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LaToya specifically says Michael is good!

Wouldn't she have said something to the Press if she had health concerns about her brother before he died, if after Michael dies the Jackson's go around claiming they had tried to reach Michael about his alleged drug addiction.

Don't you just love autopsies? A strong liver says the said individual had no scarring of the liver, which said individual would have if there was long term drug addiction, as continued drug usage would have built up toxins in the body and would have caused liver damage.
 
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We all know the jacksons interventions were interventions for the all good concerts or as tito said to the press at the time we hope he lets us get involved in the 02 concerts.or interventions for biz deals as tunya said. all the evidence supported what was shown in the trial. mj was under using the meds he had been prescribed by metzger and co.no painkillers. and dip was used when murray came on the scene as rehearsals started. no evidence it was taken long term through x amount of years the only evidence if u can call it that relates to ratner and possibly munich and even then its not exactly fact.so what about all the years inbetween.no evidence.if there was he wouldnt be hiring murray.

those who still want to push an agenda of addiction and interventions have exactly that an agenda.reminds me of sneddon and his we know theres more victims out there we just cant/ have to find them.its funny how mj was always the accused yet for some reason it was always upto mj to disprove.yet its supposed to be the other way around. how do you prove you arent a murderer. say look at all these ppl i havnt murdered!!!

anyway the facts are the facts and ppl can try and twist them with their agendas but knowledge is power and always will be against those who want to change history to suit their agendas and favourtisim.its like been back in the trial days.groundhog day
 
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I believe they did try to help Michael with his problems but a person has to want to help themselves. Obviously Michael had dependancy problems but if he didn't want help or wouldn't let people get to him then there is not much anyone could do. I just wish we knew so we could have gone in and dragged CM out of that house.
 
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In reading the Court documents, it sounds like Dr. Conrad Murray did not have the reputation as a "doctor feel good." Therefore, constantly defending the Jackson family was trying to help Michael from his supposed drug addiction is way off base. There is no proof, by my video of LaToya Jackson in May of 2009, that the family was all that concerned, when LaToya clearly states that Michael was doing good, health wise.

If anyone should be blamed for causing Michael stress for financial reasons, I'd ask the Jackson family to look in the mirror. That's what this Lawsuit is all about. Michael was in debt before he agreed to the terms of doing the Concerts scheduled in 2009/2010!
 
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What else did you expect LaToya to say to the media? "Yes my brother is an addict." That really wouldn't have been good. She was denying that Michael had skin cancer which was a story going round at the time.
 
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What I will never understand is if the Jacksons believed Michael was such an addict that interventions were attempted, why not intervene when they were all there together at the anniversary dinner? Perfect opportunity.
 
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LastTear said:
What I will never understand is if the Jacksons believed Michael was such an addict that interventions were attempted, why not intervene when they were all there together at the anniversary dinner? Perfect opportunity.
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Because his children were there and it is not the sort of thing you do in front of an entire family.
 
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No IMO you would take any opportunity if you were worried enough about your loved one, take them to one side, wait till just after the party, if they worked together hey could have managed it. Also do you think Randy knew if the children were at home when he rammed the gates.
 
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LaToya specifically says Michael is good!

Wouldn't she have said something to the Press if she had health concerns about her brother before he died, if after Michael dies the Jackson's go around claiming they had tried to reach Michael about his alleged drug addiction.

Don't you just love autopsies? A strong liver says the said individual had no scarring of the liver, which said individual would have if there was long term drug addiction, as continued drug usage would have built up toxins in the body and would have caused liver damage.
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Alicat, MJ is sick and full blown addict when it serves Jackson's agenda.

Otherwise interesting interview:rofl:
We should send it to Jermaine and other siblings, as LaToya was asked if MJ is going on tour with J5 and she said NO.


Bonnie Blue said:
Geez, what did the jackson side decide to file - all their exciting conspiracy stories of missing tapes, carolwood = piccadilly circus with a cast of characters wandering round on 25 june, the battles over mj's beatles catalogue by the powers that be. It's what we expect from the jacksons but what are these highly expensive lawyers doing by bringing this case with no reasonable evidence.
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They have been talking with all Jackson's and have been infected:scratch:



ivy said:
So we would not seen the 1300 pages of exhibits from Katherine's side regardless of what. But they could have filed a redacted version of their main portion but they did not do it.
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What could be the reason they didn't file redacted version and AEG did?
They claims are so out of this world that they don't want people to see them?

