[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Ivy, if Murray goes thought this deposition without taking 5th. Then he will have to take witness stand on trial so AEG lawyers can question him too, am I right?

AEG lawyers can be at his deposition and ask him questions too. they have that right. either side can also call murray as a witness and ask questions on the stand too. He can answer or take the 5th on the stand too.

Depositions is to get information before the trial so that you can get ready and to get an idea about what the person will say so you'll know what to expect during a testimony.

 

[Bubs]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

If it goes on trial and Murray is asked to testify. Can he answer some questions and refuse answering others, or is it like like he answers on 1 question, he has to answer all of them?

 

[christy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

The only thing that helps Katherine is Phillips's comments about Michael's financial situation, Murray talking about Michael complaining about he would need to cancel the rehearsals and/or tours. Murray wanted to use this as his defense to show that Michael was desperate for sleep and as a reason to explain why he caved in and gave Michael Propofol.

Not going to fly, he's a doctor not a medical peddler, he's under medical oath to do the right thing

in an example format imagine if your employer had given you a deadline and in order to meet that deadline you keep working by drinking energy drinks nonstop and your heart stops and die, is your employer responsible even though they didn't tell you to work and drink non-stop and did not know you were doing it?

This is rhetoric we all know the outcome. For the desperate fools gambling for a pay day in a civil suit .

Also Murray can explain for when he wanted the medical equipment. That's a disagreement in this case. Katherine claiming AEG did not provide medical equipment to Murray and AEG claiming it was for UK.

Disagreements can muddy the waters for KJ.
AEG wins

[/QUOTE]Also Murray is a wild card in regards to who he can say that knew about Propofol. AEG people are saying that they didn't know.[/QUOTE]

AEG's comment about not being his 'sobriety coach' pretty much squares it

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

If it goes on trial and Murray is asked to testify. Can he answer some questions and refuse answering others, or is it like like he answers on 1 question, he has to answer all of them?

he can answer some and refuse to answer others.

 

[LastTear]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

And if he answers the deposition questions and is called to court, will he have to answer the questions, or can he plead the 5th at that stage? In other words, can he pick and choose between answering some questions and not others?

Edit: I can see that has just been answered. Such a slow poke

 

[Big Apple2]

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In his interview Murray said Michael was knowledgeable about Propofol , called it "milk" and "antiburn" and mentioned how other doctors including Adams and doctors at Germany gave it to Michael. This is again fits with AEG's claims of "addiction" and refutes Katherine's claims that Propofol was AEG's idea or selection.

In my opinion, this point right here will be one of Mother's biggest hurdles.

Talking about "OTHER doctors, including Adams AND doctors in Germany gave it to Michael."

I don't know how true any of that is, but I'm sure AEG will search under every rock, in order to back up those claims. Independent of Murray, because Murray can't be trusted in my opinion. AEG knows that and will need additional proof to back up Murray's words. IF Murray doesn't take the 5th that is.

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Well Adams has already fined for giving Michael Propofol in the dentist Tadrissi's office for a dental procedure- an office that didn't have the necessary permit. We don't know if Adams will admit to other occasions especially with no medical reason.

Neil Ratner has been long suspected in regards to Propofol. He never admitted or talked about his medical treatment of Michael.

Frank Cascio in his book has mentioned doctors coming into Michael's room after the bridge collapse. He might be able to verify the German doctors.

You also have Metzger and Nurse Lee who have said Michael asked them about Propofol. There's also the chatterbox Arnold Klein who did publicly talked about a long Propofol history blaming Hoefflin.

I think it'll be very easy for AEG to establish that, it's also obvious from their recent comments of "sobriety coach" in which they are hinting an addiction claim.

 

[LastTear]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Addiction claim? well they can quote The Jacksons left right and centre for that one.

Ivy wasn't it actually Blanket who he was fined over?

 

[Bubs]

An elusive New York doctor is refusing to answer a subpoena about the clean bill of health he gave Michael Jackson just months before the pop icon died, according to a suit filed in Manhattan Supreme Court.
Concert promoter AEG Live hired Dr. David Slavit to conduct a physical examination of the singer before his 2009 "This is It" series of performances in London for insurance purposes.
The pop icon's family is suing the concert promoter for pushing him to perform despite his failing health.
Based in Los Angeles, AEG claims that Slavit has repeatedly dodged giving a deposition about his suspect appraisal of Jackson's health and refused to release medical records since April of last year.

The company wants a judge to finally force the New York-based doctor to comply with the subpoena so that the wrongful death suit can proceed.

