Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[#MJforever57]

Yes, I should have said part of Klein's job. It seems he was there , so if he knew there could have been an impact on anesthesia, he should have made sure Fournier was aware. There is a reason why Fournier was more angry at Klein than at Michael, and a reason why Klein apologised.

I don't think there's doctor-patient privilege among doctors / healthcare professionals treating the same patient - that's common sense. We have seen letters among doctors about Michael , in which they informed each other of treatments , pathologies, etc.. Otherwise doctors would not be able to talk to nurses, etc.. a patient can not explain things the way a doctor would.

I would add, it's Fournier's job to be clear, because you are right in saying that that was his responsability to conduct the pre anesthesia consultation. But maybe that's me and my experience in hopsitals : you suppose the patient is not a medical professional , you need to be clear and make sure the patient has understood. You don't usually blame the patient, unless you have been very clear.

So these miscommunications happen, though I can understand his frustration..


Other examples : some of Murray's "mistakes" were to lie to the parmadics and ER doctors : at that moment, there was no doctor-patient priviledge, he was supposed to give as much as info as necessary. That's also one of the reasons there are medical records : so that other healthcare professionals, such as nurses or doctors, can refer to it.



As for a jury's perspective , I am also interested in this trial because, whether we like it or not, it's happening, and it brings out facts. So jury perspective is one thing, it's interesting, but it's also interesting for me to put the info we're getting in perspective with the facts that we already know, even if theu jury doesn't have this info, it helps to find out what is true or not.
But from their perspective, i think they are going to wonder why AEG is not blaming Murray, and blame the victim instead, it's a dangerous path, IMO.
Same thing for rehearsals : it's understandable that Phillips wanted Michael to rehearse even though the contract did not mention it... but ... even if he was sick ?

I don't think Fournier's testimony did much harm to Michael, besides the obvious violation of privacy. He was not secretive and lying. The number of botox injections might be surprising, but I guess it will be explained at some point that some of them were to treat excessive perspiration, and the jury probably already knows about plastic surgery. The rest (burn, accidents..) were already explained.
As Petrarose said, it's extremely weird to do procedures just to ...sleep. It doesn't make sense.

As for asking propofol to sleep, I'm very curious to know why he did that. Was he trying to stay away from addictive medication ?

Your post it what i have felt for the longest like you said no doctor-patient priviledge was there it was Murray job to tell the paramedics what happen to Michael and give as much infor he can give and he lie by not telling them and you are right that why we have medicals records.


In the bold parts.


I never understood why Michael had to do this to his body it was sad to see this but you know with his father telling him he look ugly he had a big nose it really hurt Michael.

It is so sad that Michael had to go this way just to get some sleep.

 

[Lisha]

same here. at the end of the day Michael stopped breathing twice, it's lucky that Fournier is a professional and was properly monitoring him and was able to revive him but anyone would be frustrated when they found out there was a piece of relevant information that wasn't given to them and that might have caused the issue in the first place.

Yes, I agree, that would certainly be understandable frustration.

 

[PrɛttyღBµʈʈɇrƒℓу]

Of the testimony of the nurse, is possible to think what lacked Michael was more ethical by the health experts that arose in his life. Apparently, this nurse was ethical, its antithesis (Murray) eventually finished with Michael's life. I think the queue before him of the irresponsible doctors is huge. For me, Klein is a major one.

Already of the testimony of Dr. Faschian is comforting and painful to know that Michael wanted to undergo a serious treatment to control the dependency, by their children. It is sad to realize that what he feared most in fact happened.

 

[ivy]

Michael Jackson didn't want to end up like Elvis, doctor says

By Jeff Gottlieb
July 26, 2013, 12:16 p.m.
In a video played for jurors Friday, a Santa Barbara County doctor said the pop singer once told him he wanted to stop using pain medication because “I don’t want to end up like my father-in-law” Elvis Presley.

Dr. Scott Saunders said he treated Jackson from 1998 through 2003, his first contact coming when the singer asked if he made house calls. Saunders said he visited Jackson at Neverland Ranch and treated him for an upper respiratory infection.

