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NEW SONG - Akon feat. Michael Jackson "Hold my hand" [updates in post #1]

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I mean he isnt popular. People may like his old music, but he isnt popular now. I do not even know one MJ fan in real life, and i live in the USA in a real populated area. People respect his older days, but they see him as a joke now, which does make me mad, but its the reality of the matter.

i think all that will change once he starts making good music again, as he has obviously with this new song.
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i have to agree with justice on this, how can you say he isnt popular, just look at reactions to his appearnces and the sales of Thriller 25 (a 25 year old album)
 
sales of T25 have NO bearing on the amount of people who hve heard Hold My Hand via leak. T25 was out in stores, advertised, radio, tv, all that. hold my hand was out on youtube and fourms and blogs. blogs had it embeded, yes i know that. but the videos were removed quick smart before people even had a chance to listen to the embeded video. none of the main blogs embeded it eg. perez or tmz. radio (except a couple of stations) are not playing it.

the only people in AUSTRALIA who have heard this song are the people who subscribe to "google michael jackson" updates who managed to catch the embeded clip within 24 hours of it going online, or those who frequent these forums. i duno about the rest of the world but thats definately the case here!

and, youtube is a FREE, WORLDWIDE resource. the fact that in total of all the uploads Hold My Hand had maybe 100,000 views total means its impact is practically zero.

and yes, sony would not be trying so damn hard to keep this tune off youtube if there were no intentions to SELL (release) it. If it was not going to be sold (released) then there would be no problem letting people have it free. But when you sell (release) something you want success and money from it, therefor giving it to people for free (leaving it on youtube) would be silly.
 
Justice! said:
I don`t agree. The media has always tried to tell the public that MJ is hated & not populare anymore – yes he is hated by some ignorant people – but the interesting fact is: many people love Michael Jackson! Yes, he is still populare around the world.

Michael´s appearance at this fashion designers B-day in US for example. The crowd went wild about his appearance (even this wasn`t a fan event!). A public reaction for a person who`s "not populare" - tough in US? - No, I don`t think so. Then his strong sales of Thriller 25 (over 2 million sales worldwide, one of the best selling records in 2008) - and the list goes on. So, I can`t agree with your "truth".
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Yes, you are right.
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I'd have to disagree that Michael Jackson isn't popular....I know more people who like him then don't. For instance, my cousin is up from Calgary (Alberta, Canada) and we were talking about MJ. She was saying that all of her friends love Michael Jackson and some of the boys in her group start singing MJ when they hear him on the radio and break out in his dances right in public! She tells me that all of her friends have some MJ songs on their mp3 players.

What is completely surprising to me is that even with all the shit Michael has been through, his fanbase has held steady and continues to support him. Thats almost unheard of. He can basically release any album and have a guarentee that millions will buy it. Don't you see how many artists would KILL for that! So to say that MJ isn't popular?...thats just wrong. You are looking at things the wrong way.

By saying MJ isn't popular...your saying that his music is never played, the general public hates him, and nobody cares about him anymore. Yet in reality if MJ was to appear anywhere publicly then it would be mayhem and the entire world would have their eyes glued to the television. In reality, Michael Jackson's music lives on and is infact very popular among all ages! For example..."Don't Stop The Music", "The Good Life", "Beat It" by Fall Out Boy, and the list goes on. All popular modern day covers or samples of MJ's music... The public LOVES these songs and they are all because of Michael Jackson! Not only that, Michael's solo songs are also very popular! Just go to any club and put on Billie Jean and see what happens. Go to any school dance and put on Thriller and see what happens! If you look at things a little differently you begin to see a very different picture of Michael Jackson. And that picture shows an extremely popular artist, and a very active artist in today's music era.
 
smooth_criminal05 said:
I'd have to disagree that Michael Jackson isn't popular....I know more people who like him then don't. For instance, my cousin is up from Calgary (Alberta, Canada) and we were talking about MJ. She was saying that all of her friends love Michael Jackson and some of the boys in her group start singing MJ when they hear him on the radio and break out in his dances right in public! She tells me that all of her friends have some MJ songs on their mp3 players.

