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JacksonMan said:
okay I aplogize for the comment. It was intended for the sake of getting under your skin and I shouldn't have said it.

I do without a doubt believe that everybody who has participated in this debate for the last few pages has realized how identical Mj's vocals are in shout to how they sound in breaking news and monster, and they simply don't want to admit it. They are too much alike for people not to hear it, once it's pointed out.

Just like I will admit that when you click on the YT link in barok's sig, you can hear how much that note sounds simmilair in both Malachi's critical and the song Keep your head up. I will admit they sound very much alike, even though it doesn't help my argument.

When I give you guy's examples of MJ singing like this in the past, you don't show the same courtesy. You just pretend it sounds nothing like it, even though it is clear that Mj used the same singing style and the same computer tricks.
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Alrighty, fair enough...apology accepted....Notice I didn't say anything about YOUR join date? Left yourself wide open there....

You need to really stop assuming that we believe deep down they sound similar.....You can't realistically actually believe that you can assume something like that...I said before, if I heard a similarity, I'd admit it...Why would I not? I have nothing to prove to you, nor do I care what you think about what I do or do not hear.....I don't hear a similarity in Monster and Shout because A) Michael Jackson had one of the most unique voices to grace the musical world, and it's VERY VERY easy to discern between him and an impersonator....and this leads me to B) Monster doesn't sound similar to Shout because, IMO, they are sung by two different people....
 
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Arklove said:
Alrighty, fair enough...apology accepted....Notice I didn't say anything about YOUR join date? Left yourself wide open there....

You need to really stop assuming that we believe deep down they sound similar.....You can't realistically actually believe that you can assume something like that...I said before, if I heard a similarity, I'd admit it...Why would I not? I have nothing to prove to you, nor do I care what you think about what I do or do not hear.....I don't hear a similarity in Monster and Shout because A) Michael Jackson had one of the most unique voices to grace the musical world, and it's VERY VERY easy to discern between him and an impersonator....and this leads me to B) Monster doesn't sound similar to Shout because, IMO, they are sung by two different people....
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I'm sorry, but I stand by my last post adressing you. I feel it's too obvious for anybody not to realize it. Especially that acapella part of shout. I'm not saying youa gree with me that it's MJ, but there is no way anybody listens to that and then thinks it doesn't sound the same.
 
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^^ And, I stand by my posts as well.....
 
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wai
JacksonMan said:
actually the only cascio song I like is Monster. If it is an impersonator I don't think he's trying very hard on breaking news except for the ad lybs. same goes for monster. If they were hiring an impersonator I don't think it would sound like this. I've never heard an MJ impersonator come off sounding like this, not even Jason Malachi.

why would they use a compter to speed up the vibrato to be a thousand times faster than Mj's if they were trying to make you think it was MJ? The truth is that it is MJ, and it's been sped up a lot.

the ad lybs on monster do have a lot of emotion. You can totally hear the pain when he screams "why you haunting me." You can really hear the sadness as he's asking "why, why, why did you do this to my life?"

Really the only songs I like on Michael are Monster, Hold my Hand, and Can't make it another day, and I only like the remixed version by those celebrity entertainment people or whatever they are called.
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wait, wait, let me get this straight. you don't think it's an impersonator because if they had hired an impersonator it would sound BETTER than this? you said it doesn't sound like the impersonator was "trying very hard"?!

isn't that MORE of a reason that this can't be MJ? i am not understanding your argument. if it sounds so unlike MJ that it's a poor impersonation, then doesn't that logically mean it's not michael?

I happen to totally agree that this is not even a good impersonation, by the way. but i have no idea how that could lead someone to believe mj is the singer on these tracks.
 
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Arklove said:
Yes, way....
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sorry man, but I just don't think your being sincere in that statement. If I told you your screenname wasn't Arklove, you would not believe me, because you know I can see it on my screen. You've heard both songs, and it doesn't even sound 1% different.
 
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azsummergirl said:
wai

wait, wait, let me get this straight. you don't think it's an impersonator because if they had hired an impersonator it would sound BETTER than this? you said it doesn't sound like the impersonator was "trying very hard"?!

isn't that MORE of a reason that this can't be MJ? i am not understanding your argument. if it sounds so unlike MJ that it's a poor impersonation, then doesn't that logically mean it's not michael?

