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Soundmind said:
When my mother took 6 mg of lorazepam she thought everyone was going to kill her including myself ! After being injected with 20 mg of lorazepam his accusations should have been taken with a grain of salt . Paranoia is very common with excessive use of lorazeam .the jury will get to hear all that from experts .
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I agree. Why take Michael's children seriously? I guess AEG winning is all that matters. I suppose Randy Phillips slapping Michael is ok too.
 
I would not take anything seriously coming from someone who was being injected with 20 mg of lorazepam even if it was my beloved MJ. Did anyone tell prince paranonia is a very common symptom of lorazepam ? I bet not .
Randy phillips slapping him on his butt to encourage him to go and WOW everyone was nothing compared to Randy Jackson crushing his car into mj's gates while threating he would go to tablloids if he did not get what he wanted which he did eventually.

We did our homework very well, using lawsuits to shakedown people will not be supported by me, the jacksos are as greedy and immoral as were the chandlers and arvizos, period .
 
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Soundmind said:
I would not take anything seriously coming from someone who was being injected with 20 mg of lorazepam even if it was my beloved MJ. Did anyone tell prince paranonia is a very common symptom of lorazepam ? I bet not .
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Do you know exactly what dates the phonecalls took place that Michael said that?
 
Thanks Soundmind about that info regarding paranoia related to Lorazepam. I did a google search on it and it is true.
It so frightening that CM used it with other meds too, and I got so angry again that he doesn't have to pay any restitution.
For someone who loves flashy cars, flashy women, flashy houses, flashy holidays etc, and if he was NEVER been able to get those things, it would have been at least small punishment insted of no punishment at all.
 
No, neither you nor prince . How ironic that mj thought AEG were trying to kill him but was praising murray all the time. Seriously , why murray was prosecuted ? Using your logic regardless of all the drugs involved MJ's words are what should matter. Well, MJ said Aeg were trying to kill him , he also said he was fine when confronted , he also said murray was great . So ?
 
Soundmind said:
No, neither you nor prince . How ironic that mj thought AEG were trying to kill him but was praising murray all the time. Seriously , why murray was prosecuted ? Using your logic regardless of all the drugs involved MJ's words are what should matter. Well, MJ said Aeg were trying to kill him , he also said he was fine when confronted , he also said murray was great . So ?
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So if we don't know the dates how can you know exactly what drug was in Michael's system at the time?
 
StellaJackson said:
One of the things that sticks in my mind most is the testimony from Prince where he said that Michael would come off the phone from AEG in tears and say that "they are going to kill me."
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Michael Jackson thought like the Barnum and Bailey Circus, 'the Greatest Show on Earth.' This would add to his stress level, too. AEG Live was paying the bills of the production costs. AEG Live and Michael Jackson both agreed on the eighty minutes and then the Show just grew. Kenny Ortega did talk about his AM phone calls from Michael Jackson, concerning the production, changes he wanted to make to the Show. In hindsight, I wished Michael had kept the Show to 80 minutes, even if fan's were going to make disparaging remarks about it all. It was so close to completion. I can see the 2 weeks before Michael died, the fan's helping with their codes to get the additional tickets that were added to the 02 Show's at the 02 Arena in London. It was a spectacular spectacle, a feast for the eyes!



Uploaded on Mar 26, 2009 Michael Jackson - Official video for the o2 Arena concerts in London
 
virginia_woolf said:
^ Well, I don't believe she is this naive old woman. Her history says something different.
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Katherine is not naive. :nono: She makes naive. -_- She is very smart. :fear:


All these stories of Katherine does not convince me :blink: .... is fact that she and the rest of the family had no idea what was going on in Michael's life. They were not close to him in recent years. :unsure:
 
Bubs said:
"We're done for the day in Katherine Jackson vs AEG Live. Mrs. Jackson testified for about 10 mins before judge recessing for the weekend."

Hopefully she rests a lot during the weekend so she can manage more than 10 min defences questioning.
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"He didn't talk much about his insomnia, Mrs. Jackson said. He couldn't sleep at all at night when he was at home."

