Re: Paris Jackson Possible Suicide Attempt Rushed to Hospital SHE IS OK
Yes, she did. Prince went upstairs first at the carolwood residence, then Paris followed. The scene was described rather precisely at the preliminary hearing, it was pretty horrifying. I have worked in hopsitals and so i'm used to this, and I had to take a break from reading the recaps of the prelim. This scene will be in their heads forever.
Seeing him at the hospital would be different, and good in that context, after what they saw in the bedroom. They were probably asked first, so it's less shocking.
I used to assist for this kind of things, we would usually stay with the family members, at least at the beginning, until we were comfortable leaving them alone with the deceased person. And the body would be shown in the less traumatic way possible , for ex covering the person with a sheet, closing the eyes of the person, etc. The goal is to say goodbye peacefully.
Yes, hospice care came a long way! They were asked and wanted to see him - and that makes sense. We as society used to be present at both birth and death so in a sense people of course were still shocked and grieving, of course - but the dead body of a loved one was not the ultimate trauma it is often today.
Doesn't mean things were hunky dory if we were still to prepare our dead for funeral ourselves - but perhaps it could be easier sometimes. Add the advent of horror/zombie whatever movie and a dead body becomes something horrible to think about for most people. I do believe that a peaceful appearing body (mouth and eyes closed) can help lessen trauma.
And in that sense I am relieved for all three to have had an understanding psychologist. Even the little bits that we know seem to indicate that all were encouraged to contribute in the burial in their own way.
What negates all that is of course newspapers printing Michael's body ready for consumption. There is no peace in that - and that is something they could not escape either.
I have lost 3 grandparents without the ability to even go to their funeral - and that is when I knew that some people are indeed helped by being able to say goodbye, even seeing the image of Michael at the trial.
It was upsetting, of course, but after years it was a sense of calm for me. My dad even shot me a picture of my grandma as I could not make it. It was incredibly important to me and it was what kept me from obsessing the way I obsessed over those losses that offered no way of saying goodbye.
Things like that lead people to work in funeral homes, become involved in hospice care.
I also had functioned as photographer at an open casket ceremony for a family friend, being up close to his body. It wasn't particularly comfortable but it was far from the worst feeling ever. My friend had lost her brother and to have these last images was what propped her up for a bit - she also was present, snuggling up with her brother as he left this earth - huge, huge difference to a chaotic and traumatic scene. That's when I decided my son will continue to accompany us to funerals if he so chooses. People that have never seen a peaceful human body have all sorts of horror imaginations while reality in a dignified setting is far from horror.
The scene at the house that was described, catheter and all - I don't who or what Murray is but to say he's not human is an insult to animals.
So at least someone understanding at the hospital clued in how important this would prove for the children long term. I also recall the ER physicians mentioning wanting to give Michael peace to let him depart peacefully. Murray is the stuff of nightmares which is why my usually pacifist leaning disappeared upon hearing he had the nerve to prove his cruel being yet again by sending 'greetings' to Paris.
Aside from Murray traumatizing them with their father's sight seems to me the switch from familiar and trusted person in the house to the that killed their father. I would imagine that following the Murray trial would have led to further renewed trauma, to hear with your own ears how this person killed your father. The reckless disregard, the lying, the psycho games. The media games he played. The mockumentary for example.
Most of us were disgusted, it is hard to imagine what this must have done to a girl who has been described as that perceptive.
It was as if whatever healing had started to begin would be just brushed aside with this ongoing and ongoing revisiting of horror. So it would be of no surprise that she would envision the AEG trial to be even worse.
So according to LaToya (and I think from observing Joe and KJ it makes sense) important issues are 'breezed over" and not talked about. ...
Age and generation would definitely have something to do with that - but individual personality is as equal a factor. LaToya didn't seem to have huge issues to talk quite frank about other topics - down to having a camera recording her at a Doctor's office.
And different people also have different styles with different people. Just like you and I don't act the same with everyone. You'd talk a lot differently to an inlaws vs a husband, boyfriend or boss. And people also change throughout their lifetime.
If I recall correctly Michael was far from confrontational - how often did a manager have to deliver news to someone else? And I'm sure that he had a different way of relating to his children. Just as each child would be different. My brother is a very quiet person when it comes to very significant matters - but he'll spill stuff to me and my parents are completely different people compared to 25 years ago. People also often change a great deal when they themselves become parents.
