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JacksonMan said:
how can you not hear it though? It's more than just simmillair. Have you like very rescently listened to the middle part of shout where he sings "how we make this world to be, something something living torturing of mind"

That's EXACTLY the same as how he sounds when he says "they wanna see that I fall cause I'm Michael Jackson" in breaking news.

And the verses on monster sound exactly the same as the verses on shout. whatever you mean by rapid fire precsion, well Monster was sped up just like shout was sped up. as far as precision goes neither song has him off beat.
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You have listened to the Cascio songs a lot. Enough to confuse the voice in them with MJ's. No, they don't sound the same. The vocals in the Cascio tracks reminds people of Michael because the person singing them is trying hard to imitate him. The result, however, is laughable and without soul.

You should check my signature. See what the word "EXACT" is all about
 
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JacksonMan said:
how can you not hear it though? It's more than just simmillair. Have you like very rescently listened to the middle part of shout where he sings "how we make this world to be, something something living torturing of mind"

That's EXACTLY the same as how he sounds when he says "they wanna see that I fall cause I'm Michael Jackson" in breaking news.

And the verses on monster sound exactly the same as the verses on shout. whatever you mean by rapid fire precsion, well Monster was sped up just like shout was sped up. as far as precision goes neither song has him off beat.
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Those two bolded parts sound the same to you? Really? I'm not sure we're listening to the same song....When I say rapid fire precision, I mean just that....rapid fire - sung quickly, not missing a beat...I'm not saying Monster is off beat, but it sure as hell doesn't sound like the verses on Shout, sung with conviction, and that aggression, that soul, that emotion that only Michael Jackson is capable of evoking - especially when compared to the vocals on Monster, or any of the Cascio tracks...
 
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Arklove said:
Those two bolded parts sound the same to you? Really? I'm not sure we're listening to the same song....When I say rapid fire precision, I mean just that....rapid fire - sung quickly,...
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they are both like that. they both sound like they were sped up to sound very rapid.

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not missing a beat...I'm not saying Monster is off beat, but it sure as hell doesn't sound like the verses on Shout, sung with conviction, and that aggression, that soul, that emotion that only Michael Jackson is capable of evoking - especially when compared to the vocals on Monster, or any of the Cascio tracks...
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Monster does sound like that. the ad lybs have that same traditional emotion, and the rest of it just sounds like shout.

shout doesn't have that agressive sout and emotion either.
 
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^^ :doh: ok, whatever you say....lol
 
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barok232 said:
You have listened to the Cascio songs a lot. Enough to confuse the voice in them with MJ's. No, they don't sound the same. The vocals in the Cascio tracks reminds people of Michael because the person singing them is trying hard to imitate him. The result, however, is laughable and without soul.

You should check my signature. See what the word "EXACT" is all about
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actually the only cascio song I like is Monster. If it is an impersonator I don't think he's trying very hard on breaking news except for the ad lybs. same goes for monster. If they were hiring an impersonator I don't think it would sound like this. I've never heard an MJ impersonator come off sounding like this, not even Jason Malachi.

why would they use a compter to speed up the vibrato to be a thousand times faster than Mj's if they were trying to make you think it was MJ? The truth is that it is MJ, and it's been sped up a lot.

the ad lybs on monster do have a lot of emotion. You can totally hear the pain when he screams "why you haunting me." You can really hear the sadness as he's asking "why, why, why did you do this to my life?"

Really the only songs I like on Michael are Monster, Hold my Hand, and Can't make it another day, and I only like the remixed version by those celebrity entertainment people or whatever they are called.
 
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Really it just takes a little common sense. This would be a suicide move on Sony's part. They wouldn't be stupid enough to do this. They have too much to lose, and really nothing to gain. They would know ahead of time that because of today's technology, they would be exposed.

If Sony had done this, somebody would have proved it by now. sony's stocks would have plummeted already. That hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen.
 
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Arklove said:
^^ :doh: ok, whatever you say....lol
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well your rapid fire comment was kind of ridiculous, considering they are both sped up to sound like he's singing very rapidly. and the acapella part of shout isn't even very fast, and it does sound like the exact same voice he used in the verses on breaking news. That part is fact. The only difference is the melody. same octave, same style, same vibrato, same voice, same person. That part is fact.

Maybe you just don't listen to MJ's music very much so it's not as easy for you to recognize his voice. I've been an obsessed fan for almost 29 years. I can hear it. You try putting on a jason malachi song for me, and I'm going to recognize it. Same thing for that fake acapella clip of place with no name. Most you guys thought it was MJ. I didn't. And the guy who made it is actually a member of this board. Proved it was him a while back. The talking part was taken from a clip of Mj talking.
 
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JacksonMan said:
Really it just takes a little common sense. This would be a suicide move on Sony's part. They wouldn't be stupid enough to do this. They have too much to lose, and really nothing to gain. They would know ahead of time that because of today's technology, they would be exposed.

If Sony had done this, somebody would have proved it by now. sony's stocks would have plummeted already. That hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen.
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Yes, you're right. Sony couldn't be that stupid. That would be akin to streaming the wrong mix of the first song of the first posthumous album from the greatest entertainer who ever lived.


