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Re: Jacksons vs AEG - Day 19 - May 29 2013 - News Only (no discussion)

Does anyone know whether a unanimous jury vote is required in CA for civil trials?
 
StellaJackson said:
Also, I think people will have a very different opinion of Frank Dileo when those emails come out.
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You mean the same Frank DiLeo who was the ONLY person who actually came to court as a sign of support for Michael during that awful, awful trial? I guess time will tell.
 
Big Apple2 said:
You mean the same Frank DiLeo who was the ONLY person who actually came to court as a sign of support for Michael during that awful, awful trial? I guess time will tell.
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And his family were there everyday and all they get is abuse.
 
Serendipity, the plaintiffs AND defendants stipulated (agreed) that the Jacksons did try to help Michael with his issues and both sides mentioned it in their opening statements. Since both sides agree, the plaintiffs do not have to prove that.

Gongaware has been on tours with individuals who had these issues and he saw how each individual tried to handle those issues in a stress triggered environment such as a tour. He was aware how some doctors were around Michael. The defense cannot say Michael doctor shopped for abusive purposes and then say the doctor they allegedly hired at Michael’s instance should not have been suspected.

Ivy, it is not necessary to remove the word “you;” it does not hurt me. When anyone tries to paint me as a person who looks on those with dependency issues in a negative manner, I will respond to that as I have. Again, you suggest what the Jacksons did was negative when BOTH sets of lawyers stipulated that family tried to help their son/brother. These sets of lawyers do not agree on much and one thing they do agree on is seen as negative and that is disappointing.

I am glad to hear your friend is clean. That is a day to day fight to maintain. When situations arise that may trigger those tendencies, it is NOT a negative to check on that person, anyone new around them, and anyone who previously enabled them, to help ensure that person continues sobriety.

Gongaware was close enough to Michael personally and professionally to know what happened during those tours. He was about to embark on a third tour with Michael and knew how the stress of those tours triggered his issues and how doctors who were less than ethical took advantage of the situation.
 
StellaJackson said:
And his family were there everyday and all they get is abuse.
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And some of this family were at the court sometimes, and when they were not at the court for some photos, were working with Stacy Brown who said publicly that Mike was a pedo.
 
StellaJackson said:
And his family were there everyday and all they get is abuse.
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I believe it was his Mother that was there EVERYDAY, but it doesn't really matter. I mean, THEY ARE FAMILY and isn't that how family usually responds in your time of need?

Mr. DiLeo wasn't family, just an old business associate.

Anyway, Jermaine "probably" had a contract in his pocket, that said "if we show up, you have to tour with us."
 
Didn't the family get a payment for their appearances with Michael?
Tito said that MJ gave him a car after the trial that was used to carry around all the start who contributes to his charity song and it was signed all of them. I take a wild guess that car was Tito's payment for his appearance.
 
Tygger said:
Gongaware was close enough to Michael personally and professionally to know what happened during those tours. He was about to embark on a third tour with Michael and knew how the stress of those tours triggered his issues and how doctors who were less than ethical took advantage of the situation.
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Does that mean that Mr. Gongaware should have ALSO known that Michael "may" have used propofol as a sleep aid during those 2 previous tours?

(I don't know if Michael did use propofol before, I'm just asking a question.)
 
Big Apple2 said:
I believe it was his Mother that was there EVERYDAY, but it doesn't really matter. I mean, THEY ARE FAMILY and isn't that how family usually responds in your time of need?

Mr. DiLeo wasn't family, just an old business associate.

Anyway, Jermaine "probably" had a contract in his pocket, that said "if we show up, you have to tour with us."
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Yes! Remember when Jermaine, unemployed since 1984, went on all medias in summer 2005 to do interviews saying, " Mike will Tour with all the family , we are speaking about that, be ready the Jackson 5 will comeback soon! "

In summer 2005, unbelievable! When Mike was still trying to recover from the trial.

THEY WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY.
 
