Polish MJ Fans

Thank you, Carlos... :flowers:

"z jasnej trąby was żegnam..." a little bit of :lol: my kids, during those hard days.
Btw. I didn't know Piłsudzki had a sense of humour like that! ;)
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I went to the mass :mello: polish sounds like clucking chickens :fear:

lol my Australian hubby says it sounds like rustling leaves:lol:

i know. that is why i admire so much your nation and all the valuable "gems" it produced in this world. i don't know too much about those people that died now. but i can see they were loved by the people the lead. and also i've seen their faces... faces that to me seem that didn't hold so much anger and hatered and hunger for money as the leaders i see in my own country. and if i am right and those were good people then the loss is even bigger :(. my regret is that it had to happen this for me to be able to say that to you.
wish my people were the same but they're not. not even on this board ...i've tried so many times to gather them but i didn't got at least 1 answer from them...

we're not perfect either, believe me. we just come together in times of hardship. the people that died in this horrible crash weren't always loved, admired, they weren't always great. i personally didn't even like our president. but now that they're gone, the bad stuff gets forgotten - as it should. the history will judge them, we're in no position to.
now that they're gone, they stopped being politicians, and became human beings. they left families behind, families that are now torn with grief, crying, mourning, and the nation identifies with it, with their pain. we want to honour the good in those people, and forget the bad.
seeing the president's twin brother at the crash site, and his daughter putting her head to his coffin broke my heart - and like i said, i didn't even like him. but she lost her father - the toughest of hearts would've been moved by this.

i have to say, i never met any Romanians except for some Gypsies from there, and they nearly robbed me, so that wasn't a pleasant encounter, but this doesn't mean the whole nation is bad. look at you - you're Romanian and you're a warm, kind-hearted, sympathetic person with strong values. i'm sure there are many, many people like you in Romania - unfortunately just not the leaders. but don't lose hope. our whole region, the whole of Eastern Europe had a very troubled history. some countries just do a bit better than others, but we're all coming from the same place.

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lol my Australian hubby says it sounds like rustling leaves:lol:

:lol: yes exactly! :lol:

Given it was the first time I've heard it spoken at great lengths it was cool. Sounded watered down and a little off compaired to @ Lims speaking it which is
understandable :lol:
 
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Ciało Marii Kaczyńskiej jutro wróci do kraju

We wtorek w godzinach przedpołudniowych przewidywany jest przylot do Polski samolotu specjalnego z ciałem małżonki prezydenta Marii Kaczyńskiej - poinformowała w poniedziałek Kancelaria Prezydenta.



- Trumny z ciałami pary prezydenckiej zostaną wystawione na widok publiczny na parterze Pałacu Prezydenckiego - poinformowano w komunikacie umieszczonym w poniedziałek na stronach Kancelarii Prezydenta.

Ciało Marii Kaczyńskiej zostało zidentyfikowane w poniedziałek. Trumna z ciałem prezydenta Lecha Kaczyńskiego, która w niedzielę została przywieziona do kraju, znajduje się w kaplicy Pałacu Prezydenckiego.
 
Dobrze, że chociaż udało się zidentyfikować ciało Pierwszej Damy, bo chyba w koncu nawet wszystkich nie znaleźli. Tak przynajmniej teraz mówią.


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A prezydent Bułgarii nie chce już latać Tupolewem.
 
... I'm reposting Economist article here... I think it's full of knowledge and a quite accurate portrayal of the President...
that helps to understand a full picture. Anyone that is interested, please read on..

