Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[gerryevans]

I'm not sure why you would use this lawsuit as an example of mj being a force, for me it proves the exact opposite - mj's position of weakness in 08. Aeg didn't pay off the lawsuit - they just advanced mj the $3m to pay it as mj didn't seem to have the cash to do it himself. The bahrain sheik sued mj in autumn 08, before any mj/aeg deal and took mj to court. The sheik seemed to have a pretty poor case and no written executed contract with mj and just before mj was due to give evidence, Tohme apparently negotiated a last minute settlement. The money due to the sheik in settlement, $3m, was actually part of the mj/aeg deal which was signed months later. So mj couldn't pay this lawsuit without signing up to the tii tour with aeg - it doesn't suggest to me that mj was entering into this deal with aeg from any position of strength at all.

Used it to show if he was going to have to pay it anyway, he knew how to structure a deal where he could get some breathing room. How many other artists could get a promoter to settle a lawsuit, even as an advance. MJ was in a financial bind at this time in general but even at a time of weakness, he was able to get things he wanted. This partnership would have been victorious in ways beyond finances if he had pulled it off that would have meant more than the tangible reward of dollars, which would have made it an equitable partnership in the end for him.

 

[StellaJackson]

Sorry, but in my opinion, your theory is a bit flawed.

I mean they negligently allowed Murray to do WHATEVER was necessary to get Michael to perform, according to you. Even to the point of allowing Murray to shot Michael full of Propofol, in direct violation as to what propofol is supposed to be used for. So in essence they put their star in danger in order for him to perform.

Sorry but that makes no sense, in my opinion.

Thus far, TO ME, it appears that folks were trying to figure out what was going on and got a little push back when the murderer Murray told them to mind their own business, and The Artist said "I know you're worried, but I'm fine." Kind of hard to push through when a 50-year old man tells you "he's fine."

All just my opinion, nothing more.

They didn't allow Murray to use propofol because they didn't know about it. They did however know that Klein was injecting Michael frequently. But my point is that I don't think they cared either way. As long as Michael showed up to perform then weren't bothered what anyone was doing. If hiring Murray kept Michael happy and meant he would show up then so be it. The fact that Michael had prior history of drug use and that Murray was asking for such huge sums of money should have been a red flag.

 

[Big Apple2]

Used it to show if he was going to have to pay it anyway, he knew how to structure a deal where he could get some breathing room. How many other artists could get a promoter to settle a lawsuit, even as an advance. MJ was in a financial bind at this time in general but even at a time of weakness, he was able to get things he wanted. This partnership would have been victorious in ways beyond finances if he had pulled it off that would have meant more than the tangible reward of dollars, which would have made it an equitable partnership in the end for him.

WORD!

That was a classic bit of negotiating on Michael's part, in my opinion.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Dr. Tohme-Tohme, the man Jermaine Jacksun brought into Michael's life, had something nasty to say about Ms. Katherine. WOW, little by little more will be revealed about the MYSTERY MAN named Doctor Tohme-Tohme. Jermaine might have to go into hiding if that happens.

As i understood it, jermaine introduced thome to mj for the specific reason to avoid the foreclosure of neverland, nothing to do with being mj's manager. Thome was some financial go-to guy who had contacts with financial people like tom barrack who might be able to lend mj money. However, Tohme's appointment as mj's manager was a different development. On the surface it seemed really odd, he had zilch experience as a manager, the music biz, pr or anything, but it seems to originate from tohme's relationship with barack who was the one who convinced mj that he had to go back to performing to avoid financial meltdown. I imagine barrack would have recommended thome, his friend, as a suitable manager for mj to get him focussed on getting back on stage. Barack made the initial contact with anchultz of aeg, and then with phillips and then thome took over the negotiations for tii. That's my reading of it, not sure how jerms fits in except right at the beginning.

Used it to show if he was going to have to pay it anyway, he knew how to structure a deal where he could get some breathing room. How many other artists could get a promoter to settle a lawsuit, even as an advance. MJ was in a financial bind at this time in general but even at a time of weakness, he was able to get things he wanted. This partnership would have been victorious in ways beyond finances if he had pulled it off that would have meant more than the tangible reward of dollars, which would have made it an equitable partnership in the end for him.

