can't see him doing this for years after 09 the way the family is implying. But then, who believes in what the family says anyway.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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mj out a statement out in late 08 that he wouldnt work with the family when they kept going on about reunions. if im remembering right? aeg was long before allgood. No way mj wanted anything to do with working with them hence the statement

As much as it hurt to read you post, but you are right. The fact is that when AEG and MJ signed the contract, AEG did not have an idea how well MJ's concerts would be received, and how many concerts he will be doing. MJ image took a serious blow from the trial, as well as other things that was on tabloids since 2005 trial.

I wonder if MJ was thinking doing Allgood concert with family, but when AEG game along, he ditched Allgood for AEG, as AEG is bigger, has more money to put into his big scale concerts?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Whatever mj would have done after TII he wouldnt have made the sort of money the family want. thats the bottom line

 

[Petrarose]

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Whatever mj would have done after TII he wouldnt have made the sort of money the family want. thats the bottom line

True!!

 

[MIST]

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I think it was Randy Phillips who said watching Michael creating This is it was like to see Michelangelo doing his paintings.
Michael was number 1 on AEGs list over artists they wanted.

 

[Petrarose]

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I think it was Randy Phillips who said watching Michael creating This is it was like to see Michelangelo doing his paintings.
Michael was number 1 on AEGs list over artists they wanted.

Exactly!!

 

[marebear]

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$40 billion is INSANE to ask such a thing. That's just beyond greedy.

I remember during the trial that Randy Philips said something that they reached out to Michael but he wasn't ready. This was after the trial. Then Michael contacted them and they first talked seriously in the fall of 2008. I don't think Michael wanted to do anything with the brothers. He wanted to do things on his own. I think the 10 dates at first were like a test to see how they were received. I will be honest you have to think after everything Michael went through how it would go. But the love for Michael came out and they could have a done 100 concerts if Michael wanted. That's how high the demand was for him.

The trial and everything hurt him. It would have destroyed most people and their careers. But Michael wasn't just anybody and before he died he knew he was loved and people wanted to see him. Maybe some people were surprised by the resonse he got but I wasn't. I knew that it would happen because he was Michael Jackson.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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The problem is that MJ had no one interested in working with him really due to the constant negative media coverage, Live Nation wouldn't even touch him. AEG was perhaps the only big legitimate touring entity willing to give it a shot.

Really?? Not the impression i got. Did livenation release a statement saying they 'wouldn't touch mj'? Just because there are no publically released details of any business negotiations between mj and livenaton, how does that translate into livenation 'wouldn't even touch mj'? There was the all-good deal in 09 with tv sponsorship, the las vegas deal which wishna put together which brought mj back to the usa at the end of 06, the well-publicised meetings with simon fuller in vegas. A vegas show wd have had people queuing up to sign him - it was mj's decision not to go down that route, not that people weren't interested in signing him. In the barren landscape of the music biz in the last few years, mj was one of the truely big superstars, simon cowell was falling over himself to get mj onto uk x factor, the grammys were super keen to get him on an award show - mj was still a huge draw.

MJ struggled to attract sponsors due to his chronic image problems. I mean MJ was the only big artist unable to earn sponsorship deals due to his negative image.

That was down to the child molestation allegations - kiss of death to any sponsorship or endorsement deal.

I think the $40bn is a ridiculous sum but i'm not sure why some of us have to try and justify some of the negative things that aeg are saying about mj.

 

[Severus Snape]

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I've come across some of TM tweets, and reading them is like looking into self-induced mental illness directly in the eye.
I assume, they don't have other means to contact on AD, so they tweet to Alan. If Alan believes those tweets and doesn't see how sick this person is, then he deserve to be called unscrupulous.
He was supposed to be proper reporter, who the hell believes some mental case's tweets?

And now she is asking her idiot minions to "push" him into appealing. You can tell by her choice of words that she doesn't give a s--t about him, and only sees him as an instrument to get what she wants, so the only sick and unscrupulous party in this whole scenario is her. Not Alan.

