Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[ivy]

FYI - this is what Murray was threatening Jacksons with

It was a breathtaking moment at the manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray. The court listened to a barely coherent Michael Jackson, apparently stoned on medication, says he never had a childhood in an explosive tape recording just played in court.

Jackson said, "My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn't have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it."

"You okay?" Murray asked.

"I am asleep," Jackson said.

It's a previously unheard portion of that same recording of Michael Jackson that has already shocked the world. Jackson said, "When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, 'I've never seen nothing like this in my life.' "

The explosive tape recording was made six weeks before Michael Jackson died. Dr. Murray recorded the conversation on his iPhone and forensic experts were later able to retrieve it.

The King of Pop can also reportedly be heard on the tape calling his own family "greedy" and "uncaring," and says he felt he was being used for money by the Jackson family.

"This is going to be the ugliest part of the trial for the Jackson family because first, they have to hear Michael Jackson in this woozy, incoherent state, and then they have to hear him say not-so-nice things about them, and that's got to be so difficult to hear this knowing that this man has passed away and there's no way to heal whatever he said or find closure with that," says HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell.

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...cking-recording-of-incoherent-michael-jackson

 

[Soundmind]

The King of Pop can also reportedly be heard on the tape calling his own family "greedy" and "uncaring," and says he felt he was being used for money by the Jackson family.

"This is going to be the ugliest part of the trial for the Jackson family because first, they have to hear Michael Jackson in this woozy, incoherent state, and then they have to hear him say not-so-nice things about them, and that's got to be so difficult to hear this knowing that this man has passed away and there's no way to heal whatever he said or find closure with that," says HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell.

Great , there were reports during Murray's trial the prosecutors edited the audio because the part about the family was irrelevant to their case, it would be great if the jury gets to hear why MJ kept his distance from them , that even in his most vulnerable state he did not forget how much pain they caused him . Still AEG should be very careful , MJ's kids are part of the case , the jury has the option to award those kids if they sympathize with him . Bring it please let the family supports hear him speak about their greed.

 

[ivy]

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AEG might not have access to such recording and they might not be able to validate it without Murray. It's just what I believe to be basis for Murray's recent threats to Jackson family. There have been also reports - unverified - that Murray might have other recordings of Michael and rumors that he might release them after his prison sentence.

 

[Soundmind]

I thought Jane Velez-Mitchell was talking about this trial not Murray .


I was rereading what the doctor said ,would not it have been much more beneficial to Katherine's cause to tell the truth regarding 2002 ? would not it have been much more wise to tell the jury when I knew about his problem in 2002 I talked to his doctor , he was suffering he sought treatment I checked the implant myself , he was doing fine .That's would have been much better to her case than giving the impression she did exactly what she is accusing AEG of doing . Her lawyers had access to the doctor's testimony . I cant believe how unsmart she is

 

[HIStory]

Where are you getting that the context that this aeg exec was talking about was the last 10yrs of tour schedules? From the tweets he was saying celine was a bigger artist than mj period. Why does every single argument and remark aeg make have to be justified and defended? Agree with soundmind, it was just a stupid thing to say and was just some partisan attempt to limit damages for aeg, really didn't think i wd find anyone wasting their time trying to defend it on an mj forum.

Thank you. Even non-fans on social media laugh at this statement about Celine being bigger. And not surprisingly, it turns out Meglen works on Celine Dion concerts for North America, so you can see where the bias comes from. An artist's greatness and success is not measured only in how many tours they did in the past 10 years. If that's the case then Celine is also bigger than the Beatles, Elvis, Led Zeppelin etc. etc. That's just ridiculous, sorry.

 

[HIStory]

How many tours Led Zeppelin did in the last 20 years ? he referred to them as the biggest artists in the world !! just using your logic certainly not as big as MJ who at least had two tours ? why then he said in his opinion they were the biggest ? when Putnm told him what about Dion in Pop he said even she's bigger than him . He was desperately downplaying everything MJ did or could have done . The same way we laughed at Katherine's expert saying MJ would do 4 more tours , this expert should be ridiculed for his ridiculous statements . It does scream desperation on AEG's part

We are not dumb , I can understand what he meant very well

Quoted for emphasis.

 

[bouee]

It was also very clear that Jacksons had a clear strategy which was portraying AEG as a disrespectful, profit seeking, money over MJ ruthless corporation.

