Ah, I thought you meant they were forcing things/people on Michael.
I don't know to be honest, on one hand I see what you mean but on the other hand there were indications that all was not well so, yes, they did need to talk with the doctor, and he was supposed to be on hand whilst Michael was performing and he stated he was already treating Michael so really he should be at rehearsals.
No I don't think they imposed Murray, or anyone, except maybe the person Karen mentionned who was in Michael's dressing room (was it the food person or the physio, or both ?). This person was on his way to Michael's home on june 25th.
I have my doubts about how they made the deal with Michael (I mean, not taking care of the insurance themselves is weird to me, and doesn't sound very fair , as they were totally relying on Michael's assets), and hearing what we have been hearing I have doubts about the 19 extra shows now.
What I meant is that they imposed themselves on Murray.
Question: Was Michael STILL in the room when Murray got in Mr. Ortega's face and basically told him to "mind his own business?"
If you listen to what Kenny says, yes. That was the 1st thing that was said or almost, and both Kenny and Murray turned to Michael for clarification, not necessarily at the same time. Listen to it for yourself, my impression was that Kenny was implying (he did not actually say it), that it is possible Michael lied to Murray about what had happened the night before. You've got to wonder why, if that was so. Things are getting clearer, for me anyway.
2-Maybe it's just me, but comparing a doctor (Murray) to the household HELP (Kia Chase) is a stretch, to say the least.
3-Two things, in my opinion, AEG didn't have an opportunity to "have done something," because of timing. I mean, June 19th, June 20th - were there meetings on those 2 days? In my opinion, between let's say June 19th and when Michael actually died, was a very short period of time to SUGGEST something to the Artist, especially when the Artist said "I'm fine."
I'm comparing because Kai Chase did not have a contract with AEG, she was paid as an advance to Michael, she was not in the production costs, etc..
IMO, by june 15th, they had reasons to wonder why Murray was so incompetent, by june 20th, Phillips knew and saw enough to fire him (Murray) , IMO.
- To be clear Michael did not die from Demerol, it wasn't a direct cause and everyone agrees with it. However it's interactions with Propofol was what Murray tried to bring in during criminal trial and what Dr. Earley said.
- I checked drugs database to see interactions between demerol and propofol and it is listed as an moderate interaction with most common interaction being "breathing difficulty" at 26%. So breathing is more likely to stop when you take Demerol + Propofol than when you take Propofol alone. This could have been a factor that caused Michael to have respiratory arrest. The recommended solution is to "monitor" so as you can see even if Demerol contributed to the respiratory arrest , it was still Murray's fault that he wasn't monitoring Michael properly.
- Also fans have been suspicious of Klein for a long long time - yes even dating back to criminal trial - long before this AEG expert came along. The Demerol dosage was within maximum daily limits but on the high side. We cannot determine if there was an addiction or not, but it was suspicious.
- A lot of people - not only AEG execs- have said they saw Michael not quite right after his visits to Klein. Those people included not only the bodyguards but also the follower fans. We cannot determine if there was an addiction or not but there were visible signs to show he was somehow affected.
- Also for anyone that knows addiction or even giving up alcohol or smoking knows Klein's high dose Demerol doesn't make sense for Michael with known pain killer addiction history. Even after getting clean / stopping , there's a real good chance of relapse and people avoid those things totally. You don't see an alcoholic for example say "I can drink a small glass" or you don't see a person who stopped smoking say "1 cigarette , it'll be fine". Even those minimal exposure can cause a relapse. So addiction or not, Klein was playing a very dangerous game with those high levels of Demerol.
Re demerol : it was very clear after Waldman's testimony in CM's trial, that there was no addiction to demerol, he was not able to confirm it in spite of trying very hard. All he could say is that there was a tolerance, which is different, and that was the reason for the relatively high doses.
If Michael had been addicted to opioids, his visits to Klein would not have been enough, since that same expert, Waldman, said withdrawal started after 24 hours. He had no opioids whatsoever in his home, not even non opioids pain killers , like paracetamol or ibuprofen.
From memory , in June his visits to klein were early june , 9th june, 16th june 22nd june. So totally inconsistant with addiction, so also inconsistent with withdrawal, and inconsistant with interactions with propofol on june 24th/25th.
If there had been interactions with propofol , the coroner would have mentionned it.
That was part of Murray's defense, and it was blown at his trial.
I am also surprised to read this here after we talked it over and over during Murray's trial. Michael WAS clean before april 09.