In Memoriam: Lech Kaczynski

The death of Poland's president carries a terrible echo of his country's past

Apr 11th 2010 | From The Economist online
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HE WAS a figure from another age. Weekend guests at Lech Kaczynski’s presidential retreat on Poland’s Baltic coast often found the conversation turning to the opposition politics of 1970s Gdansk. That is indeed a fascinating subject, though not necessarily the most burning one for the head of state of eastern Europe’s most important country nearly 40 years later. Mr Kaczynski, who died along with 95 others, including many of Poland’s military and political elite, in a plane crash in Russia on April 10th, epitomised some of the best and the worst features of Polish politics.
He was a man of unquestioned, almost painful, integrity. In 2005 he moved to the presidential palace not from one of the palatial homes favoured by most mainstream Polish politicians, but from the shabby flat in Warsaw in which he and his wife, Maria, had lived for decades. His values, attitudes, habits and behaviour were those of the pre-war Polish middle class: a culture so strong that it survived decapitation and evisceration under Soviet and Nazi occupation, and the regime installed at gunpoint after the war. Obstinate, old-fashioned, provincial, gutsy, rather shy, awkward, suspicious, pernickety and scrupulous, the 60-year-old law professor was utterly uninterested in the tactful doublespeak usually required of politicians in modern Europe.

He was an unabashed and instinctive Atlanticist. When government ministers tried to haggle with America about a planned missile-defence base, he undercut them. Poland would be happy to have the installation on any terms. He took a similar attitude to Lithuania, brushing aside that country’s refusal to allow its ethnic Polish minority to write their names in official documents with letters such as w, ł and ń that are not part of the standard Lithuanian alphabet. Other Polish politicians saw Lithuanian foot-dragging on the issue as deceitful and infuriating; for Mr Kaczynski it was merely a pity. His affection for the Baltic states, Ukraine and other ex-captive nations was palpable: had they not suffered, just like Poland? They should stand together.

When Russia invaded Georgia in August 2008, it was Mr Kaczynski who rushed to the rescue, leading a hair-raising trip to Tbilisi with leaders of other sympathetic ex-communist states. He tried to overrule protests by the presidential plane’s pilot, that the trip into a war zone was unsafe. Mr Kaczynski was furious at what he saw as cowardice; the pilot later got a medal for resolutely putting his passengers’ safety ahead of prestige. Mr Kaczynski may have repeated just that error in the minutes before the disastrous attempt to land the presidential plane at a fog-bound airport on April 10th. That seems by far the most likely explanation for the tragedy. The Polish presidential plane was an ageing Tupolev 154: old, noisy and thirsty, admittedly, but also robust and reliable. It had been recently renovated with modern avionics. Russian air traffic controllers seem blameless too. They insisted that the fog at Smolensk airport was too thick and had repeatedly told the plane to land elsewhere. The pilot refused, making three abortive attempts to land before hitting tree-tops on the fourth try.

Mr Kaczynski’s single greatest political mistake was in failing to see that modern Germany, led by Angela Merkel, was a potentially powerful friend for Poland, rather than an adversary that harboured sinister revanchist tendencies. Along with his brother, Jaroslaw, who leads the main opposition Law and Justice party, Mr Kaczynski became a laughing stock in Germany for his dogged hostility and on occasion outright rudeness towards the federal republic. His distrust of Poland’s western neighbour was matched by a visceral hostility towards the Soviet Union and its defenders. To Mr Kaczyński, his brother, and many of their supporters, Russia was still a menace, run by the former KGB and with a shameful disregard for the atrocious crimes committed in the past. The complexities of modern Russia were often brushed aside. His robust attitude to Poland’s enemies, past and present, pleased his supporters. But it was compounded by a pronounced tendency to make gaffes, and a staff who frequently seemed overwhelmed by the demands of even daily protocol, let alone strategic thinking. That invited criticism, and sometimes caustic caricature.