Another point the jacksons were making, and the most important one IMO, Katherine said it best "they watched him waste away and did nothing". Instead they kept pressuring for rehearsals and involved Murray in the process.

I believe that's AEG's problem now, they can't attack this particular argument, because it's true. So they use other arguments to try and distract the jury from these facts. They are using secrecy when a lot of things were obvious and happening almost right in front of them.

One of the argument I think AEG is also using is the "demerol addict" theory. We heard dr Earley's depo saying Michael was addicted to demerol in 09, demerol could have interacted with propofol/benzo and the sadly funny idea that there was no indication "from the records" that Michael was addicted to propofol or benzos in 09. Did he forget to say there were no records ?
According to TMZ Debbie is going to testify that she suspected Klein after Michael's death, and that Klein did weird things with demerol (maybe not- it would be nice to hear some medical explanation about some of things that were posted in this article, such as using a drug to make demerol more powerful).
I'm merely speculating here, but that's where I think Dr farschian's testimony fits in all this : blame demerol, Klein and Michael.
And that was Murray's defense , so no need to say that is somewhat minimising Murray's role and helping him. They seem to forget that his defense was demolished during his trial, confirmed by Dr Schnoll.
They seem to forget they had Klein's invoice and that the dates of Michael's visits to Klein and Klein's records don't support this theory.
And by the way, about those invoices, was it a secret ? How did they end up in Michael's lawyer's hands, and he discussed them with Phillips ? Did he try to hide his visits there ?
To me, after watching Murray's trial, this line of argument is pretty shocking. I'm wondering if they are going to add Klein on their verdict form.
EDIT : and that doesn't make sense either. By mentionning Klein, they are saying they were suspecting drug use.

@Tygger : about Katherine, I don't know, i'm not in her head, but I find it hard to believe she forgot about Michael's issues. She might not remember all the details, but it's hard to forget the issue in itself. According to dr Farschian, she seemed to be worried at the time and cared, so there should be no problem saying just that on the stand. I believe there is something else, there is another reason for her to lie or "forget" about that. Time will tell, I don't know what it is.
I agree they should not expect much from her, but they are going for the extorsion argument as well- at least I think that's what they're doing- and she is the one who started this lawsuit. They are going to expose other contradictions, such as Randy's role in this, for ex.
And, just my opinion, if it's true she did not ask Michael's kids before starting this lawsuit, then that's unforgivable. I sincerely hope the kids will impeach her on that and say that they wanted this.

Re Meglen : I don't really care what he thinks about Céline Dion or Led Zeppelin, or Michael. What is interesting is that AEG are bringing in a witness to impeach AEG employees. it makes no sense at all, the strategy here is obvious.

re Murray : Murray also said Phillips pressured him- and Michael. I think he also said AEG owed him his salary. He's not good for either side, IMO.

re Debbie : I'm curious what she will say. I think she can go either way, she's unpredictable, as she was in 05. Maybe that's what she meant when she mentionned Panish would cross examin her.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I hate to say it but I'd love to hear that part of the tape, if it exists. I'm so sick of the Jacksons supporter on Twitter and Facebook calling some of us names because some us attack them by calling them greedy, reckless and heartless and smash them in the face with Michael's own words. That's why I hate it to say it because I'm aware it was in his most vulnerable state of mind.

 

[jamba]

that's funny

my bet for Murray's next cover :

no offence intended, I think OMD's song is great & has a great message, but I couldn't help thinking about it when I heard of this "nuclear" threat.

Seriously, he has no chance for his appeal to succeed , IMO. He's exploiting the situation as much as he can.

How about he does a calypso song--"put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning"--"I said DOCTOR!"


(sorry if I offend anyone with my little joke)

 

[jamba]

your responses are dismissive, combative, and rude to me as well as to others who disagree with your thoughts.


I would say that goes for you, too, Tygger, at least you have attacked me for simply stating an opinion different from yours and you even accused me of making 'assumptions' about you, which I never did. Go figure.

 

[serendipity]

If Katherine had agreed to restitution and Judge Pastor had issued a Restitution Order/Fine which would not expire and would not be dischargeable in bankruptcy, any money Murray makes on the inevitable book deals, paid interviews, etc. would be attached by court order. That may not help the Jacksons fill the family coffers with a serious amount of money, but it handcuffs Murray for the rest of his life and that's something.