I happen to totally agree that this is not even a good impersonation, by the way. but i have no idea how that could lead someone to believe mj is the singer on these tracks.
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if your roing to hire an impersonator and you want people to think it's MJ, your not going to tell the guy to sing exactly the way MJ sings in shout. Your going to tell him to sing in a voice that the masses will recognize as MJ.

and not only that but your going to have the guy finish the freaking song. why would sony hire an impersonator and tell them not to finish the song?
 
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something I have ocasionally asked of those who doubt it's MJ, still has not been addressed. It always just gets buried, so I'm going to bring it up again.

why isn't keep your head up finished? The song was obviously supposed to have ad lybs. MJ never finished the song. that's why you keep hearing the exact same phrase over and over again, "love right here today." They didn't have enough vocals to conplete the song, so they used the same ones over and over again. They even considered using the Earthsong ad lybs for a brief time.

if this song was not sung by the deceased MJ, and instead was sung by an impersonator who is still with us today, then why didn't the guy finish the song?
 
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JacksonMan said:
sorry man, but I just don't think your being sincere in that statement.
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Sure, if it makes you feel any more secure in your argument...

I think it really bothers you that I don't agree with you....Let it go...lol
 
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Arklove said:
Sure, if it makes you feel any more secure in your argument...

I think it really bothers you that I don't agree with you....Let it go...lol
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It doesn't bother me that you don't think it's MJ. What bothers me is that you wont admit whoever is singing on Monster and Breaking news, they sound exactly like MJ on shout. It doesn't even sound 1% different. that's why I'm kind of being like come on man why wont you admit this sounds like that.
 
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guys take a break from the argument

and Jacksonman please do not post multiple posts one after another - use multi quote and/or edit your first post if you want to add more.
 
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ivy said:
guys take a break from the argument

and Jacksonman please do not post multiple posts one after another - use multi quote and/or edit your first post if you want to add more.
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can somebody please explain to me how to do that? I have to manually type in quote tags around people's paragraphs. and how the hell do you put smileys in here? I'm going to try one but I'm pretty sure it wont be in my actual post. Hopefully it's right here.

and gosh darn it you picked the worst time to ask us to take a break from our debate in the great debate thread. I asked the question that never gets answered. If we take a break now, it will just be buried like every other time I asked the question.
 
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To me, Shout and Monster sound and feel very different. This is an honest opinion by the way. The power, the husk, the aggression so apparent in Shout are absent in Monster.

I don't know if the vocals in Shout are indeed sped up. If the are, then the production trick didn't take away the richness of Michael's voice in Shout the way they did in Monster.

Michael Jackson is regarded as one of the best vocalists ever not just becasue of his instinctly recognizable voice, but also because of his impeccable singing technique and his uncanny ability to convey emotions. His voice is able to put a smile on our face, move our feet, pull the strings in our heart and turn us on. His voice is magical.

When I listen to Monster and Breaking News, I feel empty. (Disclaimer: My feeling has nothing to do with what the Jacksons said. I'm not subconsciously influenced by the rumor. If so, I should have disliked KYHU, but I don't.) It's not just the vocals that irk me, but also the lack of soul and energy. What other Michael Jackson song left you totally unmoved? Also, the songwriting is unusually weak.
 
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JacksonMan said:
It doesn't bother me that you don't think it's MJ. What bothers me is that you wont admit whoever is singing on Monster and Breaking news, they sound exactly like MJ on shout. It doesn't even sound 1% different. that's why I'm kind of being like come on man why wont you admit this sounds like that.
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You are utterly impossible...You really need to stop....lol
 
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editt...... we were asked to take a break.
 
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Arklove said:
You are utterly impossible.....lol
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when you feel like it, adress my question for Keep your head up. why does it sound like a song that was never finished, and then edited to sound like a whole song?
 