What I don't understand that she knew he had bad case of insomnia for years, why as a mother did she not think that she could seek professional help for Michael. She blames AEG for not getting help for MJ what he needed, but she didn't do anything either.
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"Mrs. Jackson: At time time to me Michael looked ok. Later, I saw he was thin, he was dressed in jacket and all, I didn't notice he was thin."

Maybe that was the reason that AEG didn't noticed either? After enough alarm was raised, then the talk started getting nutrionist etc on board.
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"Panish: Did he give you gifts?
Mrs Jackson: All the time. He gave me everything, the necessities of life, gifts, cars, jewelry, mobile homes
Panish: Did he give you money?
Mrs. Jackson: Yes, cash. Michael never wrote checks"

I find it funny that Havenhurst was in the brink of foreclosure, she didn't use that money to pay bills or mortage, and if she didn't have money that time, why didn't she sell some of her cars or jewelry?
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That is odd and it goes against what she said about her and MJ being close.
Jurors have some thinking to do whether to think she is believable or not after that.
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She said he was joking when he said he didn't want to do the Moonwalk at age 50. "He used to think that 50 was really old."

Damage control, after her deposition was made public and what she said went against calculations of future earnings.
By the time MJ was 50, he had worked for more than 40 years, so I can understand MJ wanted less to do when he got older have worked hard all of his life.
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Mrs. Jackson said she didn't think her son could do 50 shows every other night as was planned. She called Randy Phillips and Dr. Tohme.

I want to hear more about that.
Btw, I want to hear if she called to Michael too, after all he was the one she thought schedule was too much.
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Mrs. Jackson said Paris was looking for a special heart. She found a broken heart, hung one part in Michael's neck and she put on the other.

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"I heard stories and I heard from my grandson he was being pressured, that he was asking for his father, that Joe would know what to do."
Mrs. Jackson: My son was sick and Kenny Ortega said nobody gave him a cup of tea. Nobody said call the doctor, let's see what's wrong w/ him
Mrs. Jackson said it was hard for her to be sitting here in the courtroom and listening people "call my son a freak, saying he is lazy."
"This week I had to listen how broke his was, he didn't take a dime home," Mrs. Jackson said
"Why he didn't take a dime home? Because he was giving it to charity."
Mrs. Jackson: It hurts to seat here in court and hear how sick my son was and no one was trying to help him.
Putnam then asked: But the witnesses called were by your attorney, right? Mrs. Jackson responded yes.

Ouch! KJ is crying and moaning about what witnesses had said about her son, then comes Putnam and says it was her side decision to call those people to talk about the way they talked.
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Putnam asked about Dr. Murray: "My son needed another doctor, a real doctor," Mrs. Jackson said.
Mrs. Jackson: The doctor was for his children but I didn't know who he was. Later I heard it was Dr. Murray.

Has she not read the contract in which it said CM was to provide services to MJ, not his kids?
Certainly over 4 gallons of propfol wasn't for kids.
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If you can get all these points from her tiny testimony can you imagine what else you will find after Monday. Hopefully she really stays on the stand this time. Notice first Michael looked OK, but then later he was thin, but he was dressed in Jacket and she did not notice. Notice the contradiction there. If he was dressed in jacket and she did not notice, how she knew he was thin. I am surprised no one commented on it but then she turned those eyes to the judge and said she couldn't go on. OK. Not to mention after he died she claimed she saw him and he was Ok, not sick, and on and on; as soon as she filed the case the story changed to he was shaky, etc.

Anyone noticed that Katherine was "curt" to Putnam at a point & not wanting to answer him. If they keep her longer on the stand she might show up some more of her true nature. It reminds me of the time TMez made that kid mad which brought out the kid's true character, so that when TMez really began to ask him those tough questions no one would say "oh he is asking such questions of a pure little kid." Now Putnam has to ask questions slowly and loudly so that Katherine can
hear and understand. We are to believe that this 80+ person, who can't remember a lot of things, who gets tired in the afternoon, thought up this case all by herself. Yeah right. By the way didn't TMez say he referred Panish to her, and didn't Mez let slip many times in reference to this case the word "the family." Now Katherine, who found the best religion, does not mind a few lies here and there. I guess she brought in the religion part for a particular reason. Now we are to believe that she was the master behind this filing.

