Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[bouee]

tidbits ffrom tim Lopez's testimony (Murray trial)

CM placed an order on April 6th on the phone. 10 bottles of 100ml Propofol and 25 bottles of 20ml Propofol.

The first shipment was sent to CM's Vegas office. CM removed some items and asked if the rest can be shipped to his office in LA.

April 28 order. 40 bottles of 100ml Propofol and 25 bottles of 20ml Propofol.

April 30. CM inquired about availability of Lorazepam and Midazolam in injectible form. Lorazepam is also available in a pill format. 10 vials of 10ml Lorazepam, 20 vials of 2ml Midazolam

First 2 weeks of May. TL discussed several items with CM. CM had a concern with the base of Benoquin, wanted it to be less greasy. TL said he could do several formulas. CM also asked if it could be done in a larger packaging size. CM wanted packaging to look better.

CM wanted energy formulations for boost. CM didn't want any narcotics or prescription drugs , he wanted natural products. CM said this was for wakefulness and energy. TL said he would look into it.

CM said his patients were complaining about injection site pain. CM wanted a topical anesthetic that only had lidocaine cream in it. TL did a mix for him that had 2% Lidocaine. Such creams are rub onto the skin before injecting a needle.

May 12 receipt. 40 vials of 100ml Propofol. 25 vials of 20ml Propofol. 20 vials of 2ml Midazolam. 10 vials of 0.5 ml Flumazenil . Lidocaine cream 30 gr.

June 10. 25 vials 30ml Lidocaine . 40 vials of 100ml Propofol . 50 vials of 20ml Propofol. Hydroquinone 60 gr 20 tubes. Benoquin 60 gr 20 tubes.

propofol :

april 6 : 10*100 ml - 25 *20ml
april 28 : 40*100 ml - 25*20ml
may 12 : 40*100 ml - 25*20 ml - Lidocaine
june 10 : 40*100 ml- 50*20 ml- injectable lidocaine

before april 6, he was also ordering benoquin (vitiligo).
he starts lidocaine mid may.
he orders less propofol on april 6th than on the other dates.

 

[bouee]

From lee's testimony :

On April 12 easter Sunday. Lee visited MJ. MJ told her he had a sleep problem and nothing she gave him was working. Lee offered to do a sleep study in his home and MJ said he didn't have time for that.

MJ wanted her to see he couldn't sleep and asked her to stay a night and watch him to sleep. Lee agreed. MJ had "sleepy tea" (a herbal tea), had myers cocktail and Vitamin C IV. The catheter was on his hand because MJ had very small veins. Michael had also joked that he had "squiggly veins". Other than being small he had no problems with his veins. Lee watched him to sleep for 5 hours. MJ waked up around 3 AM.

I think it makes sense : he was trying different options and made up his mind on propofol around april 18th.

 

[LastTear]

^ It seems that some posters agreed with green that it was significant that mj's meeting with lee when he asked about prop was on a sunday (supposedly murray's day off) and this has led some to claim that lee's testimony did in fact show mj was looking for prop on the sunday, which ironically i don't think even the aeg expert tried to claim, just imply.


To repeat - it is not in lee's testimony that mj was looking for prop the day that murray wasn't working, the sunday. Just because an aeg expert says it, or implies it, doesn't make it true. Was sunday even murry's day off? - he wasn't working 6 days a week in april. Where in lee's testimony do you get that mj wasn't honest with her? Lee never testified to having a conversation with mj regarding his use of prop, just that he told her it was the only thing that could 'knock him out' and that doctors had told him it was safe if he was monitored.


No, she didn't spend the night of the 18th with mj. The sleep study was the night of 19/20th, later in the day after the morning meeting on the 19th.


No. Lee never testified that mj asked for her to find someone to give him prop on the morning of the 19th. All he did was mention that prop was the only thing that helped him sleep as it knocked him out. Lee had never heard of it until that moment. It was only after the sleep study was not a success, on the early morning of the 20th that mj said that prop was the only thing that knocked him sleep and asked if she could find someone to help him sleep with it. Neither of them spoke to each other again for months, so it seems to have been an informal request, lee had made it pretty clear to mj that she didn't believe it was safe to use in a home setting so i imagine mj knew that lee wouldn't be suggesting anyone.

Have you listened to the testimony tape that Bubs put up? Nurse Lee was with Michael the night of the 18th April - he didn't sleep well and either in the late hours of the 18th or early hours of the 19th Michael said Diprovan was the only thing that helped him sleep, she was still at Michael's house when she called a doctor to find out about Diprovan, she left after arranging to try again, one more time, that night (19th) and that night she came back with her medical book, which she only brought back because Michael was telling her that it was safe if he was monitored.