Saunders' video deposition was played in court Friday during the ongoing wrongful-death case in which Jackson’s mother and his three children claim that entertainment giant AEG Live is complicit is Jackson’s 2009 death. Jackson died as he was preparing for the anticipated “This Is It” tour, which AEG Live was producing and bankrolling.


Saunders said he and Jackson eventually became friends.

“He was rather lonely and didn’t have anyone he could trust,” Saunders testified. And so he would call me and I would go over."

When Saunders would tell Jackson he had to go home to his family, the singer would try to persuade him to stay, the doctor said.

The doctor said Jackson told him “he had a very difficult childhood” and had never had an opportunity to be a child, though he did recount “running around hotels with Donny Osmond, that kind of thing.”

Jackson and his children would show up unannounced at the doctor's house in Solvang, Saunders testified. A driver would bring him, he said, and Jackson would just knock on the door.

"Were you surprised when he got there," Saunders was asked.

"Yes," he replied.

Jackson, he said, also gave the doctor's children an Xbox video game player as a Christmas present.

Presley, who was Jackson’s father-in-law, died of a heart attack in 1977.

 

[marebear]

To me Michael using propofol wasn't because he was some crazy addict but he was so desperate to get some sleep. What I see and read from things that people who actually talked with Michael and saw him he did everything he could to avoid being dependant on anything. He knew he had to take certain things because of issues with his burns and his vitiligo. I actually think he deserves more credit than people are willing to give him because both sides are trying to win a case and are throwing him under the bus.

 

[Soundmind]

To me Michael using propofol wasn't because he was some crazy addict but he was so desperate to get some sleep. What I see and read from things that people who actually talked with Michael and saw him he did everything he could to avoid being dependant on anything. He knew he had to take certain things because of issues with his burns and his vitiligo. I actually think he deserves more credit than people are willing to give him because both sides are trying to win a case and are throwing him under the bus.

I love you

 

[elapentela]

The people who needed to know knew , he told them . AEG portrayed him as someone who carried a shameful scheme someone who was adamant to deceieve everyone ( they did say he decieved everyone to get his drugs ) . "He did not tell Karen Faye " like he needed to tell her , he did not tell his kids , like anyone tell kids everything especially MJ, "he did not tell his bodyguards " seriously ?

He should not have told anyone but his medical advisors and he told them , if one of them told him it was not appropriate , others said it was .

They saw his health deteriorating , they did nothing but increase the pressure on him , he was not a kid for sure , but they were everything but responsible or compassionate . Katherine's one hell of a greedy woman , does not mean they should not be held responsible for what they created from day one .

The more they attack the victim the more sympathy the jury would feel toward him and his kids . I will never defend or find excuses for anyone who contributed to his death . I was against this lawsuit , I'm still against it , for MJ's own sake , still AEG are guilty as hell based on their own words

AEG is not the one who came to MJ. Michael Jackson was an adult who made his own decisions. I wish every employer would care as much as AEG cared. I don't think any other artist got the opportunity and privileges Michael got with AEG deal. If you and Jacksons claim AEG pressed him too much so it's mean you and Jacksons have no idea about work ethics and responsibilities to fulfill the contracts. AEG executives are not the doctors, they opinions did as they should depend on the opinion of the professional, in this case highly educated doctor. Anyway before Michael death no one had any problems with his health.

I would like to add something you may not be aware of. You are repeating after Jacksons allegations that AEG treated Michael badly. I will tell you that IMO him dealing with AEG was nothing in compare with the crap he got behind the scenes from his family during Victory tour. He felt humiliated to the point that he refused to be in the same room with his brothers and father except the show time. He made DiLeo to follow his directions regarding everything what had to be done so he would avoid any interactions with other Jacksons for several months. I had an opportunity to witness this embarrassing situation with my own eyes and ears. I really wish this story would be told in the court one day. Unfortunately even if the Victory tour issues were the subjects of the court proceeding already it never was made public as this trial. I just hope that DiLeo all tell book will be publish one day and may be he will tell more what it was like for MJ to deal with the Jackson clan behind the scenes.