After Law and Justice lost power in 2007, a new government, in the hands of his arch-rival Donald Tusk, was pursuing an ambitiously emollient foreign policy. Where Mr Kaczynski stoked rows and fumed about historic wrongs, Mr Tusk, and his high-profile foreign minister, Radek Sikorski, smoothed them over. Poland defused tension with Germany, revived the Visegrad grouping of central European ex-communist states and managed a remarkable breakthrough with Russia. This centred on the Katyn massacre, of 22,000 Polish officers in the spring of 1940. It was more than the illegal execution of prisoners-of-war. It was the decapitation of the country’s pre-war elite. The officers, including many reservists, were the lawyers, doctors, teachers and intellectuals who would have posed the most profound challenge to the cynical division of Poland under the Hitler-Stalin pact of 1939. They included, incidentally, the chief rabbi of the Polish army, Baruch Steinberg. The crime of their murder was compounded by a grotesque Soviet lie: that the murders were the work of the Nazis, not the NKVD. It was only in 1990 under Mikhail Gorbachev that the Soviet Union finally admitted what Poles and their friends had maintained all along. Boris Yeltsin visited the Katyn monument in Warsaw, as Russian president, and said as he laid flowers “forgive us, if you can”.
But that was a high-water mark. Under Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, the clock started running backwards. In September 2007, a Russian government newspaper, Rossiskaya Gazeta, published a commentary casting doubt on the idea that Katyn was a Soviet massacre. Sued by relatives of the Katyn victims in the European Court of Human Rights, the Russian government argued that blame for the massacre was unclear. The judicial rehabilitation of the victims has been blocked; the archives are still sealed.

It was therefore a huge breakthrough that, after painstaking and intricate diplomacy, the Polish government was able to bring Mr Putin to Katyń for a joint commemoration ceremony on April 7th. That was preceded by an unprecedented showing on Russian television of a magnificent and harrowing film about Katyń by Andrzej Wajda, Poland’s greatest film-maker. The film was repeated, on a more widely watched channel, on the evening of April 11th. At the joint ceremony, Mr Putin categorically acknowledged that the massacre was a crime of the Stalin regime—although he also brought up the deaths of captured Soviet officers in Polish prisoner-of-war camps 20 years earlier, apparently as a balancing item in the ledger of historical guilt. Many Poles felt that the Russian side had not gone nearly far enough. It was that feeling which brought Mr Kaczynski, along with almost the entire foreign-policy leadership of his party, the commanders of the army, navy, air force and special forces, senior intelligence veterans and top historians, to board the plane that crashed on April 10th. They were paying their own private visit unencumbered by—in their eyes—the phoney reconciliation and dubious politicking of the event earlier in the week. The Russian authorities’ exemplary behaviour since the crash and visible displays of public grief by Mr Putin and others may have assuaged some of those feelings.

Poland is convulsed by the tragedy. Not since the height of Stalinist repressions have so many of the country’s best and brightest perished. Some find the conspiracy theories irresistible. Was not General Wladyslaw Sikorski murdered in 1943 for embarrassing the Soviet Union about Katyn? Now the same fate has befallen another brave Polish president. The sinister symmetry of that theory is misleading, though. Despite extensive investigation, nobody has found a credible sign of foul play in the death of General Sikorski. And it seems overwhelmingly likely that the latest plane crash is a tragic blunder-cum-accident.

For Poland’s friends and neighbours, condolences are mixed with questions about the country’s future. Mr Kaczynski was already facing an all but insuperable challenge from Mr Tusk’s Civic Platform party in the presidential elections in October. They will be held much sooner now. Bronislaw Komorowski, now acting president by virtue of his position as speaker of the lower house of parliament, the Sejm, is also the Civic Platform candidate. Law and Justice will struggle to find a candidate to beat him. Mr Tusk’s efforts to consolidate the centre-right of the Polish political spectrum are starting to look unstoppable. A victory for Mr Komorowski would also make foreign policy run more smoothly. The Polish constitution is unclear about where the real responsibility for foreign policy lies. Who should attend EU summit meetings was a particular bone of contention between the presidency and the government. Mr Tusk’s aim is to have a German-style ceremonial presidency, with much reduced powers of veto. He seems likely to get it.