Oh, wait a minute.

JacksonMan said:
and it does sound like the exact same voice he used in the verses on breaking news. That part is fact. The only difference is the melody. same octave, same style, same vibrato, same voice, same person. That part is fact.
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How many times have people said not to state opinion as fact?

JacksonMan said:
Maybe you just don't listen to MJ's music very much so it's not as easy for you to recognize his voice. I've been an obsessed fan for almost 29 years.
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Don't go there.
 
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hey barok I clicked on your signature. You really shouldn't be trying to promote a boycott of Michael, unless you have absolute definite proof it isn't him. That's not right. It's not fair to his children, his estate, his fans, his legacy or him. Even if your extremely confident you shouldn't take it upon yourself to sabotage his album unless you have absolute proof.
 
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JacksonMan said:
well your rapid fire comment was kind of ridiculous, considering they are both sped up to sound like he's singing very rapidly.
Maybe you just don't listen to MJ's music very much so it's not as easy for you to recognize his voice.
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You say it's ridiculous because clearly you didn't understand what I was talking about....

And, I don't listen to MJ's music very much???..Seriously, back off....I can say you're ridiculous for using the fan card in this instance or ANY instance...It's old, it's tired....

Next...
 
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kopwatcher said:
Yes, you're right. Sony couldn't be that stupid. That would be akin to streaming the wrong mix of the first song of the first posthumous album from the greatest entertainer who ever lived.


Oh, wait a minute.


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LOL, that never happened. A few people tried saying that, but it never happened. I still have the ripped version that originally streamed. It's identical to the one on the album. and I didn't state an opinion as fact. It is in the same octave. It does have the same vibrato. It does sound like the same voice. And when a computer analaysis proves beyond any reasonable doubt that it's MJ, I'm allowed to state as a fact that it's MJ.
 
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Arklove said:
You say it's ridiculous because clearly you didn't understand what I was talking about....

And, I don't listen to MJ's music very much???..Seriously, back off....I can say you're ridiculous for using the fan card in this instance or ANY instance...It's old, it's tired....

Next...
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yes I did understand exactly what you were talking about. Both songs are like that. You admitted shout was like that. Monster sounds like that. And even Teddy Riley admitted he sped it up like that.

As for the fan card, I don't know, maybe you just aren't as good at recognizing MJ's voice. How long have you been listening to him? Were you a fan before he died or after?
 
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JacksonMan said:
As for the fan card, I don't know, maybe you just aren't as good at recognizing MJ's voice. How long have you been listening to him? Were you a fan before he died or after?
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You are so patronising. I've been a fan for 30 years and I disagree. Maybe your 29 years isn't quite enough to properly discern his voice. Are you sure you're not just a casual listener?
 
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JacksonMan said:
As for the fan card, I don't know, maybe you just aren't as good at recognizing MJ's voice. How long have you been listening to him? Were you a fan before he died or after?
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I can say the same thing about you, maybe you're not as good as recognizing MJ's voice because you believe it's him on those tracks...But, I don't say shit like that because it's disrespectful, childish, and who am I to question your fandom...and vice versa...

I've been listening to MJ for 22 years....I know this man's voice, just as you claim to know his voice as well....
 
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kopwatcher said:
You are so patronising. I've been a fan for 30 years and I disagree. Maybe your 29 years isn't quite enough to properly discern his voice. Are you sure you're not just a casual listener?
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Actually I'm an impersonator. I make money off of it. I'm good at it.
 
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Arklove said:
I can say the same thing about you, maybe you're not as good as recognizing MJ's voice because you believe it's him on those tracks...But, I don't say shit like that because it's disrespectful, childish, and who am I to question your fandom...and vice versa...

I've been listening to MJ for 22 years....I know this man's voice, just as you claim to know his voice as well....
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I was just asking, because I wasn't sure. I saw that you joined this site very shortly after he died, so I was asking. Plus I thought it was the only way to explain how you couldn't hear the simmilairities at the specific parts I pointed out to you. I thought that had to have made it pretty easy for you.

I initially also thought Breaking news was not sung by him. After a day or two though, I was like dugh, I've heard him sing like this before. It doesn't even sound a little bit different from shout. I think shout was an experiment. Monster is him using what he learned making shout.

and it was kind of disrespectful to say that I didn't know what you meant by that rapid fire precision phrase you invented. You knew that Monster's vocals were sped up real fast the same way shouts were sped up. So why claiming that I think it's the same because I don't know what you meant? Obviously I knew what you meant.
 
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JacksonMan said:
I was just asking, because I wasn't sure. I saw that you joined this site very shortly after he died, so I was asking. Plus I thought it was the only way to explain how you couldn't hear the simmilairities at the specific parts I pointed out to you. I thought that had to have made it pretty easy for you.
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You make some pretty wild assumptions don't you? thinking I'm a 'new' fan simply because I joined a forum after he died? That's fine if you're just asking out of curiosity, but to try and use that as part of your argument is quite low, don't you think?
 
