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marebear said:
When Murray starts making money off of what he did I don't want hear any complaints from the Jacksons. They could have stopped it.

This trial is not about any kind of justice for Michael. Out of all the Jacksons it was Katherine who saw or talked to Michael the most and she said she saw nothing wrong with him. AEG will be ruthless and won't care about how they paint Michael out to be. I don't understand how his family will do the same to him.
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:agree:

See, that bothers me the MOST :sigh:

How can you be so BLIND :blink: Your kid... stays your kid even if he's 50 and 'intelligent' DUH :smilerolleyes:

I know, it's got NOTHING to do with the WHOLE civil trial but it just bothers me that Mother didn't 'care' :cry: Well, she didn't care ENOUGH then... That whole 'Privacy' thingy is a crap... :angry:

I mean, I live on my own, I'm 40 and I was really ill last August too but my mum put her foot down and she 'cared' for me :blush:

It's so :blink:, you know...

I'm NOT 'bashing' her, you know... Just my :no:
 
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Tygger said:
Restitution would be symbolic in that case but, damages from AEG are seen as symbolic as well. The beneficiaries are currently very financially stable. The result of the civil trial will not change that fact. Some see it as symbolic and some do not. Either way is fine.
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but mother's cubs are not....
 
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jamba said:
There's an Oprah discussion with someone (Dr. Smith) and they are saying Michael and Whitney H. died trying to 'hit the high note' of past fame when they should have realized they could not. Oprah says that Thriller was "a phenonmenon" not to be repeated. All the comments focus on both MJ and Whitney H. as has-been drug addicts. So here we go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-jackson-whitney-houston-death_n_2829735.html
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I hate Oprah.

They were not hasbeens. If that was true nobody would wanted to see Michael in concert and This is It showed full well that Michael still had it. He needed sleep. He didn't need a fix. As for Whitney her album went #1 in 2009. I remember people happy to see her back.
 
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ivy said:
No. A high restitution put on murray would have mean that he couldn't benefit from his crime. For example he couldn't have written a book as the jacksons can get the book rights and/or book profits as restitution (just like the Goldman family did to OJ Simpson)

now there's nothing that would stop Murray from benefiting from his crime.
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Wouldn't it be awesome if someone in the media would compare and contrast the behavior of the Goldman's and Jackson's toward their lost family member? Fred Goldman still fights for his son. I can't imagine him ever uttering or allowing somebody to say a bad word about Ron.
I wish the Jackson's would represent Michael like that :(
 
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^^

There have been several alternative theories at OJ. Simpson case. Goldmans are very vocal to reject all of them and remind people that guilt lies with OJ. They never gave OJ a free pass.
 
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Restitution was symbolic because Murray has no means after conviction to generate the restitution amount. He is a pariah. Any venture he takes that depends on public support (like a book) does not seem extremely profitable to me. I do not think he will find major public support.

If the beneficiaries succeed with the civil trial, their lifestyle does not change. They are very financially stable and will continue to be no matter the trial results. The siblings are not on the civil trial and they are not struggling financially either regardless of media reports.
 
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bonnie blue said:
damages of $1 would be 'symbolic'. The sum i see bandied about for mj's lost earnings is $1,000,000,000. That's not symbolic, that's an earthshatteringly massive amount of money - to the persons asking for it and to the persons having to pay it. It's bizarre to pretend this lawsuit is 'symbolic'.
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Standing up and climbing a tall ladder to applaud this post. Thank you.
 
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Standing up with you. this is about $ and nothing else. kj needs to make sure her 40,50 and 60 year old children have money after shes gone and as in life mj is expected to pay for that. time after time kj and the family act in a way that creates an opinion that they dont love or care about mj they just expected him to share his wealth and provide for others even when there was no reason for the others not to provide for themselves. the family imo are a contributing factor as to why mj is not here. the way they have acted this last four years confirms every rumour to me that did the rounds through the years.

kj is prepared to have mj dragged through the mud so she can provide for her adult children. its ok for mj to be sacrificed for the good of the family. ive never experienced such characters as those of the jacksons. the obsession with image the blatent lies they tell to portray an image or agenda. the contridictions. my heart breaks over and over again at what mj had to deal with. the way his mother has acted to me says shes no better than joseph. no wonder mj wanted to view her as a saint because realisation of the truth would have broke him even more.
 