I wonder who hired him to do MJ's physical?
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As for his relation to Jackson, according to AEG Live’s Randy Phillips, Slavit was, “hired by the insurance carriers” for the physical.

”[He] was hired by the insurance carriers to come out here,” Phillips previously told Access Hollywood. “He gave Michael a pretty grueling five-hour physical and did all the tests…we were never privy to the patient doctor information, which we wouldn’t be. But our insurance broker told us that Michael passed with flying colors – those were the words — and all he had was a little hay fever.”

Phillips said AEG received the policy, which would not have been issued without the physical report.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/mich...tion-who-is-doctor-david-slavit_article_22144
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AEG never saw the report, but as insurance were given so they thought MJ was ok to continue.

 

[LastTear]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

On a much lesser scale my husband needed a physical for some insurance and they sent a doctor out to our house. So I guess it is standard practice for insurance companies to use their own doctors. I just don't know why he wont give a deposition though.

 

[Big Apple2]

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AEG never saw the report, but as insurance were given so they thought MJ was ok to continue.

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, why would a doctor just hand over his patient's medical file to a NON-doctor. The okay sign was all AEG needed to see and I guess they got that when the insurance was issued.

They got the okay from the insurance carrier and they also got the "he's fine, mind your business" from Murray.

 

[Bubs]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

I think MJ had seen Dr Slevit before this insurance physical.
I'm desperately trying to think what AEG is after with Slevit

Are they going to claim that MJ and Slevit together, or Slevit by his own initiative made up those records that MJ passed medical with flying colours, and they didn't know the actual condition of MJ?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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I presume they just want slavit because he said mj was fine etc. Not this frail weak man the family claim. if slavit said he was fine it doesnt make sense that aeg should have known or ordered murray to do what he did. there was no warning in the medical that aeg should have been aware of

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

I'm desperately trying to think what AEG is after with Slevit

Are they going to claim that MJ and Slevit together, or Slevit by his own initiative made up those records that MJ passed medical with flying colours, and they didn't know the actual condition of MJ?

I would imagine that they want Slavit to say Michael was healthy and therefore AEG had no reason to suspect any foul behavior.

On a much lesser scale my husband needed a physical for some insurance and they sent a doctor out to our house. So I guess it is standard practice for insurance companies to use their own doctors. I just don't know why he wont give a deposition though.

It is standard practice and I too are wondering why he is avoiding deposition. It could be confidentiality issue though such as he wouldn't talk unless a judge orders him to talk so that he wont have problems with hipaa

Ivy wasn't it actually Blanket who he was fined over?

Both Michael and Blanket. It was a legit dental operation. It was just that the dentist did not have the permit for anesthesia. So that was a minor issue.

Murray claimed Adams gave Michael Propofol in his office for sleep - no medical procedure. We don't know if Adams would admit to it or not.

 

[Big Apple2]

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Not this frail weak man the family claim.

Yeah, the frail weak man who was prepared to do 50 concert dates with his brothers, AFTER he finished his 50 solo dates, as per Jermaine.

I hope AEG gets their hands on that interview.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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^ Aeg should get their hands on the jackson's guardian interview where they're completely off the hook and the brothers claim that it was actually sony that was responsible for mj's death. They wanted control of the beatles catalogue apparently. Maybe we should set up another thread for jackson v sony in readiness when this lawsuit fails.

 

[Petrarose]

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^^But what kind of strange addict would Michael be to only receive his addiction drug like every 7 years? I mean if AEG is hinting that Michael was a prof addict with their "sobriety" term, how did Michael stay away from the drugs during non-touring times. Then, I thought you could not be addicted to prof but you can be dependent on it, as an aide?

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Only 2 documents are added to the online system and these are from AEG and MJ Estate to seal portions of the documents. and we all already know that those are about Michael's medical records, personal and financial information of all the parties as well as the people deposed. So there's nothing new or worth mentioning.

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However the good news is that Monday we will get media stories about the hearing

Anthony McCartney ?@mccartneyAP
Based on my @ mentions, not a lot of love from Jermaine's name change today. I'm expecting some meatier Jackson news on Monday.

Anthony McCartney ?@mccartneyAP
Yup RT @Ivy_4MJ: @mccartneyAP are you going to report the oral argument for the summary judgment at Katherine Jackson - AEG Trial?

Anthony McCartney ?@mccartneyAP
Not expecting to live-tweet it, but will have updates as soon as possible after hearing is done.

