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It is sickening, but there is a hope for the kids as long as they remember what Michael told them repeatedly.
"As long as I can remember my dad had repeatedly warned me of certain people and their ways."





Obviously they don't even bother to keep their stories straight, as long as they are mentioned on tabloids, they are happy. Didn't Katherine say some interview (cannot remember where I read it) that Michael was doing too many concerts, but it was her that got the number of the concerts reduced (we thought it was DiLeo)?

Summary, according to their own words:Katherine thought MJ was working too hard, but according to siblings, he wasn't working hard enough if concerts were going to be increased to 100:doh:


Yep! On Piers Morgan, Katherine told Piers that she went to Randy Phillips or some AEG member and told them that MJ needed more days in between shows and not so much back to back. She said that.. Now my thing is if she was negotiating these kinds of things for Michael why wasn't she concerned about her son's health? Mike was skin and bones yet Katherine wasn't concerned?:bugeyed
 
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Any legal people here?????
Obviously AEG has filed something, but this damn article requires registration which is free but they asking what law firm I'm from when I tried to register:angry:

Michael Jackson's concert promoter: We weren't his 'sobriety coach'
By Amanda BronstadContactAll Articles

The National Law JournalFebruary 19, 2013
Efforts by Michael Jackson's mother and children to pin at least a portion of the blame for the singer's 2009 death on the promoters of his planned comeback tour will come to a head in a courtroom next week.


This article requires free registration to The National Law Journal. Please sign in or register to read the full text.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArtic...concert_promoter_We_werent_his_sobriety_coach
 
Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Bubs you are so cute and invested in this :)

As I mentioned yesterday it was due date for AEG to file their response. Assuming it's redacted and public (seems like that from the article) we should be able to get it tonight or in a few days. I'll keep checking it every night.

And it seems the article is about the next week - Feb 25 - oral arguments.
 
Thanks Ivy:)

Haa, I got it.


Michael Jackson's concert promoter: We weren't his 'sobriety coach'
By*Amanda Bronstad*Contact*All Articles*
The National Law Journal
February 19, 2013



Michael Jackson in 1984
Efforts by Michael Jackson's mother and children to pin at least a portion of the blame for the singer's 2009 death on the promoters of his planned comeback tour will come to a head in a courtroom next week.
Los Angeles County, Calif., Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos was scheduled to consider defense motions for summary judgment on February 25, ahead of an April 2 trial date. Jackson died on June 25, 2009, days before he was scheduled to start the This Is It tour in London. He was 50 years old.

Katherine Jackson and Michael Jackson's three children have accused AEG Live LLC of negligence and breach of contract in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician who was convicted of manslaughter for administering the singer a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol to treat insomnia. They also accuse AEG Live of valuing profits over the singer's health, forcing him to maintain a "grueling" rehearsal schedule despite knowing that he was ill in the days before his death.

In addition to AEG Live, the suit names its parent corporation, Anschutz Entertainment Group Inc., and its president and chief executive officer, Timothy Leiweke; AEG Live president and chief executive officer Brandon "Randy" Phillips; and AEG Live co-CEO Paul Gongaware.
In summary judgment motions filed last fall, the defendants moved to dismiss the allegations, arguing that none of them had a "special relationship" with Jackson that required them to protect the singer from his doctor — and that, in any event, no one could have foreseen that Murray would kill his own patient. They added that they hadn't hired Murray, even though AEG Live agreed to advance his fee of $150,000 per month.
Anschutz Entertainment Group and Leiweke argued that they never had any relationship with Jackson at all.
"The most important thing to note is that Michael Jackson asked AEG Live to be his concert promoter, not his sobriety coach. AEG never assumed a duty to protect Michael Jackson from his longstanding private demons or from his longtime doctor," lead defense attorney Marvin Putnam, a Los Angeles partner at O'Melveny & Myers, wrote in an e-mail to The National Law Journal.
"AEG Live was Michael Jackson's concert promoter. Period. As a result of that, AEG Live and Michael Jackson had professional and financial ties. But AEG Live never assumed any duties whatsoever with respect to Michael Jackson's healthcare."
Kevin Boyle of Panish Shea & Boyle in Los Angeles, lead counsel for the plaintiffs, declined to comment.