AEG Live goes to Court of Appeal to dismiss remaining negligent hiring claim

Why unseal his medical records? Where is the outrage at that Jacksons?
 
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marebear said:
I hate Oprah.

They were not hasbeens. If that was true nobody would wanted to see Michael in concert and This is It showed full well that Michael still had it. He needed sleep. He didn't need a fix. As for Whitney her album went #1 in 2009. I remember people happy to see her back.
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If MJ was a "hasbeen" then what is Oprah? lol Ellen was beating her in ratings and was winning the awards before Oprah decided to leave her show. And her OWN network isn't doing as good as she has hope. Girlfriend needs to seriously STFU already!
 
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bluetopez said:
If MJ was a "hasbeen" then what is Oprah? lol Ellen was beating her in ratings and was winning the awards before Oprah decided to leave her show. And her OWN network isn't doing as good as she has hope. Girlfriend needs to seriously STFU already!
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I know she seriously needs to retire and let it go
 
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jamba said:
There's an Oprah discussion with someone (Dr. Smith) and they are saying Michael and Whitney H. died trying to 'hit the high note' of past fame when they should have realized they could not. Oprah says that Thriller was "a phenonmenon" not to be repeated. All the comments focus on both MJ and Whitney H. as has-been drug addicts. So here we go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-jackson-whitney-houston-death_n_2829735.html
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Again oprah is just jealous that she will never reach the level of success as mj & whitney have. The reason why her shows arent doing too well is cuz the public are getting sick of her arrogance
 
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There is no restitution possible, no "justice" conceivable, through the courts, to make up for a loss as huge and devastating as the loss of Michael. It is a loss that affected not only his family and friends, but the legions of fans who simply cannot make sense of it, and so many are just destined to feel the grief, and the loss, like holes in our souls, forever and ever. No amount of money in a court case can correct that, or make it somehow right again.

In the end, Murray was an unscrupulous doctor who valued money more than a human life. In terms of AEG, they are a corporation, and not a person, and in that sense, the buck stops nowhere. This really does feel like Groundhog Day, and in the end, so what? There will be no ultimate "truth" here, but a repeat of the trial material.

A couple of things I don't understand? Katherine (her attorneys) are behaving as if she would have HAD that money -- Michael's earnings. He gave her enough to be comfortable, but his future earnings were NOT hers. They would not have been Katherine's. She would not have had millions and millions from the proceeds of TII, although I'm sure Michael would have made sure that she was comfortable. The future earnings would have been mostly for his CHILDREN. So for Katherine to say that she lost his "future income," is not accurate.

The other thing, which seems to be the trend, is that if AEG tries to say, "he was doomed anyway, with drug-use, risking himself," and so on, WHY did they think he would be able to do all those concerts? And what did they know, and when did they know it, and signed on anyway? Wasn't that a risk for THEM, if they thought that? All the PR about TII, and after his death, says that "he was in great shape," and everything was fine. So I really don't see how they can use dragging him through the mud as a defense?

It is amazing how LITTLE I care about the outcome of this trial, that will, in the end, prove nothing but answer a very narrow question, "did or did not AEG hire Murray." About that, I care not a speck, and if there is some deeper truth out there, there is no concrete evidence of that, at all. If there are people somehow "out there" who know more, they have not spoken up, and there has been ample time. So in my case, I wish for a (small) settlement, and for this to simply to go AWAY.
 
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marebear said:
I hate Oprah.

