[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

personally i think alan duke is a typcial journo. he goes with whatever side is giving him info. he has created a relationship with the family where he is given info and inreturn his article are very pro jackson .and very one sided. therefore he is not reliable at all
_____________________________________
MJ was wealthy not a billionaire (that's easy to prove)
_________________________________________

you think? what about the court docs when he refinaced that stated assets at 1.7 bill before debts which would then be around 1.4 bill?

 

[passy001]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

personally i think alan duke is a typcial journo. he goes with whatever side is giving him info. he has created a relationship with the family where he is given info and inreturn his article are very pro jackson .and very one sided. therefore he is not reliable at all
_____________________________________
MJ was wealthy not a billionaire (that's easy to prove)
_________________________________________

you think? what about the court docs when he refinaced that stated assets at 1.7 bill before debts which would then be around 1.4 bill?

It's well known that he wasn't worth $1.7b at the time of his death. his share of sony/atv that makes up 90% of his assets was worth less that $1b at the time of his death.

 

[passy001]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

agree with petrarose aswell. such an argument would only be valid if mj had done things and they had flopped. but out of his own and not so much his own choice he hadnt done anything to be judged on in those previous years. but when he did we saw the reaction it got

That's because MJ had not performed for over 10 years. his long absence from the music scene was a major contributing factor.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Passy but wouldn't Michael have made billions during his lifetime. I mean here his gross earnings. For him to pay millions in lawsuits, millions to managers & crocked agents, millions for salaries & upkeep of Neverland, plus his individual upkeep, plus millions for taxes before Bain, plus millions to charity, plus taking care of mama--and all these expenses that were paid was done on a yearly basis. Of course once he refused to engage in touring, etc., his revenue was reduced, but he had to have all that money for him to pay all the things he did. Yes I know he took out loans after the allegations, but he still had those expenses above before that & was paying them. That is why I think he had at least 1 billion a year at his disposal, prior to the allegations. Of course this is speculation.

 

[loveforever]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Michael is always capable of making money, even after the allegations. If not how come Randy, Tohme and other crooks can steal millions from him. The only problem is after the allegation, Michael needed time away from US to recovery so he had to leave his business to people he trusted. however, they made his finance a big mess because those crooks were busy filling their own pockets.
Btw thriller 25 came out after the allegation and it sold so well which surprised everyone, so did His This Is It. Michael Jackson was who he was, because he was always thinking ahead his time. As people in This is it said, michael was the pioneer, other artists just follow what he did. His creative, boundless mind was his most valuable asset. I never doubt if Michael really recovered from the allegation, he would continue making everyone drop glasses, create the new trend, it may not be music though.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

They can be compared to the Goldmans in that both families endured a criminal trial and proceeded to a civil trial. In the Goldmans' case, the person they believe to have murdered their son was found not guilty and they pursued a civil trial against an individual. In the Jacksons' case, the doctor was convicted on a lesser charge (which was not their choice) that allows him to be out later this year, and now they are pursuing a civil trial against a corporation.

How can you even compare them to Goldmans?

Yes OJ wasn't found guilty at a criminal trial but Goldmans succeeded in civil trial. They used the judgment/ restitution against OJ taking control over the book OJ wrote, taking money from the TV interviews and so on. They never let OJ make a dime over their son, well they never let OJ to even be talk about their son.

When there were alternative murder theories such as it could have been drug dealers that murdered them etc., they vehemently denied it all. Making sure that the blame stays with OJ. Simpson.

To be compared to the Goldmans the Jacksons should have never given Murray a free pass and should have never gave him the option to talk about Michael and make money / profit it.

Jacksons not only love to point the responsibility to other parties and even downplay Murray's role, they gave him a free ticket to profit from Michael. They are in no shape and form can be compared to the Goldmans IMO.