Not honest with her? Michael didn't tell her of his propofol arrangement with Murray, whose first order of propofol was the 6th April. and he didn't tell her that he had used propofol in such a way before.

 

[Tygger]

God forbid you accusing or even hinting any Jackson's are guilty of anything criminal, but throwing accusations on AEG is all allowed, if not preferable, according to some.
Stay in your line

Bubs, it bears repeating: an accusation is not a conviction.

I don't think how she was paid defines whether AEG could talk to her, Michael defines that. It's about every one doing their job, Kai prepares food it's not her job and is not qualified to be a nutritionist.

If Green is twisting then it's up to the Plantiffs to untwist.

Last Tear, AEG simply did not have any relationship with those paid with an advance. Maybe someone can provide an example of someone AEG had a relationship with who was paid through an advance. Green’s whole testimony was to remove any conflict of interest from the doctor who was beholden to AEG through alleged implied employment. The more interesting discussion is how Green attempted to assert independence on the doctor from AEG. This speaks to their verdict form.

The fact it was a sunday wasn't a damaging revelation about mj. Agree with soundmind it's a twisting of lee's testimony by an aeg expert, i have no idea why posters are going along with it and agreeing with this misprepresentation.

Bonnie Blue, I agree with you and Soundmind. It is interesting and illogical for Michael to do such because it was suggested in this thread that Sunday was when Michael got three natural hours of sleep.

Murray was already "in network" for at least one, if not more, insurance companies and was vetted by them--to use your example above. Clearly he passed the vetting test. AEG could rightfully use the insurance company vetting process as their reason for not doing extensive background checks because he already passed that hurdle and had the "seal of approval" already.

Crillon, AEG cannot claim that as they did not do the minimum an insurance company would do did they?

Last Tear, Bubs, Crillon, again, hindsight. You can limit the amount of vetting the doctor should have received however; AEG did not do even that. Jorrie performed a feeble 10 minute Google search and she is not an AEG employee. AEG performed NO background check when most people are vetted for lesser positions.

On one hand what you say , a doctor being potentially dangerous and AEG being a third party, makes sense. It makes sense that Jorrie or AEG should have checked, to protect AEG / themselves for liability. As a lawyer, her job is to anticipate any potential problem, it was a rare thing for AEG to do, and that's why they asked her to handle the contract.

Bouee, this is simply all the plaintiffs have suggested. Anyone of us will be asked to submit to a background check as a condition of employment for various positions lesser than the doctor’s. However, some find it acceptable when AEG allegedly hires a personal doctor as a third party for another, they are allowed to be negligent and not vet the doctor and use Michael as the excuse. This has continually been suggested in this thread and I do not understand how the doctor is above being vetted when we in this thread are vetted for lesser positions. It is illogical.

Ivy, no issues, I and Putnam shall remain in the dark. laughs. It bears repeating: it would have been foolish and amateurish for Panish to submit any evidence that AEG would not be able to access until after the 25th.

 

[bouee]

Bouee, this is simply all the plaintiffs have suggested. Anyone of us will be asked to submit to a background check as a condition of employment for various positions lesser than the doctor’s. However, some find it acceptable when AEG allegedly hires a personal doctor as a third party for another, they are allowed to be negligent and not vet the doctor and use Michael as the excuse. This has continually been suggested in this thread and I do not understand how the doctor is above being vetted when we in this thread are vetted for lesser positions. It is illogical.

I know that some of our nurses schools here in France- not all of them- do background checks before accepting students (judgements against the student, probably only criminal, but I'm not 100% sure if it's only criminal). Half of the studies, ie 1.5 years are practical trainings in hospitals, nursing homes, etc...

 

[LastTear]

Tygger

Last Tear, AEG simply did not have any relationship with those paid with an advance. Maybe someone can provide an example of someone AEG had a relationship with who was paid through an advance. Green’s whole testimony was to remove any conflict of interest from the doctor who was beholden to AEG through alleged implied employment. The more interesting discussion is how Green attempted to assert independence on the doctor from AEG. This speaks to their verdict form.

We were arguing about the reason AEG did not consider Kai Chase for a nutritionist position, you say it is because she was paid by advance and I say it was because she was not qualified. We are just nit picking really.