They were not hasbeens. If that was true nobody would wanted to see Michael in concert and This is It showed full well that Michael still had it. He needed sleep. He didn't need a fix. As for Whitney her album went #1 in 2009. I remember people happy to see her back.
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Exactly. Oprah should be the last person to talk about the career of stars, since she has her own dwindling career to worry about. She will never stop trashing Michael, and the sad thing is she gets others to join her in that type of behavior. It is time for her to do shows with value, in the same way Michael's work had value.

^^On another note, I read that information about Joe telling Katherine to visit Michael years ago, but is that really true. I mean this information came out after his death, so I do not know if Joe made that up to show "oh we knew something was up." I recall they all ran with the idea that he was a drug addict when he died because no one knew yet the cause of his death. Latoya ran with the rotted weed found in the kitchen claiming it was cocaine or heroin. Then the lawsuit came and suddenly everyone saw him shaky & scared.

Autumn thank you for reminding us that this huge lawsuit will not uncover the truth about Michael's death, but more about who hired who without a background check. Unless they have some e-mails, showing AEG told Muarry to take certain actions, this case remains a play where AEG blames Michael for his death, due to drug use, and the family blames AEG for hiring Muarry who caused the death of a DA Michael.

Elusive thanks for reminding us that the aim behind the lawsuit, is so Grandma could get money to leave to her heirs (sons/grandchildren). We all know that Randy was behind this case. We saw all his rants in tweets, X17 & in the summer letter. Those of us who understand the will/trust know why it is important for Katherine to get large sums of money before she dies, and for once Randy is smart to realize that the only person who can do so is mother. Only mother could sue AEG on behalf of the children.

This case is not for the beneficiaries. Rich beneficiaries who are well taken of do not leak court e-mails to Mann for him to sell to the papers to bash the person who left them the money. The main thing is, if the family were in the will & Randy was the executor of the estate, there would be no suit against AEG.
 
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So in my case, I wish for a (small) settlement, and for this to simply to go AWAY.
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agree. for mj the kids and our sakes. anything less then 50 mill will not last the family two minutes when its all split between the lawyers kids and possible paying back the loans to the estate. i cant see AEG offering anything more than a few and i cant see a jury paying out loads as imo they will do what the judge advised and take into count murray was working for mj and doing what he was doing before may and mj wanted him
 
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Way too often this picture has come to my mind when thinking of Michael

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They way I see it, Michael is the carcass, and it is up to individual to decide who are the vultures picking Michael's bones.
 
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Yep, the family has to 'dodge' a lot of flowerpots here and good riddance too :beee: This is like a Dallas soap :lol:

If, I 'rant' about this here NOW :mat: How does it affect Michael's children? :sigh: or are they left 'in the dark' about all this 'money grabbing' charade?

Come on, Mother... Isn't the 'allowance' you get NOT enough... :smilerolleyes:

Mother 'demands' the "future earnings" of Michael for her 'grown up' kids ?
PLEASE tell me that's a rumour :scratch: 'cause If she really said that... She is a wolf in sheep clothes...
I have never be 'fond' of Joseph... He creeps me out but If Mother 'demands' all those ridiculous 'money claims' than I'm afraid she's even worse than Joseph, indeed...

Ah, Michael :wub:
Right now, I'm kind of 'glad' you're heaven :angel: 'cause this would certainly bring you to :cry: how your own Mother 'treats' you...
 
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Seems like KJ has always been a pawn of Joe. When Mike wanted to go solo she opposed it--Your brothers need you, translation: we expect you to keep us all in the lifestyle to which we have become accustomed (without us working for it in any way).
 
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The media request to broadcast has come from CNN / Alan Duke and the judge denied it with no explanation.

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ivy said:
The media request to broadcast has come from CNN / Alan Duke and the judge denied it with no explanation.

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Good for the judge.

That dude of Alan Duke is so Unscrupulous. A rat by all accounts. and his fixation with the Jacksons is becoming irritating.
How come he's the only dude that has applied for broadcasting?
 