Ivy, or anyone who followed the CM trial, I have a question. Does anyone remember how CM paid all the meds and propofol he ordered and had them sent to his instrument's home?Was the bill sent to AEG and what was reading in them?
 
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^^^^ I seem to remember some going on a girlfriends credit card, the instrument I think, but I may be wrong.
 
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At the end of the day the jackson family defenders will defend the family no matter what regardless of the facts and the evidence and the logic.we saw that during the trial and after.same ppl saying the same things they will always support them over michael even when the facts say the opposite.can we have a thread about janets drugs history? regardless of how we have seen the family act over the last four years it was mj who was the crazy addict.gotta keep the family image going! how the raving addict was gonna manage those fifty jackson five concerts i dunno!

even if mj was a raving addict the family would not have known because they had no relationship with him bar katherine. to act like they actually knew what was going on his life is a laughable as their claims that they keep changing when they need to win a lawsuit or sell some concert tickets!!!
 
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Bubs said:
What could be the reason they didn't file redacted version and AEG did?
They claims are so out of this world that they don't want people to see them?
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laziness or they don't want people to see it

Ivy, or anyone who followed the CM trial, I have a question. Does anyone remember how CM paid all the meds and propofol he ordered and had them sent to his instrument's home?Was the bill sent to AEG and what was reading in them?
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he paid with a check in his clinic's name.
 
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I have a some little tidbits about why Katherine wants to depose Murray.

These are from the documents filed

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Also on Katherine's request MJ Estate has signed a health information authorization form as representative of Michael Jackson while requiring the such information to be marked confidential. In other words Estate has given permission to Murray to discuss his medical treatment of Michael with Katherine's lawyers and labelled such information as "highly confidential".
 
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The people who saw Michael on a regular basis saw nothing wrong with him. His family never saw or talked to him for years at a time and they know what was going on? They change the stories and ideas for whatever reason that suits them. Someone should take all what they have said the last 4 years put it together and show the jury.I am sure they even would be like WTH and what is wrong with these people?
 
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exactly marebear, years at a time is the key word. So that is why I was appalled when Janet and Rebbie started talking about interventions because they worried, yet Janet had always said she didn't see or talk to MJ for years and that she would get what was going on through 'Mother'. What does that tell you? and also like you said they were all together on May 14th 2009 for that anniversary party. If they were worried or concerned all 300 of them at that party should have done an intervention and found out what was going on. For one thing Mike was bone thin why wasn't his mother concerned about his weight? None of them cared as long as MJ was bringing in dough and that's the bottom line. If Mother could convince MJ to allow the boys in on the 02 gigs then all was well no matter what was going on with MJ. They all make me sick.
 
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jaydom7 said:
exactly marebear, years at a time is the key word. So that is why I was appalled when Janet and Rebbie started talking about interventions because they worried, yet Janet had always said she didn't see or talk to MJ for years and that she would get what was going on through 'Mother'. What does that tell you? and also like you said they were all together on May 14th 2009 for that anniversary party. If they were worried or concerned all 300 of them at that party should have done an intervention and found out what was going on. For one thing Mike was bone thin why wasn't his mother concerned about his weight? None of them cared as long as MJ was bringing in dough and that's the bottom line. If Mother could convince MJ to allow the boys in on the 02 gigs then all was well no matter what was going on with MJ. They all make me sick.
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But then couldn't the same thing be applied to everybody else who was around Michael at the time and didn't attempt to do anything about him being so thin etc? If we say the family failed to see what was going on, or chose to ignore it, then surely the same logic must be applied to AEG etc who spent much more time around Michael in the final months?

The problem is that Michael was going to have CM no matter what, which is why AEG are not culpable for what he did. If AEG had insisted against Michael's wishes that he hire Murray, then it would be very different but it was the other way round, which is why this suit is flawed in it's argument.

But it isn't objective to say the family failed by not doing anything because all they wanted was for Michael to perform yet give AEG a free pass for the same thing. We could apply the "nobody cared as long as Mj was bringing in the dough logic" to everyone else around him too.
 
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I don't think AEG or the Jacksons cared about Michael. They both looked at him as a money maker. Granted AEG is a business but still with those emails they were disrespectful to Michael. I don't think they are responsible for what happened to Michael. Murray is the guilty one and it really bothers me how it feels like that's an after thought or something. Where is the anger towards him especially by the family? God knows how many nights he left Michael alone. Unless there is some proof that they told Murray to give Michael propofol for example then I don't see how the Jacksons can win this. Murray is a liar who lied to them about Michael as well.
 