I hear you, Severus. I get very depressed sometimes that Michael is gone and it seems to some people they are just doing the same things they always did--they haven't changed--not the media, not the Jacksons. It's as if it never happened that he died. They keep "hustlin, stealin, lying--you just want to be startin somethin." Makes me want to hide away, and when fans defend the family, I just don't get it.

I'm pretty much done with all of this. I really resent being dragged back into this kind of territory, but must remain to be vigilant of those I care about, unfortunately. This entire thing should have never been humoured by any court ever, and $40 billion is beyond greedy of the Jacksons to ask of AEG. They are cut from the same cloth as the Arvizos and all the other greedy sacks of s--t we have seen contaminating Michael's life. All their small minds can detect is money. No wonder Michael wanted nothing to do with them... who would? But, unfortunately, blood ties are harder to do away with than any other kind. =/

I don't even begin to comprehend how any fans could side with the family. Even if you dislike AEG or the Estate, how does that make the family any better? If anything, it makes their own greed worse, since whatever negative traits expressed by the aforementioned parties pale in comparison to the unfathomable amount of greed displayed by pretty much every Jackson. It's sad.




And, there is nothing I resent or despise more than people who think they can callously use other people, especially people I happen to care for, as disposable objects in their personal endeavours.

 

[Tygger]

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I figured it was worth mentioning that this entire thing was her idea, since somebody said Alan was unscrupulous for trying, but seeing as I actually know him, I can say it's not in his nature to do something like that or to be that way, and that he is unacquainted with what these people actually are.

Does Alan Duke know the Jackson family and can he confirm the negative comments about them?

The family is not comparable to the Chandlers or the Arvisos. They were extortionists who lost no family member.

They can be compared to the Goldmans in that both families endured a criminal trial and proceeded to a civil trial. In the Goldmans' case, the person they believe to have murdered their son was found not guilty and they pursued a civil trial against an individual. In the Jacksons' case, the doctor was convicted on a lesser charge (which was not their choice) that allows him to be out later this year, and now they are pursuing a civil trial against a corporation.

I can imagine them coming up with a $10 billion lifetime figure, perhaps including all his catalogue and other earnings (which continue anyway, so not a loss) , plus probably a large compound interest multiplier to account for inflation over 25+ years......but not then to multiply the result by the number of expected recipients....

I agree with you about how the $10 Billion lifetime figure may have been derived as Michael was most likely a billionaire at some point during his life. It can be multiplied by the number of plaintiffs because each plaintiff suffered the loss. If Michael had only one beneficiary, the special damages would be $10 Billion.

 

[jamba]

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I see the family as similar to Arvizos and Chandlers in that they used Michael for money and didn't care how much it hurt him to do so.

 

[Petrarose]

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Really?? Not the impression i got. Did livenation release a statement saying they 'wouldn't touch mj'? Just because there are no publically released details of any business negotiations between mj and livenaton, how does that translate into livenation 'wouldn't even touch mj'? There was the all-good deal in 09 with tv sponsorship, the las vegas deal which wishna put together which brought mj back to the usa at the end of 06, the well-publicised meetings with simon fuller in vegas. A vegas show wd have had people queuing up to sign him - it was mj's decision not to go down that route, not that people weren't interested in signing him. In the barren landscape of the music biz in the last few years, mj was one of the truely big superstars, simon cowell was falling over himself to get mj onto uk x factor, the grammys were super keen to get him on an award show - mj was still a huge draw.


That was down to the child molestation allegations - kiss of death to any sponsorship or endorsement deal.

I think the $40bn is a ridiculous sum but i'm not sure why some of us have to try and justify some of the negative things that aeg are saying about mj.

AN EXCELLENT POST that deserves Five stars & Two thumbs up.