I've noticed you are big on sourcing, so I'm curious how you know that Murray's appeal lawyer was a guest of the defense team or which lawyers are helping with Murray's appeal?

FYI - this is what Murray was threatening Jacksons with

It was a breathtaking moment at the manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray. The court listened to a barely coherent Michael Jackson, apparently stoned on medication, says he never had a childhood in an explosive tape recording just played in court.

Jackson said, "My performances will be up there helping my children and always be my dream. I love them. I love them because I didn't have a childhood. I had no childhood. I feel their pain. I feel their hurt. I can deal with it."

"You okay?" Murray asked.

"I am asleep," Jackson said.

It's a previously unheard portion of that same recording of Michael Jackson that has already shocked the world. Jackson said, "When people leave this show, when people leave my show, I want them to say, 'I've never seen nothing like this in my life.' "

The explosive tape recording was made six weeks before Michael Jackson died. Dr. Murray recorded the conversation on his iPhone and forensic experts were later able to retrieve it.

The King of Pop can also reportedly be heard on the tape calling his own family "greedy" and "uncaring," and says he felt he was being used for money by the Jackson family.

"This is going to be the ugliest part of the trial for the Jackson family because first, they have to hear Michael Jackson in this woozy, incoherent state, and then they have to hear him say not-so-nice things about them, and that's got to be so difficult to hear this knowing that this man has passed away and there's no way to heal whatever he said or find closure with that," says HLN's Jane Velez-Mitchell.

http://www.insideedition.com/headli...cking-recording-of-incoherent-michael-jackson

I think Murray has recording(s) like this and will likely sell them when he gets out.

 

[HIStory]

I think Murray has recording(s) like this and will likely sell them when he gets out.

It's nothing Earth shaking though. We know Michael's opinion about his family at least since the Glenda tapes or the Moonwalk tapes.

 

[Soundmind]

I reread Putnam opening statement , never once he mentioned MJ suffered from insomnia ,he gave the impression MJ was running everywhere trying to get his fix of propofol for the sake of getting high , none of his regular doctors knew about propofol then in the next phrase he listed them all as targets he sought to get his fix from . So far three doctors has testified, one from 1993 , Metzeger and the third from 2001-2002 . none of them gave a testimony as damaging as Putnam claimed they would in his opening statement .

Everything is revolving around the years 2001 and 2002 . He makes it seem an ongoing issue for decades when pretty much most of the doctors he mentions are from that period .

Never in my whole life I heard about an addict who would get his fix once every couple of years. According to Putnam , MJ asked a doctor for propofol once in 200XX and in 2XXX he asked another one for propofol . OK what about the remaining 363 days of the year ? unbelievable .

I'm not denying MJ used propofol .However, why , when is very important . Due to lack of evidence to support his argument about propofol's ddiction he had to claim mj's real motive to get cosmetic procedures was to get his fix . How many cosmetic procedures did he get over the last decade ? every other day he was getting procedures to get his fix because an addict needs his fix regularly not once every couple of years .

We can't trust any word he said , it's apparent he was twisting everything to fit his argument .

 

[Justthefacts]

And none of you have a problem with illegal recorded conversations. He killed Michael but hey let's listen to there conversations because Michael trashed the family

 

[marebear]

Recording Michael like that was wrong and Michael would be horrified to know Murray did that. If he only knew what Murray was doing to him.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

I'm just afraid Puntnan portrays Michael as a big time drug addict, freakier more than Panish already did. The only ones I care if Puntnan tries to throw them under the bus are Michael and the children, the rest of the Jacksons, including Katherine can go the f*ck off!

 

[bouee]

How about he does a calypso song--"put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning"--"I said DOCTOR!"


(sorry if I offend anyone with my little joke)

LOL ! I just listened to it, and yes, especially the "oooh ooh" part... perfect for an Oprah show.

 

[Soundmind]

And none of you have a problem with illegal recorded conversations. He killed Michael but hey let's listen to there conversations because Michael trashed the family

Who said that ? I don't need to listen to him trashing them , I know how he felt about them very well , his will speaks volume , the jury needs to know that Randy , Jermaine , Rebbie and the rest of them are greedy liars , he kept his distance from them for very valid reasons , they were there to leach on him not to intervene .