Yet the socially conservative, prickly, ethics-conscious and patriotic constituency that voted for Mr Kaczynski will not go away. And neither will the political ideas and values for which Law and Justice stands. Poland’s liberal-minded urban elite, exemplified by Civic Platform, have many qualities. They are able, cosmopolitan and flexible. But the lingering suspicion remains that the country’s old communist elite and their children have morphed into a new nomenklatura. Poles call this idea the “Układ”, an all but untranslatable word meaning something like “deal” or “arrangement”. The price of the communist regime’s surrender in 1989 was that members of the elite were able to turn their power into wealth, using their connections, slush funds and privileges to gain a head start in the country’s shift to capitalism. Mr Kaczynski found that idea revolting, and wanted a fresh start: a “Fourth Republic”, in his words. During the ill-starred Law and Justice-led government of 2005 to 2007, the atmosphere was more Robespierre than Benjamin Franklin. Prosecutors conducted trial by press conference, denouncing victims on live television on what often seemed the flimsiest and most political of grounds.
An obsessive focus on the military intelligence service (known by its Polish acronym of WSI) also consumed huge amounts of time and energy. Undoubtedly the organisation needed reform. It had survived largely untouched since the collapse of communism. Its links with business and public life were alarming. But the cure proposed by Law and Justice seemed even worse than the disease. A close ally of the Kaczynskis, Antoni Macierewicz, was put in charge of a new military counter-intelligence service, as a political appointee. His investigations into past wrong-doings produced little of substance. But many feared that under his control, the new service would be used to spy on the Kaczynskis’ political opponents. With Civic Platform in charge again, aggressive policies towards the well-connected old guard are off the agenda. People like Jan Kulczyk are finding life easier. A billionaire tycoon whose business career started in West Berlin in the early 1980s—an unimaginable privilege in communist Poland for those without the tightest connections to the old regime—he epitomises to the Kaczynski camp everything that is wrong with their country. While they were in power, he moved to London. Now he is a frequent visitor to Poland. Poland’s economic success under the Tusk government has blunted the edge of public resentment over corruption and unfairness. Unlike any other country in Europe, Poland boasted economic growth last year, of 1.7%. Its banking system is stable; the public finances sound. Road-building—once a signal failure of public administration—has suddenly accelerated thanks to Mr Tusk’s ability to push local politicians into speedy agreement.


The new go-ahead Poland is looking forward to some time in the spotlight. It will host the European football championships in 2012, jointly with Ukraine. In 2011, less glamorously but probably more importantly, it will hold the rotating six-month presidency of the EU, preceded by Hungary. As the ex-communist country with the strongest economy, most solid government and most constructive diplomacy, it has gone a long way to dispel the old stereotypes of backwardness and chaos. This month’s accident is appalling. But it does not derail Poland’s path to success, out of the ruins of the pre-war republic, from the devastation of war and communist rule, and from the grim consequences of this week’s crash.
http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15891381&source=most_read

.. daughter of the presidential couple in the foreground...
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I wiecej o tym myślę, tym bardziej wydaje mi się to nieprawdopodobne. Jakbym oglądała jakis film, albo byla w wirtualnym świecie coś jak Matrix.
Bo takie rzeczy nie są normalne , to się nie powinno stać!! Począwszy od tego kto był na pokładzie.. tak się nie robi na świecie,ale my musieliśmy być pierwsi.
Nie wiem skąd ten wypadek? Pośpiech, wina pilota czy pogody?.
I czemu dopiero po takim czymś ludzie dopiero przeciwdziałają... Czemu dopiero teraz chca wymieniac samoloty, czemu tamte remontowali a i tak to nic nie dało? Wpakowali tyle kasy zamiast zakupic nowe? Boże na jakim ja świecie żyję na serio. Wszystko mnie coraz bardziej przeraża i boje się co to będzie dalej, zarówno w państwie jak i z moim prywatnym życiem.

Właśnie się dowiedziałam ze pani Zych jest z Kalisza , a ojciec posła Szmajdzińskiego z miejscowości niedaleko mnie a konkretnie 8-9 km ode mnie..


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a tak zmieniajac temat bo juz mam go dosc i sie sama zaczynam dołować..
Ma moze ktos SC z Bad tour w znośnej jakości?
bo szukalam tutaj na forum i nie moge znaleźć. A na yt to same foty znalazłam z tego.
 