What is completely surprising to me is that even with all the shit Michael has been through, his fanbase has held steady and continues to support him. Thats almost unheard of. He can basically release any album and have a guarentee that millions will buy it. Don't you see how many artists would KILL for that! So to say that MJ isn't popular?...thats just wrong. You are looking at things the wrong way.

By saying MJ isn't popular...your saying that his music is never played, the general public hates him, and nobody cares about him anymore. Yet in reality if MJ was to appear anywhere publicly then it would be mayhem and the entire world would have their eyes glued to the television. In reality, Michael Jackson's music lives on and is infact very popular among all ages! For example..."Don't Stop The Music", "The Good Life", "Beat It" by Fall Out Boy, and the list goes on. All popular modern day covers or samples of MJ's music... The public LOVES these songs and they are all because of Michael Jackson! Not only that, Michael's solo songs are also very popular! Just go to any club and put on Billie Jean and see what happens. Go to any school dance and put on Thriller and see what happens! If you look at things a little differently you begin to see a very different picture of Michael Jackson. And that picture shows an extremely popular artist, and a very active artist in today's music era.
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Thanks Travis - that´s the truth. Some people are "blind" to see that.:clapping:
 
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MJ isn't as popular as he used to be. Let's face it. His music is played but how often in comparison to the really popular acts these days? Exactly, not all that much. Popular is Rihanna and Lil Wayne and Chris Brown, but not MJ. The media covers him because he's mega-famous, not because he's popular. It's just the way it is, nobody stays popular forever. Madonna also isn't as popular as she used to be, but she's more popular than MJ because she's still out there doing her thing and her music gets played a lot more (because it's new).

I'm sure when MJ finally releases some new music his popularity will see a boost.
 
serendipity said:
MJ isn't as popular as he used to be. Let's face it. His music is played but how often in comparison to the really popular acts these days? Exactly, not all that much. Popular is Rihanna and Lil Wayne and Chris Brown, but not MJ. The media covers him because he's mega-famous, not because he's popular. It's just the way it is, nobody stays popular forever. Madonna also isn't as popular as she used to be, but she's more popular than MJ because she's still out there doing her thing and her music gets played a lot more (because it's new).

I'm sure when MJ finally releases some new music his popularity will see a boost.
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somebody on this site talked about a chris brown song that was on the radio...and they asked their kid about it..the kid said it sounds like Michael Jackson being imitated by Chris Brown, or Akon or somebody. the parent then told the kid that the song was 'hold my hand'. the kid said 'oh my god!! it's Michael Jackson!!!' apparently a LOT of KIDS know who MJ is more than they know who Chris Brown is. the kid could not tell the other artists apart, but the kid distinctly held out Michael Jackson on a pedestal as an exclusive entity. most of the people going to his trial were KIDS. so..i don't know how you define popularity...i guess it's subjective..


so you are defining popularity by radio airplay. then how do you explain the songs that get played on the radio, but are still not bought in the stores? and how come many acts today that get played on the radio still have to look for second careers, while MJ has NEVER HAD to look for a second career?
 
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serendipity said:
MJ isn't as popular as he used to be. Let's face it. His music is played but how often in comparison to the really popular acts these days? Exactly, not all that much. Popular is Rihanna and Lil Wayne and Chris Brown, but not MJ. The media covers him because he's mega-famous, not because he's popular. It's just the way it is, nobody stays popular forever. Madonna also isn't as popular as she used to be, but she's more popular than MJ because she's still out there doing her thing and her music gets played a lot more (because it's new).

I'm sure when MJ finally releases some new music his popularity will see a boost.
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He might not be as popular as he used to be, but it's not like any of today's acts overshadow him in anyway.
 
serendipity said:
MJ isn't as popular as he used to be. Let's face it. His music is played but how often in comparison to the really popular acts these days? Exactly, not all that much. Popular is Rihanna and Lil Wayne and Chris Brown, but not MJ. The media covers him because he's mega-famous, not because he's popular. It's just the way it is, nobody stays popular forever. Madonna also isn't as popular as she used to be, but she's more popular than MJ because she's still out there doing her thing and her music gets played a lot more (because it's new).

