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My quwstion is WHY isn't Klien being called to testify. This all stems from him. It makes no sense.
 
I need to get away from Twitter for a while, not sure if I'll be able though... :rant:

How some of these supporters, Brenda Richie and Taj dare to assume some of us aren't Michael fans just because we call KJ out? Our loyalty is with Michael and his children, not with other Jacksons. I understand for Taj it could be difficult or painful reading these things about her grandma but we're not lying and her actions have spoken volumes:

Suporter: It kills me that "fans" call Katherine an "old, greedy bitch" but Debbie Rowe has been living off of Michael for nearly 20 years.

“@belindabee83: @BrendaRichie These MJ "fans" are stating these horrible things about Katherine.” Then they are not fans of MJ then!


“ @tajjackson3 They are MJ fans, not fans of Katherine. If she disrespects Michael, why should they respect her?”What planet are you on?

She's indeed disrespected Michael by not caring his wishes and letting strangers to invade his privacy and disrespect him!
 
@Snow white, ott reply:)
Don't worry about those "fans" Snow white. You know you are fan of MJ, not the mother who sold him to entertainment business since he got out of diapers, who helped Joe to beat him up if he missed dance step, who hit Joe when he dared to hit her, didn't stop her abusive husband from beating MJ so he ended up with scars that lasted with him until the day he died,who used him to live her life in luxury, who used him to support the whole family for years and years without demanding or teaching those useless cubs earn their own money, and lastly when MJ died, he trusted KJ will take good care of his precious children. Instead of taking care and loving them, she sold them to porn producer, Paris suicide attempt, and god knows what else we don't know.

Tell me again why I should be a fan or give respect to KJ? Just because she and Joe went to bed one night, and after 9 months MJ came to world. That is all they did and to me it doesn't deserve that much of respect as I think everybody can do that:) What MJ became later, it was MJ, not KJ who was working his arse off and learning how to become the biggest entertainer in the world and he (not KJ) spent countless hours and hours learning his graft, and so on.

What worries me about that kind of fans have the same mentality than Jackson family. Jackson's thinks what MJ did and earned, belongs to family, and those fans thinks that if you are fan of MJ you should be fan of family.

Ps that Breda R is the person who contacted on RP and said MJ contacted on her after his death and told his death was an accident or something similar.
 
Personally I don't believe, or I chose not to anyway, that Michael outwardly lied to this nurse, it is just as likely as he simply forgot about it.

As many here would know when you go under anaesthetic the anaesthesiologist will always 'interview' you, as Fournier states here

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Fournier said he always took MJ's medical history prior to procedures.
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The nurse said that if it's a regular patient, he would still take medical history, but it would be abbreviated.
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Fournier explained all the questions he asks the patient before giving anesthesia: medical history, medications, etc.
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On a side note, I don't blame this nurse being angry at the time, it was his career on the line if something went wrong.

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Fournier: No, got over it
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Fournier: I was angry at Dr. Klein, I was angry at Michael, I was angry at anyone who knew about it and didn't tell me.
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"You expect your clients and your doctors to be honest with you," Fournier explained.
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Koskoff asked if Fournier was more concerned that Dr. Klein didn't tell him. He said yes. Michael told Dr. Klein about it, Koskoff said.
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Of course he would be more concerned that Klein didn't tell him, he knew there could be reactions, whereas Michael, a lay person, wouldn't.

I agree that Jackson side managed to counter the doctor shopping and that Michael never asked for a particular drug, didn't dictate his treatment.
 
ivy said:
He said Michael's business manager told him it was Demerol, and they have seen him loopy after Klein visits. Actually guess what? You are on the right track about why AEG keep differentiating between Demerol and Propofol. Yes they obviously knew 93 Demerol addiction, they might have suspected Klein was shooting Michael with Demerol in 2009 but their argument is they have no way of knowing Murray was giving Michael nightly Propofol at his bedroom.
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I'm curious to know how many times it happened, and especially when it happened. We heard that the highest dose of demerol was given in april, before Murray got into the picture, and it was significantly higher than the other doses & we know that Michael had a high tolerance to it.