Podobno mają organizować zbiorowy pogrzeb wszystkich ofiar. Nie wyobrażam sobie tego i nie wiem czy wszystkie rodziny się na to zdecydują. To byłby koszmarny widok. Tyle trumien na raz.

a tak zmieniajac temat bo juz mam go dosc i sie sama zaczynam dołować..
Ma moze ktos SC z Bad tour w znośnej jakości?
bo szukalam tutaj na forum i nie moge znaleźć. A na yt to same foty znalazłam z tego.

też bym chętnie zobaczyła, bo na YT można trafić najwyzej kiepskiej jakości, ale nie wiem czy w ogóle SC istnieje w całości. Chyba nie.

 
Dzieki kochana , kurcze chyba wlasnie nie ma.. a tu jak patrzylam to linki wygasły jak znalazłam cokolwiek.


Wracajac do smutnego tematu to , zbiorowy pogrzeb hmm dziwne bo rodziny napewno chca miec ich na swoich cmentrarzach nie tłuc sie po Polsce do Wawy pozniej..


Trumna Pierwszej damy powróciła do kraju :
http://fakty.interia.pl/raport/lech...cialem-m-kaczynskiej-wrocila-do-kraju,1463844

I z tego co piszą pogrzeb pary prezydenckiej w niedzielę. Rodzina chce by byli pochowani na Powązkach. Uroczystości żałobne rozpoczyna się w sobotę...

Marta Kaczyńska -córka Prezydenta i Prezydentowej.
http://img.interia.pl/wiadomosci/nimg/r/h/Osierocona_corka_pary_4057174.jpg
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Tak mi strasznie jej szkoda, zwróćcie uwagę na jednego z żołnierzy jak na nią spogląda i widać ze jest mu strasznie jej zal i przykro.
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z ojcem
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z ojcem i corka Ewą
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z mamą
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Lech Kaczynski z wnuczką
http://img.interia.pl/wiadomosci/nimg/k/t/Osierocona_corka_pary_4057249.jpg

Para Prezydencka z wnuczką
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Małgorzata Kożuchowska składa kwiaty pod pałacem Prezydenckim
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Smoleńsk proponuje pomnik ku czci ofiar katastrofy

Deputowani obwodowej Dumy ze Smoleńska zaproponowali we wtorek postawienie pomnika na miejscu sobotniej katastrofy samolotu, w której zginął prezydent RP Lech Kaczyński, jego małżonka i inni członkowie delegacji na obchody rocznicowe w Katyniu.
http://img.interia.pl/wiadomosci/nimg/u/q/Miejsce_katastrofy_pod_4061511.jpg


Pierwsze takie propozycje padły po ustawieniu kamienia pamiątkowego w pobliżu wojskowego lotniska Siewiernyj, gdzie doszło do katastrofy, w której zginęło 96 osób.

- Deputowani uważają, że decyzja o pomniku powinna zapaść wspólnie z polską stroną - powiedziano agencji ITAR-TASS w obwodowej administracji.

Mieszkańcy Smoleńska przynoszą pod pamiątkowy kamień kwiaty, zapalają znicze.
 
I feel so sorry for her... She's only one year older than I am.
Losing both parents must be almost too much to handle...

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For those that don't speak Polish, the links Justine posted 2 post up, it's all pictures of the family of presidential couple.
 
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Teraz pisą, że para prezydencka zostanie pochowana na Wawelu. Uroczystości mają się odbyć w niedziele... :mellow:
 
Limon dzieki za tłumaczenie, ale prawie cała rodzinka bo jest jeszcze 2 wnuczka.
Marta z corkami (Marta Kaczyńska with her daughters)
http://www.se.pl/media/pics/2008/07/25/superniania_300x250.jpg

Powiem wam ze te zdjecia sa mega wzruszajace..
z wnuczką.. bozz słodkie to zdjecie jest.
http://www.pitbul.pl/i/article/2869/main.jpg


Young President with brother Jarek: (in movie)
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Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his twin brother Jaroslaw, a former Polish Prime Minister, as a child appeared in the film.
 