I'm sure when MJ finally releases some new music his popularity will see a boost.
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That's another way of looking at it. The way you worded it, I agree in a sense that MJ ain't as popular as he used to be and I do agree that not too many artists that were popular ages ago retain it. But they all still have strong fan bases. I won't say MJ's tight fan base is an exception tho.

IMHO, there's enough people that want to hear new MJ stuff, which is why the song leaks was quickly taken off and they often called it the new MJ song rather than the new Akon song, which technically it's a not a new MJ song at all.
 
vncwilliam said:
somebody on this site talked about a chris brown song that was on the radio...and they asked their kid about it..the kid said it sounds like Michael Jackson being imitated by Chris Brown, or Akon or somebody. the parent then told the kid that the song was 'hold my hand'. the kid said 'oh my god!! it's Michael Jackson!!!' apparently a LOT of KIDS know who MJ is more than they know who Chris Brown is. the kid could not tell the other artists apart, but the kid distinctly held out Michael Jackson on a pedestal as an exclusive entity. most of the people going to his trial were KIDS. so..i don't know how you define popularity...i guess it's subjective..


so you are defining popularity by radio airplay. then how do you explain the songs that get played on the radio, but are still not bought in the stores? and how come many acts today that get played on the radio still have to look for second careers, while MJ has NEVER HAD to look for a second career?
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In a sense MJ has transitioned from being "the popular artist" to being a legendary one and usually the legends have a problem being "real" popular with the current generation. In a sense, some of the younger artists bring in MJ influenced stuff and in a sense it does make people aware that someone did it before them, just like MJ used to be when he mentioned how James Brown was his biggest idol and James' career was definitely showing strain. MJ, Prince, Hammer, and hip-hop brought James Brown back to the public eye (especially after his brush with the law).

In a sense the same thing is happening to MJ but if he doesn't release new material, he could be looked on like a Sam Cooke or a Marvin Gaye of pop, an artist who pioneered music but has not been heard for years because of their premature career endings. MJ seems to be the breathing example of that but we don't know what has kept MJ from releasing anything in the last three years.
 
troubleman84 said:
In a sense MJ has transitioned from being "the popular artist" to being a legendary one and usually the legends have a problem being "real" popular with the current generation. In a sense, some of the younger artists bring in MJ influenced stuff and in a sense it does make people aware that someone did it before them, just like MJ used to be when he mentioned how James Brown was his biggest idol and James' career was definitely showing strain. MJ, Prince, Hammer, and hip-hop brought James Brown back to the public eye (especially after his brush with the law).

In a sense the same thing is happening to MJ but if he doesn't release new material, he could be looked on like a Sam Cooke or a Marvin Gaye of pop, an artist who pioneered music but has not been heard for years because of their premature career endings. MJ seems to be the breathing example of that but we don't know what has kept MJ from releasing anything in the last three years.
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well the whole thing is an enigma to me then, cus i never saw people these days react in public to anyone, the way they react to MJ..not James..not Paul Mccartney, not Madonna or even Prince. sure...they all can fill an arena, but MJ is the only one that can't even go outside anymore, because of the reaction. Chris Brown and Ne yo can walk down a street, but MJ cannot...despite the fact that MJ has not released something in a LONG time. now that is unprecedented. please explain THAT one to me. and..lol.. please don't say that it is because MJ rarely shows his face, because i live in hollywood and i RARELY see ANY of the celebrities i mentioned, walking down the street. (and it ain't the disguises either, because other celebs have worn disguises, and MJ would not wear them if he didn't get mobbed all the time when he didn't wear them. and during a birthday party for him, a couple of years ago he had to be placed in a cage due to fan reaction, because he was not wearing a disguise.)
 
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troubleman84 said:
In a sense MJ has transitioned from being "the popular artist" to being a legendary one and usually the legends have a problem being "real" popular with the current generation. In a sense, some of the younger artists bring in MJ influenced stuff and in a sense it does make people aware that someone did it before them, just like MJ used to be when he mentioned how James Brown was his biggest idol and James' career was definitely showing strain. MJ, Prince, Hammer, and hip-hop brought James Brown back to the public eye (especially after his brush with the law).