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Monday the hearing will start at 8:45 AM PST.

 

[Petrarose]

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^^Good news so we will hear something about the arguments.

I did not realize Jermaine's name change was still going on, or is it that I am not reading that tweet properly?

 

[ivy]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

you are reading it correctly. Jermaine had filed a request for a name change and today a judge had approved it. Anthony from AP has written an article about it today and then started talking about how Monday he would have other Jackson related story.

 

[Petrarose]

I got Aphrodite new edition because I thought it had a lot of new things, which it did not. However, in the new last chapter I found this & was wondering what do you guys think she saw in the medical records from 09. What do you think she is trying to tell us about the significance of the use of the Omar name which we heard about already? Does this have something to do with Katherine asking for pathological slides? She also talks about Randy's comments & feelings. After reading it I now believe in liar Muarry's comments about how Randy said that he paid for the toilet paper Michel is wiping his ass with, etc. Now I am wondering if Randy had some hate or jealousy towards Michael.

Pg 301: …Phillips told me that he was the only guy willing to give poor ‘ol Michael a chance to make a comeback. It was odd to hear this, especially knowing that in March of 2000, the ticket demand for MJ’s “This Is It” tour was unprecedented……If MJ was able to sell out an unprecedented 50 concerts, how in the world did Randy Phillips view himself as MJ’s life saver?......

Pg 302….Frank deLio, who explained why Michael agreed to perform the 50 dates. DeLio told me that Michael had a personal goal in mind: he was setting out to beat the record number of concerts performed by the “Artist Formerly Known As Prince,” who played 21 nights at the O2 Arena in London in the summer of 2007…..
Whatever the case, Frank DeLio didn’t feel any sense of responsibility for Michael’s death. And as for Randy Phillips, who felt underappreciated by Michael, and by his family and his fans, he balked at the notion that AEG had any responsibility, whatsoever, regarding the demise of Michael Jackson. Phillips vowed that AEG would fight the Jackson estate to the end of the earth….
…..It sounds possible, even plausible….Perhaps the AEG people, along with DeLio, used this “phantom contest” with Prince, as a way to get MJ to agree to such a mammoth tour.

….I went another direction which allowed me to get my hands on something else, something much more concrete than rumors and theories—in the form of MJ’s medical records—which practically no one has seen. Though they have been sealed by the Superior Court in LA, some of Michael’s past medical records were entered into the Conrad Muarry trial as evidence. And I had the opportunity to review what went on in 2009 in the Beverly Hills office of Dr. Arnold Klein.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I Spent a long time pausing over that. But then ultimately, I felt MJ’s medical records—were better left locked away. I will only confirm that MJ was sometimes listed under the patient name “Omar Arnold.” I choose to say nothing more about it. I believe in karma, and I believe in the Golden Rule. Since his death, while I was procrastinating on any book update, Michael came to me vividly in a dream…..

 

[Gif9gud]

I havnt heard anything about a new edition of Aphrodite´s book (?)

 

[Petrarose]

I havnt heard anything about a new edition of Aphrodite´s book (?)

Not to derail the thread there is one, but if you have an original version you don't need the second one. There is only a new chapter with a couple of pages at the end.

I wonder if Katherine's attorneys have looked at the comments Randy made & if they will ask Muarry about that during the deposition. I hope we could find out about what happens during the deposition.

 

[Aquarius]

I got Aphrodite new edition because I thought it had a lot of new things, which it did not. However, in the new last chapter I found this & was wondering what do you guys think she saw in the medical records from 09. What do you think she is trying to tell us about the significance of the use of the Omar name which we heard about already? Does this have something to do with Katherine asking for pathological slides? She also talks about Randy's comments & feelings. After reading it I now believe in liar Muarry's comments about how Randy said that he paid for the toilet paper Michel is wiping his ass with, etc. Now I am wondering if Randy had some hate or jealousy towards Michael.

….Phillips told me that he was the only guy willing to give poor ‘ol Michael a chance to make a comeback.]

Probably because Michael wasn't touring or releasing new music he thought no one was interest in Michael anymore, how wrong he was. But on the other hand, why get into bus & invest hundreds of millions of dollars on someone that no one wants to deal with?

Phillips seems to me the kind of a bus man with lots of arrongance underneath. Unlike Murray whose arrongance is visible.

….I went another direction which allowed me to get my hands on something else, something much more concrete than rumors and theories—in the form of MJ’s medical records—which practically no one has seen. Though they have been sealed by the Superior Court in LA, some of Michael’s past medical records were entered into the Conrad Muarry trial as evidence. And I had the opportunity to review what went on in 2009 in the Beverly Hills office of Dr. Arnold Klein.