In other words i'm suspecting an excuse that Phillips knowingly made up.

ivy said:
posted the last section of tweets

Jackson lawyers did a good job of debunking doctor shopping / drug seeking but AEG was able to get secretive behavior / lying they wanted.

I just hate all these invasion of privacy of Michael.
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Oh no, I don't agree with the bolded. Klein was aware of it, and Klein was probably with Fournier during that procedure. It was Klein's mistake, and he apologised for it.

Koskoff asked if Fournier was more concerned that Dr. Klein didn't tell him. He said yes. Michael told Dr. Klein about it, Koskoff said
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Fournier said Dr. Klein told him something during the procedure and that they spoke after about it.
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Fournier: I controlled his ventilation 4 couple of minutes, it happened again, I lightened him up, assisted one more time w/ his breathing.
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outside the presence of the jury :
Bina said Fournier didn't know what to do, he asked the doctor and changed the treatment. She said MJ admitted he had an implant after.
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I think Michael just forgot to say it or didn't understand it as medication. I don't believe Michael willfully withheld that information.
OT : it's another argument in favor of centralized medical files : patients are not doctors they don't understand everything.

This testimony was a waste of time for AEG , an unnecessary invasion of Michael's privacy. the Jacksons did a good job at explaining the situation, IMO. Eventually, Fournier's testimony was more in favor of the Jacksons and useless for AEG.

Tygger said:
I do not understand how Katherine could have a conversation with minors about the complexities of this suit and these minors make an informed decision about joining it as adults do not fully understand this suit. If we are being honest and the children were not on the suit, Katherine would be seen as greedy because the children did suffer the loss of their father. I believe they deserve to be on the suit.
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I understand the idea that they deserve to be on the suit, but I think Katherine saying she did not ask them is a mistake and I hope it's a lie. Though, honestly, I don't trust her with that.
It's true the kids can not understand the technicalities but they can be explained what's ahead, and what is likely to happen : being called to testify, being deposed, with people who will ask them over and over again about thair dad's last days and all sorts of private information, and lawyers trying to twist things, trying to make their dad look bad, trying to get them to say negative things that can be used against their dad.
The lawyers are ahaead of everyone involved because they have the depositions before the trial starts. the kids can be explained what's ahead, and should be allowed to stop it if they didn't want this to happen.
The kids have gone through enough already, and Paris has obviously not been doing well. They should not be forced into this, they should be the priority. They are recovering from their dad's death.
So yes, i'll maintain that Katherine's answer, when she said she did not talk with them prior to doing this, shocked me. Again, I hope it's not true, and that the kids wanted this because they needed answers and explanations about what they witnessed.
 
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I am reading here that some think Fournier's testimony wasn't that bad...that's because you are reading it from a fan's perspective. I personally think Fournier's testimony has been the most devastating so far..and it will be compounded with what is coming up later. Just the number of plastic surgeries MJ had (non scalp / burn related)...will make the jury believe he used these surgeries to get propofol. No one gets propofol for Botox injections.

i expect things to get worse by the day.

I guess I fail to see how 50-100 injections in a short period of times (and by listing the many doctors involved AEG wanted the jury to believe if he lied to one he probably lied to most in their treatment of him) won't give the jury pause. None of them are doctors if I recall..it gives ME pause and I knew a bit more about MJ's history with MDs & drugs.

delayed comment: I think it s laughable (and I hope the jury thought the same) that Katherine Jackson thinks she could have done something had AEG contacted her. We're talking a 50 year old an here. And let's not forget mommy dearest wasn't even involved when a friend SINGLE-HANDEDLY took MJ to rehab. For ****'s sake, she still didn't know the tour had been canceled because of MJ's addiction. Laughable is putting it mildly.

she wants to know the truth about what happened...but shuts off most things said in court. Hmmmmmmmmok
 
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"Most of the records were destroyed due to time limit, Fournier said. Last time he treated Michael was in 2003, about 6 yrs before his death.
He treated MJ for about 10 years. Fournier said he does not have all the records of his treatment to Michael Jackson, but has some. Fournier said he believes the standard is 7 years before a physician destroys a patient's record."