Who structured the deal? It would be Thome thome i imagine who was wanting to get mj focussed on getting back on stage. All this deal did was to get mj financially beholden to aeg. You see tii as everything mj ever wanted which is fine, i don't. I see mj as very very reluctant to get back to performing again and only the threat of financial armmageddon enticed him to get into a contract with aeg. Aeg were happy to advance money to mj as they knew it would 'lock' mj into the contract. They seemed to be under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that mj was erratic and would try and get out of doing things, so they would be fine if mj was under a financial obligation to them, a fact i'm sure they used to pressure him.

 

[Big Apple2]

They didn't allow Murray to use propofol because they didn't know about it. They did however know that Klein was injecting Michael frequently. But my point is that I don't think they cared either way. As long as Michael showed up to perform then weren't bothered what anyone was doing. If hiring Murray kept Michael happy and meant he would show up then so be it. The fact that Michael had prior history of drug use and that Murray was asking for such huge sums of money should have been a red flag.

Why should it have been a Red Flag? I mean, Murray had told them that he would be closing FIVE OFFICES.

A Red Flag to me would have been Murray walking around the arena with propofol bottles sticking out of his pockets. Otherwise, what goes on in the confines of our homes, especially our bedrooms, is no body business but our own.

Some folks acting like AEG ran a babysitting company, wherein they would not only watch over you on stage, but also watch over you at your home. As private as Michael Jackson was, that would have never happened. What did MJ say, oh yeah, I'M FINE!

 

[Big Apple2]

That's my reading of it, not sure how jerms fits in except right at the beginning.

Jermaine had some type of motive, I'M SURE.

Hey get him back on stage, and then help me and my brothers get back on stage WITH HIM. You know just like "Lucy Ricardo," Jermaine also wants to be in the show.

(You know Lucy was always bugging Ricky to be in the show, same as Jermaine Jacksun. LOL!)

 

[Bonnie Blue]

^ The jackson bros weren't part of the tii project (except in jerms' overfertile imagination) that thome negotiated and in fact the tii project scuppered the allgood plan which the family were part of.

 

[ivy]

Also about this Keya person - was that the same meeting where Putnam was also present? And was this Keya character sitting with them or just overheard things?

He said he was sitting at the next table.

Putnam was present and actually there's nothing wrong in discussing the case. Depositions and informal meetings are allowed. As long as it's not witness tampering it is okay to meet & talk.

I don't know, but unless this person taped the conversation (which would be illegal, no?) it's going to be a "he said, she said" type of thing. And when it's shown that he is a family friend, it's going to be a one big waste of time IMO.

restaurant is a public place with no expectation of privacy so a person can overhear the conversations and testify about it - of course after probably hearsay, argumentative, does not bring any benefit etc. arguments.

recording it is a little bit tricky. We need to check wiretaping laws for California. Recording a conversation that you aren't a part of, having a known opposition against the parties and using the recorded convo against them - is almost extortion territory. Even though I would not expect a criminal action (given the vagueness of it being an open place), if there was a recording it can prompt a civil lawsuit.

For example : Leann Rimes is a US country music singer, she had an affair with a married man who later divorced his wife and married Leann. She had received a lot of attacks and hate for it. One day while she is at a restaurant with some of her fans, she calls another person who is known to attack her on twitter. That person records and releases the phone call (which involved Leann cursing this woman). Now Leann is suing that person on wiretaping laws stating that she did not give consent for recording the conversation, the other woman is arguing Leann has no expectation for privacy as she was in a restaurant and the fans who were with her heard the conversation. The outcome is anyone's guess as the trial hasn't yet started.

I don't know if there's a audio/ video recording but deliberately recording third parties who you openly hate to use it against them is dangerous legal territory.

Well no not really because it is about showing that the people involved, as in Phillips etc, had little respect for Mj, which supports the theory that they negligently allowed Murray to do whatever was necessary to get Michael to perform and hired him in the first place to do so. They have painted AEG in a very bad light so far which ultimately helps their case. So it is very relevant.

I already mentioned how impeachment can be used against Phillips. for the negligent part please refer to the legal definition of negligent hiring and refer back to the judge's ruling.