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JacksonMan said:
if your roing to hire an impersonator and you want people to think it's MJ, your not going to tell the guy to sing exactly the way MJ sings in shout. Your going to tell him to sing in a voice that the masses will recognize as MJ.

and not only that but your going to have the guy finish the freaking song. why would sony hire an impersonator and tell them not to finish the song?
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You really think that the cascio tracks sound "exactly the way MJ sings in shout?" ok. that's interesting. i am not sure how you hear that, i certainly don't, but ok. like . . . really? *confused* ok.

i think that they DID tell the impersonator to sing in a voice that the masses would think sounds like mj. it's obviously convinced 50% of the fan population. Unfortunately, as you've already mentioned, it's not that great of an impersonation.

and i don't know why they didn't finish the song. there's a LOT i don't know about this situation (motivation, who's behind it, legal issues, etc.) The only thing i know is that it's not him. and that's all that's really important.
 
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JacksonMan said:
when you feel like it, adress my question for Keep your head up. why does it sound like a song that was never finished, and then edited to sound like a whole song?
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azsummergirl said:
and i don't know why they didn't finish the song. there's a LOT i don't know about this situation (motivation, who's behind it, legal issues, etc.) The only thing i know is that it's not him. and that's all that's really important.
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azsummergirl said:
You really think that the cascio tracks sound "exactly the way MJ sings in shout?" ok. that's interesting. i am not sure how you hear that, i certainly don't, but ok. like . . . really? *confused* ok.

i think that they DID tell the impersonator to sing in a voice that the masses would think sounds like mj. it's obviously convinced 50% of the fan population. Unfortunately, as you've already mentioned, it's not that great of an impersonation.

and i don't know why they didn't finish the song. there's a LOT i don't know about this situation (motivation, who's behind it, legal issues, etc.) The only thing i know is that it's not him. and that's all that's really important.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPiGY58x9cE
skip to 1:30. at that part right there he's using the same voice he uses for the verses on breaking news where he says "they wanna see that I fall cause I'm michael Jackson" and the verses on shout sound very simmilliar to the verses on monster. not the melody of course, or the staticky echo, but the voice.

keep your head up doesn't even sound like an impersonator. it sounds like classic MJ. it's too bad he never finished it. why did sony consider using earthsong ad lybs if the song was being sung by an impersonator anyways?
 
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Arklove said:
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I think it would be more appropiate to admit I have a good point there.

MJ was planning to put screaming ad lybs there. he never finished it. That's why they had to keep using the same lyrics over and over again to make it sound like a whole song. They wouldn't have done that if they had a real live impersonator singing the song.

You guys are sort of using a cop out answer. I've asked this before and nobody would ever quote the post. You guys basically quoted it now, but still don't have an explanation.
 
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JacksonMan said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPiGY58x9cE
skip to 1:30. at that part right there he's using the same voice he uses for the verses on breaking news where he says "they wanna see that I fall cause I'm michael Jackson" and the verses on shout sound very simmilliar to the verses on monster. not the melody of course, or the staticky echo, but the voice.
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They sound nothing alike. One is very clearly MJ. The other...

JacksonMan said:
keep your head up doesn't even sound like an impersonator. it sounds like classic MJ. it's too bad he never finished it. why did sony consider using earthsong ad lybs if the song was being sung by an impersonator anyways?
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I heard the Earth Song ad-libs were put on by a fan. KYHU is the closest sounding to MJ, but it still doesn't sound like him to me. The giveaway is the first verse - it's not so much how it's sung, but the tone of voice.
 
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JacksonMan said:
when you feel like it, adress my question for Keep your head up. why does it sound like a song that was never finished, and then edited to sound like a whole song?
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There is no way we would know how fininished the songs on MICHAEL are. Some sound more complete than others. It seems the only song this is complete is Hold My Hand.

How could we address your question if we never know the truth? Like other has said before, there are many things we don't know. One thing I do know is that the Cascio tracks sound different enough for people to have this discussion continuously.
 
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i try not to listen to breaking news or monster or KYHU b/c it physically hurts me. it's like damaging to me. i have violent reactions, for serious.

BUT every couple of days someone makes another ridiculous comparison (example: shout, michael's appearance at the 2006 wmas appearance, etc.) so i break down and i'm like "ok, i gotta listen again and see what he/she is talking about." i don't know why i waste my time, it wasn't michael when it was released, and it's not going to be him ever, no matter how many comparisons or audiologists come in to the mix.

and then i listen. and seriously? it like makes me laugh. this blows my mind. i seriously, truly don't get it. it's painful. sure, it sounds LIKE michael jackson. kinda how the south park songs sung by "mr. jefferson" sound LIKE michael jackson.

but truly, this is so so not him. it's hard for me to back myself up b/c i can't even pick out a specific instance of the song not being michael--because the ENTIRE thing is not him, and there is no one spot where i am even remotely convinced. right now there is no proof on either side--besides the incredibly obvious, blatant, screaming-in-our-face proof on the track itself. the "proof" is when whoever-he-is opens his mouth and starts singing. that's the proof.
 
