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It's really irrelevant to do research to figure out the exact time of death based on the body temprature. Even in perfectly normal condictions ( no heater) no coroner would risk his reputation and give an exact minute of death. They always leave an HOUR as margin of error. The prosecutors said Murray realised what happened to MJ while he was talking to his babymama from Houston. Infact they confirmed what we have been speculating about for months, he was injecting MJ with one hand while holding his phone with the other. And there was no IV drip as he claimed .They gave us a timeline of 20 to 9 minutes before the 911 call. If you take everything into consideration MJ died there infront of Murray while he was injecting him within one minute of the injection. So MJ died within 20 to 9 minutes before 911 called.
 
PCR said:
This!
When talking about MJ, I remember one of the first opinions of Kenny was that MJ was not feeling good. Then it changed to he was just great. All the time during TII movie promotion and after that. And now it happens to be Michael was feeling bad. Well, fans around him saw he was doing bad. And they were called crazy, blind fans, destroying Michael's legacy.

So what can we say now? :mello:

Had it all been that good, Michael wouldn't have had to use this to get some sleep. However, I still say he was playing with fire and it was not a wise / good decition at all. That's clear :(
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Exactly. Fellow fans were called crazy who were trying to destroy MJ legacy, because TII was very important "thing" at the moment.
I also remember Randy Phillips and what Randy said. He said, that if Michael will not be able to get on stage, he will carry him there by himself because he was LIGHT ENOUGH.
And, yes, Murray was playing with fire because injecting a person with anesthetic and then bringing him back to life it is NOT what cardiologist has to do on a regular basis. Everybody knew what was going on and how risky it was.
But everybody took this risk because MJ was a money making machine, not a human being.
 
Ramona122003 said:
But, if he had several minutes in which no one knew Michael was in trouble, why didn't he take it among himself to clear everything up before anyone got there. It doesn't take that long to put on a pair of gloves and picked all the vials up and put them in a safe place. Why call the bodyguard to witness everything if you waited 9 to 22 minutes to call for help.
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Maybe he didn't think clearly at this point and that's why he didn't do things "in the right order". Or maybe he was just very sure for some reason that it doesn't matter if there are witnesses because he thought he'd get away with it?

All those threads are really hard to read, I avoided all of that for a long time, just read some stuff that was on the news back in 2009. All I know is that I have a really good feeling about this and Murray will go to jail. Maybe not long enough, but he won't get away with it. It should be enough that no doctor in their right mind would ever use an anesthetic for insomnia AND not even stay in the same room with the patient. That's all I needed to know in June 2009 to know that this doctor will get into a lot of trouble.

Sorry for the off topic.
 
:cry: my heart is broken by the pictures my brain shows me in reading the testimonies, the kids ... omg ! how can someone can be so heartless to let them in their father's room !!:cry:

I know that the hearing must decide if yes or no it goes on trial but, if I understand, the charges can't be more important than manslaughter at the end of the hearing ? can he be still convict for murder by neglect if it goes on trial ? Sorry I'm really not familiar with US laws.

Many thanks to all of you who provided us updates :clapping: ... maybe two weeks of hearing !! I didn't know that could be so long !:timer:

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to allforlove, i want to know that too! i ask one of my friends and she told me that yes a charge can be changed here for something higher. it is only the first day and it is already too much!!

my heart is breaking!! how can the doctor ask if anyone knows cpr? how can the doctor not know Michael gone when his eyes and mouth wide open? how can the doctor know these things! i know these things!
 
oh sorry i dont understand why its IM and i believe in the usa youve got murder 1 and murder 2 right?

if murray has go to trail can they charge some kind of murder? or is it only IM?


i just want him to be away along time
 
MsJustinBeiber said:
i forgot to say she told us that becuse murray and his lawyers was not confident and ask useless quetions and even rephrase same questions that it would be a easy thing for second degree murder and she question the D.A. on his decision for manslaughter
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The minute I read Chernoff was asking about Nation of Islam, I knew the defence would bring up at the trial the wild conspiracy theories involving Tohme , Grace and the bodyguards belonging to NOI and then they will go after AEG . Randy Jackson will for sure deliver all the "goods" Chernoff needs.

Based on Chernoff's questioning today, it's very fair to say the defense witnesses will be Karen, Oxman, Rowe, Janet, Katherine, Randy and Joe.

And it's fair to say, the prosecution do have a slam dunk case against Murray.
 
Ingelief said:
oh sorry i dont understand why its IM and i believe in the usa youve got murder 1 and murder 2 right?

if murray has go to trail can they charge some kind of murder? or is it only IM?


i just want him to be away along time
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yes:yes: it can be changed that is what i am told and what i read also! i even read a story in another section somwhere here that a charge being changed from involuntary manslaugher to second degree murder!!:bugeyed it is in the thread about the prosecutors but that is something different still, i dont know.
 