 

[passy001]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Passy but wouldn't Michael have made billions during his lifetime. I mean here his gross earnings. For him to pay millions in lawsuits, millions to managers & crocked agents, millions for salaries & upkeep of Neverland, plus his individual upkeep, plus millions for taxes before Bain, plus millions to charity, plus taking care of mama--and all these expenses that were paid was done on a yearly basis. Of course once he refused to engage in touring, etc., his revenue was reduced, but he had to have all that money for him to pay all the things he did. Yes I know he took out loans after the allegations, but he still had those expenses above before that & was paying them. That is why I think he had at least 1 billion a year at his disposal, prior to the allegations. Of course this is speculation.

What you don't seem to realize is that as time went by, MJ was becoming less marketable which means he was losing his commercial appeal at a very fast rate. I blame his incompetent advisers and the crooks that persistently surrounded him. some would even blame MJ for that as he was the one hiring these people in the first place. but that's beside the point.

MJ artistically was great but sadly did not really live up to his true potential due to endless controversies he was facing. and when he was making a bit, he incompetent team would spend it in record times. i honestly think MJ was a wasted talent (i don't mean it in a bad way), a talent that never really got the chance to shine to its real potential after 1993, when all the dooms and glooms began and we can't collectively ignore that.

 

[passy001]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

How can you even compare them to Goldmans?

Yes OJ wasn't found guilty at a criminal trial but Goldmans succeeded in civil trial. They used the judgment/ restitution against OJ taking control over the book OJ wrote, taking money from the TV interviews and so on. They never let OJ make a dime over their son, well they never let OJ to even be talk about their son.

When there were alternative murder theories such as it could have been drug dealers that murdered them etc., they vehemently denied it all. Making sure that the blame stays with OJ. Simpson.

To be compared to the Goldmans the Jacksons should have never given Murray a free pass and should have never gave him the option to talk about Michael and make money / profit it.

Jacksons not only love to point the responsibility to other parties and even downplay Murray's role, they gave him a free ticket to profit from Michael. They are in no shape and form can be compared to the Goldmans IMO.

And that wins you an Oscar.

 

[ivy]

I want to post something here

This is from an article in 2008

3. Jackson's total lifetime earnings from royalties, solo recordings and music videos, revenue from concerts and endorsements have been estimated at $500 million

--------------------------------

This is from an article referring back to 2007

Michael’s total lifetime earnings from royalties on his solo recordings and music videos, revenue from concerts and endorsements have been estimated at $500 million; some analysts have speculated that his music catalog holdings could be worth billions of dollars.

This speculation however is contradicted by financial documents obtained by the Associated Press, which showed that as of March 31, 2007, Jackson’s 50 percent stake in the Sony/ATV Music Publishing catalog (his most prized asset) was worth $390.6 million and Michael Jackson’s net worth was $236 million.

----------------------------------

so you can see that Michael's lifetime earnings (until 50 years old) was $500 Million + his share at Sony / ATV catalog as his asset.

This shows you how unrealistic $40 billion is.

 

[addictMJJ]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

None of what is going on here with this trial is EVER going to bring Michael back...WHATEVER it says in those e-mails is just going to continue to make Michael look bad. We already know about some of what was said in some of them...the rest cannot be much different. I understand the "idea" of this trial is to find out "how much" AEG knew about what Murray was doing to Michael...but at the end of it all MICHAEL is the one that they are trying to make look "troubled' . How fair is that to a man that gave EVERYTHING that he had to the world ..his family....his fans?? It's NOT fair. I will be glad when this whole thing is done because maybe then Michael can "Rest in Peace". These people can do and say whatever they want from this point on..Michael's legacy is written in stone already. What they have to say about him wont amount to a hill of beans imo...I just Thank God that he is not here to physically feel the pain of all this ...he suffered ENOUGH already. I love you Michael

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bow:

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

The goldman made sure that OJ sympson could not profit from his crime. the Goldmans made sure that nobody could slander Nicole in the press for cheating and other sins she may have committed. the Goldmans did not spend their lives pimping nicole on TV and tabloids for cash.

I cannot say the same thing about the Jacksons. The jacksons are money whores who refuse to work for a living.