WHO HIRED DOCTOR?
Murray was found guilty in 2011 of involuntary manslaughter and is serving a prison term of four years. The summary judgment arguments involve the legal obligations and relationships between AEG and Jackson.
"At the time of his death, Michael Jackson was under the immediate care of a doctor selected by, hired by, and controlled by AEG; indeed AEG demanded and required that Michael Jackson be treated by this particular doctor to ensure that Michael Jackson would attend all rehearsals and shows on the tour," Jackson's heirs wrote in their first amended complaint, filed on March 26, 2012. "AEG had an employment contract with this doctor that, among other benefits, paid him $150,000 per month with his sole and exclusive job being to make sure Michael Jackson got to rehearsals and shows."

The relationship began with a January 26, 2009, tour contract between AEG Live and Jackson, according to the complaint. AEG then allegedly retained Murray, promising to pay for any medical equipment, supplies, treatments or assistants necessary to making sure the singer made it to rehearsals. Jackson, who was in substantial debt at the time, was in "no condition to say no to AEG," they wrote.
"AEG knew or should have known that it was jeopardizing Jackson's health and safety by assuming control over the doctor-patient relationship between Jackson and Murray, and by directing and influencing Murray to act without regard to medical safety standards," the complaint alleged.

In his email, Putnam emphasized that AEG had not employed Murray, who was Jackson's longtime physician. He added that Jackson, not AEG, directed Murray's actions.
"Needless to say, nobody from AEG Live had any idea what Dr. Murray and Michael Jackson were doing in Michael Jackson's bedroom at night," he wrote. "That was between Dr. Conrad Murray and his patient Michael Jackson."

In their summary judgment motions, the defendants denied they were under any duty of care to protect Jackson. Anschutz Entertainment Group and Leiweke added that they had no connection with Jackson and were never parties to the contract between Jackson and AEG Live.
"The only connection between Jackson's death and defendants is that he was preparing for a tour produced by defendant AEG Live at the time he passed away. Despite two years of discovery in which defendants produced hundreds of thousands of documents, plaintiffs still have no evidence to support the wild allegations in their amended complaint," Putnam wrote in one of the summary judgment motions.

The defendants denied that they financially pressured Jackson into going to rehearsals despite his ill health. Although AEG advanced Murray's monthly fee, Jackson was responsible for paying his salary, they wrote.
Furthermore, a draft contract between Murray and AEG was never executed before Jackson's death.
"Jackson, an intelligent adult who plaintiffs concede was capable of managing his own business affairs, voluntarily entered the Agreement on January 26, 2009," Putnam wrote in the motion. "That Jackson felt pressure to work to meet his financial needs makes his situation no different from that of most Americans."

THE FIGHT OVER DOCUMENTS
During next week's hearing, Palazuelos may rule on whether to seal a range of documents related to the summary judgment motions. Many of documents in the case have remained confidential, having been filed provisionally under seal under a protective order issued by Palazuelos on January 11, 2012. For example, only a redacted portion of the defense summary judgment motion has been made public. The documents the defense wants to seal involve details of Jackson's health, including medical items found at his Beverly Hills, Calif., house following his death; personal, business and other confidential information provided by Kenneth Ortega, director of the tour; and confidential and private discussions among the tour's producers and directors. The defense also wants to seal documents provided by the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which prosecuted Murray.
Jackson's heirs, in a February 8 court document, noted that the defendants have earmarked 90 percent of the discovery material as confidential; the First Amendment, they wrote, imposes a high burden to seal so much of the case.
They opposed the sealing of any documents except depositions from medical professionals discussing Jackson's health or his medical records. They also opposed the sealing of internal emails and other communications among the AEG defendants and other parties to the case who had no knowledge of Jackson's medical condition.

This actually is the second fight over confidential documents in the case. On September 2, a report in the Los Angeles Times cited hundreds of pages of confidential emails among the defendants indicating that AEG executives had pressed ahead with rehearsals despite serious concerns about Jackson's mental and physical health. Lloyd's of London, which had sued AEG for failing to disclose Jackson's drug use when taking out an insurance policy on the pop star, dropped the concert promoter from the case after the company abandoned its $17.5 million claim against that policy.

