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It just break my heart to see a family do this to a love one who has pass away.
I hope this doesn't stop the Estate from generate revenue for Michael that would be sad if that happen.
u know what, after today's report and hearing that the jurors groaned, Panish is playing a very dangerous game and it can affect the outcome.
juror sympathize with the witnesses, especially on cross. in a lawsuit jurors think like the lawyers know the big picture, have all the answers so they think witness is at a disadvantage especially during cross. So if a lawyer attacks a witness they might see it as bullying of the witness. Jurors also like to form their opinions and not force an opinion. For example you don't want to say explicitly "you are lying" to a witness, you want to ask a question to show that the witness are saying different things and allow the jurors themselves to come to conclusions. and finally as a lawyer you might want to stay cool, calm , collected so that will show the jurors your confidence. (remember walgren's demeanor).
It's hard to say if these things will even remotely affect the outcome but I'll tell you that Panish is not doing himself any favors.
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Crillon, you share the view of many others in this thread. I simply do not agree. I followed this trial and I have read the testimonies. I do not see the issue of this trial or the testimonies that support it to be particularly confusing, clouded, or complicated. I see truth in it and that is my choice. If others do not, it could be there is a need for clarity and it could be their choice not to see the truth in it. Either approach is fine by me.
Ivy, there are several types of sponsorship. I am not going to devalue the relationship or campaign that occurred between PepsiCo and Michael in 2008 because Briggs decided to devalue Michael throughout his $700K testimony that AEG unwisely paid for in an effort to defend themselves.
Agreed. This is also the reason why he would continue to tour after the 50 dates especially if he was to only make approximately $30M from those 50 dates and he was $400M in debt. It does not matter if it was 186 shows or 260; Michael intended to work after those 50 dates and it seems AEG intended this as well.
^^^ This is spin. Panish rejected Briggs' testimony that Michael would not earn a living because debt would make him unattractive to business partners. Panish showed Michael had one asset that would erase his debt if he was incline to sell and Briggs had to concede to that. Michael was in debt when AEG sought him out for the O2 residency which also negates Briggs' ridiculous, overpriced opinion.
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Ivy, what calculations did Briggs bring to this case???? Briggs said Michael would not make any monies due to his debt and substance abuse; thus, he had no calculations.
Jaydom7, I believe the plaintiffs' lawyers led by Panish have presented a clear, rational, and logical case. I do not see that with the defense. The defense allowed Michael's previous security chief to testify to a story about Michael's children calling 911 after his collapse despite the fact that his collapse cannot be connected to a drug-related cause. The defense allowed time to be wasted telling this story in the hopes that at least one juror will be confused enough to connect this 2001-2002 incident to a secretive, substance abusive Michael of 2009. I am not partial to the defense so my view of the plaintiffs' lawyers may not have value for some.
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With the different conversation's about how insecure Michael Jackson felt about his physical looks, I was reminded of the movie, "The Jacksons: An American Dream"
...about the 33 minute mark, Michael is talking to his mother, Katherine Jackson, about how ugly he is. That the fan's believe him to be ugly, right in front of him - yuk! This is what drove Michael to seek way's to make his appearance more appealing. He did start seeing Arnold Klein for dermatological procedures, up till the day he died. Michael visited a plastic surgeon to change his nose, which he thought was too wide. This all added to Michael's insecurities of how the world viewed him. He did not want to give the appearance of ever having a fan look at him and say, yuk. Maybe this added to his stress level, his anxiety, in using propofol. He was going out on stage, once again, to show he was the best and I'm sure his anxiety of looking handsome worried him. He spent a lot of time at Dr. Arnold Klein's office and a lot of money!
...about the 33 minute mark, Michael is talking to his mother, Katherine Jackson, about how ugly he is. That the fan's believe him to be ugly, right in front of him - yuk! This is what drove Michael to seek way's to make his appearance more appealing. He did start seeing Arnold Klein for dermatological procedures, up till the day he died. Michael visited a plastic surgeon to change his nose, which he thought was too wide. This all added to Michael's insecurities of how the world viewed him. He did not want to give the appearance of ever having a fan look at him and say, yuk. Maybe this added to his stress level, his anxiety, in using propofol. He was going out on stage, once again, to show he was the best and I'm sure his anxiety of looking handsome worried him. He spent a lot of time at Dr. Arnold Klein's office and a lot of money!