 

[Soundmind]

AEG is not the one who came to MJ. Michael Jackson was an adult who made his own decisions. I wish every employer would care as much as AEG cared. I don't think any other artist got the opportunity and privileges Michael got with AEG deal. If you and Jacksons claim AEG pressed him too much so it's mean you and Jacksons have no idea about work ethics and responsibilities to fulfill the contracts. AEG executives are not the doctors, they opinions did as they should depend on the opinion of the professional, in this case highly educated doctor. Anyway before Michael death no one had any problems with his health.

I would like to add something you may not be aware of. You are repeating after Jacksons allegations that AEG treated Michael badly. I will tell you that IMO him dealing with AEG was nothing in compare with the crap he got behind the scenes from his family during Victory tour. He felt humiliated to the point that he refused to be in the same room with his brothers and father except the show time. He made DiLeo to follow his directions regarding everything what had to be done so he would avoid any interactions with other Jacksons for several months. I had an opportunity to witness this embarrassing situation with my own eyes and ears. I really wish this story would be told in the court one day. Unfortunately even if the Victory tour issues were the subjects of the court proceeding already it never was made public as this trial. I just hope that DiLeo all tell book will be publish one day and may be he will tell more what it was like for MJ to deal with the Jackson clan behind the scenes.

I'm a proud Jackson$ hater by the way , so please don't write you and the Jacksons , I feel humiliated to be addressed with the bloodsucking backstabbing leeches .

AEG own experts are testifying all the numbers they talked about were exaggerated , which means were lies . In other words they lied to him about the numbers he was going to get in order to get his signature on the contract . Sorry MJ did not approach them . That's not true , Tohme is shady as hell . We know they were the ones trying to convince him to sign the contract not the opposite.

Why would he approach them in 2007 if he was not ready ?

 

[jamba]

I agree with you 1oo% and above the same thing is happening to AEG and bringing up these Doctors to the stand one after another is a waste of time for what to tell us about Michael's drugs use we know this. Like one post said after both side are done the Judge will have to comeback and remind thr jury of the facts in this case.

What is surprising to me and what I did not know before, is that MJ was getting propofol for procedures when it seemingly was not the usual drug used for that procedure--I can see with whatever they were doing around the eyes--he had to be out b/c he had to be completely still, but for regular injections of fillers, botox, etc. propofol is not commonly used (as far as I know and as far as was testified). So in that respect, the nurse's testimony re 25 prior occasions where MJ received propofol is new to me.

So does this mean MJ used both demerol and propofol (sometimes one, sometimes the other) for such cosmetic procedures?

 

[Soundmind]

Presley, who was Jackson’s father-in-law, died of a heart attack in 1977.

yea, sure :smilerolleyes:

 

[Justthefacts]

Well he did....

 

[Tygger]

OT : it's another argument in favor of centralized medical files : patients are not doctors they don't understand everything.

As for a jury's perspective , I am also interested in this trial because, whether we like it or not, it's happening, and it brings out facts.

Bouee, great observations. Your second observation is the reason I support this trial. I do not look at this trial through a fan’s lens. I would encourage anyone who has legal recourse available to them to take that opportunity if it does not cause any foreseeable and unnecessary hardships. The criminal trial resulted in many unanswered questions and for some, too lenient a punishment. Michael’s mother and children would not have known what was learned in this trial if it was not pursued. Fans that follow the trial have indirectly benefited from this knowledge. Whether these fans accept this information as it stands or not is their choice but, it does not change the fact.

For example, we now know for a fact that Michael never signed for 50 shows. We also know information that was never for us to know like the implant. I do not and cannot blame the plaintiffs’ for the defense’s actions only because they initiated this suit. Yes, AEG has to defend itself. I personally have not seen one instance of the defense putting anything into context which resulted in support of Michael; it would not be logical and would go against their defense. The only way for AEG to defend their indefensible actions is to minimize damages by blaming the victim.