So the case was filed because Katherine wants to know the truth about her son's death. I thought we found out this before and sent muarry to jail. Now if she said she wanted to know how AEG staff treated, wrote about, or talked about Michael then I can understand, but I still have not found out from this case anything about Michael's death. Her words sounds similar to Randy's.

She is upset about the lazy and freak remark. At least these are the ones she referenced as causing her pain. I agree that those are horrible, but to me those are not the worse things shown by her side so far. I find it worse, the plaintiffs depiction of Michael. People call individuals names all the time, but when they go into your inner world and throw to the public all your private details then those are more hurtful to me. Depicting my son as an addict, unable to engage in his craft (dance, sing, remember), having no money, can't afford food for his kids to eat, having a behind that is all scarred up, being loopy, crying, scared, shaky, etc., is more hurtful that some fools calling him names.
 
Prince testified the following in relation to: "they are trying to kill me"
Q now, did you ever see your father on the phone become upset?
A a lot of times.
Q do you know who he was speaking with?
A it changed. Most of the time it was randy Phillips or Dr. Tohme, from what I know. Or he had just gotten off the phone, and someone must have told him something about them.
Q so when your father got off the phone, did his demeanor -- how was his demeanor?
A he would get off the phone. He would cry sometimes. And after he got off the phone with them, he would cry.
Q was he upset?
A yes. He would say, "they're going to kill me.They're going to kill me."
Q when your father was getting off the phone and crying, did he say something immediately while he was crying?
A yes, he would.
Q did he say who he was referring to?
A when I asked him who, he said AEG. live, Randy Phillips, mostly, and then he said Dr. Tohme.

He is talking about 2 people here. We are not going to know why MJ said "they are going to kill me" after those phone calls, but I would like to point out this bit of Prince's testimony:

Q did you consider your father to be a fighter?
A no. My dad didn't fight. He was like my grandma. He was too kind to fight anybody. That's why he called my grandpa.

Prince talks when they were living in Bel Air hotel Michael got in a fight with Tohme on the phone and he tried to fire Tohme. Prince says Michael yelled and cursed at Tohme. Prince says, he and Paris applauded Michael because they did not like being around Tohme because he gave a bad energy and he made Michael upset. Prince says to his knowledge Bel Air was the last time Michael talked to Tohme.
 
Does anybody else is bothered how some fans try to justify this trial and KJ with "how could you attack and hate Michael's mother if he loved her so much"? :no:
If some of us attack her is because money has been more a priority than Michael or the children. Allowing both sides throwing him under the mud is not telling the truth! :angry:
 
StellaJackson said:
So if we don't know the dates how can you know exactly what drug was in Michael's system at the time?
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and how can a jury figure out whether he was clean when he made that statement considering they found three bottles of lorazepam in his room , not to mention the vials which were ordered as early as april , add to that the huge amounts found in his system , the symptoms observed by many , all of that should not be taken into consideration but billions of dollars should be awarded to the jacksons on the assumption that HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLEAN THAT DAY when he made that statement, really ?

was he under the influence when he praised his proven killer ? Nope , that's a fact , he was praising him in March and April .

Someone asking me to honor my commitment by coming to rehearsal after both I and my doctor assured him I'm fine as hell is accused of trying to kill me but the doctor who was injecting me daily with God knows what , who's treatment caused me to lose considerable weight , who's treatment made me hallucinate is considered great , I hurry to his defense , never miss any opportunity to praise him , that's makes perfect sense, right ?

Murray was great because MJ said so ? No
AEG were killing him because he said so ? NO
 
Bubs I like the idea of Michael cussing Thome. I wonder what that sounded like. He would have used his big voice.

When Michael said they are going to kill me, I wonder if some take that literally? Now his business partner and "manager" calls him on the phone. the current deal is a residency tour and rehearsals. So, what would upset Michael here? It most likely has something to do with disagreements about things like (a) rehearsals; (b) his physical state; (c) budget. Prince did not say what he heard Michael say at his end. That would have been very helpful.
 