If doctors are required to keep medical regords only for 7 years, how AEG got MJ's records from as far as 80's?
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"The nurse said he had trouble some times placing IV on Michael Jackson. He said at times he would have to change places.
Fournier said it required multiple attempts some times to get an IV line in MJ. "I think the most I had to stick him was 3 times," he said. Fournier explained that some times he would have to start IV on small veins on MJ on the top of his finger or surface of the arm.

Great, another story for tabloids to run with, goes with last weeks bottocs story:angry:
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The nurse cannot perform any procedure without a doctor present.
Doctors MJ saw:
- Dr. Arnold Klein (dermatologist)
- Dr. Stephen Hoefflin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Allan Metzger (internist)
- Dr. Lawrence Koplin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Edward "Lee" Baxley (dentist)
- Dr. Leslie Levine (dentist)
- Dr. Lee Bosley (hair restoration)
- Dr. Gary Tearston (plastic reconstructive surgery)

By giving this list out, it was meant to make MJ look like he doctor shopped and wanted to get drugs from them.
First of, if MJ wanted drugs from doctors, I'm sure in Cali he could just call some shady doctor, and with certain amount of money they would write discription. Secondly, why would MJ have root canal treatment if he only wanted drugs? I think quite many people knows it is not pleasant exprience so it is idiotic to even suggest that he got that treament to get high.
Considering the ailments we know MJ had, I don't see that list as evidence of his excessive use of doctors.
To be honest, I had 3 doctors 1 year alone for reasons, but I swear I wasn't doctor shopping nor was I looking for drugs.
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Fournier said he tells patients after anesthesia to resume diet slowly, told MJ to go home, have crackers, soup.
But he said he happened to drive by Kentucky Fried Chicken, saw MJ's limo parked.
Fournier tapped at the window and saw MJ eating a bucket of chicken and some biscuits. "He was embarrassed," Fournier said.

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Fournier said MJ was very warm, likable guy and they became friends. He visited Neverland twice.
Cahan: Was there a time you didn't think MJ was being truthful with you?
Fournier: Towards the end of our working relationship, yes
Fournier: Despite 10 years of quality of care, and taking good care of him, he (MJ) never called me back

I got an impression from testimony that he was bitter towards MJ, that MJ didn't keep contact on him and wasn't called back to NL. That reminded me of what Klein once said about his time with MJ and other celebrities, and how he began to think himself as celebrity in that world (or something like that) and how much he loved adulation that he got from being in the circle. Also didn't Chandlers father had similar kind of delusion and wanted to hang on with MJ and his friends, I think?

I think he was more angry to MJ for being cut out of his life and wasn't invited to visit in NL, than he was angry about not being told about narcan thingy.
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Fournier agreed that Michael never chose the drugs he administered, never asked for more.
Koskoff: You gave MJ Propofol and he never asked you for Propofol, correct?
Fournier: Correct
Koskoff: You called the shots?
Fournier: Correct
Koskoff: If someone say MJ had drug-seeking behavior, you didn't see it?
Fournier: Correct
Fournier said he never felt MJ had anesthesia inappropriately and didn't feel like MJ was doctor shopping.
Koskoff: Did he ever ask you to remain under anesthesia for longer than you thought was necessary?
Fournier: No

Excellent questions from Koskoff.
 
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"The nurse said he had trouble some times placing IV on Michael Jackson. He said at times he would have to change places.
Fournier said it required multiple attempts some times to get an IV line in MJ. "I think the most I had to stick him was 3 times," he said. Fournier explained that some times he would have to start IV on small veins on MJ on the top of his finger or surface of the arm.

Great, another story for tabloids to run with, goes with last weeks bottocs story


I don't see it plenty of people have small veins. My veins are big and I am easy to stick some people are not



The nurse cannot perform any procedure without a doctor present.
Doctors MJ saw:
- Dr. Arnold Klein (dermatologist)
- Dr. Stephen Hoefflin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Allan Metzger (internist)
- Dr. Lawrence Koplin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Edward "Lee" Baxley (dentist)
- Dr. Leslie Levine (dentist)
- Dr. Lee Bosley (hair restoration)
- Dr. Gary Tearston (plastic reconstructive surgery)

I think the point here was these were the doctors he worked with concerning Michael. As stated before no one has one doctor who does everything
 
Justthefacts said:
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"The nurse said he had trouble some times placing IV on Michael Jackson. He said at times he would have to change places.
Fournier said it required multiple attempts some times to get an IV line in MJ. "I think the most I had to stick him was 3 times," he said. Fournier explained that some times he would have to start IV on small veins on MJ on the top of his finger or surface of the arm.