The judge had already ruled it's not illegal for them to want Michael come to rehearsals, and they had no control over the means Murray did that.

I'm surprised they showed Billie Jean from TII to try and prove Mj was healthy when it is not a factual representation of that particular rehearsal ie dubbed vocals drom the demo.

vocals are irrelevant as well. they are looking to the physical status of Michael. That video is shown to demonstrate that he can do 360 spins, and he did not look sick or under the influence. Whether he is singing or not is irrelevant to the purpose of the video being shown.

Plus Payne already testified that Michael could not dance and sing live simultaneously.

 

[Mechi]

Some folks acting like AEG ran a babysitting company, wherein they would not only watch over you on stage, but also watch over you at your home. As private as Michael Jackson was, that would have never happened. What did MJ say, oh yeah, I'M FINE!

Nope not a babysitting company... that babysitter would just get payed.

AEG did buy themselves into Michaels life and he got completely financially dependent on them... completely.
Probably in Gongawares or Philips email vocabulary that would be: "We own his butt!"
What a nice atmosphere to work in.

It's true it certainly doesn't make Michael a five year old who needs babysitting but well it also didn't make him really a completely healthy and happy adult still caring for his three beloved kids! As we know, he is dead.

The question still is who had or had not might a part in it aside from Murray who undoubtfully killed him!

 

[troubleman84]

Randy's a blubbering idiot. :rolleyes2:

A drama queen, huh? What is he really implying there? Why the need for fake drama when Michael was just nervous? Now some folks are thinking he was faking drunk now? *sigh*

 

[Big Apple2]

^ The jackson bros weren't part of the tii project (except in jerms' overfertile imagination) that thome negotiated and in fact the tii project scuppered the allgood plan which the family were part of.

True the brothers weren't a part of the O2 dates - at that point.

But if I recall correctly, Tito was being interviewed and he stated, big smile plastered across his face, when asked if he was going to be on stage with Michael, he said "I HOPE he invites the brothers to join him on stage again."

And I'm sure with Ms. Katherine PUSHING in the forefront, with a request that she be able to see HER BOYS on stage together once again, it just MIGHT have happened, i.e. "Please Michael, you know your brothers need this. PLEASE!"

 

[gerryevans]

Who structured the deal? It would be Thome thome i imagine who was wanting to get mj focussed on getting back on stage. All this deal did was to get mj financially beholden to aeg. You see tii as everything mj ever wanted which is fine, i don't. I see mj as very very reluctant to get back to performing again and only the threat of financial armmageddon enticed him to get into a contract with aeg. Aeg were happy to advance money to mj as they knew it would 'lock' mj into the contract. They seemed to be under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that mj was erratic and would try and get out of doing things, so they would be fine if mj was under a financial obligation to them, a fact i'm sure they used to pressure him.

I don't think he was reluctant, I think he flat out did not want to do it. But MJ did what most of us HAVE to do when it comes to our finances. He went back to work. The work that he knew best. He had other alternatives, could have sold his interest in his most valuable assets, but he chose to go back to the stage. Sure, AEG had him at a disadvantage, but MJ made the most of the situation. Thome may have structured the deal, but MJ very well could have instructed him on how to structure it regarding Bahrain. He was a very smart man, erractic behavior or not, and if not for Murray's concoctions, I think MJ would have made a very successful comeback, proving all the naysayers wrong. He was certainly more than what he is being shown to be in this suit.

 

[Big Apple2]

AEG did buy themselves into Michaels life and he got completely financially dependent on them... completely.

But aren't we ALL completely financially dependent upon someone?

I mean, even if you own your own company, you are still completely financially dependent on your customers.

So in my opinion, it doesn't matter what the situation is, bottomline, we are all dependent upon someone. It "might" even be a spouse.

That's the way of the world!

 

[troubleman84]

Well it ain't like the Jacksons personally asked to do the festival. This was a BET thing and they probably agreed to do it through them and the people in AEG (least the ones not associated with the case) decided to provide them money. Like with Janet's venue tour a couple years ago, I doubt Randy Phillips handled that tour. He's surely not the one organizing the BET concert. So it's mainly a coincidence more than hypocritical. Yes it's ironic but it's not proof they're two-faced so who knows? It's only speculation.