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Makes sense. Another thing is the IRS said that our tax returns are investigated/audited all the time; it is just that the individuals do not know about it. That is why they will catch errors and you get back less or more than you thought you would, or they ask you for some documentation. I have been asked to send in documents before, such as proof that my rent was a specific amount. So, not all investigations by the IRS is a negative thing. (By the way Americans, I found out the IRS has a list of what they believe the rent is for each area of the US. Guess what--it is much, much, lower than the reality. That's the government for you.)
How is it rational for the plaintiff experts to testify to these 2 things:
1) MJ would have been dead within a week under Murray's treatment even if he had not died on the 25th and
2) he would have gone on to earn 1.5 billiion dollars until age 66????
Briggs is making no future earnings "calculations" b/c he is saying that doing so is SPECULATIVE--and he is right!
IMO MJ never planned or intended to sell his catalogue.
MJ "intended to work" after the 50 dates but NOT in touring. However, he also apparently intended to keep taking propofol with Murray administering it. These were, although he was not aware of it, mutually exclusive intentions.
1) MJ would have been dead within a week under Murray's treatment even if he had not died on the 25th and
2) he would have gone on to earn 1.5 billiion dollars until age 66????
Briggs is making no future earnings "calculations" b/c he is saying that doing so is SPECULATIVE--and he is right!
IMO MJ never planned or intended to sell his catalogue.
MJ "intended to work" after the 50 dates but NOT in touring. However, he also apparently intended to keep taking propofol with Murray administering it. These were, although he was not aware of it, mutually exclusive intentions.
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It occured to me that plaintiffs are putting much more effort trying to prove how much MJ would have earned (in case they win and damages would high) than they try to prove AEG hired CM.
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Panish: Who put the bullets in the gun?
Briggs: I believe he said it wasn't an appropriate question.
Panish: The witness wants to argue with me and not answer the quesitons.
Judge: He's answering the questions.
Tactics from Panish, and foolish one too.
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Judge: Mr. Panish, why are you gesturing me?
Panish: Ms. Strong is making faces at me, I didn't want to say anything.
Jurors groaned...
Strong: There has been many misrepresentations against me and my colleagues.
Judge: I don't think making faces is something I should even have to acknowledge it. Just ignore it.
Panish concluded his cross examination
Jurors can see Strong's face whether she was making faces at Panish, and if they don't see her doing it, they are not going to like Panish.
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LaPerruque: I was in my room, received phone call from hotel security that someone had called 911 from MJ's hotel room, like young children.
LaPerruque: I grabbed Mr. Jackson's keys and found Prince and Paris crying. They were crying saying they couldn't wake up daddy.
LaPerruque: I was able to go into the room, had called security partner to meet at the room as well to take the two children to nanny's room
LaPerruque: I found Mr. Jackson in the hallway in the suite proned, unconscious.
LaPerruque: I had to check for pulse, turned him over, shook him, ultimately was breathing. I was able to wake him up, took him to his room.
Putnam: Did you have to do mouth-to-mouth?
LaPerruque: I did
P: Did you see any drugs?
LP: No
P: Alcohol?
LP: Not that I recall
This is just heartbreaking for his kids to find their father unconscious and not being able to wake him up
I quess this is what defense meant when they said MJ could have happened anytime before the trial started, and they had MJ security man to testify for it.
Waiting for media news about this, and they will be salivating with it the whole weekend.
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Putnam: Did you speak with anyone about that incident before?
LaPerruque: No
P: Did you ever consider letting the tabloids know?
LP: No
Is this a lie as? Didn't he talk about this on Access H show, or did we hear about it from Ivy's deposition?
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LaPerruque remembers in 2001 Jackson family attempting an intervention. MJ asked him to come up to the ranch right away.
LaPerruque: He told me that his family would be coming over to the rancho to speak with him and asked me to interface with his relatives.
"It was requested by Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said.
Putnam: He wanted to make sure his family members didn't come thru?
LaPerruque: Yes
LaPerruque: I was at the front gate, saw private helicopter flying very low over Neverland. Randy Jackson was in the helicopter.
"He demanded to see Michael," LaPerruque recalled. "I told him that MJ said he didn't want to see any of his family members at the time."
I'm sorry but Randy is just too hilarious. He does nothing what normal people would do. What is wrong to taking a car and driving in? Did he think that if he arrives with car, MJ won't let him in, but if he comes on helicopter, he is allowed to see MJ:doh:
Too funny that they big mouths are going to sink their own case against AEG. AEG is doing exactly what they said in their opening statements.