The defendants moved for sanctions against the plaintiffs' attorneys, accusing them of leaking those documents in violation of the protective order. The defendants sought sanctions of $50,000, plus $1,500 to be paid to the court and an order excluding any document related to the leak.
The plaintiffs' attorneys targeted by the sanctions motion were Boyle and fellow attorneys Brian Panish, Peter Polos, Robert Glassman and Jennifer Farrell at Panish Shea & Boyle; K.C. Maxwell of the Law Office of K.C. Maxwell in San Francisco; Michael Koskoff and Bill Bloss at Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder, a personal injury firm in Bridgeport, Conn.; Perry Sanders Jr. of the Sanders Law Firm, a personal injury shop in Lake Charles, La.; and Sandra Ribera at San Francisco's Ribera Law Firm, also specializing in personal injury. The plaintiffs' attorneys insisted that they had not provided the leaked documents.
On November 5, Palazuelos denied the sanctions order, ruling that the defendants hadn't provided evidence sufficient to prove a willful violation of the protective order. But on February 13, she ordered that those documents remain sealed.
 
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good job :)

we know most of these. the only new information is the quotes from AEG's lawyer

as I mentioned I'll check every night to see if any other document will be posted at the online system
 
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:kickass: To Bubs, well done.
 
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So this is Katherine's side all its glory
Boyle, Brian Panish, Peter Polos, Robert Glassman and Jennifer Farrell at Panish Shea & Boyle; K.C. Maxwell of the Law Office of K.C. Maxwell in San Francisco; Michael Koskoff and Bill Bloss at Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder, a personal injury firm in Bridgeport, Conn.; Perry Sanders Jr. of the Sanders Law Firm, a personal injury shop in Lake Charles, La.; and Sandra Ribera at San Francisco's Ribera Law Firm

I hope they don't send billing to Michael's estate.

"The documents the defense wants to seal involve details of Jackson's health, including medical items found at his Beverly Hills, Calif., house following his death; personal, business and other confidential information provided by Kenneth Ortega, director of the tour; and confidential and private discussions among the tour's producers and directors. The defense also wants to seal documents provided by the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which prosecuted Murray."

You would think Katherine's side would have wanted to seal documents mentioned above, but that request came from opposite party.
 
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Katherine's side is quite hypocritical in this case. They didn't even file their opposition in a redacted version to the public and they complain about the exhibits AEG want to seal. At least AEG does file their motions accessible by public but just seal the details.

As for the billing I'm thinking it's quite obvious that MJ Estate is paying KAtherine's legal fees.
 
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Katherine's side is quite hypocritical in this case. They didn't even file their opposition in a redacted version to the public and they complain about the exhibits AEG want to seal. At least AEG does file their motions accessible by public but just seal the details.

As for the billing I'm thinking it's quite obvious that MJ Estate is paying KAtherine's legal fees.

Holy c..p!!!!! The estate has to take a loan against Sony/ATV catalogue in order to pay all those lawyers.
I thought Sanders and Ribeira are consultants in this case, and Katherine (the estate) pays their work and other lawyers work for no win-no fee basis?
 
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Hard to say for sure, but remember recently KAtherine asked for more money for her legal expenses. I would think that the extra legal expense she would have would be these lawyers in AEG case
 
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AEG knew or should have known that it was jeopardizing Jackson's health and safety by assuming control over the doctor-patient relationship between Jackson and Murray, and by directing and influencing Murray to act without regard to medical safety standards," the complaint alleged.

"Needless to say, nobody from AEG Live had any idea what Dr. Murray and Michael Jackson were doing in Michael Jackson's bedroom at night," he wrote. "That was between Dr. Conrad Murray and his patient Michael Jackson."

So Mother and her team are basically saying that AEG knew about the Diprovan. If that is their case in chief, they are going to have to prove that.

Which I dobut will ever happen, because like AEG says: "Nobody from AEG knew what Michael and Murray were doing in Michael's bedroom at night." It's absurd to even think that AEG would have directed Murray to do something so dangerous just so Michael would be able to make rehearsal every day.

Well I guess if that's the way Mother wants to play it, she better come up with some Diprovan e-mails from AEG. Or some receipts showing that AEG provided Murray with the Diprovan.

Like that article states - Where's the proof that AEG knew what was going on in Michael's bedroom?
 
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Again if Katherine is saying AEG should have known about MJ's health issues, the question then becomes why didn't she as his mother? And if Michael used this before like back in 1997 during his History tour in which Katherine attended some shows, did she know about the diprivan? was she aware that her sons was seeing doctors and anesthesiologists for sleep?
 
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What we have seen so far was Katherine saying Gongaware had been on tour with Michael before and therefore should have known that he used Propofol.

by that logic hundreds of people that has been on tour with Michael - including Katherine - should have been aware.
 