In a sense the same thing is happening to MJ but if he doesn't release new material, he could be looked on like a Sam Cooke or a Marvin Gaye of pop, an artist who pioneered music but has not been heard for years because of their premature career endings. MJ seems to be the breathing example of that but we don't know what has kept MJ from releasing anything in the last three years.
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I'm sorry but I do not understand how an Alive and Well( we hope), Internationally known Icon who transcend all racial barriers can be compared to 2 deceased (both met with brutal deaths), former soul singers? Please help me out here.
 
troubleman84 said:
In a sense MJ has transitioned from being "the popular artist" to being a legendary one and usually the legends have a problem being "real" popular with the current generation. In a sense, some of the younger artists bring in MJ influenced stuff and in a sense it does make people aware that someone did it before them, just like MJ used to be when he mentioned how James Brown was his biggest idol and James' career was definitely showing strain. MJ, Prince, Hammer, and hip-hop brought James Brown back to the public eye (especially after his brush with the law).

In a sense the same thing is happening to MJ but if he doesn't release new material, he could be looked on like a Sam Cooke or a Marvin Gaye of pop, an artist who pioneered music but has not been heard for years because of their premature career endings. MJ seems to be the breathing example of that but we don't know what has kept MJ from releasing anything in the last three years.
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Great post. And I agree - MJ is mostly considered an oldies act these days. But hopefully the new album will change that. I know people are hungry for good music, MJ just needs to bring it on!
 
Moddie777 said:
I'm sorry but I do not understand how an Alive and Well( we hope), Internationally known Icon who transcend all racial barriers can be compared to 2 deceased (both met with brutal deaths), former soul singers? Please help me out here.
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Well...

How do I put it?

When was his last physical studio album? 2001?

And how has he been referred to in the stupid media? As some kind of tabloid fixation?

And he's only popular through today's music scene as an...INFLUENCE?

The last saying is what I was referring to.
 
troubleman84 said:
Well...

How do I put it?

When was his last physical studio album? 2001?

And how has he been referred to in the stupid media? As some kind of tabloid fixation?

And he's only popular through today's music scene as an...INFLUENCE?

The last saying is what I was referring to.
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I understand your point better now. Thank you.
 
blank said:
I mean he isnt popular. People may like his old music, but he isnt popular now. I do not even know one MJ fan in real life, and i live in the USA in a real populated area. People respect his older days, but they see him as a joke now, which does make me mad, but its the reality of the matter.

i think all that will change once he starts making good music again, as he has obviously with this new song.
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Is that a fact?


Hollaback.
 
smooth_criminal05 said:
I'd have to disagree that Michael Jackson isn't popular....I know more people who like him then don't. For instance, my cousin is up from Calgary (Alberta, Canada) and we were talking about MJ. She was saying that all of her friends love Michael Jackson and some of the boys in her group start singing MJ when they hear him on the radio and break out in his dances right in public! She tells me that all of her friends have some MJ songs on their mp3 players.

What is completely surprising to me is that even with all the shit Michael has been through, his fanbase has held steady and continues to support him. Thats almost unheard of. He can basically release any album and have a guarentee that millions will buy it. Don't you see how many artists would KILL for that! So to say that MJ isn't popular?...thats just wrong. You are looking at things the wrong way.

By saying MJ isn't popular...your saying that his music is never played, the general public hates him, and nobody cares about him anymore. Yet in reality if MJ was to appear anywhere publicly then it would be mayhem and the entire world would have their eyes glued to the television. In reality, Michael Jackson's music lives on and is infact very popular among all ages! For example..."Don't Stop The Music", "The Good Life", "Beat It" by Fall Out Boy, and the list goes on. All popular modern day covers or samples of MJ's music... The public LOVES these songs and they are all because of Michael Jackson! Not only that, Michael's solo songs are also very popular! Just go to any club and put on Billie Jean and see what happens. Go to any school dance and put on Thriller and see what happens! If you look at things a little differently you begin to see a very different picture of Michael Jackson. And that picture shows an extremely popular artist, and a very active artist in today's music era.
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Michael jackson was voted the second most sort after celeb. The ch4 cbb was asked who their ultimate celeb would be and they said Michael jackson. His name is used by just about every celeb in the business and products seeking to advertise themself. it is becoming popular now to stick MJ's name to a video on youtube now if you want good viewing.
 