Petrarose said:
Bubs I like the idea of Michael cussing Thome. I wonder what that sounded like. He would have used his big voice.

When Michael said they are going to kill me, I wonder if some take that literally? Now his business partner and "manager" calls him on the phone. the current deal is a residency tour and rehearsals. So, what would upset Michael here? It most likely has something to do with disagreements about things like (a) rehearsals; (b) his physical state; (c) budget. Prince did not say what he heard Michael say at his end. That would have been very helpful.
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or he could have meant it like football fans say about when his team is losing, "they are killing me". It could be anything but I cannot take it literally, not after reading to the whole testimony from Prince.
First he says Michael didn't fight, and in the very next question he says Mj got in fight, so which is it? Fighter or not fighter?
I said it earlier already but there was funny things going on Prince's testimony, but I wait and see what is coming.

That phonecall should have been recorded. To hear Michael shouting and cursing would have been gold record:)
 
Bubs said:
or he could have meant it like football fans say about when his team is losing, "they are killing me". It could be anything but I cannot take it literally, not after reading to the whole testimony from Prince.
First he says Michael didn't fight, and in the very next question he says Mj got in fight, so which is it? Fighter or not fighter?
I said it earlier already but there was funny things going on Prince's testimony, but I wait and see what is coming.

That phonecall should have been recorded. To hear Michael shouting and cursing would have been gold record:)
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Oh my goodness, I would pay for that phone call. Yes I notice that he made a connection between Michael and Katherine. I heard Katherine say before that Michael was like her, e.g., shyness. She also talked about them looking at the same tv programs, like the needy children, and they both cried. Actually I think Katherine was reserved with the public prior to the allegations. I remember looking at tv at one of the award shows, and he tried to get her to go up on stage and she would not go. In those days she stayed in the background. I think she was compelled to make a public statement after the first allegations, although I don't think Michael liked her doing that. The first time she spoke was an eye opener.
 
StellaJackson said:
I agree. Why take Michael's children seriously? I guess AEG winning is all that matters. I suppose Randy Phillips slapping Michael is ok too.
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I suspect you never had a stressful job or were involved in big project which completion has to meet deadline. I will tell you something: many of my employees are screaming "you are going to kill me". I yell a lot when the deadline is close to make people work harder. They have choice, they can quick any time if they don't like the job. I'm hiring an adult, talented and creative people and I demand full dedication, responsibility and honesty from them. So far no one took me to the court for my behavior at work. We all cry a lot because of exhaustion and stress but in the end we usually cry happy tears. It was the same in relationship between Michael and AEG. In every field it takes "blood, sweat and tears" if you want achieve something great. And we all are "killing" each other because we are ambitious and driven.
However nobody ever is responsible for the action of people during their private time in their private quarters. Blaiming AEG for Murray's and Michael's activities " after hours" in Michael's private quarters is the most stupid thing in this terrible tragedy.
 
Bubs said:
^^I'm sure we will hear some ugly stuff sooner than later, but haven't we heard some ugly and Michael's private stuff already?
Plaintiffs presented their case first and I did not miss the photos of MJ bedroom that they brought in the court room, nor did I miss they said Mj was addict/dependant/emaciated who was so clueless that he could not say yes or no to anyone, a man who has no say who should be his personal doctor, nor did I miss Karen email saying that MJ has tendency sabotaging his tours if he didn't want to do them etc. To be honest, I cannot say that plaintiffs showed Michael in glowing light.

Putnam said it well
Putnam then asked: But the witnesses called were by your attorney, right? Mrs. Jackson responded yes.
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Yes you are right. The Jacksons lawyer didn't need to bring that out we saw the pictures of Michael bedroom we know he was addict/dependant/emaciated that was all in the Murray trial. I was there fri in court in LA in the overflow when Karen said that and she also said how she even try to get Michael old cook to come back and cook for him because she was so concern that Michael was not eaten she was concern about his health and his weight.


It is going to be differance when AEG come up. This is going to be the story of Michael Jackson life. With saying that i just hope the jury can focus on the facts in this case.
 
TheChosenOne said:
It is truly scary to contemplate what AEG will have to say, considering what the side that was allegedly fighting FOR Michael had to say!