Green's testimony was to remove conflict of interest from AEG. Yes they are putting distance between themselves and Murray and by pointing out that Michael had a professional relationship with Murray prior to AEG and insisted Murray was the one Michael wanted goes a long way to do just that. IMO

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Have you listened to the testimony tape that Bubs put up? Nurse Lee was with Michael the night of the 18th April - he didn't sleep well and either in the late hours of the 18th or early hours of the 19th Michael said Diprovan was the only thing that helped him sleep, she was still at Michael's house when she called a doctor to find out about Diprovan, she left after arranging to try again, one more time, that night (19th) and that night she came back with her medical book, which she only brought back because Michael was telling her that it was safe if he was monitored.

Yes i did listen to it. At 4.50 chernoff checks the dates with her. You are wrong, lee was not with mj on the night of 18th, her meeting was in the morning of the 19th and she came back later that day to do the sleep study on the 19/20th. There was no 2nd sleep study night. If you want to continue saying there was another sleep study on 18th, maybe provide me with the video timing. I'm really not sure why it's so important to you.

Not honest with her? Michael didn't tell her of his propofol arrangement with Murray, whose first order of propofol
was the 6th April. and he didn't tell her that he had used propofol in such a way before.

Why on earth should he? He was just telling her about his difficulties sleeping and how prop was the only thing that worked for him. He wasn't asking her to start injecting him with it, the woman had never ever heard of it before.

re Lee's testimony I understand the same thing as Soundmind, Bonnie Blue and Petrarose : she doesn't say he was asking propofol for a specific date. Green is definitely twisting her testimony, unless she was deposed and said something else that we don't know in her depo.

I don't even think it's green twisting lee's testimony. It seems that posters here seem to think that aeg are claiming mj wanted prop on murray's day off, the 19th and so are trying to find this in lee's testimony. Going by the media tweets it seems the jackson lawyers only brought up the 19th april meeting where mj was asking lee about prop to show that mj was not necessarily getting prop at this time from murray which would help them as it predates murray's aeg contract. Green was saying that as far as he's concerned murray was giving prop to mj on the 19th as he had started ordering it and it just shows mj was looking for prop from multiple sources as he was a typical addict. But then the next day green had to admit in testimony that murray didn't work sundays and the 19th was a sunday (even tho this was april and murray wasn't working 6 days a week). Somehow this has been interpreted on here as aeg suggesting mj was a 7 days a week prop addict and he was looking on this partic sunday for some prop.

He saw Metzger on the 18th, and nurse Lee on 19th. I don't believe he asked for propofol on 12th, with nurse Lee, did he ?

A categoric no. Lee testifies that mj first mentioned prop to her on the 19th. So no, mj wasn't on the lookout on sundays for his daily dose.

 

[Soundmind]

Yes i did listen to it. At 4.50 chernoff checks the dates with her. You are wrong, lee was not with mj on the night of 18th, her meeting was in the morning of the 19th and she came back later that day to do the sleep study on the 19/20th. There was no 2nd sleep study night. If you want to continue saying there was another sleep study on 18th, maybe provide me with the video timing. I'm really not sure why it's so important to you.


Why on earth should he? He was just telling her about his difficulties sleeping and how prop was the only thing that worked for him. He wasn't asking her to start injecting him with it, the woman had never ever heard of it before.


I don't even think it's green twisting lee's testimony. It seems that posters here seem to think that aeg are claiming mj wanted prop on murray's day off, the 19th and so are trying to find this in lee's testimony. Going by the media tweets it seems the jackson lawyers only brought up the 19th april meeting where mj was asking lee about prop to show that mj was not necessarily getting prop at this time from murray which would help them as it predates murray's aeg contract. Green was saying that as far as he's concerned murray was giving prop to mj on the 19th as he had started ordering it and it just shows mj was looking for prop from multiple sources as he was a typical addict. But then the next day green had to admit in testimony that murray didn't work sundays and the 19th was a sunday (even tho this was april and murray wasn't working 6 days a week). Somehow this has been interpreted on here as aeg suggesting mj was a 7 days a week prop addict and he was looking on this partic sunday for some prop.



A categoric no. Lee testifies that mj first mentioned prop to her on the 19th. So no, mj wasn't on the lookout on sundays for his daily dose.