-mommy dearest supporting a fake heal the world foundation
-mommy dearest pimping out the MJ3 to the highest bider in exchange of cash. for instance she sold the kids to oprah in exchange of cash. she also sold the kids to the fake MJ tribute organisaers in exchange of $100,000.
-Latoya now pimping out the kids for all kinds of cash.
-Joe & friends pimping out the kids for signed belt and god knows what.
-Joe trying to exploit MJ with crooks even though he does not have the rights to MJ intellectual property.
-KJ teaming up with porn producer to deceive MJ Estate and illegally exploit his intellectual property.
-The jacksons have collectively accused MJ on national television of being a drug addict without giving much evidence.
-The Jacksons publicly fighting MJ estate for money even though they are not beneficiaries.
-The Jacksons launching a frivolous lawsuit against AEG in an attempt to extort money they never deserve.

The list is almost endless.

With this kind of nonsense, it's hard to be supportive.



LoL.

Even Oprah the richest celebrity does not make that much.

KJ needs to prove that she was going to loose that money she's asking. she will need to show how much MJ was giving her in the last 25 years of his life. it's nowhere close to what she's asking. she couldn't even pay for utility bills in Havendurst at the time of his death. havendurst was facing bankruptcy which means that if she was receiving that much she would have paid for the mortgage.

Plus the Estate is paying her an allowance the size she never received from MJ. in fact she's even better off with MJ dead as she's living a luxurous life she could never afford.


MJ was wealthy not a billionaire (that's easy to prove) but that was thanks to the assets he acquired in the 1980s during the best years of his life. Credit to John Branca by the way as he was the one who made that happen. if it wasn't for him MJ would be dead right now with less valuable assets, if any at all considering all the financial problems he was facing.

in the last years of his life, MJ was loosing money, speding more than he was making. plus he was facing serious financial difficulties which was threatening the utter collapse of his empire.

You need to keep one thing in mind. Branca worked for Michael not the other way around. Branca could not do a think without Michael telling him so. Give Michael some credit

 

[passy001]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

You need to keep one thing in mind. Branca worked for Michael not the other way around. Branca could not do a think without Michael telling him so. Give Michael some credit

You are missing the point. This is not MJ vs branca

The point here is to show that with a good adviser by his side, MJ could have achieved even greater things.
the example of branca is particularly compelling because it demonstrates what a great synergy the two produced.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

I am not missing the point, I am making a point

 

[Aquarius]

I remember when there were rumors of body doubles used in TII, and Joe himself said it wasn't Michael, but yet it didn't stop him to doing this:
"Fashion Designer Bian Variani, in collaboration with LVH magazine, Brenden Theatres and Seven&Company, is offering a $3,000 “Platinum VIP” package culminating in a screening of This Is It in Vegas on Oct. 27. It’s highlighted (if you will) by a “private dinner with Mr. Joseph Jackson,” who will pose for photos and autograph copies of his book, Joseph Jackson: Man in the Mirror, Father of the First Family of Music, which will be handed out as part of the package. The hotel’s comped as well. After the film, Joe will “thank the viewers and the fans for watching his son’s movie with him,” and host an opening night party at Palms Casino Resort’s Moon nightclub, featuring, of course, the music of Guy Lombardo and His Royal Canadians. (10/14a"


Anyways,, I'm not so sure anymore that Joe is the worst one in that family.

Yeah, I remember the dinner. Always money, always money, your little son is alive; good, put him to work so he & his brothers can help support the family. Your son is dead; good, let's make money out of my dead son now.

Michael in his Oxford Speech kind of say he understood his father now that he was a father. How can he compare his father with himself as a father. Michael really had a great heart and in my opinion a repressed love for his father.

 

[Tygger]

How can you even compare them to Goldmans?

Yes OJ wasn't found guilty at a criminal trial but Goldmans succeeded in civil trial. They used the judgment/ restitution against OJ taking control over the book OJ wrote, taking money from the TV interviews and so on. They never let OJ make a dime over their son, well they never let OJ to even be talk about their son.