I believe Katherine mostly likely did not consult the children when deciding to initiate the suit as she testified to. She may have had the conversations you are referring to with the children. However deciding to pursue a trial and preparing someone for the emotional gamut of a trial are two separate and distinct conversations. Even with the latter conversation, it can be very difficult to predict how an adult let alone a child will react until the event happens. The strongest person will need support due to the emotional strain of these events. There is a MJJC support thread for this trial and members here are not a part of the trial at all; we are only voyeurs. Imagine how much more difficult it is for the plaintiffs who are dealing with this trial as well as their continued grief.

 

[jamba]

It's obvious from Dr. Alimorad Farshchian, that Michael Jackson had physical ailments, from his professional dancing. Between hurting his back and than getting a sprained ankle, Michael Jackson was in a lot of pain. This may explain the demerol usage, but, Michael Jackson did not want to continue the use of this medication and asked Dr. Alimorad Farshchian for his expertise, as a medical professional, to help him with his expertise to end the use of demerol for his, Michael Jackson's, usage, as it sounds like Michael's physical ailments, were healing and not causing as much pain to Michael. The sprained ankle, cause by Michael's profession, of dancing, to the back pain, caused by the fall in Michael's Show, in 1999, produced by Marcel Avram.

It's Michael Jackson's physical ailments, the sprained ankle, the hurt back, are not given as much attention as to Michael using demerol to help him cope with how much pain he was in, physically speaking. I understand Michael's pain, because as we age, it is harder to heal. I recently sprained my ankle and it took so long to heal, that I don't think it has completely healed as I type this. I am not a professional dancer and I feel for Michael for this was his livelihood and his body depended on him to be able to function 100% for the kind of performances that he gave, on the level of a Barnum and Bailey performance, the greatest Show on earth.

Too many bumps and bruises, I don't blame Michael Jackson for using something to help him live with the intense pain he was under. Back pain and a sprained ankle would be almost unbearable to live with, without going into shock from your body trying to handle that much stress and Michael is not young, as a professional athlete. Most professional athlete's are forced to retire, on account of all the injureis they suffer. In Michael's judgement, the demerol was his best medicine to help him cope and when he thought it was time to stop taking the medicine, Michael took appropriate measure's to discontinue the use.

I agree re all his bumps and bruises from being a dancer--a professional dancer has a lot of pain, and I think his feet were mentioned as being in bad shape as well. And yes when you are older it gets harder to heal and also you are not as flexible in most cases. I also had a sprained ankle that took forever to heal but a body worker finally helped me loosen it up enough that I no longer limped. One thing for sure, MJ did not talk about his medical issues, his pain, and that was good b/c it was no one's business, but on the other hand, it led to all kinds of media speculations.

I went to an Eagles concert last night--it was a smallish venue, maybe 15k people, but all sold out and the tickets were expensive. These guys sounded great but they just stood there and sang/played--no moving around the stage. People loved it anyway of course and did not expect more from them. Their show was pretty basic, the lighting and background videos nothing special. What AEG and MJ planned for the O2 was really spectacular with the 3-D videos, the dancers, the band, the costumes, etc. It was a real show with maximum professionalism, as far as I could see, in terms of the production effort. MJ dancing and singing with this kind of production is way more than what a big band like the Eagles does--yet they are so popular and their tour is going to MSG and other big venues exactly the same as what I saw. In fact, I think their Greatest Hits album sold as well as Thriller in USA. It is just interesting to me the so high expectations that MJ put on himself to do better than ever, to outdo himself, even when he was older and slower and had those aches and pains.

 

[#MJforever57]

The secretive part goes to the charge that AEG knew or should have known.

Why bring the doctors? The jury will only be able to base their decision on what they have heard in court and not rumours in a tabloid.

Hope that helps.

Yes it does i see the picture now. Thank LastTear.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Yeah, Soundmind - I'm with ya as it relates to Elvis' cause of death. Love how they sanitise history for some but not for others!

 

[elapentela]

I'm a proud Jackson$ hater by the way , so please don't write you and the Jacksons , I feel humiliated to be addressed with the bloodsucking backstabbing leeches .

AEG own experts are testifying all the numbers they talked about were exaggerated , which means were lies . In other words they lied to him about the numbers he was going to get in order to get his signature on the contract . Sorry MJ did not approach them . That's not true , Tohme is shady as hell . We know they were the ones trying to convince him to sign the contract not the opposite.