"Putnam says Michael even withdrew from his own family and even his family did not know what was going on at that time. Putnam says at various times Jacksons tried to do interventions but they failed. He says Michael was an addict and no matter how much you want to help an addict you can’t help them unless they want to help themselves. Putnam says the jury will hear Jacksons testify that Michael told them he was fine and they too thought it was true."
I don't know if jurors know the real reason MJ not wanting to see his family. it wasn't like MJ withdraw from his family because he wanted to hide his addiction from family, but he just didn't want to see or hear them begging him to do thing he didn't want to do.
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He stopped in the beginning of 2008. Work began in August of 2007, got paid in September and didn't get paid anymore until 2008.
LaPerruque spoke with MJ. "He said he was very embarrassed not being able to pay me, he said he was going to make it right, apologized."
This was in November 2007. He still didn't get paid.
Didn't security told to Kai C when she wasn't being paid, that not to mentioned to MJ?
MJ wasn't able to pay his staff, but KJ said MJ didn't have money problems and she was happy camper as long as she got her support.
Btw, LaParraque mentioned that kids nanny was traveling with them. I thought that seemingly 2001-2004 was bad time for MJ (in regards drugs). I see the only side who doesn't want to see Grace on stand is plaintiffs. Makes me wonder the reason of her disappearance, especially when she disappeared after what happened to Paris?
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Panish: Who put the bullets in the gun?
Briggs: I believe he said it wasn't an appropriate question.
Panish: The witness wants to argue with me and not answer the quesitons.
Judge: He's answering the questions.
Tactics from Panish, and foolish one too.
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Judge: Mr. Panish, why are you gesturing me?
Panish: Ms. Strong is making faces at me, I didn't want to say anything.
Jurors groaned...
Strong: There has been many misrepresentations against me and my colleagues.
Judge: I don't think making faces is something I should even have to acknowledge it. Just ignore it.
Panish concluded his cross examination
Jurors can see Strong's face whether she was making faces at Panish, and if they don't see her doing it, they are not going to like Panish.
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LaPerruque: I was in my room, received phone call from hotel security that someone had called 911 from MJ's hotel room, like young children.
LaPerruque: I grabbed Mr. Jackson's keys and found Prince and Paris crying. They were crying saying they couldn't wake up daddy.
LaPerruque: I was able to go into the room, had called security partner to meet at the room as well to take the two children to nanny's room
LaPerruque: I found Mr. Jackson in the hallway in the suite proned, unconscious.
LaPerruque: I had to check for pulse, turned him over, shook him, ultimately was breathing. I was able to wake him up, took him to his room.
Putnam: Did you have to do mouth-to-mouth?
LaPerruque: I did
P: Did you see any drugs?
LP: No
P: Alcohol?
LP: Not that I recall
This is just heartbreaking for his kids to find their father unconscious and not being able to wake him up
I quess this is what defense meant when they said MJ could have happened anytime before the trial started, and they had MJ security man to testify for it.
Waiting for media news about this, and they will be salivating with it the whole weekend.
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Putnam: Did you speak with anyone about that incident before?
LaPerruque: No
P: Did you ever consider letting the tabloids know?
LP: No
Is this a lie as? Didn't he talk about this on Access H show, or did we hear about it from Ivy's deposition?
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LaPerruque remembers in 2001 Jackson family attempting an intervention. MJ asked him to come up to the ranch right away.
LaPerruque: He told me that his family would be coming over to the rancho to speak with him and asked me to interface with his relatives.
"It was requested by Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said.
Putnam: He wanted to make sure his family members didn't come thru?
LaPerruque: Yes
LaPerruque: I was at the front gate, saw private helicopter flying very low over Neverland. Randy Jackson was in the helicopter.
"He demanded to see Michael," LaPerruque recalled. "I told him that MJ said he didn't want to see any of his family members at the time."
I'm sorry but Randy is just too hilarious. He does nothing what normal people would do. What is wrong to taking a car and driving in? Did he think that if he arrives with car, MJ won't let him in, but if he comes on helicopter, he is allowed to see MJ:doh:
Too funny that they big mouths are going to sink their own case against AEG. AEG is doing exactly what they said in their opening statements.