When there were alternative murder theories such as it could have been drug dealers that murdered them etc., they vehemently denied it all. Making sure that the blame stays with OJ. Simpson.

To be compared to the Goldmans the Jacksons should have never given Murray a free pass and should have never gave him the option to talk about Michael and make money / profit it.

Jacksons not only love to point the responsibility to other parties and even downplay Murray's role, they gave him a free ticket to profit from Michael. They are in no shape and form can be compared to the Goldmans IMO.

Ivy, I am responding to an earlier post that compare the Jacksons to the Chandlers/Arvisos, who were extortionists, and the Goldmans. I only discussed the legal remedies both families had and pursued after the lost of a love one but, I will go further here.

The Goldmans had a heavier criminal charge and it was not successful. They could not legally receive restitution and sued, as the Jacksons are doing now, for wrongful death of their son. They won a judgment of $38 Million against Simpson's future earnings. Simpson effectively retired and they could not receive monies. A judge awarded the Goldmans Simpson’s book rights in an effort to get the $38 Million. Simpson already had the book deal and received the advance before the judgment. They were not allowed the monies from the book advance but, they were given the book rights and they ARRANGED for the book to be published after receiving those rights to get monies from the sales. The book was not successful.

The Jacksons wanted a heavier criminal charge and did not get that. They would not receive full restitution from the doctor. They have this last legal avenue by pursuing a wrongful death civil trial against AEG and that is what they are doing.

What profits did the Jacksons allow the doctor? What future profits is he going to receive? The public is not going to support him. The documentary was a ratings failure even though the Jacksons and the estate failed in their requests to get it pulled from networks.

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

^^
You are failing to understand that this is not about the amount of money, ability to collect money or ratings and it's about the fact that Murray can do and say anything he wants to trash Michael.

If you can't see the problem with that, I don't know what to say to you.

edited to add: and if you want actual profits that documentary was sold and aired in multiple countries. That's the profit Murray made for example talking about how bad Michael's hygiene was. even a $1 profit (due to low ratings or low sales whatever) is too much of a profit for Murray to make. similarly even 1 person listening to Murray's BS is one too many to allow Michael to be trashed. I don't understand or agree with the logic of "it doesn't matter because not many people watched it and he didn't do a lot of money".

ps : for the record the Goldmans did not receive the full restitution amount either. They used OJ's inability to pay as a way to make his life a living hell and haunt him to his grave.

 

[Aquarius]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

Whatever mj would have done after TII he wouldnt have made the sort of money the family want. thats the bottom line

Exactly! And even if that was a possibility, I don't think Michael would had given Catherine the amount she now claims she's missing for the loss of her beloved son.

 

[Aquarius]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

I see the family as similar to Arvizos and Chandlers in that they used Michael for money and didn't care how much it hurt him to do so.

And now the Jacksons might use one of the kids in order to get money, same as those two families.

 

[Tygger]

Ivy, the doctor is free to say whatever he wants and restitution would not prevent that. The public decides if they will listen to him or not. The documentary money went to the doctor’s lawyers first. If anything was left over, I would not know how much it was and where the monies would have went.

I compared the Goldman’s legal recourse to the Jacksons as they had similarities. If the conversation is now if any of the legal recourses are considered “true justice,” that is each individual’s opinion. I do not have any issue with the Goldmans pursuing justice legally for their lost son (it happened as stated in my post) or the Jacksons pursuing justice legally for their lost son and father.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

Exactly! And even if that was a possibility, I don't think Michael would had given Catherine the amount she now claims she's missing for the loss of her beloved son.

Katherine should have taken care of her son and then she wouldn't be going through all these lawsuits.

 

[Aquarius]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

Katherine should have taken care of her son and then she wouldn't be going through all these lawsuits.

That was not the custom. Michael was taken care of her mom & as long as she was taken care of, she didn't care about anything else.

 

[passy001]

Ivy, I am responding to an earlier post that compare the Jacksons to the Chandlers/Arvisos, who were extortionists, and the Goldmans. I only discussed the legal remedies both families had and pursued after the lost of a love one but, I will go further here.