Jamba your post: I see the family as similar to Arvizos and Chandlers in that they used Michael for money and didn't care how much it hurt him to do so also gets 5 Stars & 2 Thumbs Up.

 

[Severus Snape]

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Does Alan Duke know the Jackson family and can he confirm the negative comments about them?

I can't speak for him. I don't pry into that business. The only reason I am even humouring all this ridiculousness is basically to make sure he's alright. If he does talk to them [and I honestly don't know, as I think it would be unbecoming of me to ask such things], it's none of my business. That's not why I'm his friend. I care about him, not about the Jacksons and their family circus.

Their reputation precedes them, however, so I would hope he exercises some caution when dealing with the likes of them if he must, but like I said, it's not my place to tell him what to do, or to ask him what he does or whom he talks to, if anybody.

The family is not comparable to the Chandlers or the Arvisos. They were extortionists who lost no family member.

They can be compared to the Goldmans in that both families endured a criminal trial and proceeded to a civil trial. In the Goldmans' case, the person they believe to have murdered their son was found not guilty and they pursued a civil trial against an individual. In the Jacksons' case, the doctor was convicted on a lesser charge (which was not their choice) that allows him to be out later this year, and now they are pursuing a civil trial against a corporation.



I agree with you about how the $10 Billion lifetime figure may have been derived as Michael was most likely a billionaire at some point during his life. It can be multiplied by the number of plaintiffs because each plaintiff suffered the loss. If Michael had only one beneficiary, the special damages would be $10 Billion.

What I meant by that comparison is that they only saw money when it came to Michael, even BEFORE he was dead. This trend did not just begin upon his death. They have been wanting from him ever since he became profitable.

As for Murray's sentence, the larger part of it has now been done away with, since they decided against pursuing restitution, so he is now theoretically free to profit from his crime. I highly doubt anybody wants to hear from him, but it is the thought that counts, as they say... and by failing to pursue that, the message they sent out unto us as the general public is that they could really care less if he tried to profit from his crime.

They're going after AEG basically seeing dollar signs, though AEG itself wasn't much better. I'm, as they say, on nobody's side.... but I at least could understand some corporation acting in a greedy manner over your own family behaving thus DAYS after your passing. There is just no excuse, no matter which way you paint it. Even if you want to say AEG was bad faith, it doesn't excuse the callousness the Jacksons have displayed in their actions and allegations concerning Michael when dollars were at stake.

 

[Tygger]

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Severus Snape, the reason I asked you about Alan Duke was because you said you knew him and could defend him from some of the negative comments made about him. This is good.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the Jacksons; I will not dispute this.

How many of these opinions are based on knowing them and not negative stories and rumors from others who had their own negative ideas and plans when spreading lies about Michael and his family for decades?

 

[passy001]

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Does Alan Duke know the Jackson family and can he confirm the negative comments about them?

The family is not comparable to the Chandlers or the Arvisos. They were extortionists who lost no family member.

They can be compared to the Goldmans in that both families endured a criminal trial and proceeded to a civil trial. In the Goldmans' case, the person they believe to have murdered their son was found not guilty and they pursued a civil trial against an individual. In the Jacksons' case, the doctor was convicted on a lesser charge (which was not their choice) that allows him to be out later this year, and now they are pursuing a civil trial against a corporation.

The goldman made sure that OJ sympson could not profit from his crime. the Goldmans made sure that nobody could slander Nicole in the press for cheating and other sins she may have committed. the Goldmans did not spend their lives pimping nicole on TV and tabloids for cash.

I cannot say the same thing about the Jacksons. The jacksons are money whores who refuse to work for a living.