AEG's advocates in their attempt to prove AEG is scoring points MJ became a very fair game, the same goes with the Jacksons advocate. And each side claim they are throwing MJ under the bus out of care

 

[crillon]

^^Tygger

Insurance companies don't do credit checks on medical doctors, and even if they did, nothing would have shown up in Murray's background that would have prevented his being approved as one of their network doctors. So, if one of their approved in-network doctors irresponsibly gives someone propofol for insomnia and that person dies, I don't think there's any way the insurance company would be held liable because they didn't do a credit check. That doctor would be held responsible and prosecuted and put in jail, as Murray was, and no information about being late on a mortgage payment or multiple SSN numbers would make a difference in predicting that doctor's reckless behavior.

 

[LastTear]

@bonnie Blue,

Yes i did listen to it. At 4.50 chernoff checks the dates with her. You are wrong, lee was not with mj on the night of 18th, her meeting was in the morning of the 19th and she came back later that day to do the sleep study on the 19/20th. There was no 2nd sleep study night. If you want to continue saying there was another sleep study on 18th, maybe provide me with the video timing. I'm really not sure why it's so important to you.

You will be pleased to know you are right. The confusing part was where Lee was clearing up that the first conversation with Michael was the morning of 19th - which lead me to think she had been there the precious night. So, right off the bat. The first morning he meets with Lee he talked about diprovan. I think I preferred my scenario. Important? No, only in discussing Greens testimony, please don't make it personal.

Why on earth should he? He was just telling her about his difficulties sleeping and how prop was the only thing that worked for him. He wasn't asking her to start injecting him with it, the woman had never ever heard of it before.

Because he was discussing it with her and was asking for her help. She may have suggested something else if she was aware that at times he was artificially put to sleep.

 

[ivy]

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m
AEG Live is seeking a dismissal of the case, claiming the plaintiffs haven’t shown enough evidence to send the case to the jury. AEG's motion won't be heard until Sept. 5 so that all the lawyers who need to argue it can be present.

 

[LastTear]

^^^ A date for when Katherine's motion to amend to be heard would also be useful. Ivy, would you please ask AP - more likely to get an answer if you ask.

 

[ivy]

And on a semi related update

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-20/michael-jackson-s-estate-challenges-irs-in-tax-dispute.html

Michael Jackson’s Estate Challenges IRS in Tax Dispute
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Michael Jackson’s estate challenged a tax bill calculated by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, arguing that it overvalued assets including real estate, a Bentley automobile and the late singer’s “image and likeness.”
The estate filed a petition in response to an IRS “notice of deficiency” issued in May regarding the estate’s tax return. All amounts in the document were redacted.
The valuations in the estate’s return “were accurate and based upon qualified appraisals by qualified appraisers who had extensive experience in valuing entertainment industry assets,” according to the petition. It was filed July 26 in U.S. Tax Court in Washington by attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain, the co-executors of Jackson’s estate.
Paul Hoffman, of Hoffman Sabban & Watenmaker, one of the attorneys filing the suit, declined to discuss the sums in dispute, saying only that “the IRS is wrong.”
Jackson died in June 2009 at age 50. His death was ruled a homicide by the Los Angeles County coroner, who said the singer died of acute propofol intoxication.
Conrad Murray, Jackson’s doctor, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to four years in jail.
In addition to real estate, automobiles and intellectual property, the tax court filing takes issue with IRS valuations of a Lloyds of London “contingency non-appearance and cancellation” policy, Jackson’s share of MJJ Ventures Inc. and two trusts and other personal property.
The case is Estate of Michael J. Jackson v. IRS, 17152-13, U.S. Tax Court (Washington).

 

[crillon]

I know that some of our nurses schools here in France- not all of them- do background checks before accepting students (judgements against the student, probably only criminal, but I'm not 100% sure if it's only criminal). Half of the studies, ie 1.5 years are practical trainings in hospitals, nursing homes, etc...

In the U.S., the background checks done on a medical doctor by an insurance company do not include credit checks. What they investigate are matters essential to his/her credentials as a medical doctor: medical school diploma from accredited school, medical specialties, medical board accreditation, credentials to practice in which hospitals, malpractice suits, misconduct--that kind of thing. So, to expect AEG to go above & beyond what other 3rd parties do (who are experts in the health care industry) in vetting physicians seems unfair, doesn't it?

 

[ivy]

some tidbits from today's testimony

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 20m
In order to obtain a medical license, Young said the doctor submits to a fingerprint scan, which goes thru Department of Justice. They also go thru very thorough education background. The State of California does not check financial background of applicants to issue medical licenses, Young said.


Bina showed chart of AEG Process to Check Out People.