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I believe we will get to hear what went down between Randy Phillips and Joe Jackson on May 15, 2009, at the Beverly Hills Hotel. That's when Randy Phillips, who represented AEG Live, tell Concert Promoter, Leonard Rowe, that Michael was not going to do a Jackson Family Reunion Concert in Dallas, Texas. I'm sure it came up how Leonard was a unscrupulous business person and how his victims, I mean, clients, would sue Leonard Rowe for millions of dollars and Joe Jackson wanted his protege, his son, the biggest Entertainer in the World, to work with said parasite, Leonard Rowe. Gimme a break how many people want a piece of the pie, Michael Jackson. AEG Live were legitimate business people, Leonard Rowe definitely not and why Joe Jackson thought that Michael should work with someone like Leonard Rowe is incomprehensible. And now we have a lawsuit against AEG Live because Michael refused to work with Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe!


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StellaJackson said:
But then couldn't the same thing be applied to everybody else who was around Michael at the time and didn't attempt to do anything about him being so thin etc? If we say the family failed to see what was going on, or chose to ignore it, then surely the same logic must be applied to AEG etc who spent much more time around Michael in the final months?

The problem is that Michael was going to have CM no matter what, which is why AEG are not culpable for what he did. If AEG had insisted against Michael's wishes that he hire Murray, then it would be very different but it was the other way round, which is why this suit is flawed in it's argument.

But it isn't objective to say the family failed by not doing anything because all they wanted was for Michael to perform yet give AEG a free pass for the same thing. We could apply the "nobody cared as long as Mj was bringing in the dough logic" to everyone else around him too.
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Michael was the money maker for the Jackson & for AEG but AEG is a business and the Jacksons were his family. I don't think AEG had a saying on which doctor Michael should see, that was Michael's decision.

Have a question, when you say "it was the other way around" do you mean that AEG insisted that Michael keep Murray as his doctor?

I don't know much about interventions but it's hard to accept or to believe that someone wants to really help you when you know that they have ulterior motives.
 
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his mother concerned about his weight? None of them cared as long as MJ was bringing in dough and that's the bottom line. If Mother could convince MJ to allow the boys in on the 02 gigs then all was well no matter what was going on with MJ. They all make me sick.
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Excatly! first they shouldve scrapped the "family reunion concert" idea off if they were so concerned bout michael but yet they didnt. Shows how much they "cared" for michael huh
 
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This picture is disturbing. it brings back bad memories. Joe and KJ were of course happy showing no sign of concern for their golden son health as they were plotting to be part of MJ gig. and that was 40 days before his untimely death.
 
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StellaJackson said:
We could apply the "nobody cared as long as Mj was bringing in the dough logic" to everyone else around him too.
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I agree with this but there's some minor differences.

as other people commented most people would differentiate between family and a employer business in regards to expectations of caring. Obviously for anyone in any situation the people that would care most would be the family, romantic partners and relatives and then friends . An employer business would not be on the list of expected people to care.

Imagine even a very basic illness such as a cold, while your family would look after you , your employer wouldn't.

So that's the main reason why people are separating Jacksons and AEG and perhaps have different expectations from each of them.

Also from other perspective the double standards coming from the other side - mainly meaning Jacksons- are unbelievable as well. For example I used to follow Karen Faye soon after Michael's death. She would very vocally blame AEG and people associated with the concert. She would also mention how she suspected something and even how she found Michael under influence before 2001 anniversary concerts. I was puzzled by the level of hypocrisy. If she knew for years issues with drugs, if she realized current problems but did nothing then how could she blame others for not doing anything?

Similarly when you look to Jacksons even though they have seen Michael before his death (Katherine just 10 days before) they were a lot more focused on whether Michael should be paid in Euro or dollars, whether Joe and Leonard Rowe can become involved, whether can they convince Michael to do a concert with the family or even include the family in the future tours.

When this double standard is raised the answers you get is standard - they didn't know and/or they didn't have the power to do anything. But again interestingly they assume the other people knew and they had power - which is not necessarily the case.

It's hypocritical for Katherine to say "I did not suspect anything" but for example expect Gongaware to know what was going on at Michael's house simply because he had been involved in previous tours. It's hypocritical for Karen Faye to say "I didn't have the power to take Michael to a hospital" and expect somewhat Randy Phillips had that kind of power on Michael.