Why would he approach them in 2007 if he was not ready ?

Still Michael was the one who decided to choose AEG. I don't believe he would be able to get a better deal from any other promoter. To get the residency in O2 is very comfortable thing and reduces a lot of stress which accompany with the traveling. I don't think that any other promotor had the better offer. London is the most accessible city in the world so it was like people who wanted " to pray go to the temple ". They didn't all had to go at the same time. They had 50 dates available during 10 months period. They gave him and his children (plus entourage) beautiful property in London suburbs. What kind of better deal they could offer him. The contract still was the best deal anybody else would sign with him at that time...

 

[jamba]

Bouee, great observations. Your second observation is the reason I support this trial. I do not look at this trial through a fan’s lens. I would encourage anyone who has legal recourse available to them to take that opportunity if it does not cause any foreseeable and unnecessary hardships. The criminal trial resulted in many unanswered questions and for some, too lenient a punishment. Michael’s mother and children would not have known what was learned in this trial if it was not pursued. Fans that follow the trial have indirectly benefited from this knowledge. Whether these fans accept this information as it stands or not is their choice but, it does not change the fact.

For example, we now know for a fact that Michael never signed for 50 shows. We also know information that was never for us to know like the implant. I do not and cannot blame the plaintiffs’ for the defense’s actions only because they initiated this suit. Yes, AEG has to defend itself. I personally have not seen one instance of the defense putting anything into context which resulted in support of Michael; it would not be logical and would go against their defense. The only way for AEG to defend their indefensible actions is to minimize damages by blaming the victim.

I believe Katherine mostly likely did not consult the children when deciding to initiate the suit as she testified to. She may have had the conversations you are referring to with the children. However deciding to pursue a trial and preparing someone for the emotional gamut of a trial are two separate and distinct conversations. Even with the latter conversation, it can be very difficult to predict how an adult let alone a child will react until the event happens. The strongest person will need support due to the emotional strain of these events. There is a MJJC support thread for this trial and members here are not a part of the trial at all; we are only voyeurs. Imagine how much more difficult it is for the plaintiffs who are dealing with this trial as well as their continued grief.

Aren't you assuming there is no grief on the AEG side, yet there may be for the people who worked long time with MJ and even the people who only worked short-time. It seems your sympathies lies with only one side, yet there are people who loved MJ on the AEG side as well. I am not talking about RP-- there are many others who were part of the AEG team. Travis Payne, K of Arc, Kenny O, Paul G, Michael Bearden, etc.

 

[#MJforever57]

To me Michael using propofol wasn't because he was some crazy addict but he was so desperate to get some sleep. What I see and read from things that people who actually talked with Michael and saw him he did everything he could to avoid being dependant on anything. He knew he had to take certain things because of issues with his burns and his vitiligo. I actually think he deserves more credit than people are willing to give him because both sides are trying to win a case and are throwing him under the bus.

I agree with you 100% Michael was not crazy the man was desperate for some sleep that he really needed. That why i am saying why is all the blame on Michael Jackson. In the bold you are so right.

 

[Tygger]

Aren't you assuming there is no grief on the AEG side, yet there may be for the people who worked long time with MJ and even the people who only worked short-time. It seems your sympathies lies with only one side, yet there are people who loved MJ on the AEG side as well. I am not talking about RP-- there are many others who were part of the AEG team. Travis Payne, K of Arc, Kenny O, Paul G, Michael Bearden, etc.

Jamba, I am speaking specifically about the plaintiffs. I do not measure grief. If I did, I am sure the grief of a mother who lost a son and the grief of children who lost their father would outweigh those you mentioned.

 

[#MJforever57]

What is surprising to me and what I did not know before, is that MJ was getting propofol for procedures when it seemingly was not the usual drug used for that procedure--I can see with whatever they were doing around the eyes--he had to be out b/c he had to be completely still, but for regular injections of fillers, botox, etc. propofol is not commonly used (as far as I know and as far as was testified). So in that respect, the nurse's testimony re 25 prior occasions where MJ received propofol is new to me.