And most of the time TV interviews are about the least reliable source of the way someone really is, especially actors and artists whose persona is quite different on camera. But I think once you've worked with a few artists off camera and away from the radio you kind of don't trust camera interviews too much as it is so incredibly easy to cut things together and convince people that this was all in real time. I remember fans getting quite upset with Katherine's honest non-script reactions about surgeries etc. And how upset fans were about a number of things she said in regards to Michael.
It's also quite difficult for parents to please their adult children. If they say nothing, they brush over stuff. If they say their thing adult children often get justifiably upset.
Parents and their adult children also don't seem to have a nonchanging relationship either. A single adult child will be different than the one that had children and another 20 years under their belt.
And just as an adult parent tries to redefine the relationship - so does the adult child. Most of us for example don't really appreciate our parents constantly chiming in - and I do recall Katherine saying that while she disagrees with some decisions, she would just enjoy being a grandmother - obviously that would be different again when her son is gone and she a guardian.
I do think that Katherine is too old for the job, but the onslaught of basic disagreement describing her as horrible sounds like only very few doubt Michael's judgement. Only a very few select people have said outright on this board that his guardianship decisions were odd to them.
So I am always struck between that dissonance.
And parents change too. Michael left his children before any one of them had hit adolescence. Communication with an adolescent also hugely depends on the adolescent. And if you ever worked with very many different adolescents you're probably very familiar with the phenomenon of the monosyllabic teenager. "How's school?" "Okay." "What did you do today?" "I went to school, remember?"
I'm not saying that is everyone communicates this way but communication is a two way street, not a one way dead end.
I had to think about Lisa Marie Presley a lot these last few days, since she lost her father when she was only a child, too, and still tried to cope with it in her teens and really tries to somehow deal with it to this day. But look how fiercely she was protected by her mother from the public. I think she gave her first interview when she was in her early twenties and even then she wasn't asked about the death of her father! I really don't understand what the Jackson family or at least those responsible for Michael's babies are thinking or if they are thinking at all and I also wonder what made Debbie Rowe change her mind about wanting to live a private life unbothered by paparazzi, especially when one of her biological children has finally stepped into her life. Why the need to put pictures out into the public domain especially at such a crucial time of bonding with a child you never raised and were ok with not having in your life??? Why isn't she more sensitive to that? It seems to me by their actions that they are all degenerated.
I honestly think that Presley is still dealing with Michael and her father merging into this double persona. Everything about her father and Michael is ivory tower this, ivory tower that. Comparing oranges and apples. And from the little that I know about her she seems to have been quite the rebellious teen herself, early marriage, children very early on. And all that is speculation, too - somebody on TV giving her 2 cents is not a representation
..And yeah Debbie Rowe needs to be ashamed of herself too.
And who knows what Debbie Rowe is thinking unless you had a chance to talk to her at length. From the few things she has posted I felt an incredible amount of pride coming through the screen. And is it by any chance possible there is even regret there, just perhaps, maybe? I actually give her huge credit that she didn't go to Michael's funeral to avoid media scenes. No polaroids by the coffin. As a mother myself I cannot possibly comprehend some of her decisions, I cannot, honestly. But that goes for every other man as well who has never seen had a relationship with his children.
The important thing is that Paris reached out and found her mother reaching back. She is the still living parent, try to make amends while you can. She came to the hospital, ignoring her dislike for cameras - and probably because they both wanted to see each other. And that I can comprehend and understand. Absolutely. And I'm sure they will some pretty heated arguments and stuff to figure out with each other. And that's their beef, nobody else's. Would people prefer that Rowe ignores the pleas now and refuses to see her? Would that make fans happier? Don't think so. Losing one parent is hard. Not trying to sort things out with the other parent will be even harder - I've seen that with my own father. Sort things out while you can, once someone is gone the living one is stuck finding peace.
There's a lot one can harp on - but in the case of the father passing away tragically, unnaturally and way to early - one would hope that at least some effort would be made. Time to harp will be had later on, too. There are far more urgent issues on the table. And finding some form of peace on the back of a horse sounds about as much as 'just what the Doctor ordered' as you can possibly get. Especially for a girl her age.
Paris reached out and wasn't rebuffed -imagine her pain if they would have been such rejection in 2013. And one day Prince might follow suit. Fans keep saying that forcing the kids to do things they might not be up to is awful. I sure would agree.
And how often have we heard and experienced stories of single mothers who were quite conflicted about their children seeking out the absentee parent?
Michael is no longer here, only one parent is living. Doing the best you can in these situations is all you can ask from somebody.