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

And none of you have a problem with illegal recorded conversations. He killed Michael but hey let's listen to there conversations because Michael trashed the family

Yes, that bastard Conrat recorded Michael without his consent but Walgreen used that recording against him in the trial and it was effective.

 

[ivy]

Another point the jacksons were making, and the most important one IMO, Katherine said it best "they watched him waste away and did nothing". Instead they kept pressuring for rehearsals and involved Murray in the process.

I believe that's AEG's problem now, they can't attack this particular argument, because it's true.

I believe their counter argument is that they immediately set up a meeting but was told both by Michael and Murray he was okay. The next time they saw him , he seemed fine.

And that was Murray's defense , so no need to say that is somewhat minimising Murray's role and helping him. They seem to forget that his defense was demolished during his trial, confirmed by Dr Schnoll.

AEG's defense is indeed what Murray tried to do but could not do. If you remember Murray wanted to bring in all the doctors from Michael's past and argue that Murray was just the doctor who happened to be treating Michael when he overdosed. Remember what Dr. Finkelstein said about Dr. Forecast did not want to be responsible for something some other doctor started ( meaning some doctor gets Michael addicted to a certain medicine and the next doctor has to deal with that dependency and requests).

The difference this time , as this is a civil trial AEG can go back to bring all the doctors they want and as I said , it's because of responsibility argument. They are hoping that the jury would think this would Michael's choice and responsibility and AEG just happened to be around when Michael died.

And by the way, about those invoices, was it a secret ? How did they end up in Michael's lawyer's hands, and he discussed them with Phillips ? Did he try to hide his visits there ?

he sent the invoices to be paid. However the invoices only list IM - which stands for intra muscular shot. The contents would have been anyone's guess at that time. But now that we have seen Klein's records they were demerol shots.

And, just my opinion, if it's true she did not ask Michael's kids before starting this lawsuit, then that's unforgivable. I sincerely hope the kids will impeach her on that and say that they wanted this.

judge ruled that kids motives about this lawsuit cannot be asked. They are minors, Katherine filed the lawsuit as their guardian whether they had a choice or whether they agree or disagree with the lawsuit is irrelevant.

Never in my whole life I heard about an addict who would get his fix once every couple of years. According to Putnam , MJ asked a doctor for propofol once in 200XX and in 2XXX he asked another one for propofol . OK what about the remaining 363 days of the year ? unbelievable .

I'm pretty sure all the doctors coming forward are the ones that denied Michael's requests. I don't see any doctor coming forward and saying "yeah I gave it to him". (Perhaps Ratner because I don't think he has an active licence anymore due to unrelated fraud case)

 

[LastTear]

@ABC7Courts: Cahan: MJ knew he had a Narcan implant and chose not to disclose it. He stopped breathing for 5 minutes in the middle of the procedure.

@ABC7Courts: Cahan said it goes to the issues of life expectancy, addiction issue, concealment of drug use.

@ABC7Courts: Judge is overruling the objection since she thinks it's been offered for the truth and it's hearsay. Defendants not allowed to use it.

I would imagine this is quite a blow for AEG

NB In case I confuse people the above was discussed outside of jury presence.

 

[marebear]

It doesn't bother me if some guy thinks Celine is bigger than Michael. I think even Celine would not agree with that as well. She has done very well for herself and she respected and loved Michael and he felt the same towards her. I think Michael is bigger because not just because of his numbers and achievements but his cultural impact on the world. It's something rare and special.

 

[ivy]

@ABC7Courts: Judge is overruling the objection since she thinks it's been offered for the truth and it's hearsay. Defendants not allowed to use it.

contradictory statement. Assuming Panish is the one that objected, judge will have to sustain his objection if she's not allowing AEG to use it.

 

[LastTear]

^^^^ I did wonder about that but as they quote the judge stating it is hearsay I was thinking it must not be allowed.

 

[Vici]

Debbie Rowe on twitter:

Painted Desert Ranch ?@DJRJPDR
@Krystalroz I was subpoenaed I'm nor testifying FOR anyone they called me Panish will cross examine I'm already stressed out

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Interesting that doctor mentioned that narcan implant. I don't remember reading about it on the autopsy but I agree it'd be a blow off for AEG. On a side note, :wtf2 what the doctor said about Michael's nose! Some dermatologists discussed publicly is common patients with discoid lupus suffer from insomnia and it was stated in the autopsy he didn't have a missing or prostetic nose.