So does this mean MJ used both demerol and propofol (sometimes one, sometimes the other) for such cosmetic procedures?

I have to take back what i said in my post that is new to me too and like say Michael had to be still why their were working around the eyes so that explain why propofol was use. I am like you did Michael use propofol or demerol but it depend on what Michael was getting done.

 

[LastTear]

I take it when Dr Saunders is saying he treated Michael between '98 and 2003 that it wasn't for addiction, just for general medical needs, like the infection he refers to?

Im not entirely sure of the purpose of his testimony.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I can't wait this train-wreck to be over and hoping as well KJ gets less what she expected!

 

[ivy]

Im not entirely sure of the purpose of his testimony.

It looks like

- Saunders go to give Michael Demerol, he has a reaction and later learns another doctor gave him a dose of Demerol. --> secretive behavior, keeping what one doctor did secret from another, also dangerous

(the patient had another pain injection at sometime prior to Dr. Saunders' arrival that Dr. Saunders was not aware of. The patient only told him this after his reaction had occurred.)

- Saunders did not know about the implant -- > Secretive behavior

( Hunt: Did Michael ever tell you about getting an implant to help address his addiction to pain medication? Dr. Saunders: No)

- Saunders is not aware of any other doctor treating Michael -- > Looks like there were other doctors during this time period including Farshian, Klein, Metzger

(Dr Saunders said he never heard the name Dr. Fashchian and that MJ never told him about any other doctor going to Neverland and treating him)

- ER people thinking Michael is asking for copious amounts of Demerol --> most probably the goal is to show it as he was faking pain to get Demerol? Or that he had high tolerance to Demerol.

(Medical record: who has been here twice before, actually, earlier this evening although it is now the next day, but he has been seen twice. He has an avulsion of the proximal navicular of the foot and has required copious amounts of pain medication he returns again in severe pain, no further trauma, no paresthesias and states that the Demerol which we gave on him last visit has worn off and he feels the pain escalating.")

 

[jamba]

Jamba, I am speaking specifically about the plaintiffs. I do not measure grief. If I did, I am sure the grief of a mother who lost a son and the grief of children who lost their father would outweigh those you mentioned.

I am not talking about 'measuring grief." Good grief. There's enough grief to go around, I would think, instead of saying these people have more grief (outweighs, as you say) than those people. Also, we --if you mean fans--are not just 'voyeurs"--people were and are sincerely grief-stricken. My point was that you seem to want to see grief in one place only (mother and children) but it is more widespread than that.

As far as KJ, yes, she no doubt was grief-stricken and still is to some extent, on the other hand, she has been remarkably callous to her son's suffering for his entire life in many ways, so it's hard to say.

 

[crillon]

To me Michael using propofol wasn't because he was some crazy addict but he was so desperate to get some sleep. What I see and read from things that people who actually talked with Michael and saw him he did everything he could to avoid being dependant on anything. He knew he had to take certain things because of issues with his burns and his vitiligo. I actually think he deserves more credit than people are willing to give him because both sides are trying to win a case and are throwing him under the bus.

I can also see with the number of times Michael was given propofol for procedures--far more than we ever knew--it seems that it may have become routine to him and that may have lead to his high comfort level with Murray administering it in his bedroom. But, unlike the doctors testifying who had all the hospital-level equipment in place to do it safely, Murray took dangerous risks and played Russian Roulette with Michael's life.

 

[serendipity]

I'm a proud Jackson$ hater by the way , so please don't write you and the Jacksons , I feel humiliated to be addressed with the bloodsucking backstabbing leeches .

AEG own experts are testifying all the numbers they talked about were exaggerated , which means were lies . In other words they lied to him about the numbers he was going to get in order to get his signature on the contract . Sorry MJ did not approach them . That's not true , Tohme is shady as hell . We know they were the ones trying to convince him to sign the contract not the opposite.

Why would he approach them in 2007 if he was not ready ?

IMO just because the experts are saying this doesn't really mean the numbers were really exaggerated. They are trying to diminish the profit to get less damages in case they lose, so it's not surprising that they are being paid to say that. Just like the Jacksons paid their expert to make ridiculously high estimations.