 

[Mechi]

But aren't we ALL completely financially dependent upon someone?

No you're not... even if you will lose your job tomorrow you can just try finding a new one and life will go on!
Michael was in more debt than most of us could even imagine... he was under more pressure to do THIS IS IT no matter what than anyone of us could ever imagine!
Did you ever maybe asked for some credit at the bank... or asked for a loan on your very own house... that feeling multiplied with a billion is maybe at least a tiny bit from what Michael had to carry on his shoulders... plus being the most famous person in this world (non of us could ever compare to that, don't you agree at least on that) being in such problems... plus leting down fans if TII would have not happened... you can not seriously want to compare yourself to that situation! We are talking about Michael Joseph Jackson!


And yeah let me add... I do consider myself independent... if I'd lose my job tomorrow I'd find a new one the day after that... well luckily I had the chance for a good education and also to collect some pretty good reputation through my working years and used it all... aside from that I have some money in different accounts... not really earning money cuz I was seriously sick didn't bring me into problems! I am in a much much much happier situation... however... never I'd compare myself to Michael... in no way.

I mean honestly Big Apple you must be kidding... cuz you might have heard about Bill Gates... or hey let's get into Michaels league... Beyonce and JayZ should be pretty independent or Paul McCartney... you've might heard about them.

 

[StellaJackson]

Why should it have been a Red Flag? I mean, Murray had told them that he would be closing FIVE OFFICES.

A Red Flag to me would have been Murray walking around the arena with propofol bottles sticking out of his pockets. Otherwise, what goes on in the confines of our homes, especially our bedrooms, is no body business but our own.

Some folks acting like AEG ran a babysitting company, wherein they would not only watch over you on stage, but also watch over you at your home. As private as Michael Jackson was, that would have never happened. What did MJ say, oh yeah, I'M FINE!

Because Mj had a prior history of drug abuse so asking such for such an obscene amount of money for one doctor, when he could have had any doctor from the UK for a fraction of the cost, combined with the fact that if he was as healthy as Murray was telling them, then he shouldn't have needed one in the first place.

We all know now that the reason Mj wanted Murray was because he was the only doctor prepared to give him propofol. Of course that's pure hindsight. And I think a lot of this case comes down to foresight versus hindsight.

But aren't we ALL completely financially dependent upon someone?

I think people who work for a living and pay their own way might disagree.

 

[Justthefacts]

Clearly you have no idea how much a doctor with more then one office can make in a year. Relly tho

 

[StellaJackson]

Clearly you have no idea how much a doctor with more then one office can make in a year. Relly tho

Please enlighten me. I'm curious to know which doctors earn more than 20 million a year.

 

[ivy]

Please enlighten me. I'm curious to know which doctors earn more than 20 million a year.

where did the $20 Million number came from? Murray asked for $5 Million for the whole tour and offered $1.5 million for the whole tour.

and as for earnings

Average cardiologist salary

The average salary for a cardiologist who performs cardiac & thoracic surgery ranges from between $522,875.00 to $360,000.00 per year. The average salary for an invasive cardiologist ranges from about $402,000.00 to $272,000.00 per annum while the pediatric cardiologists receive an average salary ranging from about $230,900.00 to $189,000.00.

Cardiologist salary and wage in USA

The highest annual salary received by the cardiologists is about $811,000 while the lowest annual salary is around $268,000. In fact, the average reported salary for a cardiologist is about $403,000 annually.

The starting salary for cardiologists basically ranges from between $180,000 to $250,000 while the cardiologists with more than 5 years of experience receive salaries averaging from between $300,000 – $400,000. In fact, a competitive interventional cardiologist with profit-sharing partners can receive a salary of about $800,000 per year.

According to American Medical Group Association (AMGA) financial survey, the starting salary for an average cardiologist is about $292,000 per year while an experienced cardiologist receives $398,034 annually. The upper 10 percent of the cardiologists receive more than $300,000 per annum while the lowest 10 percent receive less than $150,000 per annum.

The median hourly wage for a cardiologist is about $105.66 per hour. The upper 10 percent receive an hourly wage of about $200.00 per hour while the lower 10 percent of them receive $70.00 per hour.