Great, another story for tabloids to run with, goes with last weeks bottocs story


I don't see it plenty of people have small veins. My veins are big and I am easy to stick some people are not



The nurse cannot perform any procedure without a doctor present.
Doctors MJ saw:
- Dr. Arnold Klein (dermatologist)
- Dr. Stephen Hoefflin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Allan Metzger (internist)
- Dr. Lawrence Koplin (plastic surgery)
- Dr. Edward "Lee" Baxley (dentist)
- Dr. Leslie Levine (dentist)
- Dr. Lee Bosley (hair restoration)
- Dr. Gary Tearston (plastic reconstructive surgery)

I think the point here was these were the doctors he worked with concerning Michael. As stated before no one has one doctor who does everything
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But see this through the jury and "regular people" eyes. Most have 1 generalist and maybe 1 or 2 specialists. As they keep listing the various doctors (and those listed are only the ones Fournier worked with) the jury a the public will come to their own conclusion.

I don't think everything should be explained with ...oh he's Michael Jackson if he can afford having 20 mds on call, why not .,there is a commonality to all these doctors.


keep in mind, this is the type of testimony Jackson$$$$$ wanted broadcast on TVs around the world.
 
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those were his doctors over the ten years the nurse worked for him . He said he was never alone , a doctor was always present.

I believe Bubs is right , the intention was to make the jury believe he was doctor shopping or like Memfan said to make the jury believe he was not there for the procedures but to get the drugs , Putnam said in his opening statement they would present testimonies to demonstrate that MJ was so secretive about his addiction to propofol he managed to fool medical professionals he underwent procedures just to get propofol .
 
Wel right now I have main doctor, a dentist, an eye doctor and a dermatologist. At one point I had seven. Having mutiple doctors is somethings lots of people have not just Michael Jackson
 
Soundmind said:
those were his doctors over the ten years the nurse worked for him . He said he was never alone , a doctor was always present.

I believe Bubs is right , the intention was to make the jury believe he was doctor shopping or like Memfan said to make the jury believe he was not there for the procedures but to get the drugs , Putnam said in his opening statement they would present testimonies to demonstrate that MJ was so secretive about his addiction to propofol he managed to fool medical professionals he underwent procedures just to get propofol .
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Are you sure he said that? Because that makes no sense. ESP when these doctors if they take the stand state Michael needed this or that done.
 
yes I'm sure , why do you think I'm repeatedly emphasizing that so far no medical professional testified there was not a medical justification for the drugs administered to him . Very different from the picture Putnum portrayed in his opening statement . I will get you the quote
 
Memefan said:
But see this through the jury and "regular people" eyes. Most have 1 generalist and maybe 1 or 2 specialists. As they keep listing the various doctors (and those listed are only the ones Fournier worked with) the jury a the public will come to their own conclusion.

I don't think everything should be explained with ...oh he's Michael Jackson if he can afford having 20 mds on call, why not .,there is a commonality to all these doctors.
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Fournier said he knew that Jackson had received an above-average number of anesthetic treatments over his lifetime, and many were related to procedures needed after Jackson was badly burned in a shoot for a Pepsi commercial in 1984.

Fournier said it was not common to administer an anesthetic during cosmetic procedures, but the ones done on Jackson were complex and involved dozens of injections. Some of the procedures were near Jackson's eye and sedation was necessary to keep him still, Fournier said.
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We should not hurry to conclusions , he even said high tolerance could be caused by genetics , Metzeger testified oral drugs never worked for MJ since he started treating him that was way long before his problem in 1993 .

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MJ got 100s of injections around the eye, various parts of his face. It's more than average patients, needed to be sedated to tolerate pain.
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Fournier: Michael was special in that. Instead of 5 or 6 injections that people normally get, MJ would get 50-100
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This quote is wrong , they make it seem he got 50 100 shots of propofol , propofol is not a local anesthetic to be injected around his eyes .
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Fournier said sometimes he would go 6 months without seeing MJ, so he explained the risks of anesthesia every time.
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Fournier estimates he treated MJ 30-35 times, anesthesia perhaps 25 times.
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Some of the times I did not give him medication, just observed him, Fournier said.
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See we need to read his whole testimony to understand everything .
 