"Putnam says Michael even withdrew from his own family and even his family did not know what was going on at that time. Putnam says at various times Jacksons tried to do interventions but they failed. He says Michael was an addict and no matter how much you want to help an addict you can’t help them unless they want to help themselves. Putnam says the jury will hear Jacksons testify that Michael told them he was fine and they too thought it was true."
I don't know if jurors know the real reason MJ not wanting to see his family. it wasn't like MJ withdraw from his family because he wanted to hide his addiction from family, but he just didn't want to see or hear them begging him to do thing he didn't want to do.
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He stopped in the beginning of 2008. Work began in August of 2007, got paid in September and didn't get paid anymore until 2008.
LaPerruque spoke with MJ. "He said he was very embarrassed not being able to pay me, he said he was going to make it right, apologized."
This was in November 2007. He still didn't get paid.
Didn't security told to Kai C when she wasn't being paid, that not to mentioned to MJ?
MJ wasn't able to pay his staff, but KJ said MJ didn't have money problems and she was happy camper as long as she got her support.
Btw, LaParraque mentioned that kids nanny was traveling with them. I thought that seemingly 2001-2004 was bad time for MJ (in regards drugs). I see the only side who doesn't want to see Grace on stand is plaintiffs. Makes me wonder the reason of her disappearance, especially when she disappeared after what happened to Paris?
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The issue with the payment of the loans is important b/c due to MJ's status as a high-risk person, from the bank's perspective, his loans had very high interest rates--I believe over 10% or around there, 9.4%. His loan payments on the interest alone were huge and he was not able to meet them, which is why he was in default in various ways (as in the Neverland situation) and was facing a big balloon payment in late 09. The estate was able to negotiate the interest rates down to 4% o 4.5%.
The interest rates were kiling MJ and he would have to take out another loan to meet the previous loans, all while pilling on more interest rate and fees. This need to be considered in factoring in his financial picture. It's really not what you owe as much as what are your loan payments, and that is based on interest rate. Look at CC rates when you use the cash payment option--23% or more--this is outrageous. Look at a cc bill where it estimates how much interest you will pay if you only pay the minimum each month. That tells you you will pay 3 or 4 times more over time for the loan amount due to paying off your loans over time, and with a high interest rate it gets worse.
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What is scary is if the family loses, the estate has to pay for all the expense AEG went through and some of these experts are extremely expensive. Michael will pay millions for this case.
Bubs about the bodyguard testimony: he claims he did not see drugs or alcohol, so was Michael at some dr's office before that and got some medication to make him faint, or did he faint for reasons that are non-drug related?
PS: Just looked at the testimony and it seems that situation may not have been drug related, but then we are not getting information about why dr's gave Michael specific drugs. I know AEG is not interested, since they just want to show he used the drugs.
Did Michael pay his staff himself, or was someone else supposed to do so?
Bubs about the bodyguard testimony: he claims he did not see drugs or alcohol, so was Michael at some dr's office before that and got some medication to make him faint, or did he faint for reasons that are non-drug related?
PS: Just looked at the testimony and it seems that situation may not have been drug related, but then we are not getting information about why dr's gave Michael specific drugs. I know AEG is not interested, since they just want to show he used the drugs.
Did Michael pay his staff himself, or was someone else supposed to do so?
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Randy can take a job and start paying for what he started.
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I don't undestand what is going on with the conflict of interest issue with the estate and Briggs. Briggs said his firm got a clearance from the estate and then CNN claims that the estate lawyers said they did not give Briggs a clearance. Is Briggs lying? Then Duke says:
Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's estate never gave an expert it hired permission to help AEG Live defend against the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother and children, the estate's top lawyer said Thursday.
The revelation raised questioned about the testimony of entertainment industry consultant Eric Briggs, who was hired by AEG Live to challenge the Jacksons' expert opinions concerning damages the concert promoter might owe if found liable in the singer's death.
The good thing I am getting from this testimony, if it is true, is that the catalog is valued more than I thought.
The security officer also claimed that Michael would call him in the night mumbling, so where would Michael get something to make him mumble, if he did not have drugs and alcohol around him, and the security would be the one to call a dr? Some things are not clear. Is it that the security let a dr in to give Michael a drug; Michel went to sleep and woke up in the night; he woke up mumbling and called the security; then security talks to him because he is lonely?