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above numbers do not account for multiple clinics I believe.

edited to add :

The above earnings is after the cost of operating the practice.

for example imagine that the doctor has 4 clinics - let's say 6 nurses in total. average salary for a nurse is $67,000 in USA so you are looking at another $360,000 for nurses. He would need 4 administrative assistants around $30 -40 K as well. so that makes another $150,000. Then you need to add the cost of utilities, rent, equipment and so on.

 

[StellaJackson]

Even the AEG execs have admitted that 5 million is too much. I agree. No doctor earns that much.

 

[Justthefacts]

In his prime crazy ass Klein made more then that a year

 

[Big Apple2]

Because Mj had a prior history of drug abuse so asking such for such an obscene amount of money for one doctor,

Oh I see, because Michael had a PRIOR history with drugs, they should all have considered him an addict. I got you now, you sound just like Leonard Rowe and Brian Oxman!!

 

[Big Apple2]

Please enlighten me. I'm curious to know which doctors earn more than 20 million a year.

Where did you get the 20 MILLION DOLLAR figure?

 

[Big Apple2]

I think people who work for a living and pay their own way might disagree.

Yeah, and who is paying for them to afford that living and being able to pay their own way? Answer: The person who pays there for services rendered.

You act like money just falls from the sky Henny-Penny!

And if they loose that job, then they become dependent on unemployment insurance, welfare, and/or social security.

No matter what your station is in life, you are dependent upon someone.

 

[bouee]

Clearly you have no idea how much a doctor with more then one office can make in a year. Relly tho

Exactly. So that doctor should be able to pay back his debts.

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about Phillips's credibility :

The jury was shown a June 17, 2009, email Phillips wrote to Tohme, eight days before Jackson died from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol. Phillips wrote him that he had an “intervention” with Jackson scheduled “to get him to focus and come to rehearsals…Getting him fully engaged is difficult and the most pressing matter as we are only 20 days from the first show.” Phillips said the intervention was not drug related. (LATimes)

Phillips said it was not an intervention, but a meeting.

Phillips testified he never said he was going to pull the plug on the show and never threatened MJ with pulling the plug.

E mail from Ortega to Phillips june 19th :

Randy

I will do whatever I can to be of help with this situation. If you need me to come to the house, just give me a call in the morning. My concern is now that we've brought the doctor into the fold and have played the tough love, now or never card is that the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion due to real emotional stuff.....
I twould shatter him, Break his heart if we pulled the plug.

Phillips first testified he thought Ortega meant a physical therapist, then switched to physical or mental health therapist and then finally agreed it was a mental health professional. He said neither a psychiatrist nor a psychologist was contacted. (LATimes)

Phillips said he remembers the meeting on June 20th lasted at least an hour. Dr. Murray and Phillips were sitting in one couch, MJ was in a bench and Ortega on another couch. In his deposition, Phillips said Ortega talked about MJ's physical and mental status. On the stand today, Phillips explained Ortega did very little talking in the meeting. "He addressed Michael coming to rehearsals." "I do not believe he talked about MJ's physical condition and mental state. Dr. Murray did most of the talking," Phillips testified.
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Without getting into details, Phillips said Ortega and Murray "were a little combative" at the meeting. Phillips said Murray reassured everyone that Jackson's health was fine. He said Jackson also assured them nothing was wrong with him. He said Murray told the group that Jackson may have had the flu, or some similar ailment. He said Jackson's health was discussed. Phillips said he couldn't recall whether Jackson's sleep issues were discussed. A portion of Randy Phillips' deposition was played in which he said sleep issues were discussed at the June 20, 2009 meeting.(AP)
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Phillips said lack of sleep was discussed in the June 20th meeting, but wasn't the main focus. Phillips said the reason of the meeting was to find out what happened in the night before, what was the issue and also MJ missing rehearsals.

Phillips said again that his concern with Ortega was that he wasn't going into the meeting with an open mind and that he was going to quit. Panish played Phillips deposition where he said he didn't remember what he was concerned about regarding Ortega.