So we are left with two choices :either as you pointed out we will need to accept that multiple people knew and multiple people chose to do nothing for whatever reason or we need to accept that Michael was a 50 year old adult and no one had the power to force him into something he didn't want.
 
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Ivy, thanks very much for the post above.

I agree with you 1000000000000%
 
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Agree. the facts show that ppl werent aware of what was going on with diprivan. why would anyone.pick a way of how it would end and you would be hard pressed to create a theory of diprivan. i wonder why the family arent seibg amir williams or alberto. goingg by their gongaware logic alberto etc dhould have totally known as they were in the house. if they didnt know how you can accuse others? Of course alberto isnt apart of a billion $ company.im intrested to hear about the may 15th meeting but who knows what each side will claim about that


MJ was obviously not well at m.s.g. Mj admitted himself about issues he was having around that time.but what that had to do with something that happened 8 years later i dunno there was no connection at all. we know faye didnt work for mj after 05 so i guess she was clinging onto what happened then.and thought it was just a tyoical OD until the facts came out. maybe she was on a guilt trip and is therefore as liable and should be sued? the only one going by that logic who shouldnt be blamed who was around mj was ortega. who sae how mj was in june 09 and made an effort to find out what murray was doing

maybe the jacksons should sue themselves for being a contributing factor to his insomnia. for having him do those fifty j5 concerts. for the texas concerts. for the please let us join you on stage. after all if this close 'tight nit" family didnt know what was going on yet expected everyone else to then in my eyes they are the most negligent. spot the contridiction
 
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I've said all along that Katherine is a hypocrite.. if she thinks AEG and Gongaware should've known, she should have too. She was on a lot of tour dates with MJ back during the History tour. Did she question any doctors with him? did she see equipment and an anesthesiologist? why does she blame AEG but not herself, when she was his mother and according to her had access to him and could come to his house unannounced?
 
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ivy said:
Also on Katherine's request MJ Estate has signed a health information authorization form as representative of Michael Jackson while requiring the such information to be marked confidential. In other words Estate has given permission to Murray to discuss his medical treatment of Michael with Katherine's lawyers and labelled such information as "highly confidential".
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Ivy, are you going to do summary of those docs that was filed by Katherine's side or it that all that we are going to get?

In my opinion, that was a mistake on the estate's side to allow them to talk about MJ medical treatments.
I know it is killing them that they have to ask permission from the estate to talk about their son medical issues as MJ was their son. BUT, we are talking about Jacksons here. I'm willing to bet my last penny that it won't take long after trial is over (if it goes on trial), siblings will make a rounds on talk shows and will be telling on air what CM said. They will find a way, one way or the other to air MJ's highly confidential medical information. As long as they get their name on tabloids or showbiz news, it doesn't matter if they throw MJ under the bus on the way there.
 
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I think the family are hoping murray comes through for them and blames aeg for everything
 
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If Murray talks then he will surely blame someone else whether it is AEG or Michael himself. But even if he did say AEG put him under huge pressure to make sure Michael got to rehearsals I'm not convinced that proves AEG are responsible. In my mind they would have to know what medication he was treating Michael with AND the dangers involved AND be aware that Murray might abandon his patient during treatment.

Ivy, I completely agree with your statement, I can honestly say I don't believe I would be calling the Jacksons out if they weren't stating that they knew there was a problem and yet they are vehemently blaming AEG. People in glass houses etc.
Personally the only person I blame for Michaels death is Conrad Murray.
 
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LastTear said:
If Murray talks then he will surely blame someone else whether it is AEG or Michael himself. But even if he did say AEG put him under huge pressure to make sure Michael got to rehearsals I'm not convinced that proves AEG are responsible. In my mind they would have to know what medication he was treating Michael with AND the dangers involved AND be aware that Murray might abandon his patient during treatment.

Ivy, I completely agree with your statement, I can honestly say I don't believe I would be calling the Jacksons out if they weren't stating that they knew there was a problem and yet they are vehemently blaming AEG. People in glass houses etc.
Personally the only person I blame for Michaels death is Conrad Murray.
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Right.. I wouldn't be calling them out either if after he died they weren't all out there talking addiction, problems and interventions and stating that they 'tried so hard' when the person saying this hadn't seen MJ in years and pretty much stated she 'lost him after Thriller'.. So she's a liar because she didn't try anything and there were no interventions yet she was willing to throw MJ under the bus to erase her own guilt of letting her brother down. This is why I am calling them out because they are blaming AEG when they didn't help their own brother after saying they knew there was a problem.
 
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