A part of me still hopes that some focus will be given to the greed, lies and manipulations of some members of the Jackson family and that the media picks up on those stories. But that may paint Michael in a sympathetic light and we can't have that, can we?
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I wish the media would pick up on those stories, but in my opinion, it won't happen. Because none of the other family members are as remotely fascinating as Michael and no one would care about or read those stories.
 
I don't think Michael was stating they were literally trying to murder him. When he said "they are goign to kill me" In context of the times he made those statements it very well seems like its a figure of speech from being over worked over stressed tired etc. as in "They are driving me too hard" He made a similar statement to kai chase and I believe she stated she didn't take it as literal but that he was complaining of being over worked. Michael was rehearsing very hard said Kai Chase and even went as far as to say to Kai that “they are killing me”

Plus I doubt very much Michael would worry his own child Prince by telling him the people he worked for are trying to murder him and then do nothing about it .. He said it after a conversation with RF on the phone. I doubt very much Randy said we are going to kill you. He was more than likely on Michael about not attending the rehearsals or meetings ect... So Michael feeling over taxed already was upset and made the statement. "They are trying to kill me" I think we should keep his statement in context of when it was said. IMO He wasn't being paranoid. he just felt over taxed over worked and was upset and complaining about it.

To make it more than that is really stretching IMO.

CONTEXT
1.The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

2.The parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
 
elapentela said:
I suspect you never had a stressful job or were involved in big project which completion has to meet deadline. I will tell you something: many of my employees are screaming "you are going to kill me". I yell a lot when the deadline is close to make people work harder. They have choice, they can quick any time if they don't like the job. I'm hiring an adult, talented and creative people and I demand full dedication, responsibility and honesty from them. So far no one took me to the court for my behavior at work. We all cry a lot because of exhaustion and stress but in the end we usually cry happy tears. It was the same in relationship between Michael and AEG. In every field it takes "blood, sweat and tears" if you want achieve something great. And we all are "killing" each other because we are ambitious and driven.
However nobody ever is responsible for the action of people during their private time in their private quarters. Blaiming AEG for Murray's and Michael's activities " after hours" in Michael's private quarters is the most stupid thing in this terrible tragedy.
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Oh yes i hear you have been there. i was in the schools system for 31yr and yes we had deadlines that we had to meet and there was alot of time that i was so stress out but we work together and we got those deadline done.

I agree with you that a person private life in their home is nobody reponsible but there but outside in the public eyes that is a differance story in this case others ppls saw Michael and had a concern about his health and told AEG of there concern AEG should have shown some concern their work with Michael in the pass on tours so their knew Michael had a problem with drugs.

I like what a fan said in his post you have to remember what you said in the first place. When this trial started and the Jackson lawyer ask AEG about their emails their respone was i don't recall i don't remember if i said that things like that make you wonder if AEG is covering this up.
 
A few quick things cause I am on my phone.

Some of the things Katherine said didn't make sense to me. Like it was mentioned already her explanation about how she didn't notice MJ is thin because he was wearing jacket, but then says she did notice he was thin. Which is it?

Did Panish ask her about the last time she saw MJ, 11 days before he died?

Her comment about "other drugs" was odd.

Her explanation about being told about MJ abusing drugs and then seeing him appear fine and telling her he was fine is pretty much what the AEG folks are saying. She didn't do anything further, call a doctor or anything, just left it at that.

I saw a tweet, either from AP or ABC, I'll find and post it tomorrow, that says when her children told her to go and do an intervention she said she didn't want to do it. I thought that was interesting, why didn't she want to?

That thing about MJ asking for his father just sounds so made up to me. Who was he asking and why didn't he just pick up the phone if he needed his 80 y.o. senile father to do his business. I mean really. We do know Joe visited him at least 3 times and judging by Phillips' email about the ppv show he was still very much in contact with MJ right before he died. So I don't buy this he was asking for his father thing.

And finally, what happened to Frank Dileo's emails? The plaintiffs are resting and haven't mentioned them, seems they didn't find anything useful.

Ok that's all I can think of for now.
 
pminton said:
Oh yes i hear you have been there. i was in the schools system for 31yr and yes we had deadlines that we had to meet and there was alot of time that i was so stress out but we work together and we got those deadline done.