So many people claim Michael talked to them because he was lonely. This is sad, for someone to be burned by people so many times that it led to him unable to trust many people. I am wondering now that if Michael had a large group of friends he could trust, or a wonderful significant other who cared about him, if he would sleep better & then use less drugs for sleep. Now I am beginning to think that more issues affected his sleeplessness in the night than touring, since the guard began working in 04, so it seems the allegations & so-called friends not backing him up affected him much deeper than I thought. It seemed to me he needed company and being able to associate more with humans in close nurturing relationship. It is so sad that in the middle of the night you can't call one of your many siblings to chat with, or your best friend.
Los Angeles (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's estate never gave an expert it hired permission to help AEG Live defend against the wrongful death lawsuit filed by Jackson's mother and children, the estate's top lawyer said Thursday.
The revelation raised questioned about the testimony of entertainment industry consultant Eric Briggs, who was hired by AEG Live to challenge the Jacksons' expert opinions concerning damages the concert promoter might owe if found liable in the singer's death.
The good thing I am getting from this testimony, if it is true, is that the catalog is valued more than I thought.
The security officer also claimed that Michael would call him in the night mumbling, so where would Michael get something to make him mumble, if he did not have drugs and alcohol around him, and the security would be the one to call a dr? Some things are not clear. Is it that the security let a dr in to give Michael a drug; Michel went to sleep and woke up in the night; he woke up mumbling and called the security; then security talks to him because he is lonely?
So many people claim Michael talked to them because he was lonely. This is sad, for someone to be burned by people so many times that it led to him unable to trust many people. I am wondering now that if Michael had a large group of friends he could trust, or a wonderful significant other who cared about him, if he would sleep better & then use less drugs for sleep. Now I am beginning to think that more issues affected his sleeplessness in the night than touring, since the guard began working in 04, so it seems the allegations & so-called friends not backing him up affected him much deeper than I thought. It seemed to me he needed company and being able to associate more with humans in close nurturing relationship. It is so sad that in the middle of the night you can't call one of your many siblings to chat with, or your best friend.
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So Briggs estimated the catalogue to be worth around $400 million. The IRS found it to be low thats why they are doing an investigation. Didnt Briggs say MJ did not have an asset worth more than $200 million??? But when the judge orders him to answer he reportedly said its worth around the same level as MJs debts. I believe there were reports everywere that MJs debts were more than $200 million. So Briggs just acted as a damn fool.
"Despite the conflict, the judge ordered Briggs to answer questions posed by Katherine Jackson's lawyers about the music catalog. He said although his valuation placed Jackson's interest in the catalog at about the same level as Jackson's debt at the time of his death -- which he said was $400 million -- the IRS challenged it as low."
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/01/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter
"Despite the conflict, the judge ordered Briggs to answer questions posed by Katherine Jackson's lawyers about the music catalog. He said although his valuation placed Jackson's interest in the catalog at about the same level as Jackson's debt at the time of his death -- which he said was $400 million -- the IRS challenged it as low."
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/01/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter
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^^
Ok but did he lie or is he one of those witness that tried to downplay MJs power? To say MJ did not have assets worth more than $200 million is a complete lie. And then forced to say its worth about the same amount as MJs debt which was reported to be $400 million and even the IRS dont believe that number is correct.
How can he say the most powerful and desirable catalogue that exist not be worth more than $200 million as he claimed first? These paid experts are laughable.
Ok but did he lie or is he one of those witness that tried to downplay MJs power?
To say MJ did not have assets worth more than $200 million is a complete lie. And then forced to say its worth about the same amount as MJs debt which was reported to be $400 million and even the IRS dont believe that number is correct.How can he say the most powerful and desirable catalogue that exist not be worth more than $200 million as he claimed first? These paid experts are laughable.
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It was so good to see an ethical expert like Shaffer, but some experts will say anything if they are paid over 100,000. That is why Panish was going on about how much that guy was paid. Anyway Panish experts also were paid a lot of money, but it seems to me this AEG's expert was paid the most so far? Briggs is like all the tabloids who undervalue what Michael owns.
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he was mumbling probably due to lack of sleep . you remember what Casico mom said about him visiting them ; staying at there home for months , she said he ate and slept well . I do believe what you mentioned added significantly to his insomnia
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LaParraque did testify that usually when they travelled,MJ asked him to find hotel doctor, so it could be that hotel docs gave something to MJ to take before he goes to sleep, or it could be one of these doctors that travelled with them gave something for sleep, or it could be totally unrelated to drugs.