Is she talking about the sealed documents or the ones presented at trial. For me it's hard to know what's true about the medical files that came from Klein's office. He doesn't seem to be an honest person and his associates are not different. Couldn't they just create medical records to just bill Michael? Nothing against Aphrodite, she seems to be a good person and I respect her having the guts to write the true instead of follow the trends of her peers.

Phillips vowed that AEG would fight the Jackson estate to the end of the earth….

Did Phillips thought the estate was going to take action against AEG? Does she says why?

I don't now about medicine but didn't the coroner said Michael's organ were in good shape, wouldn't the slides show the same result?

I believe in karma, and I believe in the Golden Rule. I also believe that sooner or later the effects of our actions will catch up with us.

 

[Petrarose]

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Aquarious I think when Phillips vowed about the Jackson estate, he was talking about Katherine Jackson family. Philips no doubt know that Katherine's family is behind the lawsuit, even though Michael's kids names are there. Aphrodite does not say why Phillips made that comment though.

Like you I am not clear if she is talking about the sealed docs either, since I typed those parts verbatim. She claims that his medical was sealed, but it seems she looked at what was presented at court. I am assuming that reporters cannot go & look at sealed documents. Am I right? I don't understand her point about this Omar name. She makes it mysterious as though she does not want to say something she has no facts about. It seems she is speculating about something in her head, so she can't say it for fear of being sued?

I agree with your analysis of Philips. God knows what else he said to Muarry about Michael or even to the other bosses.

Yes the coroner said Michael body and organs were in good shape, so I do not understand what she saw in the medical that made her go Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe she is talking about Klien's people giving Michael the numbing drug, & she finds it too high, but this Omar thing is driving me crazy. Is she saying there are 2 medical reports there: 1 is Michael Jackson & another is Omar & the Omar one shows different things. I better stop because I am getting into conspiracy.

 

[ivy]

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In my opinion, she's questioning Klein's treatment of Michael. Painkillers are the number one reason for addiction. Klein was giving high amounts of painkillers to Michael who had previously in 1993 had dealt with an addiction to painkillers. The higher than average but within daily maximums and the use of another name makes her suspicious in my opinion.

As for what Phillips said, not everyone would be happy but there's some truth to it. From an organizer / promoter perspective Michael hadn't toured over a decade, he had went through a serious allegation and trial. For any organizer / producer he would have been an unknown and/or high risk investment. AEG might be one of the few willing to take that risk - and even not so much given that they made a contract that kept Michael responsible for the production costs. When the tickets were announced and sold everyone probably realized that Michael still had the power to fill the stadiums.

 

[ilmjj]

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I am having so much truble trying to understand why Katherine is willing to trash Michael's professional and personal reputation. As his mother you would hope she would risk it all to protect him. In life and death... Why is she allowing such horrible things to be said about her son? With one word from her it could all stop. Please Katherine for once in your life put Michael first!

Randy Phillips is a bastard and I am not expecting him to care about Micheal but his own mother I do!
Why must Michael be the one to always be sacrificed so the Jackson's can get their money?

My heart breaks for Michael. He put up with this his whole life.

Fasten your seat belts #MJFamily because it is going to get really rocky

 

[Gif9gud]

I am having so much truble trying to understand why Katherine is willing to trash Michael's professional and personal reputation. As his mother you would hope she would risk it all to protect him. In life and death... Why is she allowing such horrible things to be said about her son? With one word from her it could all stop. Please Katherine for once in your life put Michael first!

Well, this may be Kate´s last chance to get some big money for her children. Once she has passed away at least some of them, probably Jermaine and Randy, will be in a very desperate situation.

 

[Nathy MJ]

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Is she talking about the sealed documents or the ones presented at trial. For me it's hard to know what's true about the medical files that came from Klein's office. He doesn't seem to be an honest person and his associates are not different. Couldn't they just create medical records to just bill Michael? Nothing against Aphrodite, she seems to be a good person and I respect her having the guts to write the true instead of follow the trends of her peers.

I believe that too. When I saw the medical records at the Murray trial, it gave me the impression that some medication wasn't necessary for the procedures and was put on the record just to bill Michael. For example the so called 51 demerol injections, I don't believe in this amount. I think it was put on record just to get more money from MJ.

 

[Justthefacts]

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And I may be wrong but I don't think the estate ever paid Klein's CC.