-mommy dearest supporting a fake heal the world foundation
-mommy dearest pimping out the MJ3 to the highest bider in exchange of cash. for instance she sold the kids to oprah in exchange of cash. she also sold the kids to the fake MJ tribute organisaers in exchange of $100,000.
-Latoya now pimping out the kids for all kinds of cash.
-Joe & friends pimping out the kids for signed belt and god knows what.
-Joe trying to exploit MJ with crooks even though he does not have the rights to MJ intellectual property.
-KJ teaming up with porn producer to deceive MJ Estate and illegally exploit his intellectual property.
-The jacksons have collectively accused MJ on national television of being a drug addict without giving much evidence.
-The Jacksons publicly fighting MJ estate for money even though they are not beneficiaries.
-The Jacksons launching a frivolous lawsuit against AEG in an attempt to extort money they never deserve.

The list is almost endless.

With this kind of nonsense, it's hard to be supportive.

I agree with you about how the $10 Billion lifetime figure may have been derived as Michael was most likely a billionaire at some point during his life. It can be multiplied by the number of plaintiffs because each plaintiff suffered the loss. If Michael had only one beneficiary, the special damages would be $10 Billion.

LoL.

Even Oprah the richest celebrity does not make that much.

KJ needs to prove that she was going to loose that money she's asking. she will need to show how much MJ was giving her in the last 25 years of his life. it's nowhere close to what she's asking. she couldn't even pay for utility bills in Havendurst at the time of his death. havendurst was facing bankruptcy which means that if she was receiving that much she would have paid for the mortgage.

Plus the Estate is paying her an allowance the size she never received from MJ. in fact she's even better off with MJ dead as she's living a luxurous life she could never afford.


MJ was wealthy not a billionaire (that's easy to prove) but that was thanks to the assets he acquired in the 1980s during the best years of his life. Credit to John Branca by the way as he was the one who made that happen. if it wasn't for him MJ would be dead right now with less valuable assets, if any at all considering all the financial problems he was facing.

in the last years of his life, MJ was loosing money, speding more than he was making. plus he was facing serious financial difficulties which was threatening the utter collapse of his empire.

 

[Severus Snape]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

Severus Snape, the reason I asked you about Alan Duke was because you said you knew him and could defend him from some of the negative comments made about him. This is good.

I do know him, and I know he is neither unscrupulous nor a rat, as some people here attempted to claim. But just because I know him doesn't mean that I know what he does, or why. Like I said, I don't pry into business that doesn't concern me, unless it is to work in the best interest of the party I care about, which in this case would be him and him alone.

I can't rationally defend what I myself have not put out there, but I can speak for his character from my dealings and I can tell you it is not in his nature to be unscrupulous, so I think such a word is a really unfair assessment and is inaccurate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the Jacksons; I will not dispute this.

How many of these opinions are based on knowing them and not negative stories and rumors from others who had their own negative ideas and plans when spreading lies about Michael and his family for decades?

My opinions don't come from any rumour mills or stories. I simply observe their behaviour, and there is a pattern. You are right-- I don't know them personally, but I think it is behaviour which counts for itself, and time and time again they have proven themselves to be out only for monetary gain. They are well-aware they do not possess sufficient talent to uphold their lavish lifestyles, and god forbid they ever live the drab lives the rest of us have to endure, so the only way to keep that income generating itself is to dip their spoons into the 'everything Michael' pudding as deeply as they can, for as long as they can.

I, as the rest of you, am on the outside looking in. I don't know them on that level, nor do I deal with them in such ways, but it is not always necessary to know somebody personally to assess (from the behaviour they repeatedly put out into the world at large) their character. If anybody wants to enlighten us with a personal portrayal of any Jackson in a positive light, that'll be their own decision.

But I think their actions speak louder than anybody's words.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

agree with petrarose aswell. such an argument would only be valid if mj had done things and they had flopped. but out of his own and not so much his own choice he hadnt done anything to be judged on in those previous years. but when he did we saw the reaction it got

AN EXCELLENT POST that deserves Five stars & Two thumbs up.

Jamba your post: I see the family as similar to Arvizos and Chandlers in that they used Michael for money and didn't care how much it hurt him to do so also gets 5 Stars & 2 Thumbs Up.