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They applied pretty late--March 7th. We knew well in advance that the muarry trial would be broadcasted.
 
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Autumn II said:
A couple of things I don't understand? Katherine (her attorneys) are behaving as if she would have HAD that money -- Michael's earnings. He gave her enough to be comfortable, but his future earnings were NOT hers. They would not have been Katherine's. She would not have had millions and millions from the proceeds of TII, although I'm sure Michael would have made sure that she was comfortable. The future earnings would have been mostly for his CHILDREN. So for Katherine to say that she lost his "future income," is not accurate.
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That's the part I don't understand either. Seems as if Michael was working only for her with all the earnings going to her. Michael made sure she's very well taken care of, what money is she missing? She's getting quite a lot from the estate. She's not losing any money, she lost a son.

I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that Joe said that Michael was worth more dead than alive. I wonder if that's true, if he was thinking about his family.
 
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The funny thing is with joe saying this:
"oh we knew something was up."
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if they knew something was up and they really cared then why is it that they would only pressure him to do shows with the bros and never say to michael "michael are you ok?"
 
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Aquarius said:
I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that Joe said that Michael was worth more dead than alive. I wonder if that's true, if he was thinking about his family.
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It is true, he said it on interview with Extra. You see, Joe has impeccable sense to smell of dollars, never mind if the money means his son is dead.
 
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Aquarius said:
That's the part I don't understand either. Seems as if Michael was working only for her with all the earnings going to her. Michael made sure she's very well taken care of, what money is she missing? She's getting quite a lot from the estate. She's not losing any money, she lost a son.

I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that Joe said that Michael was worth more dead than alive. I wonder if that's true, if he was thinking about his family.
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Well, that's the 'part' that :mat: me...
You know, how it goes hey... If you swim in $$$ , you have to make sure the money flow is constant otherwise you have the risk of 'drowning'... I would so much love to see how she would 'cope' with an 'allowance' of ONLY a $ 1000 in a month :smilerolleyes:
That's NOT 'fancy' $ that's... Rent, bills, taxes, groceries and IF you're lucky something 'extra' :sigh:
I think, she wouldn't last long though...

I have the 'feeling' that "the Family" thinks Michael's middle name is spelled A.T.M :smilerolleyes: Instead of S.O.N :blink:
 
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8701girl said:
The funny thing is with joe saying this: if they knew something was up and they really cared then why is it that they would only pressure him to do shows with the bros and never say to michael "michael are you ok?"
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Exactly! Just like Janet, 'the entire family knew he had a problem' ...oh really? what did you? why did Katherine say she was never a part of any intervention? The whole family is a mess
 
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Bubs said:
It is true, he said it on interview with Extra. You see, Joe has impeccable sense to smell of dollars, never mind if the money means his son is dead.
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It's scary to see how brutally cruel he can be on tv. I can't imagine how worst he could be in private.
 
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Aquarius said:
It's scary to see how brutally cruel he can be on tv. I can't imagine how worst he could be in private.
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yeah and Katherine stayed married to him for over 60 years.. two peas in a pod. People give her a pass but she's just like him that's why they are still 'together'. Mike died and two days later his father is at the BET awards hawking blue ray dvds and his new music label. That tells you what he's about.
 
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jaydom7 said:
Exactly! Just like Janet, 'the entire family knew he had a problem' ...oh really? what did you? why did Katherine say she was never a part of any intervention? The whole family is a mess
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They cant get the stories straight lol
You know when i was younger i liked his family and never thought i would second guess them when i got older but now....its just ugh

jaydom7 said:
yeah and Katherine stayed married to him for over 60 years.. two peas in a pod. People give her a pass but she's just like him that's why they are still 'together'. Mike died and two days later his father is at the BET awards hawking blue ray dvds and his new music label. That tells you what he's about.
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I remember when joe did that a few days after michael passed away i was like :rant: :angry: i just couldnt belive it
 
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