Diplomate said:
Yes! Remember when Jermaine, unemployed since 1984, went on all medias in summer 2005 to do interviews saying, " Mike will Tour with all the family , we are speaking about that, be ready the Jackson 5 will comeback soon! "

In summer 2005, unbelievable! When Mike was still trying to recover from the trial.

THEY WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY.
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Jermaine was releasing albums, performing and making videos both as a solo artist and as part of the Jacksons for years after 1984. He was also doing numerous television and public appearances. He certainly wasn't unemployed.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I believe it was his Mother that was there EVERYDAY, but it doesn't really matter. I mean, THEY ARE FAMILY and isn't that how family usually responds in your time of need?

Mr. DiLeo wasn't family, just an old business associate.

Anyway, Jermaine "probably" had a contract in his pocket, that said "if we show up, you have to tour with us."
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And he "probably" didn't. Either way it is pure speculation.
 
Diplomate said:
Yes! Remember when Jermaine, unemployed since 1984, went on all medias in summer 2005 to do interviews saying, " Mike will Tour with all the family , we are speaking about that, be ready the Jackson 5 will comeback soon! "
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Yes, I also recall a more recent interview wherein Jermaine CLAIMED that after Michael finished his 50 O2 dates, he would be doing ANOTHER 50 dates with his brothers.

Which is a little confusing, because if Michael was unable to do the O2 dates, how in the world would he be able to do 50 dates with the brothers?

That dang Jermaine, he's such a character. LOL!
 
StellaJackson said:
Jermaine was releasing albums, performing and making videos both as a solo artist and as part of the Jacksons for years after 1984. He was also doing numerous television and public appearances. He certainly wasn't unemployed.
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He said he could NOT pay his child support because he wasn't working and his funds were very, very limited. You don't think he was lying, do you?

Child Support = Very Important To The Well-Being Of Your Child.
 
Anyway, back to the trial. Geez, gongaware's hard going in that deposition. I noticed people making much of karen faye's poor memory on the stand, but i think gongaware's is non existent. Jurors i would imagine hate that type of thing in a witness as it just makes them look shifty, so if aeg's case is so watertight, why the need to stall. I know he was a hostile witness, but he didn't recall a whole lot.

Also is there anyone who is still convinced that mj was uber keen to do 50 shows. Gongaware actually got a special calandar drawn up with different colours and everything so mikey wouldn't think he was working so hard? They treated him as if he was retarded.
 
Big Apple2 said:
He said he could NOT pay his child support because he wasn't working and his funds were very, very limited. You don't think he was lying, do you?

Child Support = Very Important To The Well-Being Of Your Child.
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That was recent. We were talking about after 1984.
 
Tygger said:
Serendipity, the plaintiffs AND defendants stipulated (agreed) that the Jacksons did try to help Michael with his issues and both sides mentioned it in their opening statements. Since both sides agree, the plaintiffs do not have to prove that.
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Still I'm sure their interventions and concertventions will be brought up and discussed when they get on that witness stand. The jury may not end up thinking much of their "help" to MJ. We have to wait and see how that goes.

Bubs said:
Didn't the family get a payment for their appearances with Michael?
Tito said that MJ gave him a car after the trial that was used to carry around all the start who contributes to his charity song and it was signed all of them. I take a wild guess that car was Tito's payment for his appearance.
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There were reports the family damanded to be paid to go on TV and defend MJ. However the most disturbing thing was them shopping a reality show during jury deliberations. I still cannot wrap my mind around this. What kind of family would do something like this.

And btw I believe it was only Katherine who attended every day. How many times did Randy show up? Cause he seems to be attending regularly this AEG/billion dollar trial. Says a lot IMO.
 
Does anyone know if a unanimous jury verdict is required in CA civil court? Some states it's just 3/4's.
 
I wish the Jackson's would say that whatever settlement they are awarded from AEG that the whole thing will be handed over to the estate to be used for the Michael Jackson charities. That is the only way I would believe them when they say this is about justice and honor for Michael.