I don't see why some people get so defensive when someone brings up that he just isnt a top artist right now. i mean it's just how it is.

now he really does seem to be more of a legend. The media and most people respect his older music such as the thriller album, but not him as a person.

Then again, this isnt a big thing. Why isnt it? Michael has made new music in forever such as a real complete studio album, so of course he wouldn't be the top artist right now.

I think he'll be fine once he starts releasing new material. No point in getting defensive.
 
Radio airplay is not indicative of the general taste of the public because radio airplay is POLITICAL. The entire play list is not even chosen by the DJ. The DJ is being forced to adhere to a list given to him by the owner of the station. And that owner only cares about money. And if you think he aint excepting PAYOLA in some form or fashion, you are under a rock. Radio owners will always be in bed with the labels. You better believe that in Michael's heyday, Sony was paying for his songs to be played.

Now with Michael, things are two-fold, because he is so well known and his music is always preceeded by such great anticipation, to the point where his music at least gets a first look on the radio stations. And this is fine and dandy with the owners because after all, all they care about is getting sponsors to advertise their product on their station and if the young people (who are the biggest consumers of music products) want to hear Michael, then the radio stations will appease.

I am willing to betcha that when Michael releases this new album, we will hear his single being played all day, everyday. Why? The great anticipation!
 
blank said:
I don't see why some people get so defensive when someone brings up that he just isnt a top artist right now. i mean it's just how it is.

now he really does seem to be more of a legend. The media and most people respect his older music such as the thriller album, but not him as a person.

Then again, this isnt a big thing. Why isnt it? Michael has made new music in forever such as a real complete studio album, so of course he wouldn't be the top artist right now.

I think he'll be fine once he starts releasing new material. No point in getting defensive.
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Peopls are defensive because of the way you said what you said. Your argument still doesn't bare water, since MJ is still the most sort after of all the celebs out there. Statistics confirmed this. MJ's magazines confirmed this and media coverage of this confirms this. Who is bigger than MJ. Does it really matter which of his songs are respected? The beatles have long ceased to exist and yet they are still regarded as the top band.
Why talk about MJ as if he is underachieving because he doesn't make music. Does he cease to achieve his accolades because he decides to hang up his hat?
Why talk about his personal life when other artists poersonal life is not under scrutiny. Ray Charles sniffed cocaine and cheated on his wife, do we respect ray charles. Shall we put all celebs out there and compare their personal life. Who cares a fkcu about his personal life. It is about the music and MJ has just been given the honour of having his song voted the best dance song ever. Who out there can touch that.?:bugeyed
 
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Datsymay said:
Peopls are defensive because of the way you said what you said. Your argument still doesn't bare water, since MJ is still the most sort after of all the celebs out there. Statistics confirmed this. MJ's magazines confirmed this and media coverage of this confirms this. Who is bigger than MJ. Does it really matter which of his songs are respected? The beatles have long ceased to exist and yet they are still regarded as the top band.
Why talk about MJ as if he is underachieving because he doesn't make music. Does he cease to achieve his accolades because he decides to hang up his hat?
Why talk about his personal life when other artists poersonal life is not under scrutiny. Ray Charles sniffed cocaine and cheated on his wife, do we respect ray charles. Shall we put all celebs out there and compare their personal life. Who cares a fkcu about his personal life. It is about the music and MJ has just been given the honour of having his song voted the best dance song ever. Who out there can touch that.?:bugeyed
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yeah...i agree. so far he has been said to not be popular with young people today..though young people made up the majority of people who attended his trial. and now....he's not considered a top artist by some, though his style dominates music videos. i guess...next, somebody will tell me it was sunny outside, though i saw it rain.(not referring to you, dats, when i refer to people who are still not convinced that he is still today's most popular artist.)
 
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blank said:
I don't see why some people get so defensive when someone brings up that he just isnt a top artist right now. i mean it's just how it is.

now he really does seem to be more of a legend. The media and most people respect his older music such as the thriller album, but not him as a person.

Then again, this isnt a big thing. Why isnt it? Michael has made new music in forever such as a real complete studio album, so of course he wouldn't be the top artist right now.