In his depo, played to the jury, Phillips said there were no discussions on June 20th about MJ taking a couple of days off. However, in court today, Phillips testified Ortega suggested that MJ take two days off. (ABC7

Phillips said he did not recall what was discussed in a phone conversation with Murray. In his video deposition that was shown to the jury, Phillips first said the conversation lasted three minutes. He was shown phone records that showed it lasted 25 minutes. (LATimes)

Panish talked about email Phillips wrote to Ortega on Jun 20:
"Kenny, it's critical that neither you, me or anyone else around this show become amateur psychiatrist or physicians. I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Murray, who I'm gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more. He said that Michael is not only physically equipped to perform and, that discouraging him to, will hasten his decline instead of stopping it. Dr. Murray also reiterated that he's mentally able to and was speaking to me from the house where he has spent the morning with MJ. This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he totally unbiased and ethical. It is critical we surround Michael with love and support and listen to how he wants to get ready for July 13th. Cont'd: You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping this show now. It would far outweigh "calling this game in the 7th inning". I'm not just talking about AEG's interests here, but the myriad of stuff/lawsuits swirling around MJ that I crisis manage every day and also his well-being. I am meeting with him today at 4p at the Forum. Please stay steady. Enough alarms have sounded. It is time to out out the fire, not burning the building down. Sorry for all the analogies. Randy (ABC7)

Panish’s final question: “You felt it was exhausting taking care of all of Michael Jackson’s affairs?” (AP) “ I did not deal with MJ's affairs, but dealing with MJ was exhausting," Phillips explained. (ABC7)

Panish asked if Phillips remembered his reaction after receiving this email. "Yes, yes. Concerned," Philips responded. Panish showed video of Phillips' deposition where said he didn't remember how he reacted when the received the email (ABC7)

Phillips answered the email saying he was not sure what MJ's problem was, chemical or physiological. Panish went thru 5 different answers Phillips gave as explanation for this email, from not knowing what chemical means to possible drug reaction. (ABC

Ortega then sent another email to Randy, saying he believed MJ needed to be psychologically evaluated. Phillips testified today he agreed with what Kenny said. In his deposition, Phillips said he didn't recall. (ABC7)

Then he says he didn't think Michael had psychological issues.

There was one email from Phillips from morning of June 20, 2009 , it was sent to MJ's business manager. "This is why it is impossible to advance any $$$. He may, unfortunately, be in anticipatory breach at this point" _ Phillips wrote. The manager, Michael Kane, quickly replied, “And I thought it couldn’t get worse.” Phillips was asked what he meant about the "breach" statement. He said he felt Jackson was obligated to rehearse. (AP)

Putnam: Did you ever tell MJ or his management team he was in breach of his contract? Phillips: No

Phillips said he doesn't remember whether MJ was chilled on June 24th. Panish: Did you ever see MJ walking around in blankets? Phillips: It's possible, because the place was freezing. But I don't remember

Phillips said he believe MJ must've had a lawyer on June 2, 2009. He said MJ used different lawyers for different things.
On 6/2/09, Phillips wrote to Jeff Wald (maker coffee table books):
Jeff, remember getting MJ to focus is not the easiest thing in the world we still have no lawyer, business manager, or, even, real manager in place. It is a nightmare! (ABC7)

Phillips says he was telling the truth in his deposition, and was not accurate in his email. "I was relaying what Dr. Tohme told me... I wrote it as fast as I could write it."

Panish said, "You have to yell pretty loud to make the walls shake. Do you have a tendency to exaggerate?"

Phillips said, "No."

(this "no" still makes me laugh)

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So Phillips thought that Tohme did a phenomenal job :

Phillips said he trusted Tohme based on how he treated Michael Jackson. He said he thought at the time, he did a “phenomenal job.” (AP)

 

[Mechi]

that 'NO' just made me laugh also....... sheeeeeesh he is such a drama queen, isn't he!!! lol

 

[StellaJackson]

Oh I see, because Michael had a PRIOR history with drugs, they should all have considered him an addict. I got you now, you sound just like Leonard Rowe and Brian Oxman!!

Your taking what I said completely out of context. They should have at least thought twice as to why Michael so badly wanted Murray and at any cost when he had already had a problem with medication in the past. If they had suspected it was due to drugs then they would have been right because Michael was using propofol.