I truly believe Michael would be mortified that his family is going after this kind of money and allowing such intimate details of his life to be revealed. But he wouldn't be surprised....
 
ilmjj said:
I truly believe Michael would be mortified that his family is going after this kind of money and allowing such intimate details of his life to be revealed. But he wouldn't be surprised....
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Totally agree!

The sweet man was SO private. In my opinion, he would not only be mortified that his private matters are being laid open for the entire world to see, but more importantly, that his children (the 2 oldest) are also being dragged into this mess. That more than anything, in my opinion, he would just hate.
 
StellaJackson said:
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Thanks, that was funny. he makes me think of the 3 stooges, I don't know why..

here is another one :

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2013/05/30/mj-trial-aeg-email.cnn.html

and a part of the article that goes with the video :

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/29/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=en_c1
After the jury left the courtroom Wednesday, Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos commented on the number of "I don't recall" responses. "We've had a lot of that," she said. "How much more of that?"
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Big Apple2 said:
In my opinion Ms. Faye CLEARLY flipped the script.

In my further opinion, homegirl was enjoying the attention from the fans she was getting. The more she said, the more the fans came out to follow her and delight in her every word. I have no idea if she was lying or not, but she was definitely enjoying the attention her HAPPY tweets were bring her.

She was happy. Michael was happy. And the fans she was speaking to were DEFINITELY happy that she continued to share little tidbits with them. In her little Twitter Sphere SHE was the star. LOL!
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bouee said:
Thanks, that was funny. he makes me think of the 3 stooges, I don't know why..

here is another one :

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/showbiz/2013/05/30/mj-trial-aeg-email.cnn.html

and a part of the article that goes with the video :

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/29/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?hpt=en_c1
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He's hanging himself on the stand.
 
StellaJackson said:
He's hanging himself on the stand.
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from the same article I quoted above (Alan Duke)
Gongaware's repetition of "I don't recall" several dozen times under questioning by Jackson lawyer Brian Panish eventually drew laughs from jurors, including when Panish began answering for him with that phrase.
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StellaJackson said:
Jermaine was releasing albums, performing and making videos both as a solo artist and as part of the Jacksons for years after 1984. He was also doing numerous television and public appearances. He certainly wasn't unemployed.
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So, where the money went? Where is his investment, where are the money to support his mother and his children. I really don't understand why his children and former wife lived so long in the house payed by his brother and depends their daily living on the money his brother was giving to Katherine. I stiil can not understand why Katherine is supported financially fully by Michael's estate and still wants more money. Why Jermaine is not helping her out? Rhetoric question. He is not able to support his own children and is counting on his 80 something mother to help him out...
 
Actually "I don't recall" is a very common answer. @elapentela is right, you should read Michael's deposition in Prescient lawsuit. It's a combination of "I don't recall", "I don't know" and "this other person would know it".

The only thing is that is the jury believes that he doesn't recall or think he's lying. Will they think it's normal for him to not remember an email he sent 4 years ago or would you think that he's lying about not remembering it? It could surely backfire if he uses it way to much. That deposition video, he's quick to answer and it doesn't look like he shows hesitation.
 
^^ he must have rehearsed that part, I guess that's why he was quick, this is the problematic e mail.

Michael had more vocabulary , he would not stick to "I don't remember" , he could also say 'maybe' could be' "it's fuzzy" "i'm bad with dates" , "I'm not sure" "possibly' , he made it less boring .

Honestly I think questions like "did I read this correctly" "do you understand all the words" are funny, especially when Gongaware scratches his head, looking like he's trying hard to understand. I know it's usual procedure, but it's a bit ridiculous (not his fault, I know) . And when PG says "he doesn't understand' what he wrote, well, it's funny too.

To me it means he coudn't come up with a proper explanation, given AEG's defense strategy. It's pointless, that e mail speaks for itself, not answering the question makes it worse IMO.
 
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