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kopwatcher said:
Ah, I see. That explains some things.
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Yup you got me, I'm the guy who sings Monster. lol seriously what the hell is that supposed to explain other than the fact that I'm obviously not just a casual listener, but actually an obsessed fan?
 
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Arklove said:
You make some pretty wild assumptions don't you? thinking I'm a 'new' fan simply because I joined a forum after he died? That's fine if you're just asking out of curiosity, but to try and use that as part of your argument is quite low, don't you think?
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I think your blowing it a little out of proportion. It's not like I made some remark about a member of your family that died or something. That's what I would call low. A comment about your fandom isn't something you should take so seriously or to heart. It's not like it's relevant to what kind of person you are, or your character or anything.
 
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JacksonMan said:
Yup you got me, I'm the guy who sings Monster. lol seriously what the hell is that supposed to explain other than the fact that I'm obviously not just a casual listener, but actually an obsessed fan?
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A few other things. Probably best I don't go into them here. If you really want to know I will tell you by PM....but you probably won't like it.

EDIT: I don't want to turn this thread into a slanging match - it's already off track. Since you indicate in your post below that you'll probably post my PM (which will hijack this thread somewhat), I'm not sending it to you. This thread is not the place for it.

P.S. Don't have a hissy fit and start flooding this thread. I can see you trying to bait me by putting words in my mouth, but it won't work.
 
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go ahead and send it, even though I'd prefer you post it. and heads up, don't send it if you don't want me to post it. me being an impersonator doesn't tell you jack about me other than the fact that I'm an impersonator.
 
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so me being an impersonator tells you a "few other things" about me that you don't want to post here?

You got something against people wearing fedora hats or something? LOL what the hell was that supposed to mean?

That was probably the dumbest comment I've seen in this thread right behind the comment about sony putting the wrong breaking news mix online.
 
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I saw your edit. I'm real curious as to these "other things" you know about me, based solely on the fact that I'm an impersonator. Plus I'm real curious as to what you think you know about me. I ain't gonna take it to heart and scream at you for five pages. go ahead and post it.

I'm also curious. Do you know anything personal and embarassing about Navi as well? What about Jason Jackson? do you got any dirt on Casa Nova? Go ahead and post it.

If somebody told me they were an impersonator you know what other things I would assume? I would assume they probably own loafers. They can probably dance. And they probably got a few costumes LOL Anything other than that and your making blind guesses.
 
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JacksonMan said:
I think your blowing it a little out of proportion. It's not like I made some remark about a member of your family that died or something. That's what I would call low. A comment about your fandom isn't something you should take so seriously or to heart. It's not like it's relevant to what kind of person you are, or your character or anything.
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hahaha....Don't worry, I won't lose sleep over the comment....It's low because you used it to try to boost your argument....Use facts, not assumptions, and you may get somewhere....
 
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Why the sudden impersonator crap talk? No one cares. Just to add, being an impersonator doesn't mean you know Michael's voice more than others.
 
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Arklove said:
hahaha....Don't worry, I won't lose sleep over the comment....It's low because you used it to try to boost your argument....Use facts, not assumptions, and you may get somewhere....
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okay I aplogize for the comment. It was intended for the sake of getting under your skin and I shouldn't have said it.

I do without a doubt believe that everybody who has participated in this debate for the last few pages has realized how identical Mj's vocals are in shout to how they sound in breaking news and monster, and they simply don't want to admit it. They are too much alike for people not to hear it, once it's pointed out.

Just like I will admit that when you click on the YT link in barok's sig, you can hear how much that note sounds simmilair in both Malachi's critical and the song Keep your head up. I will admit they sound very much alike, even though it doesn't help my argument.

When I give you guy's examples of MJ singing like this in the past, you don't show the same courtesy. You just pretend it sounds nothing like it, even though it is clear that Mj used the same singing style and the same computer tricks.
 
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Pentum said:
Why the sudden impersonator crap talk? No one cares. Just to add, being an impersonator doesn't mean you know Michael's voice more than others.
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He asked if I was a casual listener. If I'm an impersonator than I'm probably not just a casual listener. that's why I mentioned it. No it does not mean I know his voice more than others, well actually yeah it does. It doesn't mean I know his voice better than most of his die hard fans, it just means I'm going to know his voice better than the general public.

Just like most people who hear shout and 2000 watts don't think it's him. Well I know every song by him, so obviously I'm going to know it's him.

In case you are wondering, I can not immitate his voice. I only dance. I have no choice but to lyp synch.
 
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kopwatcher said:
ROFLcopter.

I have tears streaming down my face.
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an impersonator is going to know his voice better than the average person walking down the street. If you don't realize that, than you aren't going to realize anything. the average person walking down the street probably doesn't even know what his older voice sounds like around the time of Invincible.

Aren't you supposed to be off profiling people based on which musician they impersonate? You can really tell a lot about a person by which musician they impersonate you know. I hope you have a good job working for the FBI or writing scrips for Criminal Minds or something. Please don't waste your talents.
 
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