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Oglądałam przejazd samochodów z Marią Kaczyńską do Pałacu Prezydenckiego, samochód utonął w kwiatach. Nie spodziewałam się, że na trasie będzie tylu ludzi, w końcu to wtorek, ludzie pracują, chodzą do szkoły.


Jak bedzie z pogrzebem zobaczymy jak zostanie oficjalnie ogloszony. Teraz dziennikarze tylko spekuluja, nie wierze zeby rodzina dzielila sie z nimi przypuszczeniami na temat miejsca pochowku. O Wawelu mówila rodzina prezydenta Kaczorowskiego, moze dziennikarze pomylili ich z rodzina pary prezydenckiej.

Komorowski ma jutro podac termin wyborow prezydenckich. Nie wyobrazam sobie tej kampanii i zadania przed jakim stoja PIS i SLD, w kilka dni znalezc kandydata.

edit:Mialas racje Callaendia. Pogrzeb jednak na Wawelu, w niedziele.

kolumna z Maria Kaczynska
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Słuchałam w radiu, ze córka uklekneła i ucałowała trumny rodziców.
I ze ludzie nie moga wejsc dalej to straz, policja i harcerze odbieraja od ludzi kwiaty i znicze..


Powrót Pierwszej Damy Photos
http://img.interia.pl/wiadomosci/nimg/u/0/Powrot_Pierwszej_Damy_4061915.jpg
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Marta przy trumnie mamy
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Jarosław Kaczynski przy trumnie Marii Kaczynskiej
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wzruszajace zdjecie Martusi
Córka Lecha i Marii Kaczyńskich, Marta z mężem Marcinem Dubienieckim i brat Lecha Kaczyńskiego, Jarosław Kaczyński

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Kondukt
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http://img.interia.pl/wiadomosci/nimg/s/i/Powrot_Pierwszej_Damy_4061896.jpg
http://img.interia.pl/wiadomosci/nimg/m/8/Powrot_Pierwszej_Damy_4062009.jpg

Pogrzeb pary prezydenckiej odbędzie się w niedzielę w Krakowie na Wawelu o godzinie 14:00.
 
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Barack Obama zapowiedział że pojawi sie w Polsce na ceremonii żałobnej, ale nie ma jeszcze potwierdzenia z Białego Domu.

Barack Obama will attend at funeral, but it isn`t official information from White House yet..


Edit:Yes, there is...
Administracja Białego domu przysłała notę.
 
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Oczywiście już zaczyna się nagonka na fakt, że pochówek bedzie na Wawelu. Zenujące. Jeszcze tylko brakuje, żeby robili burdy w czasie pogrzebu. :puke:
 
Oczywiście już zaczyna się nagonka na fakt, że pochówek bedzie na Wawelu. Zenujące. Jeszcze tylko brakuje, żeby robili burdy w czasie pogrzebu. :puke:

Niektórzy za długo nie mogą żyć bez kłótni... normalka... :/
 
No własnie. Dlatego nie wierze, ze wstrzas, który przeżyli ludzie związani z polityką na stałe zmieni cos w prowadzeniu polityki. Tak samo było kiedy umarł papież, wszyscy się jednali, mówili, że trzeba cos zmienić w naszym życiu, bo nie chodzi o to, żeby się między sobą żreć. I co? Za chwilę było tak samo.


Ale zbaczając trochę z tematu to strasznie jestem ciekawa kogo wystawi w wyborach PiS i SLD.
 
A mi to nie przeszkadza Czy to będzie jakaś profanacja? W końcu był prezydentem, zwierzchnikiem sił zbrojnych, wybranym w demokratycznych wyborach i zginął, jezeli mozna tak powiedzieć, "na służbie". Przed pochowaniem Piłsudskiego na Wawelu też były protesty, bo wcale nie był tak uwielbiany pod koniec życia.
Pomysł pochowania pary prezydenckiej na Wawelu może się nie podobać, ale mam nadzieję, że pogrzeb obejdzie się bez żadnej awantury.
 
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