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That is a pretty stupid thing to say because no doctor is going to admit to doing something wrong. And it would be stupid of AEG to accuse a doctor of doing something to Michael just to give him propfol, that doctor would chew them up. Both of them said some silly things during theiropening statements. This whole damn thing is just a waste of time and such breach ofMichael's privacy. And I blame the family because they knew they had no case and still went ahead with this bull. If nothing else yesterday gave me an idea of perhaps why Michael thought propofol would be a good thing for his sleeping problems. And also showed IMO how stupid it was of the Jacksons to say AEG told Murray what to do when it is clear propofol was nothing new to Michael
 
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@Bubs, I'm not sure I got that he was still angry at MJ like some of you have, maybe he is idk.

Standing on the fence and trying to be objective, AEG, with the below are basically saying that as Fournier said no to Michael then Michael never called him again privately - and professionally he was relieved of his duties. Personally I think that is the point in that part of testimony and what they wanted the jury to see/think.

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Judge: Was Dr. Klein there?
Fournier: Yes
Judge: And he didn't stop the procedure?
Fournier: Michael came in and I made the decision
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Fournier said he felt uncomfortable. This was about 3 months after the last procedure.
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Fournier: I asked if there were any changes in medication, he denied it, I didn't believe it, we canceled the procedure
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Fournier: The last time I treated MJ, a few months after, he came to surgery center. He was a little goofy, a little slow to respond.
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Justthefacts;3875370 said:
Are you sure he said that? Because that makes no sense. ESP when these doctors if they take the stand state Michael needed this or that done.
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Putnam states that they did not see this coming. They had no idea. Putnam starts talking about what we learned after June 25th. He says in 1993 Michael announced the world he had a problem with painkillers and went to rehab. He says publicly people thought the rehab worked. He says that Michael was secretive about his painkiller addiction. Michael was getting drugs from doctors. Putnam says there was usually a plausible reason for drug use. For instance Michael would have a minor cosmetic procedure but would get the same painkiller he would get for surgery. Outsiders will think he got the painkillers because he was having a procedure. Second doctors were bound by doctor – patient confidentiality. Even when they were concerned that Michael was using too much painkillers, they couldn’t tell anybody. The most they can do is to refuse to treat Michael further and Michael always found someone else.
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His opening statement
 
He was talking about painkillers not propofol unless I missed it. Or is he saying propofol is a pain killer?
 
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@Bubs, I'm not sure I got that he was still angry at MJ like some of you have, maybe he is idk.

Standing on the fence and trying to be objective, AEG, with the below are basically saying that as Fournier said no to Michael then Michael never called him again privately - and professionally he was relieved of his duties. Personally I think that is the point in that part of testimony and what they wanted the jury to see/think.
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Did MJ ask him to give him anything and he said no ? no he said I asked him if there were any changes in medications he said no but I did not believe him . In other tweets he actually said MJ told him he removed the implant and was doing fine but he did not believe him . Records show he indeed removed it in July2003 , in September 2003 he met him for the procedure which he declined to perform .
 
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He was talking about painkillers not propofol unless I missed it. Or is he saying propofol is a pain killer?
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Cahan asked the nurse " Is it common to administer propofol for cosmetic procedures ?" he replied no . That's their strategy
 
Michael told him the truth but he did not believe hm. Maybe that is why Michael never called him back
 
Soundmind;3875376 said:
yes I'm sure , why do you think I'm repeatedly emphasizing that so far no medical professional testified there was not a medical justification for the drugs administered to him . Very different from the picture Putnum portrayed in his opening statement . I will get you the quote
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Soundmind;3875407 said:
His opening statement
Putnam states that they did not see this coming. They had no idea. Putnam starts talking about what we learned after June 25th. He says in 1993 Michael announced the world he had a problem with painkillers and went to rehab. He says publicly people thought the rehab worked. He says that Michael was secretive about his painkiller addiction. Michael was getting drugs from doctors. Putnam says there was usually a plausible reason for drug use. For instance Michael would have a minor cosmetic procedure but would get the same painkiller he would get for surgery. Outsiders will think he got the painkillers because he was having a procedure. Second doctors were bound by doctor – patient confidentiality. Even when they were concerned that Michael was using too much painkillers, they couldn’t tell anybody. The most they can do is to refuse to treat Michael further and Michael always found someone else.
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Actually isn't this exactly what Fournier has testified to?
 
