in one of judge's ruling , the judge stated that Murray's treatment / employment of Michael before AEG could be a factor in determining responsibility. and it may or may not be. It's just AEG was able to show that. And my understanding is Murray was given money by the kids during May - June 2009 as well. I understood Prince's testimony to say it started in Vegas and continued.
My understanding is that he did in may.
kids, housekeepers, nanny
did they live there ? My understanding, from Murray's trial, is that there was nobody in the house at night, except Michael & the kids, and security of course, but outside. The house was locked from inside, except maybe for the kitchen, right next to the security's caravan, so they could use the bathroom.
from Maw's testimony , Murray trial
According to MAW only MJ and his three children lived at Carrolwood on a continuous basis.
if someone was there that night - meaning before Michael came from rehearsals - it would have been mentioned during criminal trial. Also don't forget Michael traveled with 2 cars according to the testimony.
Look at the video, or read my post again : 1 car at 0:47 (not Michael, 1 car at 0:50 (not Michael) , 2 cars at 0:58 (Michael).
One car leaves at 01:06.
Sorry to say that, I don't mean this in a bad way, but since you say others twist your posts or misunderstand them... Well, that's exactly what you are doing.
This video comes from Murray's trial, so it was mentionned, they just never said who it was, because that person left the house at some point. I even found the video that was shown at Murray's trial, from the camera that was at the entrance gate. You can see that at 0:47 it's Murray, and at 00:58 it's Michael. The 00:50 driver is not shown.
But it must exist somewhere, so this can be cleared up I guess.
BUT , going thourgh MAW's testimony at Murray's trial , MAW said he dropped Michael off from rehearsals, then left Carolwood. So it could be his car that we see leaving Carlowood at 1:06. He came in Michael's car. In that case , we don't know when the 00:50 person left.
It's possible to mix contents of the conversations. For example he could call MJ to say Phillips at the house on June 16 and call MJ to ask what he wants for dinner on June 24. So he can remember he talked to him but mix the conversation topics.
Exactly. But why does it necessarily have to be Prince who was confused ?
It could be Putnam voluntarily created the confusion, or the journalists who got confused, since there were 2 incidents. Without seeing the depo clip AND the transcripts, it's impossible to tell one way or another.
Prince would not be confused about when he last talked to his dad, unless he was nervous on the stand and caught off guard.
Let me clarify it for the final time. As of now a few independent contractors - such as Payne and in the future probably Ortega - said they knew of sleep issues. Yet none of these people knew about Propofol or anesthesia. For example Payne going to the house and Michael saying "I could not sleep last night" doesn't mean Payne would be able to conclude "omg he's getting anesthesia at night". They couldn't and they didn't. Even people like Kai Chase who knew Murray was spending the night and saw oxygen tanks around could not and did not conclude it meant Murray hooked Michael to anesthesia every night.
Did I mention Travis, Ortega in my post ? I mentionned Phillips and Gongaware.
Even we agree that AEG was aware of Michael's sleep issues, we don't know if they were aware of severity of it or that Michael was taking Propofol / anesthesia to sleep.
That's exactly what I said.
They did not know the severity of his insomnia, they knew of sleep issues. What is a sleep issue then, according to you ? It is insomnia, what else can it be ? That's just splitting hair, IMO, and, again, no offence.
Negligent hiring is all about what AEG knew or should have known. Without knowing Propofol / anesthesia they could not conclude Murray was not competent to administer Propofol.
Propofol is AEG's defense. They're going to use it to trash Michael and hide behind "Michael was an adult, with many dark secrets", etc, etc, to try to get the jury to look the other way.
Of course AEG didn't know about it. Good Luck to the Jacksons to prove that.
If the issue was to show AEG knew exactly what Murray was doing, there would be no trial, because the Jacksons certainly have zero element to prove it.
It's about negligent hiring and supervising, AEG hired an incomepetent doctor, and they knew it, maybe not at the beginning, but after a while they did, and they kept him, in spite of Michael's health deteriorating at the very same time. And they pressured him.
"they knew in June" etc is not supported by the email exchanges. Similarly it doesn't seem like they suspected Michael's health was declining under Murray's care. Those emails mention a nutritionist - an expert/ specialist in nutrition, and a psychologist - a mental health expert : none of which is the specialty of Murray. 2 other instances Branca saying "could it be substance abuse" and Dileo's voicemail saying "give him a blood test and find out what he's taking" is suggestive of drug dependency - again not insomnia.
That really depends on WHICH e mails you read.
re bolded : they did not suspect Michael's health was declining ? Why all the meeetings with the doctor then ?
They SHOULD have seen the relation with Murray, that's the point, and it was easy to see. But instead , Phillips chose to believe Kenny was "hysterical", that Kenny's hysteria needed to be "kept in check" (when Kenny had worked with Michael for over 20 years), and Phillips ignored Houghdal who said "he was not being a drama queen and saw Michael's health deteriorating for 8 weeks".
So I see nothing to back up that they knew of serious chronic sleep issues , yet alone involvement of anesthesia / Propofol hence I don't think anyone was in a position to know or should have known to determine Murray's competency in administering anesthesia.
IMO, this is irrelevant to this trial. Again, it's AEG's defense.
I believe they said the role of the person was to remind Michael to eat and not decide on his nutrition. Ortega's other complaint was none of Michael's staff was offering him to food so that was another duty of this person. I think his "job" was just to ask Michael "do you want anything? food, snacks a drink" and bring those to him and remind him to eat. I believe you said you know cancer patients. I have seen family members trying to make people eat the food given by the nutritionist. It's the same.
That is twisting what I said, again, and taking what i said out of context.
The point was Murray could have done it (nutrition) and he did not, and AEG accepted that, since they looked for/hired people twice to deal with that.
Some argue that a nutritionnist is a specialised doctor, that's why I answered about the "food person" Phillips hired, which was going to Michael's house. This person was not a doctor.
Again, the point of nutrition is why did AEG accept Murray coud not do that, twice, after he agreed to do it ? What changed ? (after june 16th, and after jne 20th).