The Goldmans had a heavier criminal charge and it was not successful. They could not legally receive restitution and sued, as the Jacksons are doing now, for wrongful death of their son. They won a judgment of $38 Million against Simpson's future earnings. Simpson effectively retired and they could not receive monies. A judge awarded the Goldmans Simpson’s book rights in an effort to get the $38 Million. Simpson already had the book deal and received the advance before the judgment. They were not allowed the monies from the book advance but, they were given the book rights and they ARRANGED for the book to be published after receiving those rights to get monies from the sales. The book was not successful.

The Jacksons wanted a heavier criminal charge and did not get that. They would not receive full restitution from the doctor. They have this last legal avenue by pursuing a wrongful death civil trial against AEG and that is what they are doing.

The Jacksons were never interested in "heavier criminal charges". In fact they couldn't care less about the trial because the guy on trial is broke. Murray is the convicted killer NOT AEG. The jury in California found Murray guilty of manslaughter. not AEG. so can't talk about justice when they are falsely gunning for AEG for a buck. Already the judge toasted out 5 serious claims and only one remains. even so the jacksons will have a hard time proving the last claim of negligence because they must first establish that AEG hired Murray and so far the evidence strongly points to the other side.

What profits did the Jacksons allow the doctor? What future profits is he going to receive? The public is not going to support him. The documentary was a ratings failure even though the Jacksons and the estate failed in their requests to get it pulled from networks.

Murray right now is free to make book deals with tabloids, publishers providing him with the unchallenged opportunity to thrash MJ for a buck. The goldmans on the other hand made sure that any book deals OJ were to sign, the profits would go straight into their own bank accounts. not OJ Sympson. That is a significant difference and a disturbing one.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

As I'm sure we know, this lawsuit is not about Michael's children (they have more than enough money, forever!). The lawsuit is not really about Katherine Jackson -- she is well taken care of, and lives a luxurious life. This lawsuit IS all about the cubs, and there would be intense pressure on K.J. to spread that money around, in the unlikely event that she wins. The way things are now, she has more than enough for herself and her household, but not quite enough to spread around to her numerous cubs.

This lawsuit does harm to Michael's children, as their father's name is dragged through the mud, yet AGAIN. They don't NEED this!

There are some intrinsic flaws in logic in this lawsuit.

1. That Michael would have wanted to tour, at all, after TII. That is certainly not a given, (and I'm SURE he would never have toured with the cubs, and not ever.) He had other projects that interested him, but I highly doubt a grueling world-tour or several were among them. He had a forty-year career, which is enough for two lifetimes!

2. That even if Michael had had hugely successful future projects, that K.J. would have received proceeds from that, over and above any allowance he gave her. Highly doubtful (and the cubs would have received nothing directly FROM Michael).

Other logic -- "restitution" would not have been about getting MONEY from Murray, but to silence him by removing his motivation for Michael-slandering projects. Why bother, if he wouldn't see the proceeds, anyway? Even with an unthinkable not-guilty verdict, the Jacksons could have pursued restitution in civil court, as the Goldmans did. The Goldmans never expected to get money from OJ, but sued in civil court to SILENCE him.

The Jacksons didn't have to sue Murray to get restitution! He was GUILTY. It was right there, for them to take, and they rejected it, and here we are now -- with yet more slander to come. Lose/lose situation, actually.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Autumn thank you for the post above^^ because it seems some do not realize the impact restitution has on silencing someone's ability to write books or make documentaries filled with trash about Michael.

 

[Tygger]

Restitution means money awarded NOT silence. This is why Simpson was able to do interviews AFTER losing the civil trial to the Goldmans and the doctor can do the same without granted restitution. The doctor will only be financially successful if the public supports him. The public can decide if they want to listen to this doctor the same way they decide if they want to listen to Simpson.

Please name one convicted killer who, through public support (books, movies, interviews, etc), became a millionaire.