I agree with you that a person private life in their home is nobody reponsible but there but outside in the public eyes that is a differance story in this case others ppls saw Michael and had a concern about his health and told AEG of there concern AEG should have shown some concern their work with Michael in the pass on tours so their knew Michael had a problem with drugs.
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The thing is that AEG's option was to pull the plug. MJ already had a doctor of his choice that was working with him and he was getting worse. If AEG had insisted on him getting a doctor for him, then they still would have been in trouble. Promoters should not be choosing a person's physician. So the plug should have been pulled. Whether MJ wanted it to be or not. That was their option.
 
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I wish the media would pick up on those stories, but in my opinion, it won't happen. Because none of the other family members are as remotely fascinating as Michael and no one would care about or read those stories.
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You are so right nobody would read those stories.
 
That why the expert doctor said that AEG cause a problem with Murray and like the expert who also said that use to work in the record company said that AEG should not be the one getting the doctor it was the artist job to do. So anyway you look at it AEG was wrong i really believe AEG is cover this up and putting the blame on Michael.

That email that say remind Murray who is paying his salary not MJ he know what is except of him so clear. And with Phillips also saying you got it he hire.

Even their own company said their should have done a background check.

You do a background check on the person before you hiring them to see if their can do the job. With AEG saying their didn't hire Murray their said their didn't need to do one.
 
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However nobody ever is responsible for the action of people during their private time in their private quarters. Blaiming AEG for Murray's and Michael's activities " after hours" in Michael's private quarters is the most stupid thing in this terrible tragedy.
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That is the thing. It is the most ridiculous claim that AEG knew that Muarry was giving Michael prof each night or that they should have known. Who here knows what I did last night in my room, or the night before, or every night for the last 6 weeks? Even if I came here tomorrow and started writing sentences that made you think I was going crazy, you still would not know what I did last night or the other nights in my room. Even if I tell you I see a dr regularly, you still will not know what I did last night. What is happening is that everyone of those who claim AEG should have known what Muarry was doing, is using hindsight. Even Panish in some of his "Red Flag" examples uses hindsight.

By the way Panish started with a Red Flag theory, then as though he abandoned it; and then went back to it later on, and now I don't know what his theory is. He has witnesses who contradict other witnesses in his own case.

Serendipity good points. She didn't want to go to the intervention, because it was the one where they were begging Michael to do a concert.

I first heard about Michael crying for his dada when LaToya brought this up. Now who told her this? Was it the children? Did Michael mention something about his father, like when Jackie said they needed a Joe during the reality show when they couldn't come together and focus on a rehearsal? I can't see Michael calling for his dad to help him, when he made a decision years ago to keep his dad out of his business. Further, Michael talks about meeting with executives from the record company. He is 17 and sitting there with Joe and HE does most of the talking to make the deal. He also wrote that he knew he had to make a good deal because his family was depending on him. Therefore, regardless of all the stories we hear about the frail, shaky Michael calling for his dad, he knew how to make deals. He took charge, so why would he want his dad now? Maybe he wanted to say I Love You.
 
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Well AEG did say that it was going to get ugly and you were going to hear things about Michael Jackson that you have never heard before.


And the reason why Katherine was in the background is because Joe never let her be apart of this he always said to her this was Jacksons 5 business she should have been apart of this this was her dream too. She never knew where her kids were until Joe would call her and tell her where their are. It was shame that the fans knew where the Jackson 5 was going to be.
 
^Katherine married a man and knew what type of man he was. The issues about her not knowing where the J5 were and that she should be part of the business, she should take that up with Joe. I don't know what that has to do with this case though.

If AEG said they are going to get ugly, Panish has already gotten ugly. Unless some find what his witnesses have said about Michael pretty, and I am not talking about e-mails here. AEG cannot say anything worse than what has already been said. Michael cannot be made to seem more of an addict, poorer, weaker, more helpless than Katherine's witnesses have shown. AEG is not going to bring up e-mails that are worse than the ones Katherine side presented. They are not going to show a sicker Michael who they did not help, because that would weaken their case. They are going to show that Michael was secretive and did actions that he did not tell the public about, which of course is true and can be said for most of us in society.