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Arklove said:
.....no.....you're way too full of yourself, man...
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Like that doesn't make it a little obvious that you and kobwatcher are Pming each other?

You fail to provide any explanation other than "well I can't explain that or refute that" yet you refuse to admit I have a good point?

You really think Sony hired an impersonator to sing this song and they told the guy not to finish the song? I mean seriously. wouldn't that just be over the top counter productive and defeat the entire purpose of hiring an impersonator?


why not refute the point? So far your only rebuttal is that I must be full of myself. Whether or not I have an ego is irrelevant as to whether or not this is MJ, and it's irrelevant as to why the song isn't finished. Your dodging the point and using a disrepectful childish insult.

If my point is so weak you'd have a better rebuttal than "i don't know."
 
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azsummergirl said:
i try not to listen to breaking news or monster or KYHU b/c it physically hurts me. it's like damaging to me. i have violent reactions, for serious.

BUT every couple of days someone makes another ridiculous comparison (example: shout, michael's appearance at the 2006 wmas appearance, etc.) so i break down and i'm like "ok, i gotta listen again and see what he/she is talking about." i don't know why i waste my time, it wasn't michael when it was released, and it's not going to be him ever, no matter how many comparisons or audiologists come in to the mix.

and then i listen. and seriously? it like makes me laugh. this blows my mind. i seriously, truly don't get it. it's painful. sure, it sounds LIKE michael jackson. kinda how the south park songs sung by "mr. jefferson" sound LIKE michael jackson.

but truly, this is so so not him. it's hard for me to back myself up b/c i can't even pick out a specific instance of the song not being michael--because the ENTIRE thing is not him, and there is no one spot where i am even remotely convinced. right now there is no proof on either side--besides the incredibly obvious, blatant, screaming-in-our-face proof on the track itself. the "proof" is when whoever-he-is opens his mouth and starts singing. that's the proof.
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'I have violent reactions, for serious...' :hysterical:

This post is damn awesome...100% agree
 
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azsummergirl said:
i try not to listen to breaking news or monster or KYHU b/c it physically hurts me. it's like damaging to me. i have violent reactions, for serious. .
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your taking your fandom a little too seriously and it sounds kind of weird.
 
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JacksonMan said:
Like that doesn't make it a little obvious that you and kobwatcher are Pming each other?

You fail to provide any explanation other than "well I can't explain that or refute that" yet you refuse to admit I have a good point?

You really think Sony hired an impersonator to sing this song and they told the guy not to finish the song? I mean seriously. wouldn't that just be over the top counter productive and defeat the entire purpose of hiring an impersonator?


why not refute the point? So far your only rebuttal is that I must be full of myself. Whether or not I have an ego is irrelevant as to whether or not this is MJ, and it's irrelevant as to why the song isn't finished. Your dodging the point and using a disrepectful childish insult.

If my point is so weak you'd have a better rebuttal than "i don't know."
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I answer 'I don't know'....because...SHOCKING....I don't know....Do you want an honest answer, or do you want one that satisfies your ego? Clearly, it's the latter...

I'm not arguing with you anymore though, this is fucking pointless....You're intentionally trying to push your shit on others....
 
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Arklove said:
I answer 'I don't know'....because...SHOCKING....I don't know....Do you want an honest answer, or do you want one that satisfies your ego?

I'm not arguing with you anymore though, this is fucking pointless....You're intentionally trying to push your shit on others....
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were all pushing our views on others. That's why it's call the great debate thread LOL

An honest answer would have been "yeah good point. I actually can't imagine why they would hire an impersonator to sing this song, but not have him finish the song, so were forced to use the same few lines over and over again. It really doesn't make sense that they would do that."

Dodging the question with "you must be full of yourself" was really stupid and childish. A few pages ago you claimed you didn't debate like that. As soon as you get debated into a corner though, I guess you do.
 
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