Everyone is free to twist history to create the reality they prefer but, the facts are:

The Goldmans did expect payment but, Simpson retired so he had no future income and that was what they were awarded. Simpson’s book deal was done before the civil trial but, was not published. They sued to get Simpson’s book rights so they could receive damages. They could have decided to kill Simpson’s book when they were awarded the book rights and they chose to instead, arrange for Simpson’s book to be published to collect the profits and it failed.

The Jackson did want a heavier charge (2nd degree murder which carried a minimum of 15 years) and the State decided on the lesser charge NOT the Jacksons. The Jacksons and the estate could only request the documentary filmed AND aired during the criminal trial be removed from networks before airing. They could not legally stop it.

A jury will find if AEG was negligent if their appeal is not granted. Michael’s children are the plaintiffs along with his mother. Michael’s siblings are not plaintiffs. If the plaintiffs are successful, all four are free to do whatever they want with the damages rewarded and no one knows what they will do with those damages. If Michael’s mother wants to give her damages in full to her remaining children, there is nothing anyone can do but grumble if they disagree.

 

[Vici]

mj out a statement out in late 08 that he wouldnt work with the family when they kept going on about reunions. if im remembering right? aeg was long before allgood. No way mj wanted anything to do with working with them hence the statement

Statement from Michael Jackson, October 31, 2008

“My brothers and sisters have my full love and support, and we’ve certainly shared many great experiences, but at this time I have no plans to record or tour with them. I am now in the studio developing new and exciting projects that I look forward to sharing with my fans in concert soon".

(The statement comes in response to his brother Jermaine Jackson's recent comments at a TV industry function in Sydney, where the musician said the Jackson 5 has plans to reunite next year).

 

[Autumn II]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Autumn thank you for the post above^^ because it seems some do not realize the impact restitution has on silencing someone's ability to write books or make documentaries filled with trash about Michael.

Right. The money-grubbing Murray is unlikely to write books if he won't see the proceeds, or appear on tabloid shows (they PAY for appearances) if there is no financial gain for him. Nothing can totally stop him from slandering Michael, but restitution sure would have slowed him down, a LOT.

 

[LastTear]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

@Tygger Do you honestly think that the media would not pay Murray to dish the dirt on the most private and personal interactions he had with Michael? Perhaps he has more recordings or god forbid photographs of Michael whilst he was in a Murray induced coma!

But let me ask you another question, and perhaps the most important one. Do you think it's right or just that Murray should PROFIT in any way from the man he killed?

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Restitution means money awarded NOT silence. This is why Simpson was able to do interviews AFTER losing the civil trial to the Goldmans and the doctor can do the same without granted restitution. The doctor will only be financially successful if the public supports him. The public can decide if they want to listen to this doctor the same way they decide if they want to listen to Simpson.

Goldmans got the money OJ were given for interviews. Goldman got the rights to OJ's book and rereleased it by naming it "I did it : Confessions of THE Killer". Goldman was relentless, when the paps got a picture of OJ wearing a Rolex watch, he even went after it. He never left OJ alone. He never let him forget. He never gave him a free pass.

Goldman also believes his aggressive attempts to collect on the judgment cased OJ's need to sell his memorabilia, which led to the robbery/kidnapping incident in Vegas, which led to the current prison sentence. Goldman is proud of the fact that he has been able to put such financial pressure on the man who got away with the murder of his son and that he was forced into desperate circumstances which ended in him showing his true colors and eventually going to prison.

That's called "making him pay". It got nothing to do about money you collect, sales or viewer numbers. But it seems like this is something you cannot see and we cannot agree on.

@Tygger Do you honestly think that the media would not pay Murray to dish the dirt on the most private and personal interactions he had with Michael?

They already paid him money for his documentary but according to Tygger it's okay because it went to his lawyers and not many people watched it. SMH.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

^^Oh dear.

Sometimes we should not beat a dead horse by trying to explain the same thing in 20 different ways. If there is still no understanding after one uses clear examples, then it means the person is not open to it. I say Ride On, or that phrase Michael screams out at the end of Dirty Diana.