They are going to show that they did not know what he was doing, that they found out after he died, that they tried to help and ran out of time.
 
^Well, that bullshiit Wade Robson did coincided with that statement AEG made if that lawsuit didn't stop the things would get ugly. Also what a "coincidence" The Mirror, Sunday People which are AEG supporters came up with the fake FBI files.

I even read some tweets of fans thanking Panish for presenting an accurate portrayal of Michael and I felt like SERIOUSLY!? :doh: :wtf2 Portraying him as a troublesome, freak, drug addict, sick, weak when the autopsy stated otherwise is an accurate one! They've got to be freaking kidding me! :rant:
 
pminton said:
That why the expert doctor said that AEG cause a problem with Murray and like the expert who also said that use to work in the record company said that AEG should not be the one getting the doctor it was the artist job to do. So anyway you look at it AEG was wrong i really believe AEG is cover this up and putting the blame on Michael. That email that say remind Murray who is paying his salary not MJ he know what is except of him so clear. And with Phillips also saying you got it he hire.
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Then why is that AEG did not pay the doctor if AEG was the one who hired the doctor? and why would they even need MJ signature?

Even their own company said their should have done a background check.

You do a background check on the person before you hiring them to see if their can do the job. With AEG saying their didn't hire Murray their said their didn't need to do one.
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Explain to me how a background check would have shown that Murray was incompetent for the job. He had four active clinics. He had no history of misconduct or incompetence. Plus he's been treating MJ kids for a while. and to compound matters, MJ insisted on having Murray as his own physician. how could AEG with these facts alone predict that Murray was going to kill MJ someday?
 
It's helpfull to me to follow Ivys quote to clear my mind... The red and blue is my thoughts on matters! I'd like to read others doing so also and would invite everybody to please correct me if I should be thinking wrong?!

ivy said:
10. Did Conrad Murray's unfitness or incompetence harm Michael Jackson?

Yes, it did, obviously!

If you answered no stop, if you answered yes go on to question 11

11. Was any of the defendants negligence in hiring Conrad Murray a substantial factor in causing plaintiffs harm?

AEG Live Yes, cuz Phillips is working for them! They did hire an incompetent unfit 'doctor'! (plus Phillips is on tape: So WE hired him! the reasons why are not really relevant! to me it's a yes/no option)
AEG Live Productions Yes, read above!
Gongaware Not proven to me yet. At least he seemed involved cuz he wanted to 'hire' Finkelstein better. The 'hiring' process was obviously ongoing. Of cuz they didn't pay him yet because that's probably in every company the same! The unit getting the money out has the ongoing rule without contract no money! However everybody were acting as if already and that's binding to me here!
Phillips Yes!!! (read my sig, he made it sound they hired him because they checked him out! he himself must have thought so and seemed to have at least felt the need to defend even the reasons why, although that was just another blatant lie! Plus he put pressure into the wrong direction on Murray 'put him on stage/to rehearsals, I don't care how you'll make it" although we'll never hear about that. Murray said so in the Anderson documentation on CNN, however his credibility is down the toilet! But in this thing I tend to believe him. In the Murray trial it was sadly but rightfully always ruled 'irrelevant' but Phillips got so nervous in the stand!!! in this trial we'll of cuz not hear more about it but I do believe Prince and what he saw and it fits the pic others do know so well about Phillips.)

It was AEG doing the hiring process. It was AEG negotiating with Murray. It was AEG the Murray guy sent his contract to without Michaels sig. It was all parties already acting accordingly to that he was hired (we'll tell him it's our money paying him! paraphrased not quoted). Murray was in AEGs book. (They try to make it look it was a mistake. I don't believe them.)

If you answered no stop, if you answered yes go on to question 12

12. Was Katherine Jackson dependent on Michael Jackson for the necessities of her life?

Yes

If you answered no, you must not award any damages for losses suffered by Katherine Jackson. you may still award damages to the remaining plaintiffs. If you said yes go on to question 13.