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What we have seen so far was Katherine saying Gongaware had been on tour with Michael before and therefore should have known that he used Propofol.

by that logic hundreds of people that has been on tour with Michael - including Katherine - should have been aware.



Exactly Ivy! I said it in my post above. Katherine was there for a lot of MJ's tour dates, was she aware of the doctors and the equipment and the anesthesiologist? did she ask any questions?
 
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Yep! On Piers Morgan, Katherine told Piers that she went to Randy Phillips or some AEG member and told them that MJ needed more days in between shows and not so much back to back. She said that.. Now my thing is if she was negotiating these kinds of things for Michael why wasn't she concerned about her son's health? Mike was skin and bones yet Katherine wasn't concerned?:bugeyed

I'm pretty certain mrs j told piers that she phoned mj to tell him to get the shows reduced. Saying she went to randy phillips or someone at aeg would have to be confirmed by these people, whereas mj isn't here to say whether she phoned him or not. My impression would have been that she'd be looking for mj to do more shows so the other bros could get a look in.

Bubs said:
Thanks Ivy:)

Haa, I got it.

Thanks bubs. What lawfirm did you register under - Bubs and Bubs. :D
 
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What we have seen so far was Katherine saying Gongaware had been on tour with Michael before and therefore should have known that he used Propofol.

by that logic hundreds of people that has been on tour with Michael - including Katherine - should have been aware.
I know folks have mentioned a particular doctor that travelled with Michael back in the day, a doctor who "may" have provided Michael with Diprovan during that period. Not sure if any of that is true or not, BUT

If that particular doctor's name comes up, can he testify as to what, if any, treatment he was giving Michael during a past concert series?

I just keep thinking that if "somebody" testifies that Michael was very familiar with Diprovan, because he used it before. Then Mother's case is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY dead in the water.
 
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Attack me if you want; but I will never support a group of unknown people in a big multi-national corporation, like AEG, over the rights of the individual. :trytobeangel
 
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did she ask any questions?

I'm thinking that the ONLY question she may have asked was: "How long before that concert check clears, you know Jermaine has to make a child support payment."
 
Big Apple2;3780274 said:
I know folks have mentioned a particular doctor that travelled with Michael back in the day, a doctor who "may" have provided Michael with Diprovan during that period. Not sure if any of that is true or not, BUT

If that particular doctor's name comes up, can he testify as to what, if any, treatment he was giving Michael during a past concert series?

I just keep thinking that if "somebody" testifies that Michael was very familiar with Diprovan, because he used it before. Then Mother's case is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY dead in the water.

Neil Ratner? Yes he can testify this is a civil trial and I would assume that such doctors were deposed as well.

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Info copied from here : http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/413753

NEIL RATNER:

I thought I'd post some info on the man some media outlets have suggested may have initially introduced Michael to propofol. His name is NEIL RATNER, he is an anesthesiologist, currently residing in NY, who reportedly accompanied Michael on the Bad and History tours.

Ratner's background is interesting because prior to and during Ratner's career in medicine it has been reported that Ratner was also involved in concert promotion and worked with and managed bands such as Pink Floyd, ELP, Three Dog Night and Peter Frampton, and Ratner also owned a recording studio.

It is reported that Ratner was well known to many in the music industry because of his involvement in the music business and his unique ability and willingness to provide musicians with necessary and unorthodox medical treatments. It is also reported that Michael knew of Neil Ratner via singer/song writer Denise Richards who was at one time involved with Ratner's business partner, Dr. Niels Lauersen (who was tried for insurance fraud along with Ratner). It has been reported that Michael is not the only musician/patient that Ratner traveled with and assisted with unorthodox or questionable treatments, Pink Floyd has been mentioned.

Ratner himself has admitted to have been addicted to a variety of drugs in the past, to include anesthesia. Ratner has admitted to being on drugs while in the operating room treating patients. Ratner also stated he is/was an addiction specialist.

In the medical field, Ratner has been noted as being a genius, a renegade, one to push the boundaries, and a drug addict.

In 2000, the government was suing Dr. Niels Lauersen, an OBGYN physician Ratner worked with, for insurance fraud and Ratner was the government's star witness. However the government prosecutor was concerned of Ratner testifying due to Ratner's shaky background. So the government's attorneys started the questioning of Ratner by having Ratner admit to dodging the Vietnam draft, to being unable to get into an American med school, to dealing drugs, and to being "pretty stoned a lot of the time I was giving anesthesia," once accidentally injecting himself with a paralyzing agent on the job. Ratner testified to falsifying insurances forms. Ratner who had since lost privileges at three hospitals for failing to follow appropriate hospital policies and protocols had his medical license suspended in 2002 for participating insurance fraud.