 

[StellaJackson]

Yeah, and who is paying for them to afford that living and being able to pay their own way? Answer: The person who pays there for services rendered.

You act like money just falls from the sky Henny-Penny!

And if they loose that job, then they become dependent on unemployment insurance, welfare, and/or social security.

No matter what your station is in life, you are dependent upon someone.

When a person works and earns money, they are dependent on themselves to do that work. Employers don't pay their staff for nothing.

 

[marc_vivien]

It's pretty shocking ... but Katherine Jackson may have taken a giant step today toward convincing a jury AEG Live was negligent in protecting Michael Jackson just days before his death.AEG Live honcho Randy Phillips had trouble explaining to Katherine's lawyer why he thought MJ "looked really good" in a meeting 5 days before his death when a photograph taken a day before the meeting clearly showed otherwise.The photo shows a smiling Jackson but someone who looked gaunt and pale.* On top of that, there is testimony that producer/director Kenny Ortega and others were alarmed over Jackson's health.In the days preceding his death, Jackson had missed rehearsals and was sweating profusely.* He also seemed out of it.*As for how Phillips reconciled his statement with other evidence, he said, "I was confused as anybody."Here's the deal ... This case was AEG's to lose.* AEG could have made it simple and just said they assumed MJ was being properly cared for by the doctor MJ handpicked.* But AEG has gotten a little too cute, painting a picture that the jury may not be buying.Short story ... Propofol aside, if the jury believes AEG unreasonably pushed MJ like a circus animal, they could be in beaucoup trouble.

TMZ

 

[bouee]

Because Mj had a prior history of drug abuse so asking such for such an obscene amount of money for one doctor, when he could have had any doctor from the UK for a fraction of the cost, combined with the fact that if he was as healthy as Murray was telling them, then he shouldn't have needed one in the first place.

We all know now that the reason Mj wanted Murray was because he was the only doctor prepared to give him propofol. Of course that's pure hindsight. And I think a lot of this case comes down to foresight versus hindsight.

I agree with the bolded part. It doesn't make sense.

- Phillips acknowledges there was a weight issue & hired a "food person"(why when you have a full time doctor)
- Phillips said he didn't think there was a psychological issue
- Physical therapist came back into the picture on june 22nd, in spite of Michael refusing one earlier
- Phillips wrote to Ortega that cancelling the she shows would "hasten Michael's decline" - he acknowledges there was a decline (and possibly Murray acknowleded that too)
- After 187 different answers , it appears that the sleep issue WAS discussed on june 20th
- Karen says Phillips put someone in Michael's dressing room on june 23rd and 24th (food person ? Physio ? Someone else ? - PG was asked if it was OK to put the physical therapist table in MJ's dressing room, so maybe it was the physio ?
- Phillips came to rehearsals on june 23rd and 24th- Karen said that Michael was better, but still cold and repeating stuff on 23rd. According to Alif Sankey and a video shown in the courtroom, Michael arrived wrapped in a blanket in june 24th- Phillips said Staples Center was freezing, when a lot of people were in shirts & t shirts, and no one mentionned that Staples Center was freezing cold. Everyone else was surprised to see Michael in a blanket. Travis thought he had the flu. If Murray mentionned the flu, as Phillips said, why not simply stick to that ?


It doesn't make sense, unless Phillips knew what Murray's job was (ie dealing with sleep issues).
It doesn't make sense to talk about Klein , when Michael was already seeing Klein in april, he went there more often in april than in may and june, and Michael was fine in april. They had Klein's bill to show that. It makes no sense either to worry about Klein when Phillips knew Murray was aware of Klein. What did Murray do about klein ? Why did Murray say Michael was fine if there was an issue with Klein ?
It makes no sense either to ignore both Ortega and Hougdal, saying Michael had been deteriorating for the same time as Murray was Michael's full time doctor. it makes no sense to justify this with an undated Billie Jean video.

Phillips knew that something weird was going on with Murray, he was fine with it, as long as Michael went to reherasals. He might not have know what exactly it was, or how dangerous it could be, but he understood something was not completely right, and cautionned it. According to Tim Wooley's e mail, Murray was even made responsible of Michael's attendance to rehearsals.

How come he was so insisting on defending Murray after Michael died , That also is supicious, IMO.