 

[bouee]

I believe their counter argument is that they immediately set up a meeting but was told both by Michael and Murray he was okay. The next time they saw him , he seemed fine.

Yes, and we know how it happened. We know what kind of info Phillips had that day- all the e mails from Kenny, Houghdal, Branca, etc..- We know what and who Phillips was really worried about - the shows being cancelled & Ortega quitting- We read what he sent to Ortega , explaining that they had checked Murray, he was a great doctor who did not need this gig...
Not really helpful IMO. That's when Murray says he was pressured by Phillips (he's next to skid row, i'm paying for the kids popsicles and toilet paper, etc.. still according to Murray).

AEG's defense is indeed what Murray tried to do but could not do. If you remember Murray wanted to bring in all the doctors from Michael's past and argue that Murray was just the doctor who happened to be treating Michael when he overdosed. Remember what Dr. Finkelstein said about Dr. Forecast did not want to be responsible for something some other doctor started ( meaning some doctor gets Michael addicted to a certain medicine and the next doctor has to deal with that dependency and requests).

The difference this time , as this is a civil trial AEG can go back to bring all the doctors they want and as I said , it's because of responsibility argument. They are hoping that the jury would think this would Michael's choice and responsibility and AEG just happened to be around when Michael died.

Do you think a jury would have exonerated Murray if he had brought in all this ?

It's not the drugs that killed, it's how they were given. By a negligent doctor who used inadequate equimpent, failed to monitor his patient, was talking on the phone for 45 mn, and took 20 mn to call 911, lied to the paramedics, to the ER doctors, to the family, to his patient....and certainly to AEG too, and his own lawyers.
That's the same doctor who was taking care of Michael when his health visibly declined to the point he had a hard time eating with a fork and had to use his fingers, the same doctor who could not take care of nutrition, and could not do a planning for Michael's rehearsals.

visibly negligent & incompetent.

he sent the invoices to be paid. However the invoices only list IM - which stands for intra muscular shot. The contents would have been anyone's guess at that time. But now that we have seen Klein's records they were demerol shots.

yes but Phillips said Klein "scared him to death, he's shooting him up with something", didn't he ? We don't know how many time they saw that. So if that invoice was discussed with Phillips, was it Michael keeping it a secret ? Did they check the dates ? Was he afraid of them calling Klein ?
"Shoot him up with something" isn't "something" a drug of some kind ? AEG are not doctors, they are not supposed to guess WHAT drug it was. It's simply Phillips admitting there was a drug problem, in his opinion, at the time. So the "big secret" was discovered, wasn't it ? My point is that they are contradicting themselves. Their theory doesn't make any sense to me.

Lawyers have certainly seen testimonies from CM trial , they have their own deposition for this trial, they have seen Klein records and invoice. They are still using that - or at least seem to be- even though they know it's easily contradicted. I call that desperate.

The easiest defense would be to blame Murray, but that's even more difficult now, in their position.

judge ruled that kids motives about this lawsuit cannot be asked. They are minors, Katherine filed the lawsuit as their guardian whether they had a choice or whether they agree or disagree with the lawsuit is irrelevant.

I think that's very important, they are the most important people in this now. It's a huge stress, I hope they agreed to it, it seems to me that it's the least a mother/guardian should do before starting such a thing.
Their motives might be legally irrelevant, but Katherine's actions are not, from what I understood. It's not questionning their motives to ask if they agreed or not, they can just say yes or no. That answer was a mistake on Katherine's part.

I'm pretty sure all the doctors coming forward are the ones that denied Michael's requests. I don't see any doctor coming forward and saying "yeah I gave it to him". (Perhaps Ratner because I don't think he has an active licence anymore due to unrelated fraud case)

That's what I was saying yesterday when we were talki,ng about the medical board. Unless they are subpeonaed because of other witnesses testimonies. Such as Debbie for example, or maybe others.

 

[bouee]

@ABC7Courts: Cahan: MJ knew he had a Narcan implant and chose not to disclose it. He stopped breathing for 5 minutes in the middle of the procedure.

@ABC7Courts: Cahan said it goes to the issues of life expectancy, addiction issue, concealment of drug use.