** During the 2000 insurance fraud trial, the government prosecutor introduced a line of questioning about the treatment Ratner provided to Michael during the History tour, attempting to have Ratner to answer questions about medications (propofol, anesthesia, narcotics, etc) Ratner provided or administered to Michael believing that Ratner's treatments to Michael were illegal. *** If only someone had intervened at that time!

If all the information is true about Neil Ratner I feel so badly for Michael. I can imagine that if Michael had difficulties with insomnia while touring, and if Michael was reaching out for help, and if Michael was introduced to Neil Ratner, who has a unique background of working with and managing some of the biggest and most successful musical acts of 70's (Pink Floyd, Peter Frampton, Three Dog Night), if Ratner was consider a medical genius, an anesthesiologist with a unique sensitivity and understanding of the music business, who also specialized in drug addiction, if Ratner suggested this course of treatment - proposal - and if Ratner assured Michael it was a safe treatment that he had previously provided to others in MJ's situation, I imagine that if it is true that Ratner traveled with Michael with a portable, but fully operational medical unit and a second physician to assist, and if all of this happened back in the 90s, and this course of treatment seemed to have served it's purpose and was considered successful, it is easy for me to imagine that Michael would feel safe in requesting this method of treatment - propofol - again. TRAGIC!!

IF everything I have read is true, Neil Ratner makes my skin crawl, and I will NEVER forgive him for being so reckless to introduce such a beautiful soul to a deadly course of treatment! I think I HATE this man!

Below are SEVERAL LINKS regarding Neil Ratner.
Lots of information, take a look, post your thoughts...

Mido

CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Video Interview with Neil Ratner:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/jackson.wrap/index.html#cnnS...

Neil Ratner Won’t Admit To Giving Jackson Drugs During Feb 2000 Court Hearing:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/02/09/2000-02-09_crocked_d...

Neil Ratner Accompanies MJ on History Tour:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...siologist.html

Neil Ratner rents MJ home in NY:
http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/jackson-michael-*****-neil-ratner-niels-...

Neil Ratner Confirms Mj’s Sleep Disorder: http://askville.amazon.com/Neil-Ratner-drug-Michael-Jackson/AnswerViewer...

Neil Ratner Music Industry Background:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/neil-ratner/4/24b/530

Neil Ratner Notice of Suspension of Medical License:
http://w3.health.state.ny.us/opmc/factions.nsf/eed59008a3228eef852568c0004e55b5/d37172ffaeddd52685256bff00655907/$FILE/lc148415.pdf

OB Insurance Fraud Article/Ratner involved but NOT the focus of article but Ratner is discussed:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/health/features/3422/index1.html

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Note: I think Ratner was at Dangerous and History tours and not Bad.
 
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Thanks bubs. What lawfirm did you register under - Bubs and Bubs. :D

N/A and I'm a law student :cheeky:
I feel like real law student and Ivy is my teacher.
 
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Attack me if you want; but I will never support a group of unknown people in a big multi-national corporation, like AEG, over the rights of the individual. :trytobeangel

Multi-national corporations are made of individuals like you and me among others.
 
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Attack me if you want; but I will never support a group of unknown people in a big multi-national corporation, like AEG, over the rights of the individual.

I hear you, but in this particular case:

I don't for one second believe that AEG knew what Murray was doing up in Michael's bedroom dang near every night. They probably didn't even know that Murray spent the night there sometimes. I mean, why would they know.

My employer doesn't know what I do once I'm no longer at work. Does your employer know what you do when you're at home?

I also believe that AEG is more protective of Michael in this case, then his own family is. Look at the Jacksons, they will throw Michael under the bus in a second, if it fits into their agenda.
 
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Attack me if you want; but I will never support a group of unknown people in a big multi-national corporation, like AEG, over the rights of the individual. :trytobeangel

What individual rights? The right to drag mj through the mud in this showtrial and have all his 'longstanding personal demons' as aeg called mj's insomnia, exposed and poured over in every media outlet there is? All for the desperate hope there might be a pot of gold for the jacksons at the end of it all?