Employees:
- Job posted
- Interview and resume
- Verify employability
- Check reference and work history
- Criminal background check is warranted
- Credit check if hired for financial position
- Obligation based on employment relationship


Independent Contractors:
- Previous Working Relationship with AEG Live
or
Known to the Artist
or
Known in the Industry

Independent Contractors:
- Required licenses or permits
- Fully insured
- Indemnification provision
- Obligations laid out in contract

 

[Big Apple2]

re Lee's testimony I understand the same thing as Soundmind, Bonnie Blue and Petrarose : she doesn't say he was asking propofol for a specific date.

Sorry, but the fact that he was asking for Propofol at all is the problem, in my opinion.

Regardless to when he was asking for the Propofol to be used, the problem, as I see it, is that he was asking Nurse Lee at all. I mean, he already had Murray on the dole for his Profolol intake, so why mention it to Nurse Lee at all?

That's the question.

 

[ivy]

Sorry, but the fact that he was asking for Propofol at all is the problem, in my opinion.

Regardless to when he was asking for the Propofol to be used, the problem, as I see it, is that he was asking Nurse Lee at all. I mean, he already had Murray on the dole for his Profolol intake, so why mention it to Nurse Lee at all?

That's the question.

2 answers to that one IMO.

the bad version would be addiction / doctor shopping version in which he would be trying to make sure he has access to multiple sources/doctors for Propofol lined up so he can get it all the time he wants even one doctor stops giving it to him.

the good version would be safety version in which he wanted to get a second person to monitor himself in addition to Murray , and/or he wanted a anesthesiologist administer it and/or he was planning on replacing Murray.

 

[Petrarose]

^I think it was the good version. I think he knew that Muarry was no expert in giving prof, and he wanted someone as a back up or someone more qualified.

So now the estate has to deal with the IRS. I thought this was just a simple audit where they said you are wrong so send us some more money. Now it seems they have to argue this in Washington. This is good for Panish, because it shows Michael's property has greater value than AEG's expert claimed.

 

[Aquarius]

Amending the law suit means she wants to change/add charges?

 

[ivy]

Amending the law suit means she wants to change/add charges?

yes, add a general negligence claim.

I had the information on the case summary thread - http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ummary/page3?p=3885154&viewfull=1#post3885154

 

[crillon]

FYI

Anthony McCartney ? AEG Live plans to play three video depositions tomorrow: Jeffrey Adams, Dr. David Adams and Dr. Stephen Gordon.

Will Ratner testify in court?

 

[ivy]

Will Ratner testify in court?

no, they are working on 3 more deposition videos according to court system. Ratner, Van Valin and Metzger. It seems Van Valin has been finished, Ratner is ongoing and Metzger is filed yesterday.

COMBINED STATEMENT OF DEFENDANTS? DESIGNATIONS, PLAINTIFFS? COUNTER-DESIGNATIONS AND RELATED OBJECTIONS FOR ALLAN METZGER, M.D.

COMBINED STATEMENT OF DEFENDANTS? DESIGNATIONS, PLAINTIFFS? COUNTERDESIGNATIONS AND RELATED OBJECTIONS FOR BARNEY VAN VALIN II, M.D AND ORDERS

COMBINED STATEMENT OF DEFENDANTS? DESIGNATIONS, PLAINTIFFS? COUNTERDESIGNATIONS AND RELATED OBJECTIONS FOR DR. NEIL RATNER

 

[serendipity]

Sorry, but the fact that he was asking for Propofol at all is the problem, in my opinion.

Regardless to when he was asking for the Propofol to be used, the problem, as I see it, is that he was asking Nurse Lee at all. I mean, he already had Murray on the dole for his Profolol intake, so why mention it to Nurse Lee at all?

That's the question.

And this is what the jury will be asking more than likely - he was asking for propofol from another person at the same time Murray was giving it. I don't see the jury over analyzing it like we're doing. We're thinking as fans, but they won't be thinking like that.

 

[Petrarose]

The judge will hear arguments on September 5th, and AEG said they hope to wrap up their case in the beginning of September. It would be such a waste of time that after doing all that, the case is then dismissed. Actually, I will be surprised if the judge will do that good arguments or not.

Did the judge say when she will look at the amendment?

 

[crillon]

Anthony McCartney ‏@mccartneyAP 1m
AEG Live is seeking a dismissal of the case, claiming the plaintiffs haven’t shown enough evidence to send the case to the jury. AEG's motion won't be heard until Sept. 5 so that all the lawyers who need to argue it can be present.

I thought the defense usually asks for a dismissal before they put on their case. And, the judge usually denies it 99% of the time. Are they late in making this request?