I did little search and found out that MJ with kids went to Florida Disney world in Dec 1 2002,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPOCkKeejQQ
(is that bodyguard in dark jacket LaParraque?)
could this be the time when that fainting happened as boduguard couldn't remember was it 2001 or 2002?
I checked Dr F testimony about narcan implant, he testified this:
26 Nov 02 -- second procedure of Naltrexone
27 Nov 02 -- no nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. Abdomen implant well placed Naltrexone implant: continue current treatment, patient sober x 20 days
29 Nov 02 -- feels very good, sleeping well. No sign of opiate withdrawal.
Dr. Farshchian: My practice is completely orthopedic regeneration. He said he treats arthritis and orthopedic conditions.
02 Dec 02 -- feels very good, sleeping well Patient sober, now going over the 12 steps with him
I wonder if Dr F was there that time? He got narcan implant 27th Nov, and if that fainting happened on 2nd Dec?
I would be nice if they give a dates when they testify about something:-(
That bodyguard worked for Mike from 2001-2004, so what he says could be true that he saw MJ being on something at times, as 2001 and 2002 was the time when MJ had the problem and got that implant to help him.
Have to do more search about 2001.
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I don't think MJ paid for staff. Raimone B was supposed to do it, and it wouldn't surprise me if she didn't take care of staff salaries, as didn't didn't take care of many other thing either, like tax returns.
This bit is so sad:
"I knew he had unusual sleep patterns," LaPerruque said. "I think he was just lonely and wanted somebody to talk to."
I have read many people saying the same thing. Poor MJ, he would rather be alone and talk to strangers than have any contact on his family. I hope they feel sting in their hearts when they realise that they never listened what MJ was saying, they were always pushing MJ to do something for them. If they had stopped treating MJ like atm and person who does everything for them, perhaps their relationship would have been better.
It's morning here
I'm 8 hours ahead (in Irl) of LA time
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I think so.
I saw Grace and Frank were with MJ at DW
I didn't recognise A family faces on that video, but if you say there were around MJ that time, who honestly can blame MJ if he was taking something to block out those critters?
As non native english speaker, I had to check that I use word critter in appropriate context, and I did.
(The lowest most disgusting form of a human being possible. Also just an incredibly massive loser.)
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LaPerruque remembers in 2001 Jackson family attempting an intervention. MJ asked him to come up to the ranch right away.
LaPerruque: He told me that his family would be coming over to the rancho to speak with him and asked me to interface with his relatives.
"It was requested by Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said.
Putnam: He wanted to make sure his family members didn't come thru?
LaPerruque: Yes
LaPerruque: I was at the front gate, saw private helicopter flying very low over Neverland. Randy Jackson was in the helicopter.
"He demanded to see Michael," LaPerruque recalled. "I told him that MJ said he didn't want to see any of his family members at the time."
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I looked MJJ timeline for 2002, and there was this entry:
May :
Michael is reunited with his sister LaToya for the first time since 1988 during a family intervention at Neverland. He introduces Blanket to the family.
2 Neverland "interventions" or LaParraque doesn't remember the year? Although what he says, makes it sound like there could have been 2 as 2001 MJ didn't let them in, but 2002 he did as he talked to KJ, Well thats what she testified.
Sounds like MJJ timeline is correct as Blanket was born Feb 2002.
Any thoughts or more information of this?
LaPerruque: He told me that his family would be coming over to the rancho to speak with him and asked me to interface with his relatives.
"It was requested by Mr. Jackson," LaPerruque said.
Putnam: He wanted to make sure his family members didn't come thru?
LaPerruque: Yes
LaPerruque: I was at the front gate, saw private helicopter flying very low over Neverland. Randy Jackson was in the helicopter.
"He demanded to see Michael," LaPerruque recalled. "I told him that MJ said he didn't want to see any of his family members at the time."
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I looked MJJ timeline for 2002, and there was this entry:
May :
Michael is reunited with his sister LaToya for the first time since 1988 during a family intervention at Neverland. He introduces Blanket to the family.
2 Neverland "interventions" or LaParraque doesn't remember the year? Although what he says, makes it sound like there could have been 2 as 2001 MJ didn't let them in, but 2002 he did as he talked to KJ, Well thats what she testified.
Sounds like MJJ timeline is correct as Blanket was born Feb 2002.