 

[Naturelle]

That's been a problem for him for many, many years.

 

[Justthefacts]

I have a question. Did the lawyer for AEG say during opening statement say Michael had his implant removed during the trial?

 

[Petrarose]

From the time the case file was created when Katherine filed this case in 2010, we all knew what was coming. We may not have known the details, but we all knew the medical & drugs would play a major role. When the motions were posted we knew again. When we saw what the family was asking for, eg., slides, medical information, we knew again. Now we are actually seeing the details of what we prepared ourselves for, so I don't understand this alarm. People wrote comments like "we better be prepared, be strong, AEG will dirty Michel, etc." We knew it was coming.

I don't understand the claim about if he was not prepared in 07 he should not decide to do the show. If Michael lived by that, we would see him perform less than he did. He performed several times in pain. The thing is he was in good condition physically to work based on the his trainer's statement, the woman who saw him at Klien's office, his initial medical, & Lee. It was only when Muarry came on board and he began the sleeping regiment that his skills were hampered. What he needed was a better method to sleep. What that is I do not know.

Then, I think the judge already threw out the claim that deals with AEG taking advantage of Michael. Michael had a choice. He was in the business long enough and knew his worth. He always tell people something like "we will sell like 1 mil copies," whether it did or not, so if some AGE staff told him he could make much more than he would it all seems the same to me. This is done all the time. The person trying to get you to make that deal with them, will say you stand to make like $X. Also, when dealing with Michael, one of his people said that you have to speak big numbers with him and make it sound elaborate, like "it will be bigger than Prince." These are the type of things that gain his interest to perform. If you just say let's put on a tour, you are not going to get him interested. So what I see is that AEG knew how Michael is, & used a good hook to get Michel on board. Michael is not a baby and knew his field better than we did.

It is known that Michel does not really care for needles. He also has a low threshold for pain, so he takes an anesthetic for his cosmetic work. It seems it is demerol or prof. I would do the same. I have been looking for anesthesia to do those female exams, so I understand why Michael would take medicine for his botox, etc. It is just like people who have those tattoos & endure the pain, while others cannot tolerate them.

Sometimes i feel some make Michael sound much older than my 90 year old aunt. It seems 50 year old slender people are so old they can't perform. In other words, the way words are phrased it almost seem as though Michel should just lie down and die because he is too old to do the main thing his talent allows him to do, and which brings him much happiness.

Something many will notice is that some comedians, singers, stars who have made it big may take a residency, and people would say they are so big why would they do that. It is that they miss the interaction of performing in front of their fans, if they did so before. So although some might feel Michel should just go in the studio and make a record, it seems that there was a part of him that wanted to be in front of his fans again and perform.

There is no need lamenting about how he put pressure on himself, because that is the type of person he is. That is the way he is made. He plans & plans and makes things elaborate and has been doing so for years. Therefore, even if he did not take prof he would be planning for his show to be elaborate. I am glad he did. I am glad that up to the last he planned a show in the way he wanted it to be. Doing that was good for him and made him feel he was creating something worthwhile, powerful, and meaningful again. (Remember he cried when he heard about the ticket sales & about the number of people waiting for the announcement.) When he went home on the 24th he was very happy, and I am glad it was the result of his rehearsals, doing the thing that he loved to do--that brought him that happiness. He lay on that bed happy that final night, and that is comforting to know.

 

[Naturelle]

Still Michael was the one who decided to choose AEG. I don't believe he would be able to get a better deal from any other promoter. To get the residency in O2 is very comfortable thing and reduces a lot of stress which accompany with the traveling. I don't think that any other promotor had the better offer. London is the most accessible city in the world so it was like people who wanted " to pray go to the temple ". They didn't all had to go at the same time. They had 50 dates available during 10 months period. They gave him and his children (plus entourage) beautiful property in London suburbs. What kind of better deal they could offer him. The contract still was the best deal anybody else would sign with him at that time...

Some fans had tickets to shows from July 09 through March 10! That's how excited we were to see him back on stage.