@ABC7Courts: Judge is overruling the objection since she thinks it's been offered for the truth and it's hearsay. Defendants not allowed to use it.

I would imagine this is quite a blow for AEG

NB In case I confuse people the above was discussed outside of jury presence.

My understanding - I could be wrong- is that the judge did not allow AEG to mention a conversation Fournier had with Klein about the implant.

It's not very clear from the tweets I read , but my understanding is :

there was a problem during a procedure because of the narcan implant, Michael did not tell the nurse/doctor about it. But at some point the nurse/doctor had a conversation with Klein about it. That's the part the judge did not allow because of hearsay, the conversation with Klein.

EDIT :

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Judge is overruling the objection since she thinks it's been offered for the truth and it's hearsay. Defendants not allowed to use it.
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Cahan said it goes to the issues of life expectancy, addiction issue, concealment of drug use.
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Cahan: MJ knew he had a Narcan implant and chose not to disclose it. He stopped breathing for 5 minutes in the middle of the procedure.
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Cahan said the relevance is that Fournier asked MJ about changes from prior treatment.
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Panish asked what the relevance is, said defendants are trying to introduce character evidence, which has nothing to do with this case.
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Cahan: That continues until he realizes there's a reaction to Narcan implant.
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Cahan: He's administered anesthesia, MJ stopped breathing for 5 minutes, Fournier had to breath for him
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Bina said Fournier didn't know what to do, he asked the doctor and changed the treatment. She said MJ admitted he had an implant after.
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Judge asked sides to research if the conversation would be considered exception to the hearsay rule.
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Panish said this was in 2003. He claims it's character evidence, that MJ never disclosed it to the nurse. He also claims to be hearsay.
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'Oh, he has a Narcan implant,' Dr. Klein allegedly told Fournier, who then directs Fournier how to treat MJ.
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Fournier is performing anesthesia in MJ, there's a situation that arises, Kathryn Cahan said.
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Nurse and anesthetist David Fournie had conversation with Dr. Klein and defendants want to introduce that conversation in the testimony.

apparently , still my understing that could be wrong- panish objected to the whole story- his objection is overruled, but the part with Klein is hearsay.
So if that's so, the blow is for the Jacksons, IMO.

 

[Soundmind]

I believe their counter argument is that they immediately set up a meeting but was told both by Michael and Murray he was okay. The next time they saw him , he seemed fine.



AEG's defense is indeed what Murray tried to do but could not do. If you remember Murray wanted to bring in all the doctors from Michael's past and argue that Murray was just the doctor who happened to be treating Michael when he overdosed. Remember what Dr. Finkelstein said about Dr. Forecast did not want to be responsible for something some other doctor started ( meaning some doctor gets Michael addicted to a certain medicine and the next doctor has to deal with that dependency and requests).

The difference this time , as this is a civil trial AEG can go back to bring all the doctors they want and as I said , it's because of responsibility argument. They are hoping that the jury would think this would Michael's choice and responsibility and AEG just happened to be around when Michael died.




he sent the invoices to be paid. However the invoices only list IM - which stands for intra muscular shot. The contents would have been anyone's guess at that time. But now that we have seen Klein's records they were demerol shots.




judge ruled that kids motives about this lawsuit cannot be asked. They are minors, Katherine filed the lawsuit as their guardian whether they had a choice or whether they agree or disagree with the lawsuit is irrelevant.



I'm pretty sure all the doctors coming forward are the ones that denied Michael's requests. I don't see any doctor coming forward and saying "yeah I gave it to him". (Perhaps Ratner because I don't think he has an active licence anymore due to unrelated fraud case)

Who gave it to him but Ratner as a sleep aid before Murray ? No one . That's why AEG's lawyers claiming the cosmetic procedures were only done to get propofol . He will bring all the doctors who gave him propofol during surgeries to claim that was continuous , he was getting propofol regularly . then an addiction expert will come to confirm what he said in his opening statement regarding addiction to propofol , and surgeries being used as an excuse to get his fix

 

[Soundmind]

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 19m
Panish said this was in 2003. He claims it's character evidence, that MJ never disclosed it to the nurse. He also claims to be hearsay.
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'Oh, he has a Narcan implant,' Dr. Klein allegedly told Fournier, who then directs Fournier how to treat MJ.

Wont be surprised if someone testifies Klien removed the implant . -_-