13. What do you find to be the total amount of damages , if any, suffered by plaintiffs?

Katherine Jackson: 0,01 $ (no damages as her life is ensured with Michaels last will and to me those losses she's wining about is only she can't support her 'cubs' anymore as she has to open books to the estate at least when they tell her to! however it's a regular income now while there is not even proof for any regular income from Michael when he was still alive!)

Michael Jacksons three kids: like stars in the sky maybe (if you ever get to an end with counting you'll still not be close) that loss can't be numbered.

If you answered $0 stop, otherwise go to question 14.

If you reached to this section you have determined one or more of the defendants is responsible for Michael Jackson's death. In this section you will determine whether any other persons are responsible for Michael Jackson's death and to what extent. Do not reduce the amount of damages you awarded in question 13 to account for any percentage of fault you award to other parties. Any needed reductions will be done by the court

14. Was Michael Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing his death?

No! He wished for AEG to hire a guy who he had probably thought was a responsible educated doctor. He couldn't know otherwise! Michael didn't study medicine!
If he would have been as determined as everybody (Murray in his trial, AEG in this trial) want to make him look, why hiring a doctor then at all? He could have hired an average Joe Doe monitoring him! You can get prescribed medicine also online easily etc. Michael however wanted a doctor or at least a well medical educated person (nurse Lee)! He probably thought also he would have been watched and wake up easily as he always did before! He wasn't just going for his next trip. Michael was looking for help.
Michaels big fault in this was his trust!
Ok I'm might too much into that professional field also! But it is a question of dignity! You just can't ever blame a patient for a doctors mistake! That alone makes him and everybody saying so an incredible dumb head to me surely not a doctor anymore but a danger to every patient!

Please go on question 15.

15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?

Yes / No
Can't judge or better don't wanna judge that yet, cuz it was only her side shown. I would certainly like to hear some more.
Her motives however to file this lawsuit are pretty clear. She revealed clearly she didn't even ask Michaels three kids if they want to get involved! That's not how you treat teens unless you're suffering deep (maybe only for your children) egoism!

Please go on question 16.

16. Please identify the percentage of the total negligence and fault for Michael Jackson's death was due to conduct of Michael Jackson, Katherine Jackson and each defendant you answered yes in question 11. The percentages must add to 100%.

Michael Jackson 0% (he wanted a doctor treating him)
Katherine Jackson____% (not judging that yet)
AEG Live 50 % (they hired an incompetent doctor)
AEG Live Productions 50 %
Gongaware .....% (can not really judge how much he knew)
Phillips 50 % (he lied to his own ppl and maybe even to himself, he didn't give all his knowledge to his own ppl, he is manipulative and dishonest obviously!)

Well I'd always give a 100% to the Murray guy!
As I do believe a good doctor always has the clear option to say no and not do a therapy he thinks is wrong!
But Murray wasn't and surely isn't a good doctor! Plus he was hired in this position to then do what he did!

Michael insisted on this doctor!
I'm likely to believe that. But that's just to me no free pass for responsiblity if it's you, who hires!
And that is maybe me being to much a professional but I am directly involved in hiring processes and if I hire I indeed do a check on everybody!
And yes I am someone believing if I find someone in such financial deep waters as the Murray guy was then I can't hire cuz I'd never hire someone 'independent' then unless of cuz I put the priority on that this person will follow my wishes easier?! And if someone is not easily seen as independent to me then I can PROVE my orders/supervision etc. whatever to this person better!
To not check is neglient! To lie about that you did without that you did, is being manipulative on the one hand and on the other dumb! Because you do this check also to protect your own company or at least the success of the project you're working on!
And also of cuz AEG is not responsible for what Michael did in his private chambers, however they are responsible for Murray acting there because (to me it's very clear) they hired him! They can't (or partly probably don't want) to prove what really were their directions towards him as we know there were phonecalls from Phillips to Murray and also their were meetings with Michael not even around. But this will stay secrets forever because on the one hand AEG can't prove what went on there and on the other hand they probably would like to make it look there were just talks about the weather or deny even it happened. But there were two meetings at least! There was the Murray guy making the scedule by THEIR order. And Prince saw another meeting with Michael not being around and I do believe him!
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