Soundmind said:
Cahan just asked the nurse " Is it common to administer propofol for cosmetic procedures ?" he replied no .
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But under cross he also said Michael was getting stuff done near his eye and they needed him to be still. IMO the Jacksons got more use out of him then AEG
 
Bubs said:
About the the tape that he has.
"The explosive tape recording was made six weeks before Michael Jackson died. Dr. Murray recorded the conversation on his iPhone and forensic experts were later able to retrieve it."

If forensic exprerts were able to retrieve it later, it means he deleted it. I just cannot believe the recording was given back to him after it was retrieved?
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any evidence would be given to his lawyers during his trial. so yeah he would have been given a copy

Soundmind said:
Klien knew so MJ was not secretive , if a doctor did not feel it was necessary to tell the nurse he had an implant how MJ would have known ?

Mike did his part he informed the main doctor , it was Klien's responsibility to inform him MJ had an implant .

If Klien failed to communicate appropriately with him it was not MJ's mistake nor his so called secretive behavior .
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Oh no, I don't agree with the bolded. Klein was aware of it, and Klein was probably with Fournier during that procedure. It was Klein's mistake, and he apologised for it.
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As many here would know when you go under anaesthetic the anaesthesiologist will always 'interview' you, as Fournier states here
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I disagree that Klein needed to tell about the implant based on real life experience. I have had 2 surgeries that included Propofol, I have also been to two surgeries (one dental) my boyfriend has. All of them included an "anesthesia consultation" with the anesthesiologist. Although the main doctor had most of the information, anesthesiologist would conduct their own examination and interview. I don't know if it is because of doctor - patient privilege and one doctor cannot share with another or it is because anesthesia is the responsibility of the anesthesiologist and therefore they collect their own information and don't rely on others. All of those consultations ended with anesthesiologist explaining the risks and getting you to sign a consent form which not only says that the information you provided was accurate and you understand the risks.

So sorry but I don't agree with it was Klein's responsibility. Life experience in US shows it's patients responsibility to disclose the relevant information & answer questions during a anesthesia consultation. That being said Michael lied is the opinion of Fournier which may not be true. It's possible that Michael simply forgot or did not think it was important enough to mention to Fournier.
 
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But under cross he also said Michael was getting stuff done near his eye and they needed him to be still
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exactly that's why I said previoulsy Puntman exaggerated what the doctors would testify to , he did twist their words completely . I don't believe any doctor would come to say I was giving him unnecessary drugs or excessive quantities , that will be left to their propofol addiction expert who would come to tell the jury in his opinion MJ abused propofol for more than a decade secretly , not only during the history tour as previoulsy assumed , cosmetic procedures were used as a cover to his real motive propofol .

Actually isn't this exactly what Fournier has testified to?
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Fournier testified MJ never dictated anything , never chose anything , never asked for anything especially concerning sedation . Fournier said he did have medical conditions that needed treatment . He testified during ten years he gave MJ propofol 25 times . Murray said he done that in less than one month .
 
Soundmind said:
exactly that's why I said previoulsy Puntman exaggerated what the doctors would testify to , he did twist their words completely . I don't believe any doctor would come to say I was giving him unnecessary drugs or quantities
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I don't think any doctor would come and say they were giving Michael unnecessary drugs - and Putnam did not claim that. But he referred to Dr. Quinn (a dentist), Dr. Van Valin to testify that Michael asked them for Propofol for sleep in his hotel room & house and they refused. Also Debbie Rowe will testify that she saw Michael getting Propofol or another anesthesia at hotel during tour. So that's still to come

If you read motions in limine I posted months ago Fournier have always been about Michael not disclosing the implant to a medical professional during a surgery and how AEG wanted to portray that as being secretive and lying.
 
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