If I was in the court room it'd be possible I would shot that so called Dr dead! If he will sit like 4 years in the jail and then be free what's the point really.
 
Asedora said:
Exactly. Fellow fans were called crazy who were trying to destroy MJ legacy, because TII was very important "thing" at the moment.
I also remember Randy Phillips and what Randy said. He said, that if Michael will not be able to get on stage, he will carry him there by himself because he was LIGHT ENOUGH.
And, yes, Murray was playing with fire because injecting a person with anesthetic and then bringing him back to life it is NOT what cardiologist has to do on a regular basis. Everybody knew what was going on and how risky it was.
But everybody took this risk because MJ was a money making machine, not a human being.
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Several times throughout this thread, we have all been asked to stay on topic, not to bring conspiracy theories into the thread.

Senior staff and moderators have respectfully requested that we deal with what happened in court today.

Why do you persist in disregarding these requests?

If you wish to speak about AEG's alleged involvement/culpability in Michael's death, please take it to the Conspiracy forum. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT.
 
I just read the updates thread. My heart aches for these kids. My god if this doesn't SCREAM Murder 2 i dont know what does. And to know Murray didnt care enough to stay at the hospital that put me over the edge. He cared more about his stomach then the man he just killed. I dont care what anyone says the thought of Michael being ignored even if it was the slightest of things makes me mad. To think he suffered that badly under a doctors care. its just mind boggling.

I have my opinion of Murray and you all know it. I want this man dragged across cactus needles and i want him dipped in a vat of boiling oil feet first, i want him to have as much pain as possible. Michael was dead long before he found him. The fact that Michael was in distress and he wasnt there watching like he was supposed to makes me want to spit fire. The facts that he didn't know how to do CPR Is hard to grasp seeings how he was a HEART DOCTOR. i am babbling on and on because i an at a loss as to how to understand how this man can still have a license to practice Medicine.
 
Asedora said:
Exactly! There is always two possibilities and the judge will look at both. This is how the system works.
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It is true there are two possibilities, but given all the other testimony and evidince the possibility of him going back to get the cream is highly unlikely and shouldn't be given much consideration.
 
Topflux said:
If I was in the court room it'd be possible I would shot that so called Dr dead! If he will sit like 4 years in the jail and then be free what's the point really.
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Topflux, please be more discrete in what you say on this board. Thank you.
 
Ingelief said:
oh sorry i dont understand why its IM and i believe in the usa youve got murder 1 and murder 2 right?

if murray has go to trail can they charge some kind of murder? or is it only IM?


i just want him to be away along time
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yes we have murder 1 murder 2 n we also have voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. muarry is charged with the least of these which is involuntary manslaughter. key word is INVOLUNTARY(as in you are the reason someone died but you didnt mean to end their life(involuntary)
 
GinnyJackson said:
I just read the updates thread. My heart aches for these kids. My god if this doesn't SCREAM Murder 2 i dont know what does.
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i agree. after hearing what the things said today and only more to come!:bugeyed today was already too much!!!!
 
Topflux said:
If I was in the court room it'd be possible I would shot that so called Dr dead! If he will sit like 4 years in the jail and then be free what's the point really.
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thats why i hear he sat way in back, for reasons of safety:yes: although i do not know if that is true or if someone just think that
 
Asedora said:
I just have to tell you, that any professional physician will agree that insomnia, depression and similar conditions DO NOT appear and disappear overnight.
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What facts do you have that Michael was depressed? Additionally, Ortega didn't say Michael was depressed, but that he was out of it and not feeling well. That could be for a million differen reasons.
 
TheSun newspaper still pisses me off. They have an article about the court case and they STILL call MJ 'J****' even when dead. Show some respect, assholes.
 
ivy said:
My local news in the east coast is reporting the prelim hearing. For local news it will be a short national story. They expressed that Murray in minimum waited for 9 minutes before calling 911. It seems that's what the media channels perceived as the most important information of the day.
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Sad.
It was on my local news as well,but they did report "19 minute delay before murray called for help." They also spoke briefly about self injection and the reporter stated both views.
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Edit: Jeeze louise what's wrong with the board.. double post then nada. lol
 
I have read through this thread and all the reports posted about today's hearing. It's all very sad especially reading about what the children had to witness. Thanks for all the updates and information.
 
Ivy has done a wonderful job in that facts update thread...Thank you Ivy...:)

when you read that thread..it is all so overwhelming...Murray just didn't care about Michael's life. That is sad..such a wonderful human being Michael was..his life was just thrown away by Murray like it ment nothing...:cry:
 
When I read about Murray more or less telling Ortega to F Off for sending MJ home I was raging. Murray didn't seem to have any care in the world for MJ's health.
 
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