I think he'll be fine once he starts releasing new material. No point in getting defensive.
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Yeah you were just stating your opinion and your point was valid in the present tense. I actually got what Damien said just a few minutes ago so my apologies, lol.
 
Thank God we our allowed to have faith in ourselves and our own abilities, because if it were solely left up to us having to rely on others having faith in us we wouldn't stand a chance. Wow! That is really scary.

Don't worry, you guys. It's gonna turn out better than you think.

Mike is sitting pretty.
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Mike has something that most recording artists do not have. It's really hard to explain it, but it plays a big part in what draws people to him. You can only understand what I'm talking about if you've had a chance to be near him and feel it for yourselves. He's had this ever since he was a kid. It's what is causing all of us to be here. It's what is causing people that claim they do not like him to be on boards talking about him daily. It's what is causing the media to follow him all over the world.

It's very potent and fortunately, MJ knows how to use it. Evan Chandler did not fully understand the strength of it or did not know that it existed when he decided to come up with his stupid plan. He ended up hurting a lot of people worldwide. Sneddon did not fully understand it either and ended up doing the exact same thing. He caused a lot of people a lot of pain. Only when they saw how the world reacted, were they able to tell they were in over their heads and had come up with a bad idea.

When Michael is entertaining, the multiple gifts that he have get to work at full capacity. When he is not, they don't, but they also do not leave either.

Right now, they are not being used. They're just going wherever he goes and waiting. When his multiple gifts are put to use along with the music that he makes and everything else that he likes to do to entertain, this world is going to be rumbling with excitement. There is no other entertainer that can do it like MJ.

He's going to be fine, because he is one of a kind. He's gifted.

When you meet those other recording artists you go, "Hey! That's so and so!" When you meet Michael Jackson you go "Hey. What's that feeling?" in addition to being excited about seeing him. It's like another word besides aura needs to be used because it's really indescribable.

Even Akon felt it.
 
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Well Alright. Good luck.

Do this and see what happens:

Call a local radio station that plays the hits and only the hits. Request a Michael Jackson song, and then see if it gets played. :)

Those stations play the current valid music from current artists that people want to listen to.

Now if there was a huge demand for MJ they'd play it sure thing.

but you'd have a much better chance to call a oldie music station and request something played from Thriller, or Bad and having it played. That is because them albums themselves are classics and people respect the music more.

And this isnt my opinion. It's the way it seems because most likely its the way it is.

Do you know that in most places in the USA or even in the UK, if you go out in public and say that you're a huge mj fan, you'll most likely be made a joke of? that's how bad it is.
 
blank said:
Well Alright. Good luck.

Do this and see what happens:

Call a local radio station that plays the hits and only the hits. Request a Michael Jackson song, and then see if it gets played. :)

Those stations play the current valid music from current artists that people want to listen to.

Now if there was a huge demand for MJ they'd play it sure thing.

but you'd have a much better chance to call a oldie music station and request something played from Thriller, or Bad and having it played. That is because them albums themselves are classics and people respect the music more.

And this isnt my opinion. It's the way it seems because most likely its the way it is.

Do you know that in most places in the USA or even in the UK, if you go out in public and say that you're a huge mj fan, you'll most likely be made a joke of? that's how bad it is.
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Where u live at, Blank? :lol: :)
 
blank said:
Well Alright. Good luck.

Do this and see what happens:

Call a local radio station that plays the hits and only the hits. Request a Michael Jackson song, and then see if it gets played. :)

Those stations play the current valid music from current artists that people want to listen to.

Now if there was a huge demand for MJ they'd play it sure thing.

but you'd have a much better chance to call a oldie music station and request something played from Thriller, or Bad and having it played. That is because them albums themselves are classics and people respect the music more.

And this isnt my opinion. It's the way it seems because most likely its the way it is.

Do you know that in most places in the USA or even in the UK, if you go out in public and say that you're a huge mj fan, you'll most likely be made a joke of? that's how bad it is.
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Yea.. true. :ermm:
...eff them, lmfao. :mat::lol:

and yes, they barely play MJ on the radio sometimes.. and when they do, omfg it's like an event for me, I'm like YAAY. :lmao::wild: It's rare they play him on the radio.. well at least where I live.
 
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