 

[ivy]

^^

no they aren't late. as you know Ortega left the country before he can finish his testimony so plaintiffs wasn't rested. then defense case started unofficially. AEG filed this motion the day after Ortega finished testifying - thinking it meant Jacksons rested. But then Panish did not want to rest until sometime last week. and judge is now determining days to hear arguments.

also AEG's case is supposed to end mid september, because starting this week there will be only 2 - 3 days of court per week. After AEG rests there will be rebuttal by Jacksons and closing statements. The jury is not expected to get the case until end of September.

 

[ivy]

Today's testimony summary - http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ummary/page6?p=3891678&viewfull=1#post3891678


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Secondly, I have worked in health care w/ all different settings. “As fair as I know, they do not do credit checks,” Young said. She checked places hiring, saw no reference as credit check as a requirement. “It’s not common, it’s not frequent, in fact it’s very rare,” Young testified about credit check in the healthcare industry. (ABC7)

Doesn't look like Panish challenged this. If only Tygger shared sources for credit checks being done on doctors in workers compensation and such...

 

[jamba]

So,Tygger, are saying that if there is no proof it is done for sport ("without any proof it is done for sport.")

What I am said in reply to that is:

1) I provided some verifiable evidence that there is in fact proof.

2) I suggested that your remark 'done for sport' is an unwarranted dismissal--as the statement re rape was not invented but based on evidence of at least one incident I am familiar with. It would have been better if you had just asked for some evidence of TwinkIEE's claim in the first place.

It would be nice if you would acknowledge that I have provided some facts/information regarding a credible claim of rape by Jermaine, instead of continually ignoring it. The fact that it did not go to trial or result in a conviction does not in any way invalidate the events that Maldonado describes--namely a police report and a police investigation based on an assertion of rape that Jermaine's then-wife Hazel Gordy made.

If you need a conviction in a courtroom as proof of an assertion, then why are you commenting and taking a strong position on this trial as it has not yet been adjudicated? Obviously your definition that 'proof' only comes by a court conviction does not apply here, and your opinions are based on a lesser standard of 'proof' in this case.

 

[crillon]

Today's testimony summary - http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ummary/page6?p=3891678&viewfull=1#post3891678


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Secondly, I have worked in health care w/ all different settings. “As fair as I know, they do not do credit checks,” Young said. She checked places hiring, saw no reference as credit check as a requirement. “It’s not common, it’s not frequent, in fact it’s very rare,” Young testified about credit check in the healthcare industry. (ABC7)

Doesn't look like Panish challenged this. If only Tygger shared sources for credit checks being done on doctors in workers compensation and such...

I've been saying this--credit checks are not part of the vetting for doctors (in the U.S. at least), so why would we expect AEG to do one for Murray. I think it's doubtful Tygger will find any sources because credit checks are not required for workmen's comp docs either.

 

[jamba]

2 answers to that one IMO.

the bad version would be addiction / doctor shopping version in which he would be trying to make sure he has access to multiple sources/doctors for Propofol lined up so he can get it all the time he wants even one doctor stops giving it to him.

the good version would be safety version in which he wanted to get a second person to monitor himself in addition to Murray , and/or he wanted a anesthesiologist administer it and/or he was planning on replacing Murray.

I believe that MJ had Murray ORDER the propofol but that he never intended that Murray woiuld be the one administering it b/c he knew he needed an anesthesiologist,which he had always had before. I also think that at that early date in April, he did not intend to have CM go to London (but if he did, it was not as the only dr.). So his effort with Adsams and nurse Lee, and his converstaion with Metzger, was all to locate a proper anesthesiologist for the tour. At this point, I do not believe he was using the propofol to sleep, just to have it lined up for use when the tour actually started.

However, he turned to use it every night (or almost every night) and have CM administer it, I think, May 8th (that was the first night that CM satyed at Carolwood all night, according to what I read). If CM was administering it for 60 days, then he had to start in late April, early May. Actually, I don't think it was 60 days, but rather a bit less. (If only CM had kept records!) I think the stress was just too much for him so he turned to it way earlier and way more than he ever had before. It wasn't just AEG stress either, as I commented before re AllGood, the family, the lawsuits, the financial stresses, Tohme, you name it.

As far as Lee, she was the FIRST person to mention Diprivan/propofol to the world and it was a bombshell. She went on pratically every TV show there was to talk about it. I mean everywhere!! She came out of the woodwork and the media grabbed her and showcased her.