Any thoughts or more information of this?
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He said that MJ fainted in Florida Disney World hotel sometime 2001 or 2002. I think it is safe to assume that he went to Disney world as he stayed in the hotel there. Then I did Google seach with timeline 2001-2002, and the only thing I got was that MJ was in Disney World with kids was Dec 2002. It was my assumption that what Dr F testified and what this bodyguard testified collided (not sure if this is correct word) somehow. I haven't been able to find anything MJ being Disney world in 2001, but 2002 timing makes sense thou.
Btw, searcing videos of MJ in Disney world is great fun. He is so funny, and crowd went crazy everytime when they saw him. MJ becomes an attraction inside of the attraction
I spent 7 minutes watching utube video of MJ going to restroom, and coming out 7 minutes later, lol. I wouldn't spent 7 minutes of my life watching restroom door for anyone else than for MJ
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Petrarose;3880258 said:
someone on facebook is angry and wrote that they shouldn´t make this incident at the hotel about drugs since it wasn´t related to Michael taking pain medicine. That Michael would faint very easy and did it often because of anemia and low blood pressure. If he was sitting down on the floor and got up to fast he would just not get that black thing in front of your eyes as most people get, he would actually faint.
And I don´t get thing with slurred speech and all the "oh how terrible". My friends Mom takes strong pain medicine and sometimes if she doesn´t fall asleep and get the bright idea to call someone she doesn´t speak a word that you can understand. I´m not in denial or anything but they make it sound like he took so much drugs to get high and then started to call people and being so out of it because he got a fix.
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You are right Virre, it is possibility that MJ fainting was result of something else other than medicines.
It could be that he might have had reaction to narcan implant (if my info proves to be right about the timeline), could be a reaction if he took sleep medicine that reacted with that implant, or it could be just plain fainting lack of food, anemia or blood pressure.It could be that hotel doctor (he testified about hotel docs) gave him something that didn't suit to him and reacted
Jury just don't know it. They are presented a testimony, in which bodyguards tells the situation as he saw it at the time, and his testimony supports AEG's agenda portraying MJ as an addict that took pills and put himself in the danger.
About that "oh so terrible". Maybe people were thinking of kids, how terrible it was for kids? Any kids who faces this situation, it is worth of few "oh so terrible".
LaPerruque: I was in my room, received phone call from hotel security that someone had called 911 from MJ's hotel room, like young children. I grabbed Mr. Jackson's keys and found Prince and Paris crying. They were crying saying they couldn't wake up daddy.
When I think about situation when they are trying to wake up MJ and then started crying, called 911 and possible thought their father was ...? The fact is, it was more than terrible for kids.
It could be that he might have had reaction to narcan implant (if my info proves to be right about the timeline), could be a reaction if he took sleep medicine that reacted with that implant, or it could be just plain fainting lack of food, anemia or blood pressure.It could be that hotel doctor (he testified about hotel docs) gave him something that didn't suit to him and reacted
Jury just don't know it. They are presented a testimony, in which bodyguards tells the situation as he saw it at the time, and his testimony supports AEG's agenda portraying MJ as an addict that took pills and put himself in the danger.
About that "oh so terrible". Maybe people were thinking of kids, how terrible it was for kids? Any kids who faces this situation, it is worth of few "oh so terrible".
LaPerruque: I was in my room, received phone call from hotel security that someone had called 911 from MJ's hotel room, like young children. I grabbed Mr. Jackson's keys and found Prince and Paris crying. They were crying saying they couldn't wake up daddy.
When I think about situation when they are trying to wake up MJ and then started crying, called 911 and possible thought their father was ...? The fact is, it was more than terrible for kids.
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The bodyguard clearly said he did not see drugs or alcohol , the paramedica came and found him fine. Michael Jackson was a human being who could have fainted like all human beings do , the jury must understand that unless they already believe he was subhuman
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so if there were no drugs around and the paramedics were called and he was fine, what was the purpose.. LePerreque testified that there were no drugs around.. The kids were smart enough to call 911 but Murray didn't and he was a medical doctor.
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As I would much rather think that Michael fainted it pains me to ask why he would need mouth to mouth? Also if someone faints are they really unconcious for so long, kids can't wake him, call 911, hotel security wakes bodyguard, bodyguard gets there. I don't know much about fainting but I thought you weren't out for long. I hate typing all this - urrghh I hate this trial.
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