Big apple said:
I also believe that AEG is more protective of Michael in this case, then his own family is.
You think? I'm sure aeg will do everything they can to defend this case and if that means painting mj as a basketcase, out of control addict who was bent on self-destruction i don't think they would hesitate. Unfortunately I'm not expecting either side to be protective of mj.
 
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Attack me if you want; but I will never support a group of unknown people in a big multi-national corporation, like AEG, over the rights of the individual. :trytobeangel

Well this is not KJ versus AEG, it also includes 3 individuals Randy Phillips, Paul Gongaware and Tim Leiweke. So you aren't picking the individual over the big organization. You are picking one individual over the another individual.

Secondly "big organization bad, individuals good" are too simplified approach. I would expect most people to look the circumstances and determine right or wrong on the bases of the merit of the argument.

For example there has been a very well known example of a woman suing McDonalds over hot coffee. (the woman had bought hot coffee and burned themselves and then sued McDonalds). Does it mean that we should side with the woman just because she's an individual and McDonalds is a big bad organization? No. People shouldn't be awarded any money just because they file frivolous lawsuits and they are so stupid that they cannot drink hot coffee without spilling on themselves.
 
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Thanks ivy!

Mr. Ratner is a very "colorful" person, that's for sure.

This conversation just made me think of Nurse Lee. When she said she visited Michael and tried to explain the pitfalls of using Diprovan.

Although we haven't heard her name yet. I wonder what part she will play in this ongoing drama and if she was asked to sit for a deposition.
 
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Any court case should only be about truth, just saying.
 
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What individual rights? The right to drag mj through the mud in this showtrial and have all his 'longstanding personal demons' as aeg called mj's insomnia, exposed and poured over in every media outlet there is? All for the desperate hope there might be a pot of gold for the jacksons at the end of it all?

You think? I'm sure aeg will do everything they can to defend this case and if that means painting mj as a basketcase, out of control addict who was bent on self-destruction i don't think they would hesitate. Unfortunately I'm not expecting either side to be protective of mj.

I'm sure AEG will fight tooth-and-nail in order to win. I have no doubts about that.

But thus far, they have said that Michael was in-charge of his own life and not some little nutcase unable to tie his own shoes, like the Jacksons are making him out to be, in order to prove their case.

They also are not releasing confidential information to the media, in order to taint a potential jury, unlike the Jacksons. Thus far AEG has been playing by the rules.

Although, to be honest, I certainly wouldn't mind if AEG broke a few of those rules, and released the Jackson family depositions. LOL! Now that's something I would definitely love to read.
 
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What we have seen so far was Katherine saying Gongaware had been on tour with Michael before and therefore should have known that he used Propofol.

by that logic hundreds of people that has been on tour with Michael - including Katherine - should have been aware.


Katherine's side has a burden of proof (I sound like real law student now:)). I doubt she can prove for sure Gonga knew, unless she has a witness to tell otherwise.
 
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For example there has been a very well known example of a woman suing McDonalds over hot coffee. (the woman had bought hot coffee and burned themselves and then sued McDonalds). Does it mean that we should side with the woman just because she's an individual and McDonalds is a big bad organization? No. People shouldn't be awarded any money just because they file frivolous lawsuits and they are so stupid that they cannot drink hot coffee without spilling on themselves.

Actually Ivy this is really very good example. Did you ever research this case?
Just from Wiki: "Liebeck was wearing cotton sweatpants; they absorbed the coffee and held it against her skin, scalding her thighs, buttocks, and groin.[12] Liebeck was taken to the hospital, where it was determined that she had suffered third-degree burns on six percent of her skin and lesser burns over sixteen percent.[13] She remained in the hospital for eight days while she underwent skin grafting."

Excuse we when I side with the woman on this one.
 
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What individual rights? The right to drag mj through the mud in this showtrial and have all his 'longstanding personal demons' as aeg called mj's insomnia, exposed and poured over in every media outlet there is? All for the desperate hope there might be a pot of gold for the jacksons at the end of it all?


You think? I'm sure aeg will do everything they can to defend this case and if that means painting mj as a basketcase, out of control addict who was bent on self-destruction i don't think they would hesitate. Unfortunately I'm not expecting either side to be protective of mj.

I'm a bit uncertain whether AEG could take that route for their defence? Why would they want to paint themselves as arseholes, trying to make basket case, out of control drug addict to do some concerts, so they'll get their money/or they don't lose money?
That wouldn't make them look too good for public.

What they said in those emails was what they thought privately, but I doubt that would be what they are attempting to do in trial.
 
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